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Yikes, nitrile gloves not enough? N100 only good for 20 minutes?
EBOLA 2nd Confirmed Ebola Case In US (Dallas #2) CDC Confirms 10/12
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Yikes, nitrile gloves not enough? N100 only good for 20 minutes?
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Go to the main Ebola thread and whoa, not much there. On this thread which in one day, is nearly as many posts as the two week thread, I learn about LAX pax., BSLIV considerations, fomites, interaction with aids, etc., on and on. Hmmmm. Seems as though hysteria trumps the rules of the board.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I keep calm and act with discipline when there's an elephant in the room.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I keep calm and act with discipline when there's an elephant in the room.
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helen
Panic Sex Lady
Well I for one have been having a lovely time here today.
Panic Sex Lady is safely at home not getting bitten by zombies ...
PyratePrincess
Deceased
Oh yeah...and the uber rich in Highland Park (where he lives) have turned him into a social pariah. MAYBE...one of these idiots will pay the price for their abject stupidity.
Hansa44
Justine Case
JDSeese
Veteran Member
I stopped to put gas in the family van on the way home from dinner at the great-grandparents
Noticed how many people getting out of their vehicles were coughing and sneezing
In tribute to Tallahassee, I went into the shop and bought some Twinkies. Never know when they might be the last ones ever.
Noticed how many people getting out of their vehicles were coughing and sneezing
In tribute to Tallahassee, I went into the shop and bought some Twinkies. Never know when they might be the last ones ever.
helen
Panic Sex Lady
Be Well
may all be well
Oh. And if it was on the thread, I figure it was okay for someone else to say something. I thought it was about using LV2 gear for caring for Ebola patients. I should read more carefully I guess.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
helen
Panic Sex Lady
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/man-quarantined-in-boston-hospital-with-possible-ebola-symptoms/
What is wrong with this picture? Only two guys have respirators and face covers.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-conte...4_binary_LYNXNPEA9B0GT-FILEDIMAGE-800x430.jpg
What is wrong with this picture? Only two guys have respirators and face covers.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-conte...4_binary_LYNXNPEA9B0GT-FILEDIMAGE-800x430.jpg
Tom McDowell
BAMN
I stopped to put gas in the family van on the way home from dinner at the great-grandparents
Noticed how many people getting out of their vehicles were coughing and sneezing
In tribute to Tallahassee, I went into the shop and bought some Twinkies. Never know when they might be the last ones ever.
Note to self - buy a case of Twinkies.
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Mama Ten Bears
Veteran Member
I hate to complain, but can we keep this thread for Dallas, and post the news relating to L.A. and Boston on their threads? I live in DFW, and I don't want to have to slog through Boston info to find Dallas info. Hope that is a fair request.
It just occurred to Me that 'Thomas Eric Duncan' is NOT an African Tribal Name. He has an 'American' name..Does that not spark a 'Red Flag' for anyone? It's been a supposed 19 years since He last saw His relatives In Texas..what's up with that?
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This Oct. 10, 2014 photo shows Josephus Weeks, nephew of ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan who died on Oct. 8 in Dallas, looking at hundreds of pages of medical documents in a hotel room in Kannapolis, N.C. ALLEN BREED — AP
NORTH CAROLINA???
Read more here: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/10/11/3198014/records-chronicle-duncans-fatal.html#storylink=cpy
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This Oct. 10, 2014 photo shows Josephus Weeks, nephew of ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan who died on Oct. 8 in Dallas, looking at hundreds of pages of medical documents in a hotel room in Kannapolis, N.C. ALLEN BREED — AP
NORTH CAROLINA???
Read more here: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/10/11/3198014/records-chronicle-duncans-fatal.html#storylink=cpy
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helen
Panic Sex Lady
Yes, Mama ...
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Many family names in Liberia are taken from American slave owners. Sawyer, the man who infected Nigeria, was likely a descendant from a slave owner named Sawyer, same with Duncan.
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ETA Liberia is not a Tribal name either.
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Yes, this thread needs to stay about Dallas. And on that note, y'all might want to check out the new thread in the Bomb Shelter.
workerbee
* Winter is Coming *
Thanks Tom..I just found it odd in the 21st century. I knew Slave Masters gave the 'House' name to their slaves back in the days of George Washington but just wow..
emeraldrose
Contributing Member
My cousin is a RN in DFW she told me among her friends there's two trains of thought either the government has all under control or complete panic. Her train of thought is there's a lot of CYA going on. She lives 5 miles from this hospital. She is not very comfortable right now.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
You are most welcome.
Google history of Liberia, Lincoln might of had a hand (sending the freed slaves back to Africa), in helping set up their constitutional government.
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Tom McDowell
BAMN
Thinking aloud here IRT Dallas.
I am suspecting more than a few cases are in the works. Those fellows at the presser this morning were not all Unicorns, rainbows and Skittles.
FWIW, when doctors and scientists use the word, 'concern,' that aint good. Substitute the word for concern, for a passive form of OMG. Grave means dead, concern means - we all might be dead.
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I am suspecting more than a few cases are in the works. Those fellows at the presser this morning were not all Unicorns, rainbows and Skittles.
FWIW, when doctors and scientists use the word, 'concern,' that aint good. Substitute the word for concern, for a passive form of OMG. Grave means dead, concern means - we all might be dead.
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Tom McDowell
BAMN
Forgot one more thing that might tickle your tinfoil: What do Dallas and Liberia have in common?
JFK
ETA Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Medical_Center_(Liberia)
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Medical Maven
Deceased
And further, no one should expect a HCW to selflessly sacrifice herself while equipped with LV2 PPE. It is not her job to risk her life for somebody who, as of now, has a 70 per cent chance of dying. And to risk your life that way is not being caring or professional. It is just plain stupid and counterproductive in the long run. And I don't care if they are making a million bucks a year. They don't owe anybody that. We need the HCWs alive for what comes after and for the other health care emergencies now that can be remedied without risking one's life.
So what do we do with the Ebola patients when they become too numerous for the LV4 facilities? Then it is up to the families or FEMA. Take your pick.
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
This Dallas development is like going back 16 years to TB2K home room. Only this would have been considered poorly written lame implausible fanfiction scenario then, the most deadly known pathogen handled so idiotically. Just read thread in Bomb Shelter. Need more Depends. Seriously and literally, because riding it out at home is obvious. Hopefully it will all poof and disappear.
angelight
love, light and laughter
I know it is late in the game, but listened to Dr. Varga (sp) again from the press conference this am- repeated I think it was three times that they had complied with CDC guidelines for PPE. Then went on to state nurse was wearing " GOWN, GLOVES,MASK AND FACE SHIELD". NO mention of tyvek suit ir respirator mask.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Hands on ears - La la la la la.
Aside from that I'm waiting for your utterly scathing commentary on the whole Thomas Duncan Affair.
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iboya
Veteran Member
Here it is from 2:01-2:04
"Texas Health Resources has been monitoring 18 patients"
At 1:41 is the first "Dr. Varga needs to leave" after mentioning 18 employees
At 2:52 the news conference is cut short
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNTmPqrD5k8
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"Texas Health Resources has been monitoring 18 patients"
At 1:41 is the first "Dr. Varga needs to leave" after mentioning 18 employees
At 2:52 the news conference is cut short
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workerbee
* Winter is Coming *
PPE is what every healthcare worker is advised to use = same as Universal Precautions = Gown, Gloves, Mask, Goggles/Face Shield.
This is standard procedure.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Not for a Bio Safety Level IV Pathogen.
I suppose they'll (the CDC) will downgrade it to a BSL-2 soon.
Pixie at PFI writes:
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Note that Dr. Varga was very specific in stating that the nurse was following "CDC precautions" and that those precautions included "a mask, gown, and gloves."
That is quite different from an impermeable full head-to-toe covering suit and hood, which is what most laymen would consider the only standard that could logically be called "full protective gear" in light of the fact that the virus under discussion is Ebola.
Only on Planet Frieden are mask/gloves/gown "full protection" against BSL-4 EBOLA.
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SusieSunshine
Veteran Member
IDK, maybe this needs it's own thread.
Attorney general attempts to block Ebola waste disposal in Louisiana
Louisiana attorney general Buddy Caldwell is filing a temporary restraining order to keep incinerated Ebola waste in Texas.
Caldwell plans to block the disposal of potentially contaminated items from Thomas Duncan's apartment at a landfill in Louisiana, citing "too many unknowns" about the disease in a press release.
Duncan's personal belongings were sent in several trucks to the Veolia Environmental Services incinerator in Port Arthur, TX on Friday. The waste was to be transported to Louisiana for its final disposal.
The Beaumont Enterprise reported that the waste would be analyzed over a period of a couple days "for any remaining organics or polychlorinated biphenyls, also known as PCBs."
But Caldwell said the state can't afford to take any risks.
"We certainly share sadness and compassion for those who have lost their lives and loved ones to this terrible virus," Caldwell said in the release, "but the health and safety of our Louisiana citizens is our top priority."
"It is absurd to transport potentially hazardous Ebola waste across state lines," the statement continues.
The Louisiana Attorney General's Office application for a temporary restraining order is underway, and is expected to be filed as early as Monday morning.
Caldwell's office has requested more information on the waste disposal process from Texas state and federal officials, according to the release.
Attorney general attempts to block Ebola waste disposal in Louisiana
Louisiana attorney general Buddy Caldwell is filing a temporary restraining order to keep incinerated Ebola waste in Texas.
Caldwell plans to block the disposal of potentially contaminated items from Thomas Duncan's apartment at a landfill in Louisiana, citing "too many unknowns" about the disease in a press release.
Duncan's personal belongings were sent in several trucks to the Veolia Environmental Services incinerator in Port Arthur, TX on Friday. The waste was to be transported to Louisiana for its final disposal.
The Beaumont Enterprise reported that the waste would be analyzed over a period of a couple days "for any remaining organics or polychlorinated biphenyls, also known as PCBs."
But Caldwell said the state can't afford to take any risks.
"We certainly share sadness and compassion for those who have lost their lives and loved ones to this terrible virus," Caldwell said in the release, "but the health and safety of our Louisiana citizens is our top priority."
"It is absurd to transport potentially hazardous Ebola waste across state lines," the statement continues.
The Louisiana Attorney General's Office application for a temporary restraining order is underway, and is expected to be filed as early as Monday morning.
Caldwell's office has requested more information on the waste disposal process from Texas state and federal officials, according to the release.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Here's what workers in a BSL-4 lab work in.
Caption CDC workers in a BSL4 Lab
caption: Woman working in a BSL-4 laboratory. She is wearing a full positive pressure suit.
Here's Bio level safety 3 garb (minus the goggles/face shield):
quote:
The site where I am based is designated a bio-safety laboratory level 3 – the classification reserved for highly infectious pathogens, which, to protect the public, must be contained under fail-safe conditions.
My special concern is the airborne micro-organism mycobacterium tuberculosis, which causes TB. I grow live bacteria and conduct careful experiments with compounds developed by our chemists. Right now I have several test-tubes under observation, any one of which could harbour a future generation of TB-fighting drugs.
Getting “suited-up” every morning is quite a performance. We start with protective shoes and light-blue jumpsuits and work our way up to face-masks equipped with air-cleansing filters, disposable caps and two pairs of gloves. For added security the laboratory is kept at negative pressure, which means that while air can flow in, it cannot flow out.
Graduates new to the site can initially find it rather nerve-racking. Working with infectious micro-organisms may not be everybody’s cup of tea; but if you respect the bacterium, it respects you.
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The CDC (reccomends) has people working with a level four pathogen in level two/almost three, garb.
And hospital staff is operating in at best a level 2 environment.
What can go wrong?
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Caption CDC workers in a BSL4 Lab
caption: Woman working in a BSL-4 laboratory. She is wearing a full positive pressure suit.
Here's Bio level safety 3 garb (minus the goggles/face shield):
quote:
The site where I am based is designated a bio-safety laboratory level 3 – the classification reserved for highly infectious pathogens, which, to protect the public, must be contained under fail-safe conditions.
My special concern is the airborne micro-organism mycobacterium tuberculosis, which causes TB. I grow live bacteria and conduct careful experiments with compounds developed by our chemists. Right now I have several test-tubes under observation, any one of which could harbour a future generation of TB-fighting drugs.
Getting “suited-up” every morning is quite a performance. We start with protective shoes and light-blue jumpsuits and work our way up to face-masks equipped with air-cleansing filters, disposable caps and two pairs of gloves. For added security the laboratory is kept at negative pressure, which means that while air can flow in, it cannot flow out.
Graduates new to the site can initially find it rather nerve-racking. Working with infectious micro-organisms may not be everybody’s cup of tea; but if you respect the bacterium, it respects you.
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The CDC (reccomends) has people working with a level four pathogen in level two/almost three, garb.
And hospital staff is operating in at best a level 2 environment.
What can go wrong?
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workerbee
* Winter is Coming *
I'm only saying based on their definition of gloves, gown, mask, faceshield/goggles that this is the normal requirement for PPE in the normal healthcare setting.
I'm not saying it's appropriate for Ebola.
It's obviously not.
But by their definition TODAY what is required is basic Universal Precautions.
I know what you have all said should be required for Ebola.
I do NOT disagree.
OUR problem is that these dipshits are spelling out the criteria, and these freaking EXPERTS are implementing insufficient protocol.
I'm not saying it's appropriate for Ebola.
It's obviously not.
But by their definition TODAY what is required is basic Universal Precautions.
I know what you have all said should be required for Ebola.
I do NOT disagree.
OUR problem is that these dipshits are spelling out the criteria, and these freaking EXPERTS are implementing insufficient protocol.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Cascadians
Leska Emerald Adams
Tom, it has gone too far down the rabbit hole for commentary.
helen
Panic Sex Lady
And here we go ... long article ... defends the nurse ...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/13/us-health-ebola-usa-nurse-idUSKCN0I206820141013
CDC head criticized for blaming 'protocol breach' as nurse gets Ebola
...Some experts also question the CDC’s assertion that any U.S. hospital should be prepared to treat an Ebola patient as the outbreak ravaging West Africa begins to spread globally. Given the level of training required to do the job safely, U.S. health authorities should consider designating a hospital in each region as the go-to facility for Ebola, they said.
...Legal experts said the Dallas nurse may be entitled to compensation if the hospital carries workers' compensation insurance. If it doesn’t, she would have the right to sue the hospital for damages under Texas law, said Jay Harvey, a lawyer in Austin, Texas.
Her ability to show that the hospital was negligent by, for example, not providing proper training, would be key to winning such a suit, Harvey said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/13/us-health-ebola-usa-nurse-idUSKCN0I206820141013
CDC head criticized for blaming 'protocol breach' as nurse gets Ebola
...Some experts also question the CDC’s assertion that any U.S. hospital should be prepared to treat an Ebola patient as the outbreak ravaging West Africa begins to spread globally. Given the level of training required to do the job safely, U.S. health authorities should consider designating a hospital in each region as the go-to facility for Ebola, they said.
...Legal experts said the Dallas nurse may be entitled to compensation if the hospital carries workers' compensation insurance. If it doesn’t, she would have the right to sue the hospital for damages under Texas law, said Jay Harvey, a lawyer in Austin, Texas.
Her ability to show that the hospital was negligent by, for example, not providing proper training, would be key to winning such a suit, Harvey said.
helen
Panic Sex Lady
Mprepared
Veteran Member
Analyze it, PCBS! Who cares about PCBs?
Mark Armstrong
Veteran Member
The tradition of freed slaves taking the name of the masters who freed them goes back to antiquity. Roman playwright Publius Terentius Afer, commonly known as "Terence," who lived B.C.185-B.C.159, was a slave from North Africa that was bought by Roman senator P. Terentius Lucanus, brought to the Roman Republic, educated, and then freed. Terence went on to write comedies adapted from earlier Greek plays, somewhat in the manner of the earlier Roman playwright Titus Maccius Plautus.