Thank you, Mr President
CRISIS Gotta ask, is da sh*t hittin' da fan?
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Flashyzipp
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Who was here before the Y2K thing? That’s when I found this group I think. We thought for sure the world was ending.
We don’t know how this will play out. It could be bad or nothing, but I really believe the government knows more than they are telling us. They hate losing money and right now, they are losing a ton to preserve lives.
We don’t know how this will play out. It could be bad or nothing, but I really believe the government knows more than they are telling us. They hate losing money and right now, they are losing a ton to preserve lives.
You’re being way overly paranoid NCG.
David Nettleton
Veteran Member
I believe they are buying into the media driven panic. However, what is more important, they want you to know they are a part of the, "I want YOU to know we care about you too" movement. Just watch locally. Schools, churches, most public gathering places may well be shut down because they want you to know that they care about the public welfare like the other places that have shut down. "...they love their money even more." Not in all cases. The venomous hatred for Trump would be worth some loss to the big money people. The CEOs can blame it on the circumstances the virus created for them when secretly they'd be glad if it makes trouble for Trump. To them it would be well worth it.
twobarkingdogs
Veteran Member
Oh, but that’s what I DO want to see. You need to re-read my post. I said that DEATHS ARE THE ONLY NUMBERS BEING REPORTED. NO NUMBERS FOR RECOVERIES. Did you not understand what I wrote? Because I thought I was clear.
The problem I see with the death numbers is that the government isn't really testing for the virus so the numbers are kind of dubious.
How many folks have died in the last month who died with something related to a flu death? How many of those were tested for the kung-flu?
Yes I think that there might me an overreaction with businesses and sports shutting down but since we are not being given all of the facts we can only guess one way or the other. I have basically always prepped so I am leaning on upping my preparedness levels. That doesn't mean I am going to hide in a hole but if the government puts travel restrictions in place for a month or two I will be prepared to ride them out without much change to my standard of living. It just seems to be the smart thing to do.
tbd
Perhaps about the virus. But I don't believe I am paranoid about the economic implications. The country is reacting in ways that will do major damage. Is it an overreaction? Maybe! The numbers don't really support it yet if you just look at where we are now.
Most people just watched their 401k's drop about 30%. In a couple weeks. These are the people who have discretionary income to spend. Let's say they see 50k or 100k or more disappear almost overnight. Guess what... they stay home, they stop spending. Things change.
Some Businesses will shut down, some will stop hiring, some will lay people off. It will happen.
The Hammer
Has No Life - Lives on TB
If anything is making the crap hit the fan, it's the reaction to the virus, and the reactions to the reactions. Stock market has crashed, everyone is outdoing one another in seeing what they can close or cancel.
Meanwhile? The actual US death toll numbers don't seem to be congruent with the sheer level of shameless panic we are seeing right now. Maybe it'll change, but right now this feels like 1938 when people panicked because Orson Welles made a too-realistic radio play of "The War of the Worlds"...
Meanwhile? The actual US death toll numbers don't seem to be congruent with the sheer level of shameless panic we are seeing right now. Maybe it'll change, but right now this feels like 1938 when people panicked because Orson Welles made a too-realistic radio play of "The War of the Worlds"...
vector7
Dot Collector
Yes, you are.
No, you are probably right about that.
So? Retirement funds are meant for retirement. Unless one intends to cash-out in the next couple of months, what you said is relatively meaningless.
Correct. But that’s true EVERY DAY under “normal” circumstances.
Retirement funds are meant for retirement is true but do you honestly believe if the market keeps dropping people won't change their spending?
These are not normal circumstances and if you can't see that.....
Maybe, and I hope that you are right, but the way many governments around the world are behaving, including country wide lock downs that are devastating their economies, I tend to believe that the virus is probably far worse than they are letting on as they try to keep the panic and body counts to a minimum.
I think the key place to watch is Italy as that is the path I think we are following.
On the other hand if this is some crazy elaborate hoax, then I would expect wars and/or revolutions as the victims of the joke learn the truth and decide that once, just this once, the heads of those responsible must be delivered on pikes for all to see.
I am still sticking with the accidental escape of either a bio-weapon or experiment with virus making it more robust, from the China lab and the government of China new what it was and what was possible so they went hard lock down to try and stop it. Then other governments catch wind of the truth and follow suit, but can't tell the public because it would either trigger a huge panic, which we might see shortly anyway, or a demand of war, which isn't off the table either. Hell Trump was setting that up last night when he blamed China, the EU and called it a foreign virus. Besides wars are often used to fix or distract from a failing economy.
Oh, I can see. I see that people and companies in the US are freaking the hell out, as of yet without reason. And if you can’t see that, YOU’RE the nut.
Used Camels
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Coronavirus will bankrupt more people than it kills — and that's the real global emergency
We may look back on coronavirus as the moment when the threads that hold the global economy together came unstuck
www.independent.co.uk
If I keep going back and forth here I am a nut.
I would like to see numbers for recoveries too. Those who don't need hospitalization will only get counted for testing positive, not for recovering. That would be most, but in areas where there are enough sick people to swamp the hospitals, of those admitted, how many recovered, and how long on average did it take? The Italian doctors have described extensive organ damage in these cases. If recovery takes weeks, the patients in Italy may be mostly still under hospital care. Wuhan dismantled some of it's temp hospitals...I HOPE those patients got better!Oh, but that’s what I DO want to see. You need to re-read my post. I said that DEATHS ARE THE ONLY NUMBERS BEING REPORTED. NO NUMBERS FOR RECOVERIES. Did you not understand what I wrote? Because I thought I was clear.
Practical
Veteran Member
I still fall back to my earlier position, watch what the other hand is doing. The funny part for me is how adamant most folks on the board are about the media, don't trust them. But suddenly everything they are saying is gospel. I'm a gonna check out of this, people are firmly in their camps and I don't see anyone changing their mind. Someone please poke me when the media starts reporting all the numbers: Cases/recoveries/fatalities. Think you will be waiting awhile, at least until November 22nd.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Look at this action just today from the Federal Reserve. The crap is hitting the fan. Not directly because of the virus but the virus is the catalyst. If the virus doesn't take us out look what is happening in the credit markets. The money spigot is wide open now. Media hype or not....this is real.
Skyraider
Senior Member
My guess is, those that are alone, with no one to care about or no one to care about them are feeling very quite frisky and superior. Above the fray so to speak. Is it the SHTF? Maybe, I guess we will see. No panic here, but concerned and worried about ourselves and our large family. You bet, both health and fiscal. The whole world is in a conspiracy against Pres. Trump? Give me a break...
Skyraider. Drawbridge up, well prepped, soothing my kids and grandkids. Oh, and don’t bother to come up my lane.
Skyraider. Drawbridge up, well prepped, soothing my kids and grandkids. Oh, and don’t bother to come up my lane.
I find it hard to believe that many of these mega corporations are freaking out without a reasonable reason. I know that my company as well as another couple of very large institutions are working fast and furious to make remote working for as many people as possible as quickly as possible, and that gets to be expensive, so they have their reasons. I imagine that many, including mine, has had some private conversations with the government and have been told they need to move fast.
Rucus Sunday
Veteran Member
No need to thank me. They give me a script and I just read it.
They HAVE a reason: their legal dept.
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
So China, Italy, Iran, France, and other countries are in on this "media driven panic?" Come on now. I think we can at least toss that theory out the window.
Not at all. You’re looking at it one-dimensionally.
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
I may not have been here as long as others, or lived as long as others. But I cannot for the life of me recall any event that shut down Disneyland, the NBA, the MLB, Broadway, the cruise lines, the universities, the Houston Rodeo, etc,. etc., etc.
IMHO, some people are still the frog in the rapidly heating water who still feels like everything is okay. Flashback to a year ago. If someone would have came on here and said "I assure you, within a 30-day window, life as you know it is going to change. Everyone is going to be forced to work from home, schools and universities will shut down, major attractions and theme parks will close, conventions and events will be canceled, theaters and sports leagues will stop, and everyone will become a prepper..."
What would you think? Impossible, right? Nutcase, right? Never going to happen, right? WAY too much money has been lost already with those shut downs, and more is to come. Those big multi-billion dollar franchises are not just going to close up shop just to get back at Trump. That's a helluva lot of money lost.
Time to jump out of that boiling water, my friends.
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hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Even if you are 100% correct, because of all the actions taken we are certainly going into a deep recession. So I would answer yes to the OP's question.
is da sh*t hittin' da fan?
To-late
Membership Revoked
The current US population is 329 million people and rising by the second.
So far, "As of Thursday afternoon, at least 1 ,504 people in 45 states and Washington, D.C., have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a New York Times database, and at least 39 patients with the virus have died.".
That would be 39/329,000,000. Is that really worth all the panic the media is creating?
"Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.".
That would be 3,287/329,000,000
Can you see the difference?
My concern is, what is behind the media and governments push for public panic?
My guess?
Can you say, Trumps chance of winning again compared to Bidens chance of winning?
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So far, "As of Thursday afternoon, at least 1 ,504 people in 45 states and Washington, D.C., have tested positive for coronavirus, according to a New York Times database, and at least 39 patients with the virus have died.".
That would be 39/329,000,000. Is that really worth all the panic the media is creating?
"Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.".
That would be 3,287/329,000,000
Can you see the difference?
My concern is, what is behind the media and governments push for public panic?
My guess?
Can you say, Trumps chance of winning again compared to Bidens chance of winning?
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AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
There's probably a case already there. We have a coronavirus case up the road at Ft. Belvoir military hospital. Wife works on post. She came in at 4 this afternoon, told me there's another case in isolation/ICU at the same place. No clue as to who it is, where they got it, etc. Betting it was a healthcare worker taking care of the first patient. Zero announcement on local press, any press for that matter.
I understand many who "meh" this situation. It's just a case of the flu, etc etc. I do know we're at the tipping point where the sheeple at large go into full herd panic-perhaps by this weekend. Which takes if from "meh" to where's "meh gun". The wheels are beginning to fall off the societal oxcart. The DGI's are panicking. Look at the toilet paper sales, it's like a snow event in Atlanta (someone yells snow there, everybody immediately starts chanting "bread, milk, toilet paper" and goes en masse and destroys every store's inventory within walking or driving distance.) There's a good bit of hype going on with coronavirus, sure. But a lot of it isn't. This situation is either "meh" or "oh sh*t", choose your poison.
I worked county vaccination centers during the H1N1 crisis in 2009. People came to our vaccination sites from all over the east coast because we had vaccine. John and Jane Q Public were fearful and showed it standing in line.
The people scarfing up TP are the same way. There's a semblance of calm so far but it won't take much to tip over the fear apple cart.
So, people can be either meh, or hair on fire spooked. I am holding on to the fear apple cart so far-waiting for society to run and kick it over on it's side. That's where we are as a society.
Also, it was just announced that ALL Smithsonian museums in the DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia) will close on Saturday until.further.notice.
Bullshit (at least so far).
And Jubilee, you’re clearly panicking
And Jubilee, you’re clearly panicking
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
and at least 39 patients with the virus have died.".But did they die from the virus?
Absofreakinglutely. These idiots are the ones that are going to get people killed. And least people forget, the big boys make money whether the stock market goes up or down. There's been a lot of money made the last couple of days by those that know how.
I'm getting hacked off … more than I normally would … watching all the lemmings follow the politically-motivated Pied Pipers. I just hope people are buying waders while they are out there looking for the last pack of toilet paper. The BS is running pretty deep.
Soros is so happy the nutter will probably live another decade or two.
PS, I put an outline of what my day has been like in the BS. Warning, it is long and I'm a little pissy.
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
As I’ve repeatedly said, we should know by the end of April. Until then, I refuse to freak-out.
Used Camels
Inactive
One man's freak-out is another man's salvation.
samus79
Veteran Member
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to learn that China is the driving force behind the current panic, they would love to get Trump out of office. Remember not too long ago we discovered how much influence China wields over the NBA when a few owners and players stepped out of line criticizing the situation in Hong Kong. China wields enormous influence behind the scenes in many other areas.
They have certainly been knocked down a peg with Trumps trade deal and getting hit with this virus was just another kick in the nuts. I could definitely see them trying to take us down with them. It wouldn’t be difficult for them to use their bought and paid for politicians and lackeys in the MSM to drive this panic. They can quietly make threats to the many, many companies that depend on China for cheap manufacturing. I’m sure you can think of many more examples.
I believe this virus is serious and that steps should be taken to protect the public, but it seems to me what’s happening now is a deliberate overreaction intended to do serious damage. JMHO.
They have certainly been knocked down a peg with Trumps trade deal and getting hit with this virus was just another kick in the nuts. I could definitely see them trying to take us down with them. It wouldn’t be difficult for them to use their bought and paid for politicians and lackeys in the MSM to drive this panic. They can quietly make threats to the many, many companies that depend on China for cheap manufacturing. I’m sure you can think of many more examples.
I believe this virus is serious and that steps should be taken to protect the public, but it seems to me what’s happening now is a deliberate overreaction intended to do serious damage. JMHO.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well stated. With the info at public hand perfectly reasonable. I'm not freaked about the pandemic-it's society going apesh*t and panicking (and some other stuff ) that's got me worried now. Not hair on fire yet let's just say "smoldering".
Used Camels
Inactive
What happens at the end of April?
blueinterceptor
Veteran Member
Lets keep this in perspective
1.5 Billion people in China. 75000 infected
30 million Italians with a few thousand infected
USA 330 million people with 1300 infected.
The number of deaths are higher than the flu but not like 20 pct. exercise caution. Those with preexisting conditions should practice the same care as they would for a bad flu season. The markets are taking a hit because its an unknown that has affected many areas. When the weather gets warmer things will get better. The economy will bounce back with an understanding that we should not outsource vital products. There are people that never saw a dr and got over this
1.5 Billion people in China. 75000 infected
30 million Italians with a few thousand infected
USA 330 million people with 1300 infected.
The number of deaths are higher than the flu but not like 20 pct. exercise caution. Those with preexisting conditions should practice the same care as they would for a bad flu season. The markets are taking a hit because its an unknown that has affected many areas. When the weather gets warmer things will get better. The economy will bounce back with an understanding that we should not outsource vital products. There are people that never saw a dr and got over this