POL The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans - Vivek Ramaswamy

vector7

Dot Collector
They need to step back and revisit what has happened to America since WW2.

From the eroding Rust Belt, to the rise of Walmart followed by Corporate greed sending millions of American businesses production and factories to Asia and Mexico, killing hundreds of millions of US jobs. Completely hollowing out US manufactung.

Dot.Com has eviscerated brick and mortar retail. Malls are dying off, pushing everything digital. Remaining service jobs are moving towards automation and Artifical Intelligence will finish off what's left.

Leftist Democrats fostered Communism in our schools for over half a century creating community organizers, street protestors and now Woke hive minded Useful Idiots hating capitalism and America.

In 2009, Democrats went full Communism. They ran up the US National Debt 25 trillion (from 10tln to 36tln). Now we're knocking on 40 trillion...1/3rd of every tax dollar is needed to pay debt interest...soon to be 50%.

Meaning, our .gov has brought America to Unrecoverable Territory.

They have made US wages unsustainable to make a living.

This is nearly a century of the Communists and Greedy Politicans allowing foreign interests to Grind America down from within.

AGENDA Grinding America Down 1:30:32
View: https://youtu.be/SUERsZrXLuc?si=7SzC0-aRLIF2X1G-
 
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Dash

Veteran Member

Trump supports immigration visas backed by Musk: ‘I have many H-1B visas on my properties’​

Published Dec. 28, 2024, 1:56 p.m. ET

President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” added Trump, who restricted access to foreign worker visas in his first administration and has been critical of the program in the past.

Musk and other tech barons argued this week that the H-1B visa program is critical to ensuring American companies can find highly skilled labor which may not be easily available in the U.S. labor force and must be expanded.

MAGA hardliners want Trump to follow through with his promise to promote US workers and impose tougher restrictions on immigration.

Trump’s Saturday comments come a day after Musk vowed to go to “war” on the issue, telling one mocking opponent to go “f–k yourself.”

The flare-up happened after X user Steven Mackey jabbed the billionaire’s defense of the program by using the billionaire’s own words against him.

“Stop trying to optimize something that shouldn’t exist,” a line often used by Musk, Mackey wrote. “Let’s optimize H-1B,” he sarcastically added.

Musk fired back: “The reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla, and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B.”

“Take a big step back and F–K YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend,” he added, paragraphing a memorable line from the 2008 comedy “Tropic Thunder.”

The tech billionaire has been criticized by MAGA diehards including Laura Loomer and Ann Coulter — who say the H-1B visa program has been abused and needs to be sharply curtailed.

And influential voices around Trump have publicly begun turning on Musk as well.

“Someone please notify ‘Child Protective Services’— need to do a ‘wellness check’ on this toddler,” former White House Counselor Steve Bannon jeered at the X boss in a Saturday post to his account on Gettr.

Musk said his passion for the issue stemmed from wanting America to remain competitive by attracting “the top ~0.1% of engineering talent” which he said was essential for “America to keep winning.”

Vivek Ramaswamy, who is slated to run the Department of Government Efficiency with Musk, backed Musk and offered a critique of American society.

“American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence,” Ramaswamy wrote on X.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
F*** Donald J. Trump

My wife held Pom-Pom’s for MAGA! Watched EVERY rally from 2015 forward.

I understand our schools and society got punked by guns & butter Johnson…

That in part is what MAGA is about. The turn we took after the Kennedy assassination.

The H1B visa… That is not competition for free market jobs in the U.S. Because the prevailing wage is pitted against a never ending pool of foreigners.

168 days ago, Elon jumped on the Trump Train. Now he wants to F@ce Fork MAGA along with The Curry Kid?

Sorry! But PE DJT is gonna need a ring side advisor for this 3-Ring circus of The Greatest Show on Earth. I’m available at $450 K a year plus expenses.

Seriously though. I’m about at my f*** the drones, IDGAS moment, and about to go full Dutch-Shoe-Luddite and shut down the widescreen.
 
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Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My wife held Pom-Pom’s for MAGA! Watched EVERY rally from 2015 forward.

I understand our schools got punked by guns & butter Johnson…

That in part is what MAGA is about. The turn we took after the Kennedy assassination.

The H1B visa… That is not competition for free market jobs in the U.S. Because the prevailing wage is pitted against a never ending pool of foreigners.

168 days ago, Elon jumped on the Trump Train. Now he wants to F@ce Fork MAGA along with The Curry Kid?

Sorry! But PE DJT is gonna need a ring side advisor for this 3-Ring circus of The Greatest Show on Earth.

I’m about at my f*** the drones, IDGAS moment, and about to go full Dutch-Shoe-Luddite.
Well I really do think the whole theatrics, are just that, theatrics. It really shows our education and social system sucks and rewards mediocrity instead of punishing it. You should only get first place and everyone else can suck it. I think the other aspect is it is showing that our hiring process is designed to eliminate the possibility of any americans getting the job. But I also think they are trying to set the stage to control a response for a mid term elections issue that they can control, one hopes. If not things are about to get ugly.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Well I really do think the whole theatrics, are just that, theatrics. It really shows our education and social system sucks and rewards mediocrity instead of punishing it. You should only get first place and everyone else can suck it. I think the other aspect is it is showing that our hiring process is designed to eliminate the possibility of any americans getting the job. But I also think they are trying to set the stage to control a response for a mid term elections issue that they can control, one hopes. If not things are about to get ugly.

Those theatrics can be invoked in a pre-inauguration fireside chat. Not left to hang for three weeks over the head of a loyal following!

FTS!
 

gillmanNSF

Veteran Member
Being in the biotech industry and working in a lab, new hires for lab work hired by my company are overwhelmingly young south Asian women that I have nothing in common with. Foreign workers don't mind doing the same mundane assays day after day after day, they don't complain and they would never stand up to our corporate overlords. I have come to hate these women-run corporations who care more about their metrics than the travails of the average Joe. Oh but you can sense the increased estrogen when it comes to internal diversity discussions regarding women in STEM; I'm sure they're behind the carbon footprint surveys they want us all to take. Sure, I'll get right on that. I'm also sure the H1B's did theirs the day it was rolled out.
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Well I really do think the whole theatrics, are just that, theatrics. It really shows our education and social system sucks and rewards mediocrity instead of punishing it. You should only get first place and everyone else can suck it. I think the other aspect is it is showing that our hiring process is designed to eliminate the possibility of any americans getting the job. But I also think they are trying to set the stage to control a response for a mid term elections issue that they can control, one hopes. If not things are about to get ugly.

Trump is on his way already to ensure a blue wave in the midterms, and possibly even a democrat as the next president. The republicans don't have that much of a majority in ether house and it can be easily over turned. He might have even lost the last election if the candidate had not been Harris.

Trump apparently has no problem with Musk telling Americans who are worried about their jobs being taken by foreigners to "F themselves in the face".

The same Musk, along with Vivek, who will be advising programs to cut and people to lay off. Wonder how many he will recommend to be replaced by his choice immigrant pool from overseas?
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane

Despite New York Post Phone Call, Question and Answer, Donald Trump Companies Do Not Use H1B Visas​


December 29, 2024 | Sundance | 49 Comments
When I read the New York Post article proclaiming that President Trump supports the fraudulent system known as H1B visa hiring, I knew something was amiss because we previously looked at Trump’s various business hires and use of the visa process.

Apparently, the NY Post called President Trump to get him to weigh in on the controversial subject that has been triggered by Elon Musk saying he would “go to war on this issue” to maintain the H1B visa system -and subsequent foreign employment for tech skilled workers- his various companies depend upon.

Here’s the topline takeaway from the article that has triggered many:

(NY POST) President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” added Trump, who restricted access to foreign worker visas in his first administration and has been critical of the program in the past. (more)


However, if you go to the Dept of Labor website, search or download the database of H1B employment, specifically filtering to Trump’s various companies, what you will discover is that Trump Inc doesn’t use the H1B visa system at all. [Check for Yourself Here]

How does this reconcile? Well, having previously looked at the visa use by President Trump in his various companies {SEE HERE}, I can confidently assert (Occam’s Razor) that within the interview President Trump conflated H2B temporary worker visas, which he does use in his service industry, with H1B visas which he does not use.

The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations of distinguished merit and ability. At least that was the intent of the program before it was abused by companies who saw the opportunity to avoid domestic market wages and find alternative cheap sources of skilled labor in the tech sector. That abusive ‘labor diversion’ process has now expanded to find H1B claims in other sectors. So much so, there are now a myriad of companies requesting H1B status employees for their various interests.

The H2B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as “temporary workers” mostly in the service industry where extreme seasonal fluctuations in business make it challenging to hire from a very limited market base. H2B workers are found in hotels, resorts, restaurants and service companies anywhere you find big seasonal shifts in service businesses, like Trump resorts.

As previously noted, Does the word “Snowbird” ring a bell? Florida has a “tourist season” which runs from (generally speaking) just after Thanksgiving to Easter annually. January, February and March are the peak. The first Monday in February is the absolute peak as almost every time-share and hotel unit flips that week.

The volume of work within the service and hospitality industry doubles during the tourist season, and those businesses who hire within the general labor market struggle to increase their labor in relationship to the increase in business. In addition, local workers looking for employment are reluctant to take temporary or “seasonal” jobs, and prefer longer term -more stable- employment.

Many businesses need to double, or in some cases triple, their workforce in order to meet the business demand. As a consequence, many companies, including Trump owned resorts, have used H-2B visa workers to fill the gap between large fluctuations in business and the needed staffing shortfalls. From my own experience, many of the workers are students from South America (Argentina, Brazil, etc) who take the seasonal jobs Nov/Dec – March/April between their college seasons – and then return home.

Bottom line – President Trump is referencing H2B visas which he does use, and not H1B visas which he does not use. Whether President Trump conflated the issue, or whether the Murdoch owned New York Post intentionally constructed their questioning to create a clickbait controversy, is entirely up to the reader to determine. I think it’s likely a combination.

♦ All of that said, the issue of H1B replacement workers displacing American workers is not going away regardless of how uncomfortable it makes the Silicon Valley crowd. Many highly skilled Americans have been impacted by the issue of H1B replacement, and the inherent fraud within the special interest employment system is a critical issue for a large percentage of the MAGA base.

In fact, for context you might remember the 2017 Trump suspension of visas from Muslim countries. In response to that suspension, the state of Washington filed a lawsuit against President Trump seeking an injunction to continue the visas. The main subject of their opposition was the financial impact to Microsoft and the H1B visa use.

BYRON YORK, 2017 – “Why is Washington State mounting such a vigorous challenge to President Trump’s executive order temporarily suspending non-American entry from seven terrorism-plagued countries? Of course there are several lawsuits against the president, and there are lots of motives among the various litigants. But Washington State’s is the suit that stopped the order, at least temporarily. And a look at the state’s case suggests that, behind high-minded rhetoric about religious liberty and constitutional protections, there is a lot of money at stake.

Judging by the briefs filed by Washington State, as well as statements made by its representatives, some of the state’s top priorities in challenging Trump are: 1) To ensure an uninterrupted supply of relatively low-wage H-1B foreign workers for Microsoft and other state businesses; 2) To ensure a continuing flow of high-tuition-paying foreign student visa holders; and 3) To preserve the flow of tax revenues that results from those and other sources.

[…] Washington State argued that its residents have suffered from the Trump order, or might suffer in the future, because some of the state’s biggest businesses rely on H-1B visas, which are often used to bring foreign workers to U.S. companies at lower wages than their American counterparts.

“The technology industry relies heavily on the H-1B visa program,” the Washington State lawsuit said. “Microsoft, a corporation headquartered in Redmond, Washington, is the state’s top employer of high-tech — or H-1B visa holders and employs nearly 5,000 people through the program. Other Washington-based companies, including Amazon, Expedia, and Starbucks, employ thousands of H-1B visa holders.” (link)


Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk (with his influencers) and the tribe in/around Silicon Valley, have placed their flag of influence on this H1B hill. They are willing to do whatever it takes to retain this system, much to the angst of the MAGA supporters who have been victimized by it.

When a system has been so thoroughly corrupted as to now create harm, there should not be a great deal of controversy in suspending that system until the market can correct itself. However, losing control of the H1B visa system is viewed by the Silicon Valley tech group as a non-starter position.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
I also remember reading this book years ago.


Sold Out (book)​


Sold Out: How High-Tech Billionaires & Bipartisan Beltway Crapweasels Are Screwing America's Best & Brightest Workers is a 2015 book authored by Michelle Malkin and John Miano, a displaced high-tech professional, author and attorney who specializes in business immigration law at the policy level.[1]
Sold Out:How High-Tech Billionaires & Bipartisan Beltway Crapweasels Are Screwing America’s Best & Brightest Workers
Cover art for Michelle Malkin's and John Miano's book, Sold Out (2015)

The book confronts the perception of a STEM professional shortage, exposes the flawed economics supporting the perception, and cites findings that offshore outsourcing firms are the predominant users of high-skill temporary employment-visas.[2][3] The book's publication follows media reporting that Pfizer,[4] Southern California Edison,[5] and Walt Disney World to name a few, have each forced hundreds of employees to train their foreign replacements or risk their severance, unemployment eligibility and professional references.[6] Additional studies cited conclude that a high percentage of qualified U.S. STEM professionals are unable to find employment in their field.[4][7]
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
My how times have apparently changed....




Donald J. Trump (1st Term)
45th President of the United States: 2017 - 2021
Statement by Donald J. Trump on Position on Visas
March 03, 2016

"Megyn Kelly asked about highly-skilled immigration. The H-1B program is neither high-skilled nor immigration: these are temporary foreign workers, imported from abroad, for the explicit purpose of substituting for American workers at lower pay. I remain totally committed to eliminating rampant, widespread H-1B abuse and ending outrageous practices such as those that occurred at Disney in Florida when Americans were forced to train their foreign replacements. I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

Donald J. Trump (1st Term), Statement by Donald J. Trump on Position on Visas Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project Statement by Donald J. Trump on Position on Visas | The American Presidency Project
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Big business abusing workers? I have never heard of such a thing. (do I really need the sarc tag?)

Participation Trophies ... Does anything else really need to be said?

Our left-wing popular culture celebrates the lazy, the mediocre and the degenerate .... almost like a communist plan.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
I think we can find common ground.

Offshore the H1-B’s companies and charge a tariff until all the STEM engineers student loans are paid off, and .gov does the buyout on the lost career and current personal debt.

We can float it all on ‘Buy Green’ Greenland bonds and Tasty-Canadian bacon futures.

It only took 168 daze to discover the ride alone persona of the FF’er.

Kind of makes one curious why Gate’s got the recent invite.

What an exciting ryde!

I love this 5-G gaslighting. Gonna sew some velcro hooks to my Darth MAGA hat and wear the expendable Pawn proudly inverted with the DELTA-ECHO 5-G Company Gaslighting Battalion.

WHO-RAW!
 
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vector7

Dot Collector

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
When we were filming Dual Survival we were staying in a 5 star Lodge. One day I asked the Manager if he hired college students during the summer. He said he didn't hire American College students because they all wanted to be managers and wouldn't work. He hired Eastern European college students because they would do any job that needed done.
 

vector7

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Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm kinda giggling over here. The media took the comments/opinions of Musk & Ramaswamy and tried to divide and conquer again. But it's backfiring on them again. MAGA is having a SERIOUS discussion of this (and other) legal immigration law and practices which will likely have the final result be legislative change to the law... and if I can dream big... the overhaul of the WHOLE immigration legal structure. Probably student visas, also.

What the media won't ever admit, is that both those guys' opinions are NOT "policy" much less law. And as far as anyone knows - DOGE is only going to be able to recommend changes. They can't enact them. Some can happen as EOs; mostly, I think people understand it needs to be codified in LAW, that each & every president is responsible for enforcing -- not deciding what they'll enforce or ignore, at whim.
 

Buick Electra

Member of the Early Bird Club

Despite New York Post Phone Call, Question and Answer, Donald Trump Companies Do Not Use H1B Visas


December 29, 2024 | Sundance | 326 Comments

When I read the New York Post article proclaiming that President Trump supports the fraudulent system known as H1B visa hiring, I knew something was amiss because we previously looked at Trump’s various business hires and use of the visa process.

Apparently, the NY Post called President Trump to get him to weigh in on the controversial subject that has been triggered by Elon Musk saying he would “go to war on this issue” to maintain the H1B visa system -and subsequent foreign employment for tech skilled workers- his various companies depend upon.

Here’s the topline takeaway from the article that has triggered many:

(NY POST) President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” added Trump, who restricted access to foreign worker visas in his first administration and has been critical of the program in the past. (more)


However, if you go to the Dept of Labor website, search or download the database of H1B employment, specifically filtering to Trump’s various companies, what you will discover is that Trump Inc doesn’t use the H1B visa system at all. [Check for Yourself Here]

How does this reconcile? Well, having previously looked at the visa use by President Trump in his various companies {SEE HERE}, I can confidently assert (Occam’s Razor) that within the interview President Trump conflated H2B temporary worker visas, which he does use in his service industry, with H1B visas which he does not use.

The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations of distinguished merit and ability. At least that was the intent of the program before it was abused by companies who saw the opportunity to avoid domestic market wages and find alternative cheap sources of skilled labor in the tech sector. That abusive ‘labor diversion’ process has now expanded to find H1B claims in other sectors. So much so, there are now a myriad of companies requesting H1B status employees for their various interests.

The H2B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as “temporary workers” mostly in the service industry where extreme seasonal fluctuations in business make it challenging to hire from a very limited market base. H2B workers are found in hotels, resorts, restaurants and service companies anywhere you find big seasonal shifts in service businesses, like Trump resorts.

As previously noted, Does the word “Snowbird” ring a bell? Florida has a “tourist season” which runs from (generally speaking) just after Thanksgiving to Easter annually. January, February and March are the peak. The first Monday in February is the absolute peak as almost every time-share and hotel unit flips that week.

The volume of work within the service and hospitality industry doubles during the tourist season, and those businesses who hire within the general labor market struggle to increase their labor in relationship to the increase in business. In addition, local workers looking for employment are reluctant to take temporary or “seasonal” jobs, and prefer longer term -more stable- employment.

Many businesses need to double, or in some cases triple, their workforce in order to meet the business demand. As a consequence, many companies, including Trump owned resorts, have used H-2B visa workers to fill the gap between large fluctuations in business and the needed staffing shortfalls. From my own experience, many of the workers are students from South America (Argentina, Brazil, etc) who take the seasonal jobs Nov/Dec – March/April between their college seasons – and then return home.

Bottom line – President Trump is referencing H2B visas which he does use, and not H1B visas which he does not use. Whether President Trump conflated the issue, or whether the Murdoch owned New York Post intentionally constructed their questioning to create a clickbait controversy, is entirely up to the reader to determine. I think it’s likely a combination.

♦ All of that said, the issue of H1B replacement workers displacing American workers is not going away regardless of how uncomfortable it makes the Silicon Valley crowd. Many highly skilled Americans have been impacted by the issue of H1B replacement, and the inherent fraud within the special interest employment system is a critical issue for a large percentage of the MAGA base.

In fact, for context you might remember the 2017 Trump suspension of visas from Muslim countries. In response to that suspension, the state of Washington filed a lawsuit against President Trump seeking an injunction to continue the visas. The main subject of their opposition was the financial impact to Microsoft and the H1B visa use.

BYRON YORK, 2017 – “Why is Washington State mounting such a vigorous challenge to President Trump’s executive order temporarily suspending non-American entry from seven terrorism-plagued countries? Of course there are several lawsuits against the president, and there are lots of motives among the various litigants. But Washington State’s is the suit that stopped the order, at least temporarily. And a look at the state’s case suggests that, behind high-minded rhetoric about religious liberty and constitutional protections, there is a lot of money at stake.

Judging by the briefs filed by Washington State, as well as statements made by its representatives, some of the state’s top priorities in challenging Trump are: 1) To ensure an uninterrupted supply of relatively low-wage H-1B foreign workers for Microsoft and other state businesses; 2) To ensure a continuing flow of high-tuition-paying foreign student visa holders; and 3) To preserve the flow of tax revenues that results from those and other sources.

[…] Washington State argued that its residents have suffered from the Trump order, or might suffer in the future, because some of the state’s biggest businesses rely on H-1B visas, which are often used to bring foreign workers to U.S. companies at lower wages than their American counterparts.

“The technology industry relies heavily on the H-1B visa program,” the Washington State lawsuit said. “Microsoft, a corporation headquartered in Redmond, Washington, is the state’s top employer of high-tech — or H-1B visa holders and employs nearly 5,000 people through the program. Other Washington-based companies, including Amazon, Expedia, and Starbucks, employ thousands of H-1B visa holders.” (link)


Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk (with his influencers) and the tribe in/around Silicon Valley, have placed their flag of influence on this H1B hill. They are willing to do whatever it takes to retain this system, much to the angst of the MAGA supporters who have been victimized by it.

When a system has been so thoroughly corrupted as to now create harm, there should not be a great deal of controversy in suspending that system until the market can correct itself. However, losing control of the H1B visa system is viewed by the Silicon Valley tech group as a non-starter position.

♦ It will be interesting to watch how Silicon Valley’s ally, JD Vance – a political entity wrapped in the cover of Hillbilly values, reacts to this H1B visa and immigration debate.

JD-VAnce-2.png


As we watch the arguments inside the H1B debate, it is worth remembering the group who promoted, pushed and ultimately influenced the JD Vance nomination consisted of: Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Ackman, David Sacks, Chamath Palihapitiya, Jacob Helberg and of course, Vivek Ramaswamy. On the inside of the Trump orbit, the network had Donald Trump Jr also promoting JD Vance.

JD Vance was then invited to be an attendee at the June 6th San Francisco fundraiser for President Trump, hosted by Sacks and Palihapitiya, and that’s likely when the first one-on-one running mate discussion between President Trump and Senator Vance took place.

Usha Chilukuri Vance, the wife of Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, quit her job as a corporate litigator at DNC-affiliated Munger, Tolles & Olson, within minutes of hearing that JD had been selected as President Trump’s Vice-President nominee and running mate. Usha Chilukuri-Vance worked in Washington DC for the firm.

The American workers who Silicon Valley advocate for replacing with foreign workers, are the proverbial “Saxons, with nothing to lose.”

The Big Tech group may not have initiated the background; in fact, the offshoring and replacement cycle was started many years before. However, when you strip a group of Americans of their value, label them, ostracize them, ridicule them, belittle them and then denigrate them for failing to support your abuse, think “rust belt”, you create a group of Americans with nothing left to lose.

Calling people “racist” and “nativist” who voted for President Trump specifically on this issue is not going to work. Musk et al should be very aware that this H1B debate is targeting the “nothing left to lose” American team.

If they think their immigration position is both zero-sum and survivable, think again. There is much for them to lose. The true zero-sum position is already held by a much bigger tribe of American workers who truly do have nothing left to lose.

Silicon Valley ends up fighting an army that will never concede because they have already been stripped of everything they hold dear.

Beware the wrath of the angry Saxon. This immigration topic is Musk, Ramaswamy and Sacks’ first trip into what they call ‘flyover country.’ They are experiencing strong MAGA pushback, something very new and uncomfortable for them, likely for the first time; hence, their emotional reactions.

We understand the UniParty is smiling as they see us debating this issue; however, if Making America Great Again doesn’t benefit working Americans, then what exactly is the point.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
Vivek is correct when he says we choose celebrating the football star over the math whiz and the homecoming queen over the valedictorian. Being a good athlete will get you a college scholarship quicker than will being a brilliant student. Parents who will find the money for a sports camp or perhaps private pitching lessons would never hire a math or other kind of academic tutor.

When my oldest was in 6th grade I raised a stink with the school over their "sports above academics" priorities after my kid winning the schools spelling bee two years in a row did not garner any specific recognition, but then in their annual Field Day came home very proud for having gotten a certificate for coming in 5th place in the long jump. I suggested to the Principal that I doubt any of the kids will get hired or promoted in their careers based on their ability to jump but an inability to spell could perhaps get in the way. I asked why he thought sending my kid home with a certificate for 5th place in the long jump was appropriate but no certificate or any other recognition for winning the school's spelling bee. He got the message and the next thing you know the School Board itself awarded her a certificate at their next meeting. For me this was important because I wanted her to know that academic success mattered too, not just sports. Subsequently the school dropped the spelling bee on account they didn't want kids that lost to feel bad about themselves, but they kept on having Field Day. It is apparently OK for kids to compete in sports but not academics. This is the crap Vivek is talking about, and if anything it has gotten worse in the ensuing years. Just look at the cities watering down the admission standards, or shutting down altogether their elite magnet schools for the best and brightest on account too many Indians/Asians were getting in and not enough Blacks/Hispanics.

My wife has volunteered for many years with a national scholarship program and she says that Indian and Asian kids from immigrant households are winners far beyond their proportional representation because they come from families that value academics and have high expectations of their kids to succeed.
 
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vector7

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wait-n-see

Veteran Member
If you...

-deport 15 million illegals,

-abolish federal income taxes,

-drop energy costs by 50%,

-broker peace in the Middle East, and Ukraine,

-prosecute the election fraud in 2020,

-pardon J6ers,

-and abolish the department of education...

H1B Visa discussion will be less controversial.

View: https://fxtwitter.com/WarlordDilley/status/1873385708372537637?s=19

Also remove providing each H1B candidate a green card allowing them to bring in their relatives.

H1B is also an immigration policy to bring in new legal residents, and eventually citizens, to the US.
 

vector7

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UglyBird

Contributing Member
They've been doing this crap for my entire career. I entered the working world in 1980 with a BSEE and got a good job. One of the trade journals would point out the ridiculous ads "proving" that a company could not find s US engineer for a job. There were impossible requirements like a PhD nuclear engineer with 7 years experience in quantum physics, and a MSEE with 5 years experience in semiconductor design, all for about 40k a year salary. Once they proved to the local state employment agency that there were no takers for that job, they were free to hire a foreign engineer. Of course the job was no where near as specific as the listing. There was a fellow named Irwin Feerst who fought the IEEE tooth and nail to stop this. The IEEE had to change their election criteria in the middle of an election because Irwin was almost voted president and he would have ruined the nice setup they had.

Fast forward to the job I retired from. The engineering and test departments were pretty well gutted and replaced by H1B "talent". Some of those guys were good but a lot of them were just average. We estimated it would a year or two to bring a new engineer up to speed on our complex product and the complex system it lived in. Even if the H1B engineers were fairly good, we had language issues and some of their work was just plain sloppy. A couple of our customers refused to work with these guys in the field, so guess who got to hit the road. I just remembered one of those trips to Canada. I was warned to tell Customs I was coming up to "consult" or "meet" with the clients. If I had said "work", I would not be allowed entry until we proved there was not a Canadian citizen able to do the job. While I was up there I also discovered that I couldn't go hunting or fishing by myself. I had to hire a local guide. They seemed to protect their workers and made sure they had work.

It's good to see all this crap finally exposed, but I'm afraid it's too late. One of Irwin Feerst's pet rants was the social standing treatment of US engineers. In Europe, engineers often sign their names as xxx .eng, much like MD, Esquire or JD in the States. Engineering was a respected profession on the same level as doctors and lawyers. Not so in the States. We're expensive and easily replaced.
 
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