CONFIRMED: Trump won't take part in Fox's GOP debate

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TerryK

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I have seen enough of the debate charades.
I am tired of all the networks making the candidates dance like puppets and humiliate themselves for the privilege of being insulted by so called moderators who are the furthest thing from being conservative or impartial. Neither moderators or reporters should ever be the news.
I do believe that Fox had plans to use this debate to do whatever they had to do to influence the outcome of the primaries.

Did you ever ask yourself WHY the networks get to pick the moderators?
Why the networks get to pick the questions?
Did you ever ask yourself how many of the moderators would even vote for a Republican or a conservative?

Wouldn't it be cool if the top 3 contenders could all pass on the Fox debate and agree to all appear together on a live stream debate available to all the public and all networks for free. Questions to be debated could come from citizens across the country with the most popular being selected in each category.
This won't happen because most of the candidates still don't have balls enough to tell the networks and the Party to stick it where the sun don't shine.

This monopoly and control that the MSM and the Party elites have on politics must be broken.
They (networks) and the establishment of both parties have been the king makers for too long.

I will not be watching the Fox debates and after the primaries, I will be dropping the Republican Party and switching to Independent.

We all must realize that the elites in control of the Republican Party will do everything possible to keep Trump from being elected.
If you are for Cruz, you should realize that those same elites will not allow Cruz to be elected either.
Those were the only two candidates I would have considered voting for, yet they are exactly the two candidates the party elite and the networks will do their damnedest to defeat.
 
Lavender

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Yeppers. Sounds like a great idea.

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Heliobas Disciple

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Dennis Olson said:
Here's how I see it: had Fox not released that snarky statement, Trump would have made a big error by doing this. However, Fox DID release that statement. Now Trump will be seen as telling them to shove their snark up their asses. He'll GAIN popularity over it. But he got damn lucky...

JMHO
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I don't think it was luck. I don't think he would have withdrawn had that comment not come out. They opened the door, and he walked through. Fox screwed up with that comment, they gave him the out he was looking for. It's really hard to fault him after a snarky press release like that. They are holding themselves out to be an impartial journalism outlet and come out with a biased insult like that? Shame on them.

I agree with TerryK. The debates are a joke. Has anyone learned anything about the candidates after watching them? Of course not. They're drinking game fodder. Why weren't the questions about issues instead of insults? Why were all the questions meant to provoke a fight? Why is Kasich and other candidates with less than 3% in the polls and have zero chance of being the nominee on the stage stealing valuable time if this was about learning about viable candidates?

So for all those boo hooing over Trump skipping out - do yourself a favor and go to youtube and watch some of the earlier debates - Nixon/JFK, Reagan/Carter, GHWBush/Dukkakis. Watch as the League of Women Voters moderated with respect and asked questions that were meant to get answers, not reactions and viral videos. Then come back and tell me why it's such a pity for the electorate that Trump is missing this ratings driven/money making circus posing as a debate.

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thompson

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Heliobas Disciple said:
He's actually already paving the way for future negotiations with them as well. He's letting everyone in the world know he's unpredictable and that he will walk away from any 'table' if he feels disrespected. That's what we need in today's world - not some pansy who apologizes in advance and lays all his cards face up on the table for everyone to see before the negotiations even begin. The left and the RINOs and the GOPe will try to spin this, but Donald's numbers will go up, not down, after this move. And the USA will start gaining the respect back that we've lost over the last 7 years.

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Exactly.
 
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TerryK said:
I have seen enough of the debate charades.
I am tired of all the networks making the candidates dance like puppets and humiliate themselves for the privilege of being insulted by so called moderators who are the furthest thing from being conservative or impartial. Neither moderators or reporters should ever be the news.
I do believe that Fox had plans to use this debate to do whatever they had to do to influence the outcome of the primaries.

Did you ever ask yourself WHY the networks get to pick the moderators?
Why the networks get to pick the questions?
Did you ever ask yourself how many of the moderators would even vote for a Republican or a conservative?

Wouldn't it be cool if the top 3 contenders could all pass on the Fox debate and agree to all appear together on a live stream debate available to all the public and all networks for free. Questions to be debated could come from citizens across the country with the most popular being selected in each category.
This won't happen because most of the candidates still don't have balls enough to tell the networks and the Party to stick it where the sun don't shine.

This monopoly and control that the MSM and the Party elites have on politics must be broken.
They (networks) and the establishment of both parties have been the king makers for too long.

I will not be watching the Fox debates and after the primaries, I will be dropping the Republican Party and switching to Independent.

We all must realize that the elites in control of the Republican Party will do everything possible to keep Trump from being elected.
If you are for Cruz, you should realize that those same elites will not allow Cruz to be elected either.
Those were the only two candidates I would have considered voting for, yet they are exactly the two candidates the party elite and the networks will do their damnedest to defeat.
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Very well stated. These things aren't debates. Debates are moderated by neutral knowledgeable people who ask the same question of each person so we can hear all their different answers. These so-called debates are like real debates in the same way "reality" shows are like anyone's real life.
 
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Heliobas Disciple said:
I don't think it was luck. I don't think he would have withdrawn had that comment not come out. They opened the door, and he walked through. Fox screwed up with that comment, they gave him the out he was looking for. It's really hard to fault him after a snarky press release like that. They are holding themselves out to be an impartial journalism outlet and come out with a biased insult like that? Shame on them.

I agree with TerryK. The debates are a joke. Has anyone learned anything about the candidates after watching them? Of course not. They're drinking game fodder. Why weren't the questions about issues instead of insults? Why were all the questions meant to provoke a fight? Why is Kasich and other candidates with less than 3% in the polls and have zero chance of being the nominee on the stage stealing valuable time if this was about learning about viable candidates?

So for all those boo hooing over Trump skipping out - do yourself a favor and go to youtube and watch some of the earlier debates - Nixon/JFK, Reagan/Carter, GHWBush/Dukkakis. Watch as the League of Women Voters moderated with respect and asked questions that were meant to get answers, not reactions and viral videos. Then come back and tell me why it's such a pity for the electorate that Trump is missing this ratings driven/money making circus posing as a debate.

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In the press conference clip that Mixin posted (was it on this thread or the one in the POL room, can't remember), Trump said he was going to do the debate until the snark childish crap comment was made.
 
Digital Omnivore

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Fox News and the Republican establishment have tried to control the Republican primaries for a long time.

Fox News treated Ron Paul like crap in 2012 and 2008.

They ignored real conservatives like Tom Tancredo.

The Republican party rallied against Pat Buchanan in 1992 and 1996.

They've constantly done everything they can to elect their establishment RINOs who get into office and cave to democrats. They are indirectly responsible for everything the Republicans and Democrats have screwed the country on in the past 25-30 years.

If nothing else comes out of this election, Donald Trump giving a big middle finger to the Republican establishment and Fox News will be worth it. They sold out their base one too many times.

Fox News is spinning it that Trump is afraid of Meghan Kelly, but the reality is this takes huge balls for him to do. The political playbook says when you're winning the way Trump is right before an election to coast and not make any big moves...like Romney tried to do right before the 2012 election.

Trump will not be intimidated. Nor will he coast. He'd rather go down fighting than go down playing it safe...Good for him.
 
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Digital Omnivore said:
Fox News and the Republican establishment have tried to control the Republican primaries for a long time.

Fox News treated Ron Paul like crap in 2012 and 2008.

They ignored real conservatives like Tom Tancredo.

The Republican party rallied against Pat Buchanan in 1992 and 1996.

They've constantly done everything they can to elect their establishment RINOs who get into office and cave to democrats. They are indirectly responsible for everything the Republicans and Democrats have screwed the country on in the past 25-30 years.

If nothing else comes out of this election, Donald Trump giving a big middle finger to the Republican establishment and Fox News will be worth it. They sold out their base one too many times.

Fox News is spinning it that Trump is afraid of Meghan Kelly, but the reality is this takes huge balls for him to do. The political playbook says when you're winning the way Trump is right before an election to coast and not make any big moves...like Romney tried to do right before the 2012 election.

Trump will not be intimidated. Nor will he coast. He'd rather go down fighting than go down playing it safe...Good for him.
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Watch his poll numbers go stratospheric now. Every sane person in the US hates the MSM almost as much as if not more than they hate slimy weasel politicians.
 
Lavender

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AhhHaaaa. Now I get it.

edit....OopsEeee! I didn't see the sign on Levin's t-shirt before I posted this.

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dstraito

dstraito

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JohnGaltfla said:
I respectfully disagree.

You talk it, you walk it.

If you can't handle Fox News, you can't handle Vladimir Putin (who is winning in Syria, btw).

This is about manning up and growing a pair.

And I don't mean breasts, I mean balls.

Trump is showing weakness and he is about to get 24 hours of being HAMMERED for this.
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I think he has a pretty big pair, he isn't going to let anyone push him around. That is what politics as usual is all about.

It isn't hurt feelings driving this decision it is allowing a partisan hack to be there when they should have been disqualified based on their behavior.

This is a win win for trump. There is nothing left to debate, they have already said it all. If he doesn't attend,he does something else and his ratings go up, causing Fox to have lesser ratings. If they give in he wins for being in control.
 
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Coulter

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Digital Omnivore said:
Fox News and the Republican establishment have tried to control the Republican primaries for a long time.

Fox News treated Ron Paul like crap in 2012 and 2008.

They ignored real conservatives like Tom Tancredo.

The Republican party rallied against Pat Buchanan in 1992 and 1996.

They've constantly done everything they can to elect their establishment RINOs who get into office and cave to democrats. They are indirectly responsible for everything the Republicans and Democrats have screwed the country on in the past 25-30 years.

If nothing else comes out of this election, Donald Trump giving a big middle finger to the Republican establishment and Fox News will be worth it. They sold out their base one too many times.

Fox News is spinning it that Trump is afraid of Meghan Kelly, but the reality is this takes huge balls for him to do. The political playbook says when you're winning the way Trump is right before an election to coast and not make any big moves...like Romney tried to do right before the 2012 election.

Trump will not be intimidated. Nor will he coast. He'd rather go down fighting than go down playing it safe...Good for him.
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Right on.
 
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TerryK

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If the candidates will so easily dance to the tune of the liberal moderators and liberal networks imagine what they will do for those powerful elites behind the scenes.
 
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dstraito said:
I think he has a pretty big pair, he isn't going to let anyone push him around. That is what politics as usual is all about.

It isn't hurt feelings driving this decision it is allowing a partisan hack to be there when they should have been disqualified based on their behavior.

This is a win win for trump. There is nothing left to debate, they have already said it all. If he doesn't attend,he does something else and his ratings go up, causing Fox to have lesser ratings. If they give in he wins for being in control.
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Concur, 100%, dstraito.

John, being forced into the Repubican/msm cookie cutter of "acceptable" thought, is anathema to the very tenants postulated and fought for, by our forefathers...

For far too long, we've been forced to accept "least worst." The bullshit of the past won't fly anymore- unless the patriots of this country rollover and die... God forbid that this once great nation, founded under God's Direction and Precepts, should do so, for then, He would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah... If it be so, that we will not fight for His nation, we deserve to have The Fire, of His Indignation and Wrath, fall...

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Lavender

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Ha! Jeb Bush sent a tweet to Trump's Twitter about not wanting Megyn Kelly to be a moderator. You should read the tweets back to Jeb. His eyes have probably melted by now. https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/692059413918646273

Jeb Bush þ@JebBush · 8h8 hours ago
.@realDonaldTrump Do you know who else is scared of tough qs from Fox & @megynkelly? Barack Obama. Enough whining.
 
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Mixin

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Most viewers I saw on the Right Side stream: 15,689

I missed this on CNN but the tweet source seems legit..

Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 58 minutes ago
Per Trump source: Trump's position now is he is chairman of his company and he will only deal with Murdoch at a chairman-to-chairman level

Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 1h
Trump source says Trump isn't taking Ailes calls. Hannity just tried calling trump as an emissary. Trump only wants to deal with Murdoch now

Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 15h15 hours ago
The hilarious thing about Trump's preemptive threat to leak gossip about Kelly is that's what Fox PR historically would be doing to him...

Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 16h16 hours ago
Most interesting development of Trump-Fox feud? His hint he could leak dirt on Megyn Kelly. "Maybe I know too much about her," he told CNN.

https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman
 
Hansa44

Hansa44

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This isn't about Megan Kelly. The MSM was ordered to "bring down Trump."
They have made his life a living hell for 5 months now. You know that ol' saying that payback is a bitch.

Every rally he's had he shows how many MSM he talks about. All the camera.s that are there. " they Always show his face and never NEVER show how many people are there like they do with Hitlery and Sanders. And Trump has 1000's at his rally.

I am not going to debate what Trumps plan is but I have a feeling he's not done with them yet.
 
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Hansa44 said:
This isn't about Megan Kelly. The MSM was ordered to "bring down Trump."
They have made his life a living hell for 5 months now. You know that ol' saying that payback is a bitch.

Every rally he's had he shows how many MSM he talks about. All the camera.s that are there. " they Always show his face and never NEVER show how many people are there like they do with Hitlery and Sanders. And Trump has 1000's at his rally.

I am not going to debate what Trumps plan is but I have a feeling he's not done with them yet.
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Since there is a thread here and in the POL room about this, I can't remember which thread has the info that Trump is saying he will only deal with Murdoch, since Murdoch is the CEO of Fox, and Trump is CEO of Trump inc. or whatever his company is called. Trump is looking like the only sane person and only adult in all this. And Fox etc is falsely focusing on Kelly, you are absolutely right, it is the entire evil edifice of the MSM.
 
Dennis Olson

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In Fox's statement above, they accuse him of "abandoning Iowans", when in reality he is abondoning FOX. You can smell their fear. THE PEOPLE will clearly see that Fox drew first blood, and now Trump is rubbing their corporate nose in their own shit.

I, and the people of this country, love that. Watch and see...
 
Namsgrls

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I very rarely, if ever, comment on political threads, but this one is different. In my younger days I was a democrat, and a very liberal one at that. I'm not exactly sure when that all started to change, but it did.

My dh and myself have both changed to Independent, as I don't want any part of the Republican Party either. If he's still on the ballot, my vote goes to Donald Trump.

It's not about him, but it's about his message. It could be Mickey Mouse as far as I'm concerned, and if the message was the same, I would vote for him. I'm sick and tired of the direction this country is going, and I'm sure that it's only going to get worse if Hillary gets elected. I have too many little ones in my family coming up, and I want them to have some part of the country in which I grew up.

I'm glad he's not going to participate in the debate. I detest weakness, and that's what we have in this current administration. I truly feel that electing Trump may be our last, best hope. I never thought I would see my country become unrecognizable to me....so sad! The funny thing is, I never took him seriously at first....but I get the gut feeling that he's the real deal. If he can do even half of what he says, then we're in better shape than we are now.

Btw...I hope Fox News crashes and burns over this!
 
bad_karma00

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I seriously doubt that Trump makes a single move that he hasn't already thought out through the next six moves. He acts and sounds like a blow-hard, knee-jerk type, and time after time people seem to buy it and treat him accordingly. And when they do, he yanks the rug out from under them.


If he hosts an event that coincides with the debate, especially if he gets high powered or high profile guests or hosts a mass 'town hall' kind of meeting somewhere allowing people to ask questions of him on live television, then I predict that his ratings will be better than Fox's 'duhbate'.

There's no way he didn't plan this exactly like it is. He MAY have DELIBERATELY engineered this to get Rand Paul back on the stage (if that's what happens) because votes that Paul takes would like as not come from who? Cruz, that's who. Just a WAG on this one, but not one I'd put past someone as wily as Trump is.

He may or may not win the election, no way I'd speculate on that. But don't ever make the mistake of thinking that any of this is being done off the cuff. Trump is a plotter and planner. His day is probably planned out to the minute before he leaves his house in the morning. And if all this leaves world leaders underestimating him, well. . .who does that work for exactly?

Just my two pennies I admit, but I am enjoying the show:popcorn1:

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Laurane

Laurane

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The rally on 28th during the Debate time frame is now missing from DT's scheduled events......wonder if the Events Center in Des Moines cancelled on him......nothing else listed for that day for him.
 
Dinghy

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I think this is a very smart move on Trump's part. By donating the proceeds to the Wounded Warriors, he will be gaining the support of most of the veterans. And after requesting that Fox give money to them, and their subsequent refusal, they will look even worse than before.
 
Bubble Head

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The sole purpose of the Meg Kelly debate was to destroy Trump. Fox set their trap and Trump spring it on them. They are left sucking their thumbs without Trump since the whole show was already orchestrated. Trump just showed Murdock the art of the deal. How does it feel Fox? No plan to go with and hours to reset the stage. Do you think Meg can come up with a real question on her own? I doubt it. Back to hooking in GQ Magazine.
I am going to need a whole lot more popcorn in my preps for this one.:popcorn1:
 
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