CRISIS Gotta ask, is da sh*t hittin' da fan?

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Dennis, I’m not sure what your definition of panic is. I’ve seen panic - on an individual scale, not the mobs crushing people that were discussed elsewhere - and I haven’t seen too many signs of real panic here on this board. Concern, yes. Justifiably so, in a lot of cases. I’ll give you a list of vulnerable people just in my family - people I care about and really don’t want to lose to some d**n disease that shouldn’t ever have even gotten to this country:

my mother, age 83, still of sound mind and living at home
step-father, late seventies, ditto, has diabetes
brother-in-law in his seventies
sister-in-law who is in her early sixties and has lupus - she’s dependent on periodic infusions of some medication that probably comes from China
three aunts and three uncles, five of them in their eighties
my ex, who has lung cancer (never smoked; he had a malignant melanoma almost thirty years ago, then kidney cancer a few years ago)
a son-in-law who is almost the same age I am, and has had a couple of heart attacks
a brother who has been sick from undetermined causes for several years, and last winter had pneumonia for several months

There are thirteen people on that list, and I could probably add a couple more if I thought about it. Statistically, we could lose two to five of them - depending on if the health system collapses before they catch this virus. I care about every one of them, and so do a lot of other people.

Panic is rushing around unproductively, unable to think clearly. I’m not panicked, and neither are most of the other people here. But we ARE concerned, and justifiably so.

I do think that people are using this to get people all worked up in the hopes of defeating Trump. It’s the same fools who use every mass shooting to try to cram through more restrictive gun laws. And they are going to try to use this to cram through a national health system, too. We need to be aware of that, and don’t let them take more things away that they will never give back.

And we need to be prepared, which is, after all, what this board is here for. Being prepared prevents panic - and it gives us something to do when it still isn’t quite clear what else we need to do, like telling dad to boil water when the baby starts coming.

Kathleen
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
What happens at the end of April?

Peak CoronaChan is two weeks away, according to the best statistical projections I have seen so far. Hell of a birthday present for me ...
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Bullshit (at least so far).

And Jubilee, you’re clearly panicking

I assure you, I’m not panicking. I just happen to work for one of the most prestigious science universities in the world, and we’ve been discussing the data on a daily basis. I’m perfectly content, as I live outside of a town of about 150 people. It’s everyone else I feel badly for. Especially the last holdout DGIs.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Spoke with an upper level exec for one nation’s largest grocery chain and he says they are struggling to keep FOOD in the pipeline. Implication is foods will. Soon go they way of TP. That is when the sheep stampede. That civil panic will be the true damage of the virus, regardless its fatality rate.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Spoke with an upper level exec for one nation’s largest grocery chain and he says they are struggling to keep FOOD in the pipeline. Implication is foods will. Soon go they way of TP. That is when the sheep stampede. That civil panic will be the true damage of the virus, regardless its fatality rate.

Perhaps. On the other hand a lot of the people I heard yakking their heads off today are saying things like they shot their wad for this month and next, their cards are maxed out, their IRS refunds are spent, and they have to catch up on bills they put off. Unless the .gov starts handing out checks like some want them to there may be enough of a gap in spending that the pipeline will have a chance to start filling back up.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Spoke with an upper level exec for one nation’s largest grocery chain and he says they are struggling to keep FOOD in the pipeline. Implication is foods will. Soon go they way of TP. That is when the sheep stampede. That civil panic will be the true damage of the virus, regardless its fatality rate.
Yikes!
 

Merlot

Veteran Member
It's just like a drill sergeant yelling at you. He will call you everything in the book, but in the end, he wont really rip your head off and poop down your neck. The MSM news is mad that no one listened to their coup and now are just going next level to keep you watching, and they will keep doing, it even if it kills you.

At the end of the day, we are talking about a virus whose total kills will be less than what the common flu does in a year.

Don't let them shake you.
 

Fake Shemp

Banned for resurrecting the mayonnaise thread
When folks ask me what I think about this virus situation I say:

I think people are completely overreacting.

It’s being blown way out of proportion by the MSM and the Democrats to make people panic and hurt President Trump.

Just do what you would normally do this time of year and the commonsense precautions you take during any normal flu season.

Go to the package store and buy a case of corona beer.

Flame away.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
I’m going to start a thread on “self-talk” in just a bit.
The only thing I am panicked about is getting the half acre I call a yard cleaned up before spring and I am running late because the trees are blooming and there is another 6 days of rain in the forecast. Figure I need another 5 days of sunny weather to get to maintenance mode
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I’m going to start a thread on “self-talk” in just a bit.

Here:

 

raven

TB Fanatic
Dec 31 - China reported the outbreak to WHO
It was reported to the World Health Organization - so everyone knew about it.
Jan 8 - Iran Launched Ballistic Missiles into Iraq

Isn't a coincidence?
Fed starts repos in Sept.
First cases of corona in China December 1.
China reports to WHO about the virus on Dec 31
Iran launches ballistic missiles on Jan 8
The House delivers articles of Impeachment on Jan 15
This thread begins on Jan 16

Do you believe the House Intelligence Committee (Jerry Nadler) and the Democrats did not know about the coronavirus when they delivered the articles of impeachment on Jan 15th
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
The current US population is 329 million people and rising by the second.

So far, "As of Thursday afternoon, at least 1 ,504 people in 45 states and Washington, D.C., have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a New York Times database, and at least 39 patients with the virus have died.".

That would be 39/329,000,000. Is that really worth all the panic the media is creating?

"Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.".

That would be 3,287/329,000,000

Can you see the difference?
My concern is, what is behind the media and governments push for public panic?
My guess?
Can you say, Trumps chance of winning again compared to Bidens chance of winning?
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Well, there’s that, (pinning the market collapse on Trump), but the BIG thing is to rapidly start shoving us all down the path to cashless currency: the mark of the beast.
 
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changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
As far as the economy goes, parts are slowing down/stopping, other parts are flying at 70 mph. The travel and entertainment industry (NBA, airlines, cruise ships) are suffering, but I bet toilet paper factories are going 24/7. Same with Lysol and purell. If I was in stocks, I would sell airline stocks and buy stock in purell. My sister in law works at a supermarket and she says that as soon as people get off of work they go to the grocery store an go on a buying spree. Hard to keep stuff on the shelves.
 
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Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Here's something I caught from a Chris Martenson video. He's taking this pretty seriously, maybe too much so, but pretty seriously.

covid 19 temperature humidity ranges.png

The long and the short of it is that COVID-19 seems to survive in a certain range of temperature and relative humidity levels. If it's too cold or too hot, or too wet or too dry, it just doesn't function. Makes sense enough; we've seen other viruses work this way.

Anyway, Martenson projects that if the temperature is between 41 and 52 Fahrenheit, or the humidity is between 45 and 80 percent, the virus is active. Outside those ranges in either direction, it's much safer.

Though it makes me wonder, if there's really such a narrow band in which it can exist, how is it living on surfaces? Most places are heated to at least 68 degrees and often higher. Plus most places that are heated have lower humidities, so how can it exist indoors? Maybe I missed something, or maybe it just has reduced effectiveness in those spaces.

Take it for what it's worth, no one's panicking, but that's just what the guy said. Here's the link to the full video--42:27--if you want to see where the screen cap came from.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogf6Hru2trE
 
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Momof5

Senior Member
I have been stocking since I first saw about this virus. Went shopping yesterday, full shelves where I live. Went today, all essentials were gone. All soup, sugar, flour, beans, rice, canned meat. Almost completely gone.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
I would like to see numbers for recoveries too. Those who don't need hospitalization will only get counted for testing positive, not for recovering. That would be most, but in areas where there are enough sick people to swamp the hospitals, of those admitted, how many recovered, and how long on average did it take? The Italian doctors have described extensive organ damage in these cases. If recovery takes weeks, the patients in Italy may be mostly still under hospital care. Wuhan dismantled some of it's temp hospitals...I HOPE those patients got better!
The problem I see with recovered people... They are lost from the system once they test, go home and self treat and then just fade back to normal society. No one has the time to follow up with them... Everyone is busy getting ready for the rush the media is spewing.. I'll repeat myself from another thread... South Korea tested everyone they could, drove the infected numbers up with truth in reporting, then accurately declared the dead.... .6% death rate. point six percent! The only country so far that has attempted to test and report correctly.

We can make the death rate look as big as we want for prime time... Just don't test accurately and then report the dead. make the death percentage up as you go along... Cause the people to panic and use that created fear to control people. I'm reallyu surprised how many people are chasing the lure..
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
I have been stocking since I first saw about this virus. Went shopping yesterday, full shelves where I live. Went today, all essentials were gone. All soup, sugar, flour, beans, rice, canned meat. Almost completely gone.

A little less so out here, but they were BUSY. Apparently, the locals around here were taking the advice of "have three weeks' food on hand" seriously.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
The current US population is 329 million people and rising by the second.

So far, "As of Thursday afternoon, at least 1 ,504 people in 45 states and Washington, D.C., have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a New York Times database, and at least 39 patients with the virus have died.".

That would be 39/329,000,000. Is that really worth all the panic the media is creating?

"Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.".

That would be 3,287/329,000,000

Can you see the difference?
My concern is, what is behind the media and governments push for public panic?
My guess?
Can you say, Trumps chance of winning again compared to Bidens chance of winning?
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Is that you, Joe Biden?

Just kidding, but, your numbers don't add up.
 

To-late

Membership Revoked
What numbers don't add up?
I got them from a genuine USA web site.
I posted the percentages to bring about a thought.
That thought is, that the media has blown everything way out of proportion for its own desired affect.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The problem I see with recovered people... They are lost from the system once they test, go home and self treat and then just fade back to normal society. No one has the time to follow up with them... Everyone is busy getting ready for the rush the media is spewing.. I'll repeat myself from another thread... South Korea tested everyone they could, drove the infected numbers up with truth in reporting, then accurately declared the dead.... .6% death rate. point six percent! The only country so far that has attempted to test and report correctly.

We can make the death rate look as big as we want for prime time... Just don't test accurately and then report the dead. make the death percentage up as you go along... Cause the people to panic and use that created fear to control people. I'm reallyu surprised how many people are chasing the lure..
South Korea is a bad model to look at. They use a test that has up to 15% false positive. They also test much earlier than everyone else. In a disease that can take 6 weeks to die from. We simply have to wait to see if the .6 stays, and adjust it up for the healthy people who were added.

No one should ever believe a country that claims 100% perfect tests.
 

NBCsurvivor

Has No Life - Lives on TB
howdy neighbor -
thanks for the informative and very interesting yip - please do keep us posted


Just checking in again. Howdy back!!!

Haven't read the whole thread, but I'll update with what I have. . .

Dollywood/Dolly Parton Stampede/Pirates Voyage are all closed/delaying opening until 3/28/2020. Quite a few of the local shows are following the same model. Schools are closed until end of month.

Since I last posted, on my property alone, we have had several hundred cancellations due to the KungFlu. This is over the course of several weeks starting from when I first posted & out to or beyond April 2020 (approximately).

People are panic buying in my A.O. This is as bad as I have personally ever seen it. There is still food, but TP, pasta, beans, rice, etc. are in short supply or not found without some effort.

Will post more later.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Yep, da sh** IS HITTING the fan. Now, for the first time EVER, EVERYBODY’S Life will be affected unlike almost every other disaster you can name.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Central Indiana.... we went on a late night trip to Kroger and Meijer last night to snoop around and fill a couple of holes. 9-10 pm.

I have never, ever, seen total areas empty. It’s very surreal. There “is” meats, but not much .
Water, toilet pause on and on. NO CANNED green beans!!
There were eggs, some milk, bread was very thin. People were quiet, but looked grim. I smiled at people as much as I could. No one was rude, but then again it was late and not too many other shoppers. People studiously wiping down cart handles with sanitizer (yay!)

Streets were almost empty.

Cashiers are exhausted. Looked like they hate all of humanity and can you blame them?!

No one knows quite WHAT to do, until we get more information.
 

questionable1

Contributing Member
Let's hope so!
Should be more store runs when people get the "stimulus" checks. TP or TVs? How many TVs is china shipping these days?
I'm watching for utility disruptions due to a lack of parts from China. Anyone in the business know how that's holding up? Its storm season, does ameren stock up to prepare?
 

mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
You're right about whiplash. For a year or two at least like water sloshing around in a tub. Or a tsunami
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Ah, interesting to look back on this thread. It reminds me to always trust my instincts, and to always listen to nudges from the Holy Spirit. I personally know four people who are positive, all are sick but doing fairly well all things considered as they manage the virus in their homes. Two of them have families — one with a husband and kids, one with an elderly father she just visited last week to help him out with shopping before her symptoms presented and she got tested. She maintained distance from him, but is worried he’ll catch it from the grocery bags, etc.

As for me and my hubs, we never panicked. We got our supplies early, bugged in, and haven’t left the house in a week, with plans to stay out for the next 2-3 weeks at least. I’m still working (from home) as is he, and we’ve got our garden in. Spring has arrived here in our neck of the woods, and we are totally content to work and play on our property while we watch the updates daily.

In response to the OP, maybe things will get better, but likely they will get worse. Is it a true SHTF scenario? Probably not, but nothing is impossible to rule out. What I can say is that this is definitely the most SHTF scenario I’ve ever seen in my lifetime, and I’ve learned a lot.

At the end of the day, I’m overall pretty grateful for our blessings, and will continue to pray for the world from our quiet little mountain in the sticks. I’m also grateful to those on this board to saw the seriousness of the situation and boldly spoke up about what they felt was coming down the pike.

As for the “meh” group on this thread... man. You guys are hard to impress! LOL
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
This is what is making it real now for Mr. average Joe six pack. When his professional sports teams are getting shut down for the season it’s a slap across the face. For most people it’s not going to be the virus but the reaction of the herd. Don’t be part of the herd.
This is my contention. The way the crowd handles it is important. The difference between an organized 30K Trump rally and an out of control Riot in Seattle or Portland....
 

crossbowboy

Certifiable
I'm very much like Jubilee above.
The media hypes, that's their essential service.

Not panicking here either, just applying the protocols for infectious disease of unknown characteristics. SOP.

Is it the end of it all? I doubt it. I have noticed some people here aren't giving Humans much credit.
It is one hell of an exercise, however.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
This is what is making it real now for Mr. average Joe six pack. When his professional sports teams are getting shut down for the season it’s a slap across the face. For most people it’s not going to be the virus but the reaction of the herd. Don’t be part of the herd.
Unemployment 3.3 MILLION!!!!!
 
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Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
I has lived up to predictions of changing MANY peoples lives in a measurable, noticeable way. From being locked down with children out of school to jobs being eliminated. Shelter in place orders, restaurants, bars, theaters, sporting events, meetings, beaches, parks and more, all closed since this thread started.

Life without TP (Just kidding).

It will likely condense the death of several hundred thousand elderly in the USA into five months vs five years, and throw in a bunch of other ages for good measure.
 
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