For US to send that stuff to Ukraine would be an immediate nuclear war... world war. If Russia got a hint of that, the shipment would be in the ocean deep. If Ukraine were to pop a open a can of sunshine against Russia, it would all be over in a couple hours.
What are you really experiencing though, versus what your propaganda ministry is telling you. I know that in Amerika, if the internet were shut down and there was only TV news, we would be fed nothing but constant lies.
i am a reporter, to my utter amazement, simply reporting what i see and hear with my own eyes and ears. nothing more. no 'propaganda ministry' is telling me to tell everyone here anything.
A better option may well be a lot of TOW lugging Toyota 4X4s added to the mix.....
Yeah well they are all being used for food now.
I don't think so, not yet - sadly, that does happen, and I think there are or were plans to put up a statue of the cats of St. Petersburg who gave their lives so people could live. After WWII, Moscow sent a gift of cats to repopulate the warehouses, factory, and State Museum with mousers. Today the Museum Cats are a special attraction, cared for, fed, and medically supported by volunteers and staff - they also do an excellent job of mousing.
Thank you. As I told Oreally, I want his input even if I don't accept it as Gospel.
That’ll throw a monkey in the wrench
If verified, this probably needs its own breaking news thread- just my thoughts
Well that is good and I do not question your observations as being factual. Thanks for that! But my concern is how wide a view you may or may not have. We have quite a few sources through the internet and by golly, don't they have some differences in opinions. Figuring out the truth is part of it. What I do know, is that we are being dragged into something that is extremely costly and risks even more. And I do know that Ukraine is run by some of the most corrupt people in the world (like the US of course, and France, and UK, etc.) I don't trust any of those people because they have already said they want most of us dead! Russia is not trustworthy, but they have not been trying to kill us. You in Ukraine are getting frontline experience of that collision where Russia is fighting for their survival against what I see as evil monster nations. I would expect you to be biased unless you can shed the personal perspective.
people i love are here.
Fine tuning?
I think the collective Western people's failed to understand the Russian methods for war that since they don't jive with Western ideals makes what the Russians do seem inconceivable.
I think O'Really is doing a great service.
You have to define who "they" is and for use- no, I would not nuke my neighbor. The "they" I think you are referring to is your government. They need to be nuked... not literally but a piece of rope would do. And if they even think about nuking Russia, no civilians will be spared by the onslaught Russia would have to mount. I fear for the lives of most of Ukraine. THEY are making all the wrong moves and killing off the country.
But if you are nowhere near the south or east, nor have you been, then you are seeing very little. And what you are hearing is from other people. And where did they get their information from?
And Ukraine, glory to Ukraine, they have been gloriously victorious in beating back the onslaught of the orcs.... right? Uh, nope.
A link with a full accounting / audit - not likely - not even sure Ukraine knows what has come in.
tanks-encyclopedia.com
www.thedrive.com
euroweeklynews.com
Dang... I was hoping it would be "Monkey Models." I can't see where sending Tier One gear is a good idea.
A link with a full accounting / audit - not likely - not even sure Ukraine knows what has come in.
Ukraine had some 2200 per this article - looks like the data was as of 2014
Likely picked up a few more from 2015 to 2020 - but 2200 is a good working numberTank Encyclopedia - The Online Tank Museum
All about the tactics, technologies, and evolution of the tank worldwide, from World War I to the Atomic and Digital Ages.
Once this war started NATO pulled every Soviet Tank from member nations (and the US is actively looking at N. Africa and S. America for more) to Ukraine - for example just Poland sent in around 200 T-72 tanks - could be more as they had 382
Poland sends 200 tanks to Ukraine as Russia suffers 'colossal' loses
Other former Soviet nations also have stocks of Soviet Tanks the US is / has been actively moving to Ukraine
Besides Poland we have Bulgaria with 160 T-72, Czech Republic with around 100 T-72 as well as a number of other nations.Soviet-Era T-72 Tanks To Be Transferred To Ukraine From NATO Countries: Reports
Reports state that a U.S.-brokered transfer of T-72 tanks to Ukraine from NATO countries’ Soviet-era stocks is imminent.
So maybe some 700 / 800 ? - again it is almost impossible to get accurate numbers - but we are still in general looking at Ukraine having had around 3000 tanks under its control over the extent of this war +/- .
As for losses ??? we only have two data points - first Russian ( yes Russian) reports on Ukrainian losses.
The 6000 includes tank and other armored and looking back over 2000 as of 8 months agoRussian Armed Forces claim to have destroyed more than 6,000 Ukrainian tanks since February
Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, said that “more than 6,000 Ukrainian tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) have been destroyed”…
Russia claims to have destroyed 2,037 Ukraine tanks, 127 aircraft & 428 UAVs in war - Naturally a lot more armor has been destroyed since then.
How inflated are the Russian numbers??? Who knows - likely but - always a but....
But IF Ukraine still had the bulk of this tank force of around 3000 WHY would they be begging for just a "few hundred more"
While this is all "back of the envelope" analysis - the bottom line is that having destroyed some 2 to 3 thousand +/- Ukrainian tanks - the additional - maybe 400 German Leopards and (if they ever show up) all of 30 M1 will make ZERO difference in this war
Yes Russia has lost tanks - maybe as many - but their primary tank factory was able to produce 1000 a year (likely more today) and some 8000 T-72 and some 3000 T-80 in storage not sure on the T-64's (likely a few) - yes in storage - maybe half are non-operational ??? You still have Russia with a reserve of 4 to 5 thousand tanks they can put into play - vs the few hundred old Leopards Ukraine is getting.
You don't need a PhD in math - to crunch these numbers.
