ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

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CaryC said:
IMHO you have to take "training" with a grain of salt.

It is probably possible to "train" someone to operate and fire a tank in a couple of days. And all you have is someone who can operate and fire a tank.

We have tons of people who drive cars, and have taken drivers ed in school, and it took a whole semester to do it, but don't know driving from a hole in the head, and see them every time I get out. They don't have a clue that cars can kill people.

I borrowed my uncle's backhoe one time, never been on one. Dug out several stumps, and a septic tank ditch for the septic line, with a 2 inch drop all along the line. Without any "training". But I couldn't get a job operating a backhoe.

Training people to operate and fire a tank is something that will get you killed. The crew of a tank needs to be honed in their operation of the tank and fired, in approaching another tank, within a group of tanks, and they all working together, inside and with others. And that takes time. Not training to operate and fire a tank, and be thrown in the front lines. All that will be is tank fodder.

I don't think there are any Russians who are quaking in their boots over Ukraine being trained to operate and fire a tank.
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60,000+ guys are in the EU and getting lots of training in before the Bradleys and the new tanks arrive and get prepped.
 
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Just "temporarily", right? He promises and crosses his heart, he does. ;)

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Quite amazing that some people still don't understand that the Russians are a 1st rate power and are very capable in the technology part of the war. People will call them orcs trying to cast them as stupid brutes, but the Russians are far from it. Note that the scope is new to the volunteers, not to the Russian Army.

BTW, the drone warfare was going in before 2020. One of the movies about the history of this conflict, on this thread called "Ghosts. Soldiers of a forgotten war ", showed the fear of Ukraine drones doing recon and dropping grenades, besides the continuous indiscriminate shelling of the break away provinces by Ukraine with the fighting going on since 2014.

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Just "temporarily", right? He promises and crosses his heart, he does. ;)

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Quite amazing that some people still don't understand that the Russians are a 1st rate power and are very capable in the technology part of the war. People will call them orcs trying to cast them as stupid brutes, but the Russians are far from it. Note that the scope is new to the volunteers, not to the Russian Army.

BTW, the drone warfare was going in before 2020. One of the movies about the history of this conflict, on this thread called "Ghosts. Soldiers of a forgotten war ", showed the fear of Ukraine drones doing recon and dropping grenades, besides the continuous indiscriminate shelling of the break away provinces by Ukraine with the fighting ongoing since 2014.

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Maybe after they "temporarily" transfer those territories they will remember they use to belong to Poland and will just keep them without a war. The way the eastern provinces use to belong to Russia. Why, they even married off the Princess of Kviv to a Polish Baron to form a military alliance.
 
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SITREP DAY 348

1.Change: Reznikov out, Budanov in as mindef. tactically on the backfoot
2. Russifying: to hold regional elex on 10SEP, incl in annexed oblasts
3. intel: Patriarch Kirill was a KGB agent in 70's Geneva
4. Mali: Lavrov+Wagner in, PKO rights rep out
 
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Russia’s latest cruise missile crashed in Ukraine​


By Dylan Malyasov​



A new, secret version of a Russian cruise missile was founded in the Ukrainian central Vinnytsia region after a new wave of Russian missile strikes pounded cities throughout the country.
According to the Defense Express, the Ukrainian Air Force has released footage showing relatively intact remains of a Russian Kh-101 cruise missile which was equipped with an electro-optical guidance system and decoy flare.
The Kh-101 is an advanced cruise missile under development to eventually replace the Kh-55 missile onboard the Soviet/Russian strategic bombers such as Tu-160 and Tu-95. The Kh-101 has a 400-kg conventional warhead, stealth features, high subsonic speed and low altitude flight profile. The conventionally-armed Kh-101 has also been referred to as the Russian counterpart to the United States Air Force AGM-129 air-launched cruise missile.
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The previously unknown version of a cruise missile is equipped with guidance systems scan to help determine a missile’s position. It is a digital system designed to guide missiles in real-time by using camera inputs to determine location.
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The guidance system can visually identify targets instead of simply attacking estimated coordinates. It reportedly performs a correlation between a stored image and a snapshot of the terrain beneath the missile to generate a position fix.
Another view of the Kh-101 missile shows a section with airborne countermeasures dispenser system that defeats infrared and radio frequency missiles. When the aircraft’s sensors detect a threat, the countermeasure dispenser system automatically launches radiofrequency and infrared countermeasures at the optimum time to defeat incoming missiles.
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Defense Express also stated that an X-ray of the dispenser system itself was made, which confirms that this is precisely the filling of this module.
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“At the same time, the logic of using such modules with heat traps (countermeasure system) remains unclear. Since in order to detect the launch of missiles with infrared homing heads, it is necessary to install a massive system with surveillance cameras. Without this system, shooting heat traps in automatic mode is impossible,” the report says.
The advanced self-protection kit of Russian cruise missiles is essential for airborne missions in today’s demanding and complex mission environments.

Massive missile strikes on Ukraine have still not achieved the goals declared by Moscow, and Russian engineers are trying to improve the effectiveness of their missiles and increase the chance of mission success during the subsequent shelling.

Dylan Malyasov
Defense journalist and commentator. Aviation photographer. Dylan leads Defence Blog's coverage of global military news, focusing on engineering and technology across the U.S. defense industry.
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Amazing what you can do with repurposed Ukrainian washing machine computer chips!
 
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Oreally said:
what the f is yours? some supposedly anonymous contact of notGenl MacGregor ?

my source is me. and i see lots of soldiers in my city. taking leave, seeing girlfriends. walking about normally, not distressed. in fairly big numbers. i do not see fantastic numbers of grieving people, or funerals at churches here . .

this simply could not be the case if these laughably fictitious numbers provided by this kgb asset were real.

distance of this asshole from Ukraine, 5000 miles.

distance of me from ukraine, 0 miles.
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Always first hand observation are the best - maybe you could take a fast trip south to the front - real time reporting from that area could likely clear up this issue! Observation in the local coffee shops and clubs - with draft exempt "college students" likely paints an entirely different view of reality vs what is happening at the line of conflict.

Will be waiting on that report. Thanks
 
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Oreally said:
my source is me. and i see lots of soldiers in my city. taking leave, seeing girlfriends. walking about normally, not distressed. in fairly big numbers. i do not see fantastic numbers of grieving people, or funerals at churches here . .
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UN chief Antonio Guterres warned nations Monday that he fears the likelihood of further escalation in the Russia-Ukraine conflict means the world is heading toward a "wider war."
 
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CaryC said:
IMHO you have to take "training" with a grain of salt.

It is probably possible to "train" someone to operate and fire a tank in a couple of days. And all you have is someone who can operate and fire a tank.

We have tons of people who drive cars, and have taken drivers ed in school, and it took a whole semester to do it, but don't know driving from a hole in the head, and see them every time I get out. They don't have a clue that cars can kill people.

I borrowed my uncle's backhoe one time, never been on one. Dug out several stumps, and a septic tank ditch for the septic line, with a 2 inch drop all along the line. Without any "training". But I couldn't get a job operating a backhoe.

Training people to operate and fire a tank is something that will get you killed. The crew of a tank needs to be honed in their operation of the tank and fired, in approaching another tank, within a group of tanks, and they all working together, inside and with others. And that takes time. Not training to operate and fire a tank, and be thrown in the front lines. All that will be is tank fodder.

I don't think there are any Russians who are quaking in their boots over Ukraine being trained to operate and fire a tank.
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It is probably possible to "train" someone to operate and fire a tank in a couple of days. And all you have is someone who can operate and fire a tank.
While not a tank I do have some experiences with Helicopters - while not exactly the same skill set - the training required is likely similar. First several weeks of classroom instruction followed by hands on - and YES it only took around 15 hours to be able to operate it at a basic level. But what followed was 9 months of additional training. Even after this you were still only qualified to fly 2nd seat - copilot for months to obtain real world experience - effectively a good year+ to even be considered operational competent - at a basic level!

Tanks and other modern weapon systems are just as complex and it takes months to develop the automatic reactions necessary to operate and survive - no time to pullout the operational manual - what do I do - if you don't automatically know - you die (likely taking other with you)


 
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More "patriotic" cannon fodder off to the meat grinder for Zippy and his glory and riches!

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Everyone volunteers, whether they can fight matters not as the meat grinder does not care.

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bakhmut status.

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Tom McDowell

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The Coming Russian Offensive 2023 Part 2​

The Countdown Begins​


Simplicius76
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i. Setting the Stage: Shaping the Battlefield​

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In Part 1 we covered the basics of Russia’s current force disposition in the SMO, which was that Russia’s current bayonet-strength ground force in Ukraine consists only of around 100-120k max manpower, contrary to bogus Western psyops (with LPR/DPR and various paramilitary/volunteer/PMC forces contributing an additional 50-70k). The remainder of newly mobilized forces are still training and awaiting the green light, in the rear and Belarus.

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Now, before we get to the actual strategies of the Phase 2.0 offensive likely to kick off in a matter of weeks or less, we must first prep the stage by summarizing what both sides are currently doing to ‘shape the battlefield’ to their advantage, in preparation.

If you’re not familiar with the term, ‘shaping the battlefield’ is a military concept of doing preparatory work which optimizes your strengths while minimizing your weaknesses, and vice versa to your opponent. It can include conducting certain focused offensive activities in such a way as to influence the opponent into reacting and taking certain postures favorable to you, putting them into positions that will be unfavorable to them once the real operations kick off. In a sense, it’s the foundational groundwork, a way of herding your enemy into positions that will be conducive towards their eventual defeat.

Russia has begun a series of new offensives along a broad stretch of fronts, with the intention of attriting a now depleted and stretched-thin AFU force which—after an injection of fresh Russian mobiks and rotated troops—finds itself for the first time in numerical parity in many/most sections of the front. Before, the AFU held a quantitative advantage by outnumbering Russian forces (for instance the Svatove-Kremennaya line), but Russia held a qualitative advantage (in the superiority of their artillery fires, ISR, troop morale/training/command, etc.), and so the two nullified each other. But now, Russia has achieved rough numerical parity and the qualitative overmatch has tipped the scales in their favor, resulting in their advancing everyday in places like Svatove and recently in Zaporozhe.

It’s been recently called ‘death by a thousand cuts’. These are incremental advances on every front meant to bring AFU lines to the breaking point. The AFU cannot successfully reinforce all the fronts simultaneously and finds itself desperately sending forces back and forth to urgently plug gaps. From Bakhmut to Svatove, then Zaporozhe to Bakhmut, then Svatove to Ugledar, etc. This has resulted in the abandonment of many AFU positions toward secondary lines, and additionally acts as a ‘recon-in-force’ for Russian units to develop an operational picture of the strengths/weaknesses of AFU’s lines in a given theatre to then enact the main strike plans of the coming offensive.


Conversely, the AFU has reportedly been instructed by high command to “exhaust” the Russian army in order to buy time until the much-needed last ‘hail mary throw’ from the West in the form of new arms shipments (namely Leopard tanks and GLSDB’s) can arrive in the Spring. The command consists of an order to bitterly fight Russia for every square foot of every advance to grind them down and exhaust them, dulling the point of the spear, so to speak, for the coming offensive. This is, in effect, AFU’s last-ditch attempt at ‘shaping the battlefield’ in their own way, in order to create conditions as favorable to them as possible for the next big phase.

In light of this, it’s apparent that the Russian side is succeeding because they have successfully broken through the first defense lines in a number of key areas and forced the AFU into a tailspin of desperate shuffling of units, alluded to earlier. They have put the Ukrainian forces ‘on the backfoot’, retreating to hastily prepared secondary lines, creating disarray and priming them for exploitation by vanguard forces of the next offensive phase.

Of course, Ukraine would claim they are in fact succeeding in their goal of ‘exhausting’ the Russian forces, forcing them to fight for every square-inch of these recent broad-front advances, and only time will tell which side will be proven right.

ii. Rasputitsa and Launch Date​

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Now let’s briefly examine what experts on both sides are saying in anticipation of the offensive’s start date.

Firstly, from my explanation in Part 1 you know that the Russian mobiks (mobilized troops) of the final (late October) mobilization period were set to finish their training in late January/early February, creating the first open window for their utilization in a grand offensive only after such time. As of this writing the window has finally opened, and the big question on the air is: when will Russia begin?

We know that starting from late March and into April, the ground thaws into the dreaded, notorious ‘rasputitsa’, the period of impossibly muddy roads (‘General Mud’) known to favor defenders, making offensive maneuvering extremely difficult or nigh impossible. One web source states that in 1942, rasputitsa started on 3/21, in 1943 on 3/18, in 1944 on 3/17. So right around the official beginning of Spring. The period lasts upwards of 3-4 weeks, and the going theory is that the chances of Russia striking well before or well after this period are strongest and most logical, as launching an offensive directly in the middle of this period is unfavorable. Although it must be said, there are certain areas more and less susceptible to this, like the infamous bogs north of Kiev. So depending on Russia’s attack vectors, it may bypass the worst of the areas.

There’s been an increased clamor around the date of February 22-24, most recently with Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov claiming it as the date for the new offensive.


Here, Alexei Danilov, Ukrainian National Security Secretary, also states that Russia will likely attack in the next 2-3 weeks, possibly on the exact Feb. 24 anniversary of last year’s attack.

It would seem that choosing late February would give Russia an uncomfortably short window before full-on rasputitsa. But Russia likely would not be counting on fully “winning” in the 4 week period from late Feb. to late March, but simply establishing enough of a foothold and crushing headway, which would be satisfactory enough. You’ll recall that Russia accomplished quite a lot in the same month-long period last year, conquering huge swaths of territory with a fraction of the manpower.

Sure, the AFU is positioned much more strongly today but Russia would also be bringing far greater force to bear. As long as they could make great strides, surround key regional capitals, like Kharkov for instance, they could be satisfied with then waiting out a period of rasputitsa. With that said, there are still some beliefs that Russia will hold off even longer, and launch the offensive later in Spring, but we’ll return to that later.

Logically speaking though, it does seem that anytime from now until late February would be the most favorable window, and thus holds the highest chance, and is my personal bet. Forecasts even predict a particularly strong chill falling soon, which will keep the ground much more consistently frozen.


And now, sources are indicating Russia is ready to pull the trigger within 10 days of this writing (2/6):


iii. Forces In The Shadows​

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We’ve already beaten force dispositions to death, but let’s briefly mention it once more for a last important point before the main course.

I mentioned in Part 1 that Russia likely has in excess of at least 220k+ men on the sidelines (in Belarus and elsewhere) ready to enter the fray. However there are many indications that the number could even be extraordinarily higher. Several sources with reputable claims of being ‘in the know’ have stated that Russia has mobilized roughly an additional 200k on TOP of the announced 300k. Colonel Macgregor is one of them, professing that Russia has conducted a “stealth mobilization” which actually never ended at the officially appointed time in late October. Now, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov has been ringing alarm bells with his own version:




Note above where he specifically says there’s a declared 300k mobilized, but Ukrainian security services are counting 500k on their borders.

The problem in accounting for this is, if a ‘stealth mobilization’ did occur, it would be under the auspices of a major and unprecedented maskirovka campaign meant precisely to misdirect us. In fact, keen-eyed Western intel sources have already noted that for the past month Russia has been playing deceptive games with troop distributions and movements.

One report stated that U.S. intel/spy-sat sources watched a Russian train full of thousands of infantry ride from the center of Belarus all the way to a border area of Ukraine. The troops then disembarked and walked around before getting back on the train and shipping out again. The intel sources believe Russia is carrying out many such activities and maneuvers with the intention of throwing off and confusing Western surveillance, masking real deployments, etc.

On top of which, Russia has been carrying out a set of ongoing, month-long joint exercises with Belarus which, too, are deliberately designed to conceal mass migrations of military equipment and likely, when needed, the actual initiation of major operations. Military exercises have classically been used by every major country in this way: as the form de rigeur of employing obfuscation in the lead up to mass operations or invasions. If you’ll recall, Russia did exactly that back in Feb. 2022, using joint exercises with Belarus to smoke-screen the launch of the SMO. It’s easy to conceal armor movements under the guise of exercises.

Thus, we know for a fact Russia is currently employing what is likely an unprecedented campaign of maskirovka aimed precisely in misleading us of its true force potential and attack vectors, which makes it impossible to truly know, apart from conjecture, whether such a ‘stealth mobilization’ really did occur and where exactly troops are being concentrated. While Reznikov’s statements could be untrustworthy, he has no obvious reason to lie in this regard—apart from perhaps inflating Russia’s threat to milk more Western aid, perhaps. So, we will simulate the offensive from the scope of both possibilities—a hypothetical ‘stealth mobilized’ force, or the more realistic officially declared one.

iv. D-Day or Bagration 2.0?​

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So, how will it go down? Will hundreds of Russian strategic bombers swoop in and carpet bomb everything in a massive shock and awe campaign, with endless columns of Russian tanks blitzkrieging through Kiev, etc?

Not quite.

There are 3 main distinct operational possibilities for the big Phase 2.0 offensive that we’ll cover individually:

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1. The Bold Crazy Ivan​

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The first is the most clamored after and ambitious: the “big arrow” push from Western Belarus into Volyn province to either capture, surround, or cut off Lvov, and thus isolate Ukraine from all Western aid coming in from Poland. There are several sub-variations, i.e. an ‘all out’ attack on Lvov from Belarus (with or without the help of the Belarus Armed Forces), or as part of a multi-pronged attack that also hits Kiev and elsewhere.

This option is by far the least likely, albeit most ‘spectacular’ and popular for arm-chair commandos and people not well-versed with war-time logistics and general strategy.

A. The primary reason this vector of attack is unlikely is logistical in nature. It splits the Russian forces into completely disconnected army groups at two ends of the country, upwards of 1200km away from each other. This puts a heavy strain not only on supply but also support logistics, forcing Russian aerospace support to split in a way where dual or multi-mission objectives would be impossible, and adding much longer, less efficient lead times on sorties that have to take off from much farther airfields, giving a big advantage to enemy forces, making calls for CAS less effective, etc.

It greatly and unnecessarily complicates the logistics, requiring massive parallelization of rear areas and command and supply infrastructure in the west of Belarus, which, critically, applies to airfields in particular, of which there aren’t as many (if any) suitable ones there. In general, it stretches supply lines from Russia proper by upwards of 500-700km and vastly stretches the coverage areas of AD systems, lessening the effectiveness of layered redundancy of systems in a more contained area. What I mean by this is, for instance, an S-300/400 placed equi-distantly between Kiev and Kharkov can cover BOTH fronts, allowing you to use half the units to do double duty (same goes for something like A-50 AWACs which might get dual coverage of mutually connected frontlines, but now would require separate disjointed systems to cover the West). But with 2 disparate frontlines at opposite ends of Europe’s largest country, you’d have to needlessly double up on AD and many other systems (EW, C2, Comms, etc, etc) on the western front for coverage of those forces. In short, it splits everything, rather than allowing a fluid, overlapping, interoperable theatre of operations where each element smoothly, directly and indirectly supports the other.

B. It needlessly and recklessly puts Russian forces in direct line of Western/NATO/U.S. recon, Sigint and ISR capabilities, which up to now have been limited or nullified entirely (with the exception of satellite surveillance). For those that don’t know, due to the basic science of ‘radar horizons’, NATO AWACS have a max range of ~400km, with maybe ~600km for large, high-flying targets like bombers. The AWACs that fly on the Polish border near Ukraine therefore can see about as far as Kiev, give or take—but not into Donbass and outlying regions, which are ~1,200km+ from the Polish border.

By opening an offensive on the western edge of Ukraine, Russia would be putting itself at an unneeded handicap in allowing NATO AWACs to dictate and shape the battlefield by closely monitoring and transmitting everything Russia does. All Russian air-assets—jets, cruise missiles, drones, et al, would be in full view of NATO radars and other systems(not to mention ground objects, armor, Russian radars/AD, etc., as well—as at that range, AWACs can use ‘look-down’ mode to even ID ground targets as well as radiation emissions of Russian AD radars, etc.), and Ukraine would have immediate access to this information, which would put Russian forces at exceptionally elevated risk. In short, the Russian forces would be completely “naked” in this region. Of course, at that proximity there would be increased opportunities for Russia’s powerful EW systems to jam and blind NATO’s assets as well, but it’s not a game worth playing when the AWACs are effectively unfairly shielded from any real reprisal as Russia can’t attack them in Polish airspace, as per the ‘unspoken rules’.

C. An attack along this axis is simply a wasteful and inefficient use of forces as the area is not even one Russia intends to occupy. A lot of fighting for what would ultimately result in the eventual withdrawal of Russian troops at the end of the war anyway. The region is highly inhospitable to Russians and would be particularly problematic from the standpoint of partisans, security, etc. It is far more likely here that partisan, guerilla, asymmetrical warfare—fueled by an endless flood of NATO mercenaries from right over the border next door—would asymmetrically grind down and wear away Russian forces with continuous raids, ambushes, traps, deceptions, etc. The civilians would transmit Russian positions 24/7, and it would generally be a pointless nightmare.

D. And lastly, such an excursion would cut Ukraine from Poland, but not from Moldova or Romania further south, which can become replacement hubs for AFU resupply anyway.

For reasons explained later, the other vectors of attack would accomplish the exact same objectives as Plan #1, but with more efficiency and less disadvantage and risk.

2. The ‘Macgregor Axis’​

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This is the favored axis of Colonel Douglas Macgregor, as espoused in several of his videos. And by the way, as brief sidenote, in order to contextualize his views—there are some people who understandably see Colonel Macgregor as just some random talking head, and don’t know that he was the de facto commander of the famous Battle of 73 Easting, which is considered the “6th largest tank battle in American history” and one, if not the, largest tank battles post-WW2 in the second half of the 20th century.

Macgregor has also been praised, as “one of the army’s leading thinkers on innovation” and for his near flawless combat and simulation record. As per wiki:

At a November 1993 exercise at the Army's National Training Center (NTC) at Fort Irwin, Lt. Col. Macgregor's unit vastly outperformed its peers against the "Opposition Force (OPFOR)". The series of five battles usually end in four losses and a draw for the visiting units; his unit won three, lost one, and drew one.[3] Macgregor's unit dispersed widely, took unconventional risks, and anticipated enemy movements.[3]
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The point being, that what he says, the tactics he employs, recommends, or favors, should be noted, carefully considered and respected. Sure, I understand from the resistance sphere’s perspective, he’s an “American general” whose silly little ‘Iraqi tank battle’ wouldn’t hold a candle to Soviet valor of WW2, but insofar as American military experts go, he’s top of the field.

So—Macgregor favors the medium line. The strike down from Belarus towards Vinnytsia and Moldova, by way of Zhytomir:


This would in effect achieve the same result as the Lvov option, but:

A. Would be much nearer to the other eastern frontlines for better connectivity and reciprocity of forces and important logistical (and other) systems.

B. Would seal Ukraine off right at the pivot point of Transnistria/Pridnestrovia, allowing Russian forces to connect a land-bridge to their Pridnestrovian garrison, which has been increasingly threatened with provocations by western intel agencies operating in Moldova.

Quick note: you could technically accomplish this with the Lvov option too, BUT, it’s far more inefficient and improbable, as you would have to not only drive an impossibly long salient from Belarus down to Lvov region, but then hook eastward and drive it hundreds of kilometers towards Transnistria. This would create a thin salient stretching in the high hundreds of kilometers, whose supply lines would be completely untenable and unrealistic. This option is a much more direct route.

C. It allows Russian forces to be within striking distance of Odessa, opening the possibility of later capturing it. Odessa is one of the key, most important strategic objectives of the war for reasons explained soon.

Those are the pros. The cons are that, as mentioned with the Lvov idea, the supply lines would be stretched into an extremely susceptible salient over 400km long, which would be exposed to attacks from both east and west, highly vulnerable, AND would not allow air cover or CAS to operate as there’d be no way for Russian air assets (planes, attack choppers, and drones are much more critical than people think) to incur hundreds of kilometers deep into Ukrainian territory without getting shot down. Also, this area too would likely still be in range of NATO AWACs and other assets operating in Poland (and recently in Romania), putting all Russian forces and movements under increased risk.

But let’s take a quick detour to explain the significance of salients and how they work to better understand why some of these attack vectors are impractical. For those that don’t know, in military doctrine, particularly in the Soviet doctrines and warfare field manuals, there are preset guidelines for a variety of things, from the density of frontlines (how many fieldguns, infantry, etc., is ideal per square-kilometer of frontline, and things of that nature), to the minimum salient width necessary to secure your lines, FOBs, etc.

The way it generally works is, most artillery has a range of roughly 20-30km. So, if your salient is, let’s say, 40km wide, that means you can be out of reach of artillery from the east if your main HQ, FOB, C2/C3 area, MSR, etc., goes 35km from the eastern border of the salient. But then they would be a mere 5km from the western edge of the salient, putting them squarely in reach of artillery there.


So the solution is, your salient has to be a certain width, such that the center of it can be safe from most artillery so your command structures, supply dumps, etc., will be relatively protected. Of course, with the modern advent of guided HIMARs and such, with much longer ranges, this becomes a bit more moot. But those are still relatively low in number compared to the main artillery threat numbering in the hundreds/thousands. This means the salient must be, let’s say, 80km wide, so a padded ‘safe space’ exists in the center where artillery on both left and right flanks cannot reach. Now if you want to protect against HIMARS (90km range) your salient needs to be in excess of ~200km wide:


The problem is, an 80km or 200km salient drastically balloons the number of forces you need in order to clear and maintain/occupy such a vast stretch of land, particularly if it’s meant to stretch to such distances as from Belarus down to Transnistria (450km) or to Odessa (650km). Remember, the further you advance, the more forces must be left behind to occupy and defend each area you’ve conquered—so the longer your salient, the less troops you inevitably have to keep advancing forward. As can be seen in the above graphic, a 200km bridge would be enormous: 200km x 650km (distance to Odessa) is 130,000 square kilometers. That’s a massive amount of land equivalent to the size of England (130km2 exactly). Likely, such a stretch of land would take far more forces to occupy than what Russia would comfortably have to commit to such an offensive.

Can it be done? Sure, if the ‘stealth mobilization’ rumors prove true, and Russia has raised in excess of 500k+ total mobilized, on top of the 150-170k total current Allied troops fighting in theatre, then maybe it’s possible. 500,000 troops could theoretically take such a corridor, particularly given that Ukrainian resistance here would be stretched and vastly inferior in number and quality. But given the fact that I’m skeptical towards the ‘stealth mobilization’ narrative, I prefer to operate from the more realistic 220-260k figure, and that’s likely not quite enough to comfortably conquer a swath of territory the size of England.

3. The Golden Cauldron​

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This final vector is not only the most realistic, most probable, but also my personal choice as the most likely to be chosen.

This vector is the more traditional, safe route of Russian forces pushing up from Zaporozhe to cut Donbass from the south. Russian forces pushing down from Belgorod region into Kharkov, possibly from Kursk into Sumy and Bryansk into Chernihov.

The main aims here would be:

A. Retake everything that was lost in the AFU’s September AFU Kharkov counter-offensive. Then surround/siege/possibly capture Kharkov, but more notably, push deeper south toward Poltava and cut Donbass off from the north.

This includes retaking all of LPR, i.e. the areas east of the Oskil River, from the Svatove-Kremennaya line to Kupyansk, then down to Lyman and onward.

B. The southern push would likewise cut off the Donbass grouping from Zaporozhe and up toward Pavlograd and Dnipro. This would allow for the final, long awaited ‘Grand Cauldron’ to be closed over Donbass, trapping the entirety of the AFU grouping as the southern forces would aim to connect to the northern ones pushing through Poltava.

This has always been the aim of course, but Russia never had enough manpower to achieve it. They got as far south as Barvinkove, south of Izyum, but could never break through the main 1st echelon lines of AFU in the southern Donetsk corridor around Orikhov-Hulaipole.

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So, why is this the most probable? There have been many clues, not least of which from Russian command and Putin himself:

1. Firstly and most significantly, the Russian Federation has signed the new territories of Donetsk and Lugansk into its constitution. This means they are legally bound by the highest force of law and obligation to recapture and secure these areas. They are of paramount priority. The same goes for Zaporozhe, which has been partially ratified and annexed, and of course Kherson too, though this is an exception because, while Russia controls 70-80% of Kherson Oblast, they don’t control the city, but there’s no comfortable way to get it yet, without wasting disproportionate effort in crossing the Dnieper River.

You might argue that Russia will still win these territories in due time, even if they choose the other method like the Lvov route. That’s true, but I’m emphasizing here the obligatory urgency that is inherent in the fact that these are now actual constitutional Russian lands. How would it look if Russia ignored its own lands being occupied, while it went on a year long (or more) adventure in west Ukraine, an area it doesn’t intend to ever occupy or annex? For the duration of that time actual, legal Russian citizens would be suffering under brutal Nazi occupation forces. This is a major problem and why I believe Russia will prioritize the liberation of these lands first rather than last as in the Lvov option.

You could also argue that with enough men Russia could do all three options at once, or perhaps two of them—for instance a push to cut off Lvov and the Donbass cauldron. But then, ask yourself, what would be the point of pushing Lvov if the Donbass cauldron alone would achieve the exact same objective of completely cutting off Western arms shipments to the main AFU grouping in Donbass?

Not only is there not enough manpower for both, but as stated above, the third option can achieve the same result and in an arguably better and more streamlined way if you pour all the forces there, rather than needlessly dissipating them all over the largest country in Europe, creating logistical nightmares in the process.

2. Putin himself has given us the biggest clue in an overlooked recent statement:


He said that it’s a ‘priority task’ for the Ministry of Defense to eliminate shelling of Russian border regions, namely Belgorod, Bryansk, etc., but this can be extrapolated to also include—in accordance with past statements—the increased focus on eliminating the terror threat to Donetsk, which too is now a constitutionally official Russian city.

One can clearly see then how the top priority of the forthcoming Russian offensive could and will likely revolve around finally freeing these de jure Russian regions from the terrorist threats that have monumentally escalated in recent months, particularly the barbaric shelling of Donetsk city which has of late become a nightly occurrence.

Recently more and more civilians have been displaced in the Belgorod and Bryansk regions of Russia as Ukraine increased shelling which has killed people and often destroyed power infrastructure, causing widespread outages in those rural regions. It’s Russia’s top priority to protect these people and regions. If Russia throws the bulk of its force somewhere west, to adventure through Lvov and Vinnytsia Oblasts, it would be viewed as a betrayal by the Russian people not only of those regions, but of Donetsk and elsewhere who have been suffering FAR too long to be asked to wait another year while the Russian army traipses around on the Polish border 1200km away. These people deserve to be liberated here and now. And I believe Putin and his staff see it this way as well, and will commit their primary forces to the task of solving this problem directly once and for all.

3. We’ve already mentioned how having a unified and uniform regional set of fronts would create far more effective redundancy and networking of overlapping systems, everything from radars and airforce, to Comms and C2/C3, and supply/logistics MSR’s, etc. In effect, it’s a far more streamlined approach.

4. This route is clearly the most efficient in terms of supply/logistics, as the main MSR’s would be coming directly from Russia in the shortest and most direct possible routes: in the south corridor, directly from Crimea and Rostov, and in the north directly from Belgorod. The Lvov and Vinnytsia option requires vastly stretched supply lines that first go from Russia to Belarus, then down into Ukraine.

How about the cons of this route? The biggest disadvantage is this route privileges Donbass and ignores Odessa. Odessa is arguably the single most critical objective in this entire war. For those that don’t know, the UK has long been eyeing Odessa as a future NATO base which would aim to neutralize Russia in the Black Sea. In fact the U.S. and UK both have already invested billions in building up naval infrastructure in that area, one Russia destroyed in the opening of the SMO. Here’s a good article on their plans: The US and UK Have Started Building NATO Naval Bases in Ukraine

British Special Forces were confirmed long ago to be operating in Odessa, particularly in training AFU in the usage of Harpoon, Neptune, and British anti-ship versions of the Brimstone missile.

Beyond that, Odessa is critical for national security for two big reasons:

1. Taking it would completely landlock Ukraine, disallowing any future naval/maritime involvement and provocations with NATO. Though this is under the assumption that neighboring Nikolayev is also subsequently taken.

2. It would connect an all important Russian landbridge to Russia’s own Transnistrian garrison. There have many provocations there, and Moldova has recently been tapped by Lavrov and many experts as the ‘next’ Ukraine. It’s become clear that after the Ukrainian SMO is finished, Moldova (as well as some of the Baltic states) will be chosen by the scriptwriters in NATO as the next epicenter of confrontation. These small states are quite susceptible to being coerced and puppeteered, as their feckless leaders (Maia Sandu in Moldova being a particular example) are easy to bribe, blackmail, and threaten into provoking Russia.

If you recall earlier in the war, Ukrainian authorities were virtually begging Moldova to invade Transnistria and push the Russian garrison out. Presidential advisor Podolyak also echoed these sentiments. During the siege of Mariupol and Azovstal, they even suggested to jointly invade Transnistria with Moldova in order to capture the Russian garrison, as it numbered in the similar ~2000-3000 range as the Azovstal POW’s, so that they could then use these Russian troops to exchange for their own Azovstal POW’s.

At the time, Russia clandestinely beefed up its garrison as well as it could:


But the threat of a major provocation remains from the Moldova direction. Thus it’s absolutely critical for Russia to control that corridor as soon as possible and connect their forces to Transnistria to allow resupply of the garrison. Macgregor’s Option 2 would be quickest in getting there. Option 3 would likely leave this sensitive region for last, which is the main detriment and risk of this option. However, it is likely a risk outweighed by the rewards of capturing the entirety of the Donbass and destroying the AFU’s main force.

v. Stealth Offensives and Ghost Brigades​

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There’s one other possibility which would apply to Option 3. That is, the slow-rolled or ‘stealth offensive’.

When most people imagine the coming Phase 2.0 operation they understandably think of D-Day or another February 24, 2022 style heavily announced, obvious mass incursion. But recently there’s been a gradual uptick of Russian pushes on every front that some believe may in fact already herald the beginnings of Phase 2.0 proper. This AFU soldier believes it has already kicked off.

There are advantages to starting off the new offensive with a subtle, gradual creep in this way. The biggest being it reduces the risk of centralization, where overtly declared forces of massed troops march in very visible, trackable, predictable deployments akin to the infamous ‘40 mile convoy’ of yesteryear outside of Kiev. The NATO overseers who control the AFU are now unprecedentedly plugged in and synchronized with Ukrainian command, committing unseen levels of surveillance infrastructure, the vast bulk of NATO’s signal/intel gathering capabilities, to analyzing and transmitting every visible inch of the Russian army’s movements.

To launch a more stealthy, ‘undeclared’ offensive, one along every possible axis, utilizing ghost brigades of smaller forces that wear down the AFU with the ‘thousand cuts’ method, could be a strong way to mitigate NATO’s spysat and SIGINT advantages. That’s to say we may not even see one obvious “grand rush” like Feb. 24, 2022, hundreds of helicopters blacking out the skies, 40 mile convoys and huge fleets of paratrooper landings, etc. We may very well already be in the offensive, conducted in a far more clandestine fashion, hewing to the strictures of maskirovka and misdirection. After all, Russia is currently advancing nearly on every front, so why should they do a mad berserker thunder-run like last time?

With that said, there likely will still be main thrusts that come from the north and south as per Option 3, but this is simply something to think about.

vi. Those Damnable Bridges​

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One of the final and most important topics is the notorious Dnieper River bridges. Will they finally come down? Does Russia even have the ability to bring them down?

First thing to know is there are a lot more of them, and they’re a lot tougher and stronger than people think. Remember how Ukraine pulverized the Antonovsky bridge for months with hundreds of HIMARs strikes only to create little pot holes, never able to bring even a single concrete pylon down? It’s oft been said how Ukraine’s bridges were of Soviet design, created specifically to withstand everything short of tactical nukes in anticipation of a war against the U.S./NATO.

Many people think the Dnieper has 3-5 bridges, as charts have circulated showing just a handful of the main ones. But in fact there are somewhere in the neighborhood of ~30+ bridges across the full length of the river, many of them even more hardened and larger, thicker, broader than the Antonovsky (particularly those inside the cities like Zaporozhe, Dnipro, Kremenchug, etc). Some of these bridges would take many cruise/ballistic missiles to take down thoroughly.

Here’s one from Dnipro. It has 6 lanes, the Antonovsky had only 4 and withstood hundreds of America’s best Wunderwaffen missiles without budging.


For comparison: this tiny little spindle bridge in Serbia was bombed by several NATO F-16’s, dropping half a dozen of their most powerful laser-guided bombs. It took several sorties, i.e. multiple bombing runs to destroy a bridge 1/6th the size of the above Dnipro bridge. Imagine how many bombs/cruise missiles it would take in retrospect to really put that thing out of action.

It could take hundreds of cruise missiles to bring down every bridge across the Dnieper. Low estimate 200 if you average 6 missiles per bridge to truly bring down a section and not just ‘damage the roadway/asphalt’, which could be quickly repaired. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the total required number is even much higher.

It would take an unprecedented, historical missile shock & awe campaign to take down every bridge across the Dnieper. Some question if Russia even has that many missiles to spare. They’ve been doing strikes with 60-100 missiles (Kalibrs, Kh-101’s, etc.) every couple weeks or so, but the time between strikes has recently grown, adding to the suspicions of either dwindling stocks, or perhaps the need to save up for the coming offensive (perhaps saving for these very bridges).

In late January, though, this hit the newswire:

“MI6 sent information to the President's Office and the General Staff that the Kremlin is again discussing the format with the destruction of the bridges across the Dnieper. Russia is moving towards a new phase of the war, which involves the complete destruction of Ukraine's critical infrastructure.”
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So this very well could be on the agenda. The only question is when. Does the destruction of the bridges make more sense before or after the initiation of the cauldron?

Those in favor of the ‘before’ option believe it’s best to destroy the bridges asap, preventing all the new-fangled Western arms (Leopards, etc.) from reaching the AFU. However, the other tactic could be to wait until the Donbass cauldron is near to closing, so that you allow the AFU to first pour in the remainder of its reserves from the west of the country. Then once they’ve gone all in and put “their eggs in one basket” by flooding the Donbass with every last Ukrainian, and the cauldron is nearly closed, you would blow the bridges and trap the entire AFU inside the eastern part of the country just as they begin their mass retreat and achieve the biggest capture/surrender of enemy forces in modern, post-WW2 history.

Personally I have a feeling Russia may employ the 2nd option, if at all. However, the likelihood that they won’t blow the bridges at all is still very strong. The main reason would be that it would prohibit Russia’s own forces from ever using those bridges to cross the rivers, and seizing the full cities of Dnipro, Zaporozhe, etc., which lie 50/50 on both sides of the river. But should Russian forces ever get that far, the AFU would likely blow the bridges themselves anyway. So if their destruction is a fait accompli either way, then one would think it in Russia’s interests to blow them early to prevent resupply or to trap the AFU in the Donbass as outlined above.

Another consideration has been reports that Russia in fact needs those bridges operational for economic reasons, partly touched on in my previous piece. Namely that the West is highly reliant on both Russian and Chinese shipments of precious and rare earth metals which are largely transported to the West by way of railroads through Ukraine.

Reports last month claimed that NATO controllers have pressured the other countries which connect to Russia by rail in sanctioning and banning the transport/export of these specific goods via their railways, forcing Russia into using Ukraine as the only viable transport network. If you think about it, it’s quite a clever tactic in leaving Russia with no choice but to keep Ukrainian bridges (over which the railways run) functioning, thus underhandedly retaining the AFU’s ability to supply itself from the west.

If these reports are true then there’s good chance Russia will never fully destroy the bridges in order to keep its lucrative export business of those natural resources going at a time when economic interests are a priority. One can argue that this is trading lives for economic interests—and have a strong point—but that discussion’s beyond the scope of this report.

When it comes to the bridges, the final verdict for me remains very uncertain and will depend on many factors, whether it’s feasible and conducive to take them down.

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vii. Zelensky’s Fodder​

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A brief note on the AFU’s reserves. We’ve more than covered the numbers in regard to Russia but haven’t really mentioned what, if anything, the AFU will have to counteract this coming offensive.

No one knows for certain, but we suspect the AFU has somewhere around 170-200k in theatre now. The big question is how many did they manage to forcibly gang-press and mobilize on top of that? There was a report months ago that said around 70k additional troops were guarding the northern Ukrainian border from the Polish/Belarus border all the way to Kiev and Kharkov regions. If accurate, this provides one piece of the puzzle.

Additionally there are people being mobilized constantly and trained not only in the west of the country but in various NATO states like UK, U.S., Germany. Not to mention the thousands of mercenaries still pouring into the AFU’s ranks. Zelensky himself claimed the AFU was 700k+ strong. In one video Colonel Macgregor said that Zelensky’s claims for 700k likely include all sorts of non-military personnel (at least not meant for ‘combat potential’) like law enforcement forces, national guard, MP’s (Military Police), etc. In terms of actual combat ready forces there’s no way they have anywhere approaching that.


My personal analysis is that on top of the 170-200k, the AFU can scrounge maybe an additional 150k at the most, in terms of forces already serving as reserves in the rear, the aforementioned border garrisons, and newly press-ganged conscripts. Keep in mind, though this sounds puny to some of the numbers we’ve thrown around for Russia, the fact of the matter is, if Russia uses the low-end range of our estimates, which is around ~240-260k mobiks still left in the wings, then the 150k AFU reserves (maybe even 200k+, if we’re generous for argument’s sake) could achieve some very basic form of parity. So that’s to say that there’s no guarantee of Russia’s offensive being an instantaneous rout which immediately tramples the AFU and blitzes through the country. They’ll advance, but there may still be enough AFU reserves to give them pitched battles, particularly because the defender is classically allowed fewer troops, given that the defender enjoys numerous tactical advantages in any assault. So, because they’ll be dug in hard, they could still provide for hard-fought, bitter advances—and that’s what I could see happening.

Of course, if rumors of the ‘massive stealth mobilization’ of 500k prove true, then I could see no other outcome than the devastating overrun of Ukrainian lines, provided that Russia chooses to use those forces in such a blunt-force way, rather than playing ‘slow-roll’ maskirovka games all over the frontlines and the ‘death by a thousand cuts’ tactic.

viii. Kiev​

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Lastly, even if Russia adopts Option #3, might it still strike toward Kiev, as many sources still continue to expect?

Not only has Ukraine been building large fortifications north of Kiev in anticipation of a new offensive:


But the bulk of Russia’s newly mobilized are said to be in Belarus, positioned directly north of Kiev. To launch an offensive from the north on the Kharkov and LPR regions, the troops would have to come from the Belgorod region of Russia proper. So either they will be moved at the last moment, or—if reports of the Belarus mobiks are true—they plan to hit the Kiev area as well.

What would be the purpose? Another ‘fixing’ operation to lure Ukrainian forces toward the capital and keep them separated, busy, uncoordinated, etc., from the eastern front, could be in the cards. Also, such a move could be part of a general broad clearing operation to secure all of Russia’s border with Ukraine and push back the AFU far enough to stop their shelling of Russian regions.

You’ll recall earlier we named this as a top priority of Putin’s, and there are many indications that a broad push will once again come into the Sumy and Chernihov regions as well. The northern group may push the AFU back to a minimum of 100km from Russia’s border to prevent any artillery or HIMARs from reaching Russian territories any longer. Around Kiev, the border of Belarus begins so they don’t need to come past that as the AFU doesn’t strike Belarus.


Thus, one likely scenario which I favor is the northern group pushing back the AFU as shown above, with a central salient from the group pushing further outward to siege/seize Poltava, and then proceeding toward Dnipro to link up with the southern grouping (which will come along Zaporozhe toward Dnipro) to form the Great Donbass Cauldron.

Sure, the AFU is set to get the GLSDB (Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb) HIMARs extension with a range of 150km but these will be arguably much easier for Russian AD to shoot down (they’re subsonic compared to HIMARs M31 missiles Mach 2+ speed). But of course Russia could just push the contact line to 150km rather than 100km if need be to negate their ability to strike Russian territory. Not to mention there’s still talk that U.S. in fact is secretly prohibiting Ukraine from striking actual Russian territory (Crimea being an exception as U.S. does not consider that as legally Russian) with these GLSDB in exchange for certain concessions (like allowing railways/bridges which supply U.S. MIC with most of its rare earth metals to continue to function). Another likely reason being that Russia might’ve made closed-door threats to the U.S. that should long range systems be used to attack Russian proper, then there’ll be no choice but to ‘escalate’, like striking the delivery points in Poland. Poland, or other uncomfortable things Russia’s been holding off on like taking out U.S. satellites.

ix. Final Thoughts​

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The West is clearly in a panic. Word recently got out that Blinken scrambled over to Ukraine with a last ditch offer of giving 20% of Ukraine (everything Russia has currently occupied) to Russia, meant to halt the invasion at the eleventh hour. They know what’s coming, and that they’re about to lose everything they’ve worked so long for. From the long years of the CIA’s Project Aerodynamic , to the billions poured in by Soros to the admitted $5 billion spent by Nuland prior to 2014, and now the over $100b committed by the West, all to topple Russia—the fruits of those century-long labors will finally rot away, along with the last desperate hopes of the dying Atlanticist empire to retain any small vestige of relevance in the world.

Despite the seemingly overwhelming buildup of Russian forces, there are still major threats of NATO/U.S. provocations escalating the conflict to new heights in order to save Ukraine at the final hour.

As can be seen here and here, over 4,700 of the U.S. elite 101st Airborne fast response units have been stationed in Romania right on the Ukrainian border. The Romanian president invited another 1,000 man Stryker cavalry battalion, presumably the famous 2nd Cavalry Dragoons in as well.

Listen to this video at the 0:50 mark: CBS Report About American 101st Airborne "Elite" Forces On Border Of Ukraine Staging Provocations

The U.S. 101st commander is asked about the Russian forces, and responds that not only are the Americans closely watching them from right over the Romanian border, but they’re already practicing specific objectives and exercises aimed at engaging Russian forces. The host then even says they’re ready to “cross the border” and enter Ukraine if need be. The fact that they’re situated only about 250km or less from Odessa (a few hours’ drive) is key.

I believe they are preparing to seize Odessa under some falseflag or provocation (likely something to do with WMD’s, or “Russian tactical nuke” against Ukraine). When all else fails, and the Ukrainian army is completely devastated in the upcoming offensives, these U.S. fast response forces will be ready to thunder-run into neighboring Odessa in a mirror image of Russia’s famed Pristina airport grab during the ‘Kosovo War’, in order to seize the all-important jewel that is the last remaining grasp for NATO in the Black Sea. Hopefully, of course, Russia is able to prevent this.

There are other topics I wanted to cover here, but unfortunately it’s already grown too long and we might have to do a Part 3. But for now, this should provide a good basic rubric for the nuances of the coming battle.

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raven said:
Throw in Transnistria and Odessa and you got a deal . . . LOL
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You may have read my previous post where I suggested that's exactly what Russia's long(er) term goal is. They may take Kharkov - which is a primarily Russian city - but I think any move on Kiev would probably be a feint, as they prepared to steamroll Odessa.

Putin is primarily interested in protecting ethnic Russians and Transnistria, a small strip of land that few people have even heard of, is filled with ethnic Russians. That's almost certainly why it's been allowed to retain its autonomy for so long; surrounding nations didn't want to stir up the Russian bear.

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Doc1 said:
You may have read my previous post where I suggested that's exactly what Russia's long(er) term goal is. They may take Kharkov - which is a primarily Russian city - but I think any move on Kiev would probably be a feint, as they prepared to steamroll Odessa.

Putin is primarily interested in protecting ethnic Russians and Transnistria, a small strip of land that few people have even heard of, is filled with ethnic Russians. That's almost certainly why it's been allowed to retain its autonomy for so long; surrounding nations didn't want to stir up the Russian bear.

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Well, I was kidding of course Mostly because Russia has already legally claimed those five southern Oblast as part of Russia - and a fine ceremony it was - he isn't going to give them up.
And Biden isn't going to give up Odessa or Transnistria.

When you compare population and GDP of the NATO countries to Russia (regardless of tech), Russia does not stand a chance conquering the EU. Add the technical advantage and it is simply not possible.

So what is possible short of canned sunshine?

I think Putin seems most interested in securing supreme authority and dominion over those five Oblasts - securing sovereignty over them. And forcing Ukraine into a non-militarized buffer.

Transnistria is a bridge too far because it is actual NATO. Odessa is probably too far because it puts Russia on the direct border with NATO. While he would like to have it, I think he prefers the buffer. And there is the matter of shipping Ukrainian grain.

But in war, there are always unexpected opportunities and luck goes to the prepared.

BTW, last year, there was a peace agreement where Russia got away with Crimea and Donbas.
This year, Putin is offered Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia.
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With all of the money the US has sent over there I think we should be entitled to a portion as well.
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We already own all the receiving countries and receive management commission over their acquisitions.
Why manage the zoo when you can sit back and collect commissions.
 
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Always first hand observation are the best - maybe you could take a fast trip south to the front - real time reporting from that area could likely clear up this issue! Observation in the local coffee shops and clubs - with draft exempt "college students" likely paints an entirely different view of reality vs what is happening at the line of conflict.

Will be waiting on that report. Thanks
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i am waiting for your help to take notes. flight to warsaw are around 700 rt as of today from nyc.
 
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It is probably possible to "train" someone to operate and fire a tank in a couple of days. And all you have is someone who can operate and fire a tank.
While not a tank I do have some experiences with Helicopters - while not exactly the same skill set - the training required is likely similar. First several weeks of classroom instruction followed by hands on - and YES it only took around 15 hours to be able to operate it at a basic level. But what followed was 9 months of additional training. Even after this you were still only qualified to fly 2nd seat - copilot for months to obtain real world experience - effectively a good year+ to even be considered operational competent - at a basic level!

Tanks and other modern weapon systems are just as complex and it takes months to develop the automatic reactions necessary to operate and survive - no time to pullout the operational manual - what do I do - if you don't automatically know - you die (likely taking other with you)


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Dude Whaaaaat? The foot pedals are to run the tail rotor, which swings the tail left or right. The middle stick, changes the pitch of the rotors, so you go left or right or up or down. and the side stick is the gas pedal. Shoot man I'm ready to go. And if it has a trigger on the middle stick I can shoot missiles. Ye-haw. I can operate a helo.

LOL Just poking, but essentially, and technically that could be called "training" but put me in a helo, and we'll probably be dead right quick like.

You should have seen me on that backhoe. I walked that thing all over the yard, BUT I'm sure no one would hire me as a backhoe operator.

And as for tanks I had on my mind the T handle and brake and gas pedals. Probably had Shermans on my mind LOL.

And those Ukrainians who are getting "training" will soon be gone.
 
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The U.S. 101st commander is asked about the Russian forces, and responds that not only are the Americans closely watching them from right over the Romanian border, but they’re already practicing specific objectives and exercises aimed at engaging Russian forces. The host then even says they’re ready to “cross the border” and enter Ukraine if need be. The fact that they’re situated only about 250km or less from Odessa (a few hours’ drive) is key.
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The first thing I would say is: What did you expect them to say? Naw we sitting here without any bullets, or MRE's freezing our butte's off and no one in DC is listening? Naw of course not. It's always and forever going to be ra ra USA.

Second I would say, that is the smart thing for them to do. Train, train, train. because you never know, when you might get the call.

However that doesn't mean it will happen.

Crossing the border for any reason, out from under the NATO Art 5 provision, means a direct war with Russia. Meaning no holds barred. If they go across the border, it's goes hot all over the world. And I mean hot as in melting eyeballs.
 
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CaryC said:
The first thing I would say is: What did you expect them to say? Naw we sitting here without any bullets, or MRE's freezing our butte's off and no one in DC is listening? Naw of course not. It's always and forever going to be ra ra USA.

Second I would say, that is the smart thing for them to do. Train, train, train. because you never know, when you might get the call.

However that doesn't mean it will happen.

Crossing the border for any reason, out from under the NATO Art 5 provision, means a direct war with Russia. Meaning no holds barred. If they go across the border, it's goes hot all over the world. And I mean hot as in melting eyeballs.
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Note to self: No one is supposed to know that Moldova is between Romania and Odessa and used to be Romanian and may soon be so again . . . or maybe Russia . . . Now, there is a place that has confusing history.
 
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Abert said:
It is probably possible to "train" someone to operate and fire a tank in a couple of days. And all you have is someone who can operate and fire a tank.
While not a tank I do have some experiences with Helicopters - while not exactly the same skill set - the training required is likely similar. First several weeks of classroom instruction followed by hands on - and YES it only took around 15 hours to be able to operate it at a basic level. But what followed was 9 months of additional training. Even after this you were still only qualified to fly 2nd seat - copilot for months to obtain real world experience - effectively a good year+ to even be considered operational competent - at a basic level!

Tanks and other modern weapon systems are just as complex and it takes months to develop the automatic reactions necessary to operate and survive - no time to pullout the operational manual - what do I do - if you don't automatically know - you die (likely taking other with you)


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CaryC said:
Dude Whaaaaat? The foot pedals are to run the tail rotor, which swings the tail left or right. The middle stick, changes the pitch of the rotors, so you go left or right or up or down. and the side stick is the gas pedal. Shoot man I'm ready to go. And if it has a trigger on the middle stick I can shoot missiles. Ye-haw. I can operate a helo.

LOL Just poking, but essentially, and technically that could be called "training" but put me in a helo, and we'll probably be dead right quick like.

You should have seen me on that backhoe. I walked that thing all over the yard, BUT I'm sure no one would hire me as a backhoe operator.

And as for tanks I had on my mind the T handle and brake and gas pedals. Probably had Shermans on my mind LOL.

And those Ukrainians who are getting "training" will soon be gone.
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Come on guys, the new generation "don't need no sticking training!" Video games is all they need! :hmm:

You can take any War Thunder regular and drop them in the most modern AFV and he will drive and shot that sucker right off the bat better than the most seasoned real life vet! ;)

After all, that worked for Marty at 7-11 with handling pistols from Back to the Future, and Cruise with handling stock car racing in Days of Thunder! :eye:
 
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wait-n-see said:
Come on guys, the new generation "don't need no sticking training!" Video games is all they need! :hmm:

You can take any War Thunder regular and drop them in the most modern AFV and he will drive and shot that sucker right off the bat better than the most seasoned real life vet! ;)

After all, that worked for Marty at 7-11 with handling pistols from Back to the Future, and Cruise with handling stock car racing in Days of Thunder! :eye:
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as long as they can squeeze through the door to get in
 
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Ukraine graves filling up daily.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622666961925677069
View: https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1622666961925677069?cxt=HHwWmoC95aXA74QtAAAA


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High suicide rates among Ukrainian soldiers.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622038234199908352
View: https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1622038234199908352


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Book burning of a specific language, always a good indicator.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622727223752130561
View: https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1622727223752130561?cxt=HHwWgoDQsf_zioUtAAAA
 
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