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jward

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Russia-Ukraine war: List of key events, day 349​

As the Russia-Ukraine war enters its 349th day, we take a look at the main developments.


Published On 7 Feb 20237 Feb 2023

Here is the situation as it stands on Tuesday, February 7, 2023:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoE1rYMlRvY

Fighting​


  • Serhiy Haidai, Ukraine’s governor of the mainly Russian-occupied Luhansk province, said Russia is pouring in reinforcements for an offensive that could begin as soon as next week.
  • Fierce battles in Ukraine’s Donetsk region “are very difficult”, Ukrainian President Zelenskyy said, as Ukraine braced for a possible Russian offensive this month before the first anniversary of its invasion of Ukraine.
  • Russia’s defence ministry said its forces had taken control of Mykolaivka, a village in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region, state media reported.
  • Russia’s state Investigative Committee said it was examining the alleged use of chemical weapons by Ukrainian forces near the eastern towns of Soledar and Bakhmut. Ukrainian forces said they had never used chemical weapons anywhere at any time. Russia’s claims could not be independently verified.
INTERACTIVE-WHO CONTROLS WHAT IN UKRAINE

Ukraine’s defence minister​

  • Ukraine sent mixed messages about the fate of defence minister Oleksii Reznikov, leaving a key post in doubt. The questions over Reznikov were the first public sign of disarray in Ukraine’s wartime leadership.
  • Zelenskyy has fired a series of high-level officials this year in a purge aimed at clamping down on corruption. Reznikov had been under pressure over a corruption scandal in the ministry.
  • Kyrylo Budanov, who has been tipped to become Ukraine’s next defence minister, is a young officer who enjoyed a meteoric rise to become military intelligence chief, decorated for his role in operations that mostly remain secret.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz1BRY6p_iY

Diplomacy​

  • Zelenskyy has been invited to take part in a summit of European Union leaders, the EU said, amid reports he could be in Brussels as soon as this week.
  • United States Vice President Kamala Harris is expected to discuss US support for Ukraine when she travels to a major European security conference in Germany next week, as Russia’s invasion nears the one-year mark.
  • The head of the UN nuclear agency, the IAEA, will visit Moscow this week, but the Kremlin said he will not meet President Vladimir Putin.
  • Ukraine’s main Catholic church said it would move to a new calendar that would see Christmas celebrated on December 25 rather than January 7, amid an effort by Ukrainian institutions to break cultural links to Russia. The decision by the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, which counts just less than a tenth of Ukrainians as worshippers, was welcomed by culture minister Oleksandr Tkachenko.
Source: Reuters
 

jward

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FLASH
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⚡️The deficit of the russian budget reached $25 billion due to the drop in income from energy sources. This is the worst figure since 1998 - Bloomberg.
Tax revenues from oil and gas fell by 46% in January compared to the same period last year. At the same time, expenses due to the war increased by 59%.
This combination led to the fact that the deficit of the state budget of the russian federation amounted to $25 billion, or more than 1 trillion rubles.
View: https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1622911292523655168?s=20
 

jward

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How Russia Decides to Go Nuclear
Deciphering the Way Moscow Handles Its Ultimate Weapon

By Kristin Ven Bruusgaard
February 6, 2023

Maxim Shemetov / Reuters


"Ever since Russia invaded Ukraine last February, there has been a near-constant debate about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s nuclear arsenal—and what he might do with it. The United States has repeatedly warned that a flustered Russia may actually be willing to use nuclear weapons, and the Kremlin itself has regularly raised the specter of a nuclear strike. According to top U.S. officials, senior Russian military leaders have discussed when and under what circumstances they might employ nuclear weapons. The concerns have even prompted states close to Russia, notably China, to warn Moscow against going nuclear."


Excerpt from foreign affairs article, posted in it's entirety @ this weeks WoW thread, link below:
 

mistaken1

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Gonzalo Lira
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5h

When I first heard how long the training was for Western weaponry, I surmised that all the operators would have to be former NATO troops working under the fiction of being military contractors.

Here, an Austrian officer confirms exactly what I thought.
View: https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1622737256699113474?s=20

All this time I thought russia was fighting nato but I get it now.
Russia is not fighting against nato, russia is fighting against ex-nato.
Boy am I a relieved, I was worried there for a while that this conflict would lead to a global conflagration.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
All this time I thought russia was fighting nato but I get it now.
Russia is not fighting against nato, russia is fighting against ex-nato.
Boy am I a relieved, I was worried there for a while that this conflict would lead to a global conflagration.
yea, so everyone is a mercenary.
still think it is a good idea to join the military of any NATO country?

still think Russia is confused over the issue?

I can see the recruiting posters now.

UNCLE SCHWAB WANTS YOU
TO JOIN THE
UNITED STATES MERCENARY CORPS
ENLIST TODAY
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Gonzalo Lira
@GonzaloLira1968
5h

When I first heard how long the training was for Western weaponry, I surmised that all the operators would have to be former NATO troops working under the fiction of being military contractors.

Here, an Austrian officer confirms exactly what I thought.
View: https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1622737256699113474?s=20Austrian colonel told how NATO soldiers get to Ukraine

Austrian colonel told how NATO soldiers get to Ukraine​

07.02.2023 14:50
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Kyiv does not need NATO soldiers, as they are already taking part in the battles as mercenaries, Colonel Markus Reisner, military strategist of the Austrian Ministry of Defense, said at a press conference at the AIES Institute. His words are reported by RIA Novosti.
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if24.ru
According to the agency, one of the journalists during the conference asked the Austrian Colonel Reisner about who will control the tanks that the West is preparing for Ukraine. To this, the colonel replied that the military, leaving the service from the armies of NATO countries, can easily be mercenaries, since they are no longer officially representatives of the armed forces of their states.
“I take off my uniform, sign a contract and go to Ukraine. And now I am not a member of the Austrian Armed Forces, but a contract mercenary,” Reisner explained.
Recall that last year, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that mercenaries from more than 60 countries are taking part in the conflict in Ukraine, while in many countries mercenarism is prohibited at the legislative level and is prosecuted.
According to Western media, in January of this year, up to 3,000 foreign mercenaries were present in the Ukrainian military formations.
 

von Koehler

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Key questions:

Will the Ukainians be able to blunt the expected Russian offensive? Russia will have a vast numberial advantage over the Ukainians. But many of the Russian troops are poorly trained, equipped, and have low morale. Will that make a difference?

Can Western aid arrive in time, in sufficient numbers to make a difference?

If the Ukainians do succeed in stopping the Russians, will they be able to mount their counter offensive?

Where will the Russians attack? Where will the Ukainians attack?

If the Russians are able to break through Ukrainian defenses, where will the Russians stop? Or they just keep on advancing?

I expect horrendous casualties on both sides.
 

raven

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Austrian colonel told how NATO soldiers get to Ukraine​

07.02.2023 14:50
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Kyiv does not need NATO soldiers, as they are already taking part in the battles as mercenaries, Colonel Markus Reisner, military strategist of the Austrian Ministry of Defense, said at a press conference at the AIES Institute. His words are reported by RIA Novosti.
RIAN_8105564.HR_.ru_.jpg
if24.ru
According to the agency, one of the journalists during the conference asked the Austrian Colonel Reisner about who will control the tanks that the West is preparing for Ukraine. To this, the colonel replied that the military, leaving the service from the armies of NATO countries, can easily be mercenaries, since they are no longer officially representatives of the armed forces of their states.

Recall that last year, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that mercenaries from more than 60 countries are taking part in the conflict in Ukraine, while in many countries mercenarism is prohibited at the legislative level and is prosecuted.
so NATO is already fighting in Ukraine using NATO equipment . . . and they call the result winning?
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
so NATO is already fighting in Ukraine using NATO equipment . . . and they call the result winning?

Claim: Ukrainian and Russian casualties according to MOSSAD​

25-01-2023, 11:53

234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)

2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, ...)

5,360 Dead – Mercenaries
See Post #46,002 for the rest of the story. MOSSAD Knows.
 
Understand that if NATO, i.e. US and Polish forces (since everyone else are pretty much spent/cadre forces at this point) take the field, it will be a combined arms force, both air and ground with satellite recce support. The amount of potential fire that could be laid upon Russian forces is such that the moment that threat becomes flesh, the Russians will have to start resorting to nuclear weapons to have a chance at creating a version of a "frozen conflict" where they can either keep a stalemate like in Korea or negotiate a peace they can live with. That's a huge version of chicken that only works if they get lucky in reading the current cabal in DC. If any of those players, both in front of or behind the curtain, changes that results in the destruction of the Rodina in a manner that even the Mongols couldn't accomplish, never mind what happens to everyone else.
Boots-on-the-ground NATO forces will be made up of non-native English speaking individuals at each station - logistics, fire control/direction/detection, and none of them having ever "fought" "life-and-death," together, on the same side of the battlefield.

"Murphy" would be ALL OVER such a scenario. And, Russian COINTEL would be having a field day in the midst of that NATO force confusion/misunderstanding/cannot grok/cultural differences/perspectives/huh?.

The "correct" <ahem> neocon/communist solution would be to put native English speaking warfighters (read: American and Brit military boots-on-the-ground) together, sharing the primary battlespace.

Wait for it.


intothegoodnight

ETA: Bear in mind that NATO doctrine stipulates that they are constituted as a defensive military force - NOT OFFENSIVE.
 
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Cedar Lake

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Ukrainian losses in January amounted to more than 6.5 thousand military personnel, said Shoigu​

07.02.2023 14:57
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According to the head of the Russian Defense Ministry, the Ukrainian side also lost 26 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 40 multiple launch rocket systems.
Ukrainian losses in January amounted to more than 6.5 thousand military personnel, said Shoigu
radiosputnik.ria.ru
Ukraine in January 2023 lost more than 6,500 military personnel in battles, as well as 26 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 40 multiple launch rocket systems. This was stated by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a conference call in the military department.
“Despite the unprecedented military assistance from Western countries, the enemy is suffering significant losses. In the first month of this year alone, they amounted to more than 6,500 military personnel, 26 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 208 unmanned aerial vehicles, 341 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 40 combat vehicles of multiple rocket launchers,” said the head of the military department.
Previously militant of the 47th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Markus, according to whom, the strength of hostilities did not show a downward trend for a day, on the contrary, having clearly intensified since the beginning of the Moscow special operation, he said that the Kiev regime was suffering large-scale losses in equipment and manpower with the daily loss of a “new number of meters” of its own territories.
 

Doc1

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yea, so everyone is a mercenary.
still think it is a good idea to join the military of any NATO country?

still think Russia is confused over the issue?

I can see the recruiting posters now.

UNCLE SCHWAB WANTS YOU
TO JOIN THE
UNITED STATES MERCENARY CORPS
ENLIST TODAY

Keep up, man! We've got an entirely new threat to counter and your recruitment ad should reflect this change:

UNCLE SCHWAB WANTS YOU
TO JOIN THE
UNITED STATES BALLOON CORPS
ENLIST TODAY
Best
Doc
 

Doc1

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#BREAKING: German government’s security council approves delivery of 178 Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine- Spiegel

As Ukraine has already lost thousands of fairly modern Warsaw Pact tanks and as the Leopard I is a somewhat dated design, I can't see that 178 Leopard Is - assuming they can be delivered in a timely fashion - will make too much difference.

Best
Doc
 
“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced that officials with military experience will be appointed in a number of border and frontline regions.” Officials with military experience will be appointed as heads of frontline regions – Zelenskyy via @pravda_eng
View: https://twitter.com/SoizaDavid/status/1622820114902159360?s=20
An apparent twist to what many have seen before, in contemporary history.

Heads-up, Oreally. An alleged American citizen living in the Ukraine, chasing Ukrainian women and song, and hanging out at the coffee-shops, may become noticed.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I
Runtime: 02:18

Fortunate Son - Lyrics and Music by John Fogerty

Creedence Clearwater Revival

Album - "Willy And The Poor Boys" (1969)

Some folks are born made to wave the flag
Ooh, they're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail To The Chief"
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the taxman come to the door
Lord, the house lookin' like a rummage sale, yeah

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Yeah!
Some folks inherit star-spangled eyes
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer, "More! More! More!" Yo

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, one

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no no no
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, no no no
It ain't me, it ain't me
 
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wait-n-see

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Refugees from Soledar and Bakhmout tell how Ukrainian soldiers are destroying these towns

7th February 2023
Christelle Nil

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On February 2, 2023, I was able to meet in Chakhtiorsk, in the DPR (Donetsk People's Republic), several refugees from Soledar and Bakhmout/Artiomovsk, who told me about their evacuation, the destruction of these cities by Ukrainian soldiers, and the fact that they use civilian infrastructure as a firing point.

From takeover of Soledar by Wagner units, civilians began to be evacuated from the city, for their safety. As Alexander tells me, the evacuation was dangerous, the civilians had nothing to protect themselves from possible fire from the Ukrainian army, so it was Wagner's fighters who covered them.

Others, like Evdokia, left Bakhmout as early as the summer of last year when it became clear that staying there was dangerous. The latter tells how the Ukrainian soldiers stole the household appliances, and bombed around her house to force her to leave. Evdokia also reports that, like in Mariupol, the Ukrainian soldiers promised to raze Bakhmout/Artiomovsk if they were driven out.

See the report subtitled in French. Two of these refugees still have family in Ukraine, so their faces have been blurred.

(videos at the link are in French - wait-n-see)

That part of the destruction in Bakhmut/Artiomovsk and Soledar is due to deliberate shelling by the Ukrainian army is confirmed by the interview of other refugees, interviewed by Johnny Miller of Press TV.

Two women questioned even explain that once on the spot bombarded by the Ukrainian army, the journalists, including Western ones, ask them to lie and to say that it is the Russian army which bombarded them!

Part of the destruction is also due to the fact that Ukrainian soldiers set up their firing points in apartments, hospitals, sanatoriums, and other infrastructures, effectively attracting the response fire of Russian forces on these civilian buildings.

If Evdokia managed to flee the fighting and the bombardments, members of his family are still stuck in Ukraine, for lack of money to be able to leave the country (4000 dollars on average). She herself voted in 2014 for the referendum on the creation of the DPR, and supports the Russian special military operation, which, according to her, should stop somewhere in Europe in order to be sure that the Ukrainians will not return.

Among the refugees from Soledar, I interview Elena and Lydia, the two women also voted for the creation of the DPR during the 2014 referendum. They tell us about this extraordinary vote.

« I have never seen an election like this. Even the presidential one. The way people went to the referendum, everyone was colorful, good-looking, well-dressed. Everyone went to vote », explains Elena.

Lydia and Elena also tell us how the Ukrainian soldiers tried, in vain, to impose their neo-Nazi slogan "Glory to Ukraine" even in the shops, or tried to prevent people from wearing signs in the colors of Russia.

When I ask them what they think of the fact that France supports and arms Ukraine, Elena and Lydia react harshly and demand that it stop.

« Stop sponsoring Ukraine with guns and money, it won't make any difference. We made our choice a long time ago said Elena.

Evdokia for her part is well aware that this support is decided not by the French people, or even by Emmanuel Macron, whom she rightly considers a puppet of the same type as Zelensky, but by others to whom " the sun and the air we have is not enough for them and who think they can take their billions to the afterlife.

It is for these slips of paper with numbers printed on them that millions of lives are being shattered in Donbass and Ukraine, in a NATO proxy war against Russia.
 

wait-n-see

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Ukrainian losses in January amounted to more than 6.5 thousand military personnel, said Shoigu​

07.02.2023 14:57
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According to the head of the Russian Defense Ministry, the Ukrainian side also lost 26 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 40 multiple launch rocket systems.
Ukrainian losses in January amounted to more than 6.5 thousand military personnel, said Shoigu
radiosputnik.ria.ru
Ukraine in January 2023 lost more than 6,500 military personnel in battles, as well as 26 aircraft, 7 helicopters, 40 multiple launch rocket systems. This was stated by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a conference call in the military department.

Previously militant of the 47th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Markus, according to whom, the strength of hostilities did not show a downward trend for a day, on the contrary, having clearly intensified since the beginning of the Moscow special operation, he said that the Kiev regime was suffering large-scale losses in equipment and manpower with the daily loss of a “new number of meters” of its own territories.

The following shows a lot of what is causing those casualties. The Russians are very good with their MLRS.

At night even!

View: https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1622952234815303685?cxt=HHwWisC9ua6d8YUtAAAA
 

CaryC

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Just a thought concerning:

Evdokia also reports that, like in Mariupol, the Ukrainian soldiers promised to raze Bakhmout/Artiomovsk if they were driven out.

Since they are being encircled, the question is not that they will be driven out, but rather will they be able to get out.

I noticed that a couple of days ago there was a prisoner exchange. Which is unusual for Russia. But the new Russia may be more humanitarian. ? However the old Russia, those encircled will die, to the last man. BTW that is something Zippy wants to happen and has said so. Hitler said the same thing when he invaded Russia through Ukraine. Which didn't work out so well for the German army.
 

Haybails

When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
As Ukraine has already lost thousands of fairly modern Warsaw Pact tanks and as the Leopard I is a somewhat dated design, I can't see that 178 Leopard Is - assuming they can be delivered in a timely fashion - will make too much difference.

Best
Doc
Well, the 'Military Industrial Complex' is like, "Go ahead and let them destroy the old product . . . then they'll need to replenish and buy new product from us."

HB
 

Austrian colonel told how NATO soldiers get to Ukraine​

07.02.2023 14:50
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Kyiv does not need NATO soldiers, as they are already taking part in the battles as mercenaries, Colonel Markus Reisner, military strategist of the Austrian Ministry of Defense, said at a press conference at the AIES Institute. His words are reported by RIA Novosti.
RIAN_8105564.HR_.ru_.jpg
if24.ru
According to the agency, one of the journalists during the conference asked the Austrian Colonel Reisner about who will control the tanks that the West is preparing for Ukraine. To this, the colonel replied that the military, leaving the service from the armies of NATO countries, can easily be mercenaries, since they are no longer officially representatives of the armed forces of their states.

Recall that last year, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that mercenaries from more than 60 countries are taking part in the conflict in Ukraine, while in many countries mercenarism is prohibited at the legislative level and is prosecuted.
If this occurs, carefully follow the money back to individuals and NGO groups - not just governments.

WHO will be paying for these very expensive merc forces?

Important to understand. Pull the curtain back a bit further.

Be Toto.


intothegoodnight
 
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Abert

Veteran Member
Key questions:

Will the Ukainians be able to blunt the expected Russian offensive? Russia will have a vast numberial advantage over the Ukainians. But many of the Russian troops are poorly trained, equipped, and have low morale. Will that make a difference?

Can Western aid arrive in time, in sufficient numbers to make a difference?

If the Ukainians do succeed in stopping the Russians, will they be able to mount their counter offensive?

Where will the Russians attack? Where will the Ukainians attack?

If the Russians are able to break through Ukrainian defenses, where will the Russians stop? Or they just keep on advancing?

I expect horrendous casualties on both sides.
So tired of this 100% pure BS / SPIN / PR : But many of the Russian troops are poorly trained, equipped, and have low morale. It has been documented and verified that the call up of additional Russian troops was of effectively reservist - all had former military service & training - still they were put through 3 months of additional training.
On the other hand - also will documented and verified - the Unitarian's are now grabbing (Press Gangs) young (and old) men off the street and forcing them into uniform - these are NOT former solders - a few weeks "training" and off to the trenches - where their life expectancy is likely measured in days!

While it is difficult to know exactly what is going on one should still attempt to analyze statements - on both sides - and recognize the difference between PR / SPIN and factual observations.

As for : If the Ukainians do succeed in stopping the Russians - Even Zelenskyy has now come out and admitted that thing are NOT going good on the front - Bakhmut is about to fall to the Russians and the new SPIN is that it is of no importance and Ukrainian troops are going to do a stressful tactical retreat to their NEW defense lines - where this time they will stop the Russians!
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

US warship operates in Black Sea in first instance since Russian invasion of Ukraine​

The US warship visited Turkey, a NATO country along the Black Sea that has maintained a strong relationship with Russia.​

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
Published: FEBRUARY 7, 2023 05:04
Updated: FEBRUARY 7, 2023 07:54

The US Navy guided-missile destroyer USS Nitze (R) and the guided-missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf depart Naval Station Norfolk to ride out the storm in the Atlantic Ocean ahead of Hurricane Florence, in Norfolk, Virginia, September 10, 2018. (photo credit: US NAVY/MASS COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST 2ND CLASS JUSTIN WOLPERT/HANDOUT VIA REUTERS)

The US Navy guided-missile destroyer USS Nitze (R) and the guided-missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf depart Naval Station Norfolk to ride out the storm in the Atlantic Ocean ahead of Hurricane Florence, in Norfolk, Virginia, September 10, 2018.
(photo credit: US NAVY/MASS COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST 2ND CLASS JUSTIN WOLPERT/HANDOUT VIA REUTERS)

A United States warship, a Destroyer named USS Nitze, was seen to be operating in the Black Sea. This is the closest a US warship has been to Russia since the Russian invasion of Ukraine began.

Nitze operates as part of the George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group.

The ship entered the region and visited Turkey on February 3rd, which was confirmed on the Twitter account of the US Navy's Sixth Fleet.

Several days later, the ship also visited Piraeus in Greece.

The last American warship to enter the Black Sea region did so in December of 2021.

Russian missile cruiser Moskva is moored in the Ukrainian Black Sea port of Sevastopol, Ukraine, May 10, 2013. (credit: REUTERS/STRINGER/FILE PHOTO)


Russian missile cruiser Moskva is moored in the Ukrainian Black Sea port of Sevastopol, Ukraine, May 10, 2013. (credit: REUTERS/STRINGER/FILE PHOTO)

The significance of the visit of the US warship amid the Russia-Ukraine War​

The US Ambassador to Turkey Jeff Flake and the US Consulate General to Istanbul Julie Eadeh visited the ship for several hours.

The ambassador made no connection between the ship’s presence and the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine. Rather, Flake described the visit as an opportunity to strengthen a NATO relationship.

“Turkey is a highly valued NATO Ally,” Flake said in a Sixth Fleet news release. “Nitze’s visit is an opportunity to further strengthen our long-standing and vital partnership with Turkey.”

Notably, The United States has recently issued warnings to Turkey about Turkish exports to Russia. The exports include chemicals, microchips and other products that can be used in Moscow's war effort in Ukraine.

Turkey has also been blocking Finland and Sweden from joining NATO, which some have said would benefit Russia in its invasion of Ukraine.

 

Walrus

Veteran Member
It's called Penicillin, covered in this post: acoustic technology to passively "listen" for launch signatures

Quite effective and very capable as it does not create emissions which can be used to track it.
Ha. Shows that I've given up trying to read the whole thread, doesn't it?

In its research and tech service groups (both in Sunbury and the US tech operations support divisions), BP used to have several Russian PhD mathematicians and physicists. Those folks could figure out things which were absolutely amazing; they were good people to work with as well. Even through the 90s when Russia was battling through its culture of post-Soviet Union and going through the iterations as it shed its ideological Communist underpinnings - especially including its education system - I found that those people could be counted on to tackle just about anything.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

China and Russia Deepen Their Ties​

by Judith Bergman
February 7, 2023 at 5:00 am
Gatestone Institute

  • Just 20 days before [Russia's invasion of Ukraine]..., Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping signed a statement that said their cooperation had "no limits... no forbidden zones."
  • "Russia and China are making common cause to better defend their respective interests and their authoritarian systems from Western pressure," said Daniel Russel, a former Obama administration official handling Asia issues, at the time.
  • Shortly after that, Putin announced new Russian oil and gas deals with China worth an estimated $117.5 billion.
  • Both countries have also increasingly been conducting this trade in their national currencies.
  • In February, China and Russia will be holding joint military exercises with South Africa off the South African coast, underscoring the growing influence that China has in Africa
  • Above all, China's close and increased dealings with Russia have provided a lifeline to Putin, enabling him to continue his war on Ukraine. This is something that the Biden administration has done little about, apart from threatening last March that there would "absolutely be consequences for large-scale sanctions evasion efforts or support to Russia to backfill them. We will not allow that to go forward and allow there to be a lifeline to Russia from these economic sanctions from any country, anywhere in the world."
  • "There's a number of ways that China's support is just crucial for Putin. I believe the Chinese could stop the war with one phone call to him. It would be like the banker calling you... so far it's not happening... Probably the only way to get ahead is going to be American sanctions on China... the war will go on because the banker is not going to make that call." – Michael Pillsbury, author of The Hundred Year Marathon," Fox Business, March 9, 2022.
  • So far, the Biden administration's help to Ukraine has been insufficient and slow in coming; however, protecting the West by saving Ukraine may yet go down as Biden's legacy and his administration's greatest achievement.
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China and Russia continue to deepen their ties. China's close and increased dealings with Russia have provided a lifeline to Putin, enabling him to continue his war on Ukraine. Pictured: Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping meet in Beijing on February 4, 2022. (Photo by Alexei Druzhinin/Sputnik/AFP via Getty Images)

China and Russia continue to deepen their ties, a pact that has not gone unnoticed by the European public. In a new poll taken by the International Republican Institute (IRI) across 13 Central and Eastern European countries, there was much concern about this deepening partnership.

Jan Surotchak, Senior Director for Transatlantic Strategy at IRI, said:
"Our data clearly show that many Europeans see a working relationship between Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping as a threat to security and prosperity across the continent. As the war in Ukraine rages on, they are worried that an alliance between powerful authoritarians will continue to have a negative impact in their own backyard."

Similarly, a Pew research poll taken in the United States in April 2022 found 62% of respondents saying that the strengthened China-Russia relationship was "a very serious problem."

The collaboration between China and Russia has been deepening since before Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Just 20 days before the invasion, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping signed a statement that said their cooperation had "no limits... no forbidden zones."


"Russia and China are making common cause to better defend their respective interests and their authoritarian systems from Western pressure," said Daniel Russel, a former Obama administration official handling Asia issues, at the time.
Shortly after that, Putin announced new Russian oil and gas deals with China worth an estimated $117.5 billion. On February 18, six days before the invasion, Russia announced a $20 billion deal to sell 100 million tons of coal to China. Since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, China's imports of oil, piped natural gas, liquefied natural gas and coal from Russia have reached a total of $68 billion, up from $41 billion for the same period last year, at a time when the West has banned the import of most Russian energy. In November, Russia even surpassed Saudi Arabia as China's primary supplier of crude oil.

The trade of goods between Russia and China reached $190 billion in 2022, up more than In October 2022, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov that China wants to deepen its relationship with Moscow "at all levels."

In December, the Wall Street Journal reported that Xi had given instructions to make economic ties with Russia even stronger:
"The plan includes increasing Chinese imports of Russian oil, gas and farm goods, more joint energy partnerships in the Arctic and increased Chinese investment in Russian infrastructure, such as railways and ports, the advisers say. Russia and China are also conducting more financial transactions in the ruble and yuan, rather than the euro or dollar, a move that helps insulate the two against future sanctions and put the Chinese currency into wider circulation."
"Xi has been strengthening China's relations with Russia largely independent of the Russian invasion," said Yun Sun, director of the China program at the Stimson Center, a Washington think tank. "The relationship may well be becoming ever closer."

Although China has not provided Russia with materiel for its war on Ukraine, China and Russia's relationship does extend to military cooperation and joint military exercises. In September 2022, China and Russia agreed "on further military cooperation with a focus on joint exercises and patrols, as well as on strengthening contacts between the General Staffs."

In December, China and Russia held joint live-fire naval exercises, known as Maritime Cooperation 2022 -– a yearly event between the two countries since 2012 -- in the East China Sea with the live-fire participation of Russia's Navy and China's People's Liberation Army Navy, as well as Chinese aircraft.

According to a Russian statement:
"The active part of the exercise will include joint missile and artillery firing against air targets, artillery firing against sea targets, and practicing joint anti-submarine actions with practical use of weapons... The main purpose of the exercise is to strengthen naval cooperation between the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China and to maintain peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region."
China's defense ministry described the exercises as a demonstration of "the determination and capability of the two sides to jointly respond to maritime security threats, maintain international and regional peace and stability and further deepen China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership."

The United States was not strong enough "to keep in check both countries at once, so was mobilising Europe, Japan and others to join it," Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in January, according to Reuters. "The West is trying to sow discord in our relations... We and China see all these games."

In February, China and Russia will be holding joint military exercises with South Africa off the South African coast, underscoring the growing influence that China has in Africa.

Xi is expected to visit Putin this spring.

"We are expecting you, dear Mr Chairman, dear friend, we are expecting you next spring on a state visit to Moscow," Putin told Xi in video-conference at the end of December.

Above all, China's close and increased dealings with Russia have provided a lifeline to Putin, enabling him to continue his war on Ukraine. This is something that the Biden administration has done little about, apart from threatening last March:

"We are communicating directly, privately to Beijing, that there will absolutely be consequences for large-scale sanctions evasion efforts or support to Russia to backfill them. We will not allow that to go forward and allow there to be a lifeline to Russia from these economic sanctions from any country, anywhere in the world."
China is "the invisible hand behind Putin," Michael Pillsbury, author of The Hundred-Year Marathon, said in March 2022.
"They are the ones who are funding the war. Roughly half of Russia's gold and currency reserves are controlled now by the U.S. and by the West, he [Putin] can't get access to them. But the other half the Chinese can provide access to and they've been doing it... The trade and the purchase of long-term energy supplies undercut the sanctions, because it shows Putin he has got somebody in his corner for the next five years or more. There's a number of ways that China's support is just crucial for Putin. I believe the Chinese could stop the war with one phone call to him. It would be like the banker calling you... so far it's not happening... Probably the only way to get ahead is going to be American sanctions on China... the war will go on because the banker is not going to make that call."
Seemingly only now, almost a year after the invasion of Ukraine, the Biden administration has reportedly begun to address China "with evidence that suggests some Chinese state-owned companies may be providing assistance for Russia's war effort in Ukraine," according to Time magazine.
"The people familiar with the administration's thinking characterized the state-owned enterprises' activities as knowingly assisting Russia in its war effort. They didn't elaborate on what evidence the administration might have to support that view."
On January 24, White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre remarked:
"We will continue to communicate to China the implications of providing material support to Russia's war against Ukraine. We have talked about this many times that we will be very clear what it means to support Russia's aggression against Ukraine. And, as I've said many times, as my colleagues from NSC has said many times, we will continue to support Ukraine and the Ukrainian people as long as needed."
For the sake of deterring the many enemies of the Free World, let us hope this is so. So far, the Biden administration's help to Ukraine has been insufficient and slow in coming; however, protecting the West by saving Ukraine may yet go down as Biden's legacy and his administration's greatest achievement.
Judith Bergman, a columnist, lawyer and political analyst, is a Distinguished Senior Fellow at Gatestone Institute.

 
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Abert

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As Ukraine has already lost thousands of fairly modern Warsaw Pact tanks and as the Leopard I is a somewhat dated design, I can't see that 178 Leopard Is - assuming they can be delivered in a timely fashion - will make too much difference.

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Doc
A somewhat dated design - nice way of saying museum piece! Two big problems for this tank - first it is Very lightly armored even compared to other tanks of that vintage. Next the main gun a former NATO standard British designed in 1958 the L7 a rifled 105 mm. This was specifically developed to address advances in Russian tank armor - a Soviet T-54A medium tank was the "benchmark" test. This new gun / round could penetrate the frontal armor - success - and it became the standard NATO gun (with several minor modifications) - even used on the early Abrams tanks.

But things move on - technology improves - we get to do it all over again.
Just as in the late 50's in reaction to new Russian tank armor in early 70's it became clear that the L7 - even with improved rounds was no longer effective against newer Russian tanks and armor - around 1974 it was replaced with an new German design the Rheinmetall Rh-120 is a 120 mm smoothbore tank gun. Currently the new standard.

So these Leopard 1's will be going into battle with effectively little armor protection and a main gun that was "retired" 50 years ago because it was no longer able to counter the Russian Tank armor of the 70's

Have not seen anything about the target detection or fire control systems on these Leopard 1's - but it is unlikely they will be up to the current Russian computer controlled systems.

So once again for the OPTICS - Ukrainian troops with little to no training (unlikely you could get skilled NATO tankers into this death trap) will be sent to the front - we have seen this before - we know how it ends!
 
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