ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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vector7
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BREAKING: The Minister of Defense of Ukraine resigns!
The new Minister of Defense of Ukraine will be Alexander Vindman Do you remember him?
View: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1622699598925139968?s=20&t=O7j0AaFFIssu24Gz8VIyIg
2) in case you don't believe it...
View: https://youtu.be/FybdZFulJ5w
3) here you have another photo of Vindman (with another uniform): .
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View: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1622720007523237889?s=20&t=O7j0AaFFIssu24Gz8VIyIg
5) The REAL name of Alexander Vindman is: Aleksandr Semyonovich Vindman
He was born in the Communist Soviet Union.
His family was INFILTRATED in the US in 1979 by the USSR Communists.
View: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1622728003124969472?s=20&t=O7j0AaFFIssu24Gz8VIyIg
The new Minister of Defense of Ukraine will be Alexander Vindman Do you remember him?
View: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1622699598925139968?s=20&t=O7j0AaFFIssu24Gz8VIyIg
2) in case you don't believe it...
Vindman says Ukrainian officials offered him defense minister position
3) here you have another photo of Vindman (with another uniform): .
RT 5min
View: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1622720007523237889?s=20&t=O7j0AaFFIssu24Gz8VIyIg
5) The REAL name of Alexander Vindman is: Aleksandr Semyonovich Vindman
He was born in the Communist Soviet Union.
His family was INFILTRATED in the US in 1979 by the USSR Communists.
View: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1622728003124969472?s=20&t=O7j0AaFFIssu24Gz8VIyIg
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A dose of salts and reality for anyone thinking US/NATO is going to go in, kick ass and take names.
I think it would be hard to disagree that Ukraine and Russians are at this moment the most experienced troops in the world fighting a war with a modern army. Ukraine using western/Russian weapon capabilities and Russia with their own. Beside "trainers" and mercs, US/NATO troops have no experience with this type of fighting.
The following is what our troops will be facing. Not some insurgents fighting a lopsided war against us. Our boys and girls will be getting blown to bits with precision fire being directed by drone. They will be killed with every type of vision capability that we have ourselves.
They will be like these Ukraine troops below. This is war where mistakes are made all the time, by all sides, and people die as a result.
This is NOT our fight.
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View: https://twitter.com/bigrussianshop/status/1622666146137743375?cxt=HHwWnoC92eeQ74QtAAAA
I think it would be hard to disagree that Ukraine and Russians are at this moment the most experienced troops in the world fighting a war with a modern army. Ukraine using western/Russian weapon capabilities and Russia with their own. Beside "trainers" and mercs, US/NATO troops have no experience with this type of fighting.
The following is what our troops will be facing. Not some insurgents fighting a lopsided war against us. Our boys and girls will be getting blown to bits with precision fire being directed by drone. They will be killed with every type of vision capability that we have ourselves.
They will be like these Ukraine troops below. This is war where mistakes are made all the time, by all sides, and people die as a result.
This is NOT our fight.
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View: https://twitter.com/bigrussianshop/status/1622666146137743375?cxt=HHwWnoC92eeQ74QtAAAA
Well!!
Ukraine is getting smaller and smaller by the second
There's no such thing as a "coincidence" in this case.....
Good points - especially the twitter video - this is an entirely new way/method of attacking troops that the Russians have been using and enhancing over this last year. US troops in this conflict would not only not have the traditional advantage of 100% air cover and support but would have to face massive effective Russian artillery - something I am not sure they have trained for. With the Russian use of numerous small drones (each artillery unit has their own) to ID targets and adjust artillery fire. The drone provides the artillery teams real-time feedback on the impact of their rounds and allow for fast corrective adjustments. This is even more effective (and cheaper) than the US GPS guided artillery. GPS guidance is excellent for a fixed target (supply's, HQ. fixed AA batteries) but the Russian systems allow for the targeting of fast moving targets. With their massive artillery advantage and real-time targeting data this system almost makes the use of aircraft unnecessary.
And we have numbers - best estimates are that the US could field around 50k combat troops from Europe to Ukraine - this is while no one is quite sure how many combat troops Russia has - the numbers run up and down by 100's of thousands - from maybe 300k to 500k to maybe up to a million? - who knows - but against that many an additional 50k US troops (as good as they are and KNOWING how to operate their equipment) will make little differences.
The best outcome for the people of Ukraine and Russia is if the US / NATO keeps out of this final phase. The sooner - and it is happening - the Ukrainian army collapses and they are forced to settle this via negotiation the more lives saved.
But on the positive side our MIC has made 10's of Billions - and no one was hurt in the process.
jward
passin' thru
article posted on the tank thread that some may find interesting:
mwi.usma.edu
Tanking Up: Understanding the Materiel—and Moral—Implications of the New Armor Heading to Ukraine
Tanking Up: Understanding the Materiel—and Moral—Implications of the New Armor Heading to Ukraine - Modern War Institute
There is much to celebrate in the collective decision by Ukraine’s Western supporters to again upgrade security assistance to Kyiv with modern armor systems including the well-regarded German Leopard 2. […]
mwi.usma.edu
Actually the US has had UAVs attached to "fires" brigades for quite a while (ETA: and they've been re-re-named as field artillery brigades or Division Artilleries (DIVARTY)).....
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wait-n-see
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Actually the US has had UAVs attached to "fires" brigades for quite a while (ETA: and they've been re-re-named as field artillery brigades or Division Artilleries (DIVARTY)).....
All modern militaries have drone capability in their TOE.
The point Abert and I are making is that only Russia and Ukraine forces have actually done this in practice against an opposing force that can hit back using the same capabilities.
As for the US/NATO being able to do this..... how many tubes will they bring in? Not UK as they have none now. How long before the Russians over whelm the small amount we can get in theater? And how many do you think Russia will allow to get in the theatre at all? Where do we get the amount of shells to even try and fight for a bit against what Russia has sustained for so long now? Counter battery fire will be a nightmare for us.
And as for drones .... I've seen them being used at the squad level to direct machine gun fire and grenade/rocket attacks by that squad.
Our troops are not prepared to fight this war.
The Russians will not give them time to learn.
Artillery has always been the Queen of battle, and the biggest death dealer.
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Last week, I was reading about the newly-deployed Russian counterbattery system. It's an interesting application of some well-established oilfield technology which the oil patch undoubtedly picked up from some defense research somewhere (think Schlumberger, et al).
Instead of using radar systems for counterbattery detection and guidance - which are vulnerable just like any radar system when it's radiating - their new system is using acoustic technology to passively "listen" for launch signatures, flight paths, trajectories, etc. There's no technology signature which is giving away their presence but they apparently are proving to be quite deadly. I have noticed since then what seems to be an increasing knockdown ratio of HIMARS rockets, for instance, but that's a non-scientific observation with no hard data backing it up.
Someone like Minnesota Smith could undoubtedly explain the technology better than me, but just think of common downhole logs such as acoustic (sometimes called sonic logs but that's a bit misleading as there are sonic logs which bounce sound waves and record the reflections, such as cement bond logs or seismic projects).
bw
Fringe Ranger
Urban shot-spotter scaled up. Probably not enough money in it to spur investment by our side. No glory in managing the project. Pity.
wait-n-see
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Russia Bakhmut on Brink of Capture, Big Russian Kharkov Gains; Zelensky Loses Key Ally Reznikov
Runtime - 1:07:38
Feb 6, 2023
(Time line from comments)
TIME STAMPS
- Intro 00:00
- Bakhmut endgame 04:17
- Big Serge commentary on Bakhmut 11:30
- Northern region advances 14:50
- Stalingrad Putin Speech 20:15
- Prigozhin attention grabbing stunt 25:15
- Svatovo/Kremmenaia/Kupiansk 27:10
- Russian offensive speculation 33:18
- More political change in Kiev 40:50
- Possible interpretation of purges 45:10
- German Tanks 48:08
- Abrams Tanks 51:40
- Global Times - Chinese Balloon 54:21
- US transferring seized assets to Ukraine 01:03:20
Understand that if NATO, i.e. US and Polish forces (since everyone else are pretty much spent/cadre forces at this point) take the field, it will be a combined arms force, both air and ground with satellite recce support. The amount of potential fire that could be laid upon Russian forces is such that the moment that threat becomes flesh, the Russians will have to start resorting to nuclear weapons to have a chance at creating a version of a "frozen conflict" where they can either keep a stalemate like in Korea or negotiate a peace they can live with. That's a huge version of chicken that only works if they get lucky in reading the current cabal in DC. If any of those players, both in front of or behind the curtain, changes that results in the destruction of the Rodina in a manner that even the Mongols couldn't accomplish, never mind what happens to everyone else.
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It's called Penicillin, covered in this post: acoustic technology to passively "listen" for launch signatures
Quite effective and very capable as it does not create emissions which can be used to track it.
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We will just have to agree to disagree.
Russia is not as dumb as Iraq and would not allow a belligerent force to take more than 6 months to deploy forces next to them in order to attack.
Any ground attack by the current US/NATO force against Russia in Ukraine will fail.
The US/NATO would be the ones resorting to nuclear force as they could not sustain a combat force in Ukraine against Russia.
That's just it, those forces are now arrayed in Poland, both the US enhanced Forward Presence (eFP) Battle Group and the Polish armed forces are waiting for a go signal.
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Yep, those are the ones I'm talking about and even including anything US/NATO can scrounge up from the rest of Europe to join in the action.
Being in Poland is no good when the line of hostilities is located in east Ukraine. All that nice pre-positioned equipment is not driving to eastern Ukraine. It would all have to be taken by RR or highways, providing nice opportunities of taking out this equipment with missile strikes. The more important targets getting hyper-sonic attention. Bridges also a nice target if needed as well as any airports that could support US/NATO aircraft.
US/NATO have never faced a fully activated Russian air defense zone. I'm sure Russia has it's own capabilities as they planned for their way or war, not ours. That is why they have the ability to support massive artillery expenditure and massive missile attacks. They planned for it. We can't even support Ukraine with the artillery ammunition they need and have to go cap in hand begging other countries for help.
Russia has already won any conventional altercation. The only question is how much blood does US/NATO need to lose to find out as well, and not go nuclear instead out of desperation.
toxic avenger
Senior Member
And you can also bet the minute our forces are in direct confrontation with Russia in their own backyard our satellites will be neutralized in short order. We are almost totally reliant on satellite targeting, satellite navigation, and satellite communications.
The other read is that the PTB in the EU and US are fighting the Russians to the last Ukrainian so that they can make more money on the back end of this fiasco as well as now and gambling that it won't get "out of hand".
At that point, IMHO, the conflict is likelier than not to accelerate logarithmically way past a "limited war".....
bw
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Works great fighting goat herders and anyone wearing sandals.
bracketquant
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So as to leave no doubt.
jward
passin' thru
“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced that officials with military experience will be appointed in a number of border and frontline regions.” Officials with military experience will be appointed as heads of frontline regions – Zelenskyy via @pravda_eng
View: https://twitter.com/SoizaDavid/status/1622820114902159360?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/SoizaDavid/status/1622820114902159360?s=20
bw
Fringe Ranger
Sounds radical. Why now?
jward
passin' thru
Gonzalo Lira
@GonzaloLira1968
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When I first heard how long the training was for Western weaponry, I surmised that all the operators would have to be former NATO troops working under the fiction of being military contractors.
Here, an Austrian officer confirms exactly what I thought.
View: https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1622737256699113474?s=20
@GonzaloLira1968
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When I first heard how long the training was for Western weaponry, I surmised that all the operators would have to be former NATO troops working under the fiction of being military contractors.
Here, an Austrian officer confirms exactly what I thought.
View: https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1622737256699113474?s=20
jward
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EndGameWW3
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US warship operating in the Black Sea for the first time since the Russian invasion
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1622811977113341952?s=20
@EndGameWW3
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US warship operating in the Black Sea for the first time since the Russian invasion
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1622811977113341952?s=20
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Reality compared to fantasy.
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View: https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1622816184650563587?cxt=HHwWhoDQ3Zmus4UtAAAA
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Guess the shine is wearing off of Zippy?
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View: https://twitter.com/sosReports/status/1622745084360892416?cxt=HHwWgIC9pc-Dk4UtAAAA
Reality compared to fantasy.
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View: https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1622816184650563587?cxt=HHwWhoDQ3Zmus4UtAAAA
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Guess the shine is wearing off of Zippy?
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View: https://twitter.com/sosReports/status/1622745084360892416?cxt=HHwWgIC9pc-Dk4UtAAAA
bw
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It's called leading with your chin.
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Looks like the people at JPOST.COM need a map of Turkey, and better reading comprehension.
USS Nitze (DDG 94) visited the Gölcük Naval Base, which is not located in the Black Sea, but SE of Istanbul. The related release mentioned by JPOST.COM from "US Naval Forces Eurpoe and Africa / US Sixth Fleet" does not mention the destroyer entering the Black Sea either, or passing through the Bosphorus Strait.
The press release from the USNI News states:
U.S. Destroyer Operating Near the Black Sea for First Time Since Russia Invaded Ukraine
Heather Mongilio
February 3, 2023 12:42 PM • Updated: February 3, 2023 2:37 PM
USS Nitze (DDG-94) at anchor near the entrance to the Bosporus Strait on Feb. 3, 2023. Photo by Yörük Işık used with permission
USS Nitze (DDG-94) stopped on the edge of the Bosphorus Strait, on its way to make a port call in Turkey, USNI News understands. It’s the closest a U.S. warship has been to the Ukraine-Russia war since it started nearly a year ago.
Nitze was seen by ship spotters at the lower edge of the strait on Friday. Turkey closed the Bosphorus Strait to warships on Feb. 28, 2022, four days after Russia invaded Ukraine. Since the closure, only warships with ports on the Black Sea, which includes Russia’s Black Sea Fleet and Turkish ships, can enter.
The last American warship to transit the strait was USS Arleigh Burke (DDG-51), which left the Black Sea on Dec. 15, 2021. The ship entered the Black Sea in November 2021 following a port visit in Bulgaria, USNI News previously reported.
U.S. 6th Fleet confirmed in a tweet that Nitze anchored off Instabul’s coast ahead of a scheduled port call at Gölcük Naval Base.
Nitze, which is operating as part of the George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group, stopped near Istanbul near the Dolmbahçe Palace, U.S. 6th Fleet confirmed in a statement to USNI News. U.S. Ambassador to Turkey Jeff Flake and U.S. Consul General to Istanbul Julie Eadeh took a small boat over to the destroyer and spent a couple of hours on the ship.
“Türkiye is a highly valued NATO Ally,” Flake said in a 6th Fleet news release. “Nitze’s visit is an opportunity to further strengthen our long-standing and vital partnership with Türkiye.”
Nitze’s scheduled port call at Gölcük Naval Base is the third port call the destroyer has made in 6th Fleet’s area of operation since deploying in July 2022.
During the port call, Nitze leadership is expected to meet with Turkish military and civilian leaders, according to the release.
“Türkiye’s joint operations with the U.S. Navy in the Mediterranean Sea reinforce the power of the NATO Alliance and enhances interoperability. The Mediterranean is a critical waterway for maritime commerce and stability throughout Europe. The U.S. Navy routinely operates in this region in close coordination with our regional Allies and partners,” the release reads.
USS George H. W. Bush (CVN-77) also made a scheduled port call Friday, with the ship arriving at Piraeus, Greece, according to a release from the CSG.
During the port call, Bush leadership will meet with Greek leaders as part of U.S. efforts to strengthen NATO relationships. Sailors on the ship will have a chance to explore Piraeus and Athens.
“Our mission on deployment has been to work closely with our partners and NATO Allies in order to deter, and if necessary, defend the Alliance,” CSG commander Rear Adm. Dennis Velez said in the release. “Port visits like this one provide an opportunity for us to engage with our Allies and develop meaningful relationships that make a substantive difference across our force.”
The strike group’s cruiser, USS Leyte Gulf (CG-55), also made a port call in Greece on Jan. 30, 6th Fleet announced earlier this week. Leyte Gulf pulled in at Souda Bay, Greece.
“The port visit is part of Leyte Gulf’s planned mid-deployment voyage repair (MDVR) maintenance period and allows Leyte Gulf Sailors much-deserved leisure time while taking in the sights, art, history and food of Crete,” according to the release.
The George H.W. Bush CSG deployed to the Mediterranean Sea in August, replacing the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group, which had been operating there since December. Both carrier strike groups have gone under NATO control while operating in U.S. 6th Fleet’s area of responsibility.
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Good catch on that one. Something that dumb does seem like something our great leader would do though!
I checked the Black Sea report as I was amazed that the US was getting that stupid.
vector7
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NATO issues RED ALERT! What Putin and China are doing will change EVERYTHING!
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von Koehler
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jward
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glad u like..I hoped that putting big nuff boom-boom makers on er would entice sweet boy into warming up to the idea o' protectin' the barn babies.Nice meme and great link to browse!
..pretty sure by now both/either Afghanistan or Ukranian black markets are offering these w/ All American parts.. : (
jward
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now, for some emotional propaganda:
Euromaidan Press
@EuromaidanPress
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A photo from Bucha that won the main prize of the Czech Press Photo 2022
403 bodies of civilians killed by Russian troops were found in this Kyiv suburb after retreat, which is 1/5 of those remaining in city. 90% were killed by bullets, acc to mayor
Votech Dárvík Máca
Euromaidan Press
@EuromaidanPress
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A photo from Bucha that won the main prize of the Czech Press Photo 2022
403 bodies of civilians killed by Russian troops were found in this Kyiv suburb after retreat, which is 1/5 of those remaining in city. 90% were killed by bullets, acc to mayor
Votech Dárvík Máca
jward
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AFP News Agency
@AFP
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#UPDATE Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday that Moscow's forces were "progressing with success" near the eastern Ukrainian towns of Bakhmut and Vugledar, cautioning against Western arms supplies to Kyiv.
Smoke rises after shelling in Bakhmut
View: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1622910505919647746?s=20
@AFP
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#UPDATE Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday that Moscow's forces were "progressing with success" near the eastern Ukrainian towns of Bakhmut and Vugledar, cautioning against Western arms supplies to Kyiv.
Smoke rises after shelling in Bakhmut
View: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1622910505919647746?s=20