EBOLA 2nd Confirmed Ebola Case In US (Dallas #2) CDC Confirms 10/12

[Baloo]

I agree totally, but I also think they need to shut the visas down from the West African countries that have these infections. We are woefully unprepared for this. Especially given the fact it takes so long to know when one is infected.

And they need to be using a minimum of LV2 gear when bodily fluids are being forcefully released from the body. Hospital gowns and masks are for protecting the patient from infection, not for protecting the HCWs.

Agree 100% on border control. Never will happen though due to ideology of Obama/Dems.

Disagree on Lv2. CDC says Ebola is LV4 (for research), so needs to re-issue guidelines to HCW that says LV4 protection required, not Lv2 (again, never will happen) or reclassify as Lv2.

 

[prepgirl44]

This is what will take down health care. Fast.
Nurses are used to taking this type of crap but this time, hell no.

That's right!
Not. This. Time.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

I think that is what KKC is now doing on his Ebola Headcount thread.

I was doing it early on on the stickied Ebola Tracking thread but it became almost a fulltime job so it is way behind at this point.

Forgot about his thread.

 

[Hansa44]

25 Lv4 beds actually but 5 more don't really make that much difference.

The bigger issue long-term is that there are only about 1.8 million TOTAL hospital beds in the whole country. That's enough for .6% of the US population to be in the hospital at the same time.

Beds are worthless if there are only a few or no nurses to take care of the sick. After what has happened to the nurse that has ebola and how she was blaimed, I suspect fewer and fewer nurses will show up for work.

 

[Possible Impact]

I used to be a research scientist. We are not talking about "people" we are talking about the US GOVT. They should have flown Duncan to a LV4 facility. If that happened the Nurse would be fine today.

I also believe its irresponsible for the Govt to classify Ebola as a LV4 Pathogen and then CDC issues LV2 guidelines for HCW. End of my story.

(And billed the Government of Liberia for the full cost.)

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Good twitter site for the LAX drama.

https://twitter.com/Gingerhazing -- she is on the plane

I love the pilots statement and her tweets.

 

[Melodi]

If she survives it :/

[Worker's Compensation Case]

I used to work in the State Agency that oversaw worker's compensation claims for over five years in Colorado - even if she dies, the family will have rights especially if this goes to court. State have different rules, so I can't say what exactly would happen, but usually it won't matter if there was a simple "mistake made," because she was still injured/exposed at work. Where it might make a difference is in a law suit (or if the claim is fought rather than settled which in these cases is more common, usually with a gag order) because then "fault" could be argued in terms of awarding or prevent excess damages but at this point all of her health care bills are already likely to be disputed between the insurance companies unless the hospital "Self insurances." I saw lots of cases like that where the regular health insurance stopped paying bill the moment they realized the person was injured at work or if they did keep paying they started preparing legal claims on the worker's compensation insurer.

This is also how people ended up being forced into law suits (either the injured party or their family) health insurance company would demand that the family/patient join them in suing the worker's compensation insurance company and/or the employer if they were illegal uninsured or self-insured. If the family or patient did not go with the law suit program they were told that not only would not further bills be paid by the health insurer but that they would be liable for all the bills so far that had resulted from the injury. I never knew any family that didn't go along after the threat's were made to withhold further treatment and possibly be held liable for the medical bills which the health insurance company could legal refuse to pay since it was a work related accident.

 

[Be Well]

Karl Denninger nailed it:

"They are just trying to prevent panic.
Not disease."

That should go viral, if I may be so bold...

 

[Beach]

Agree 100% on border control. Never will happen though due to ideology of Obama/Dems.

Disagree on Lv2. CDC says Ebola is LV4 (for research), so needs to re-issue guidelines to HCW that says LV4 protection required, not Lv2 (again, never will happen) or reclassify as Lv2.

But you stated it yourself, we can't have LV4 protection at every hospital. Don't you think it would be advisable for the HCWs to use LV2, which is available at every hospital, to treat people with ebola-like or flu-like symptoms?

We very likely wouldn't have a second case if that had been done.

Or do you think that every person with ebola-like or flu-like symptoms should be flown to Nebraska or Georgia, where there are a total of only 24 beds, even before they have tested positive?

 

[prepgirl44]

If he was refilling a prescription, then are we to conclude that he had already been to the facility with some kind of symptoms of illness and wasn't getting better so he returned to refill a prescription they had written for him previously? It's hard to tell what they're saying........what made the staff run out after him to prevent him from leaving? This is a little confusing.....but i have no doubt the truth will come out at some point........might be another case of "screening error" if this guy had indeed already been to that facility.......It looks like he had because he was, according to the article, refilling a prescription.

Maybe he'd been treated as an inpatient during that window of time and was picking up a refill of a medication prescribed at discharge....

Or, maybe all staff has been alerted to report any complaints of the specific symptoms and he was verbalizing symptoms....

Or both...

Just thinking out loud here.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Beds are worthless if there are only a few or no nurses to take care of the sick. After what has happened to the nurse that has ebola and how she was blaimed, I suspect fewer and fewer nurses will show up for work.

Think Liberia and Sierra Leone. Their "hospitals" have often become just places to go to die with very few HCW present.

In a worst case scenario...just sayin'

 

[Be Well]

If Duncan's family is indeed asymptomatic, and if nobody in the health care system was infected at the time of Duncan's first visit on Sept. 25th, the fact that we have an infected HCW who treated Duncan in his terminal stages suggests that this disease is actually not all that contagious until symptoms are advanced. This would be good news for the public and very bad news for HCWs.

ANd that would be nice except for evidence from W. Africa that people got Ebola from non-symptomatic people; at least 2 nurses from holding a baby that had no symptoms. And 12 other nurses got from another baby w/ no symptoms, and 11 of them died.

 

[Be Well]

His family were around him until the 28th, so if they don't start having "initial" symptoms by Oct 19th and obvious symptoms by the end of October, then I will consider them in the clear. Not before that.

And I want to SEE them at that point, not just read words stating that they're fine.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

(And billed the Government of Liberia for the full cost.)

Did you know that the US government spends more in about 80 MINUTES than the entire ANNUAL budget of the country of Liberia? Yea, its true.

 

[Cascadians]

Drudge headlines: CDC: Center for Disease Confusion

 

[Be Well]

You don't need IV fluids to maintain hydration levels. Consider making some packets of the ingredients to make 'ORS FLUID'. There are a lot of people who had Ebola and drank ORS fluids thru their entire sickness and lived to see the light of day afterwards. The ORS fluid is the only thing they took while in isolation with vomiting and diarrhea.


NP

If people vomit too much, drinking ORS is not enough. I had a sickness (NOT ebola...) years ago and I could not keep down one swallow of water and had nonstop diarrhea. For days. I had to go to ER and get IV rehydration. At home I was ready to pass out and give up. I could keep not one mouthful of water down.

 

[Seabird]

Drudge headlines: CDC: Center for Disease Confusion

I'm having trouble opening up the news links on Drudge. Was hoping they'd be posted here. hint hint

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Or do you think that every person with ebola-like or flu-like symptoms should be flown to Nebraska or Georgia, where there are a total of only 24 beds, even before they have tested positive?

Thought I would re-document the 25 LV4 beds and where they are. The whole story about them is here:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...HREAD-09-01-14-09-15-14&p=5348229#post5348229

Current facilities:

Nebraska Medical Center, Omaha, NE - 10 Beds
Emory University, Atlanta, GA - 5 Beds
NIH, The Care and Isolation Unit, Missoula, MT - 3 Beds
NIH, Clinical Research Center, Bethesda, MD - 7 Beds

 

[Be Well]

Everyone can/will get it on their own timeline within the 2-21 (+ I think it can sometimes be 25-30 based on something I read few months ago) day timeline for initial symptoms to start.

Two people can be exposed at same time. One gets sick within four days, one gets sick on day 21.

The family might not start getting headaches/sore throat or whatever until the 19th; it could take longer for the high fever to develop.

I haven't read but would assume that if a person ingests/has direct contact with more viruses, s/he will get symptoms faster than a person who only ingests/contacts fewer viruses. But since a person can get infected with 1 to 10 viruses, it's like being 2 days pregnant or 2 months. Same thing, eventually it will "show". At the apt. Duncan's symptoms were not as pronounced as they were farther along in his illness, so his bodily fluids most likely did not have such a high concentration of viruses.

 

[Beach]

Thought I would re-document the 25 LV4 beds and where they are. The whole story about them is here:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...HREAD-09-01-14-09-15-14&p=5348229#post5348229

Current facilities:

Nebraska Medical Center, Omaha, NE - 10 Beds
Emory University, Atlanta, GA - 5 Beds
NIH, The Care and Isolation Unit, Missoula, MT - 3 Beds
NIH, Clinical Research Center, Bethesda, MD - 7 Beds

Thank you.

 

[Be Well]

I find it much more likely that the CDC is taking their marching orders from the executive office. Obama has no qualms about single-handedly making decisions for this country on any other topic.

And he gets his marching orders from Jarrett. And they both want this country to get destroyed, so...

 

[mala]

Thanks to everyone who kept a running update of the conferences. Those of us without tv/broadband really appreciate it. Thanks to Helen also, who provided a much needed laugh along the way.

Also congratulations to the Dallas government and hospital folks. It looks like they're handling this case 1000% better than last time. I do believe they're woken from their CDC induced coma and have an understanding of what they're facing. Glad to hear CDC wasn't at the conference. The more they are ignored the better.

Finally, although I would like to know about the family, it finally occurred to me that maybe they just want to be left the heck alone. A loved one died. Not to mention there's probably a lot of hate being directed at them right now. If it were me, I'd avoid any publicity at all. Can't say I blame them. And no, we don't have a right to see them. We can either believe what is reported or not. But we don't have a right to infringe on their liberty to satisfy our fear. I pray that they are all well.

 

[kjcap_777]

Reposting for those who can't find it.

He just said 48 (IN A MONITOR POOL) under quarantine as I understand it no? ALL EMS Vehicles will be diverted to another hospital.
Now...what is going on with the 60 who lined up for the experimental 'VACCINE'..how are they? They supposedly received the 'VACCINE' on September 17/2014.
have all the 'Guinea Pigs' suddenly become symptomatic and been taken to the Texas Presbyterian Hospital for 'Observation'? I hear too many ..UUUH,UUUH,UUUH's...
~~~
First British volunteer injected with trial Ebola vaccine in Oxford...If vaccine tested on Ruth Atkins and other healthy volunteers is found to work, it will be fast-tracked for use in west Africa.
"Atkins is the first of 60 healthy people who will be vaccinated to find out whether the potential vaccine has any troublesome side effects. Studies involving animals have shown no ill effects so far."
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...volunteer-injected-trial-ebola-vaccine-oxford

~~~~AND THEN HERE>>>
Embargoed for Release: Thursday, August 28, 2014, 9:30 a.m. EDT

NIH to Launch Human Safety Study of Ebola Vaccine Candidate

Trial is First in Series of Accelerated Safety Studies of Ebola Vaccines
**"The Phase 1 clinical trial, called VRC 207, will be led by principal investigator Julie E. Ledgerwood, D.O., chief of the VRC’s clinical trials program, and will be conducted among 20 healthy adults ages 18 to 50 years. Participants will be divided into two groups of 10 participants each. One group will receive an intramuscular injection of the NIAID/GSK experimental vaccine. The second group will receive a single injection of the same vaccine but at a higher dose."

**"Additional Phase 1 Tests of the NIAID/GSK Vaccine

As part of the VRC 207 trial, NIAID will also test a version of the NIAID/GSK vaccine that contains genetic material from only the Zaire Ebola species. Hence, this vaccine is referred to as a monovalent vaccine. This portion of the Phase 1 safety study, which will also involve 20 healthy adults, is expected to begin in October at the NIH Clinical Center and potentially another U.S. location. Dr. Ledgerwood will also lead that effort. The VRC 207 clinical trial is being conducted based on expedited review and approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration."
~~~~
***"In parallel, NIH has partnered with an international consortium that includes the British-based Wellcome Trust, as well as Britain’s Medical Research Council and Department for International Development to test the same NIAID/GSK monovalent vaccine candidate. The vaccine candidate will be tested among 60 healthy volunteers at the University of Oxford in England and among 40 healthy volunteers in Mali by the University of Maryland School of Medicine Center for Vaccine Development and its Center for Vaccine Development in Mali (a joint enterprise of the University of Maryland School of Medicine and the Ministry of Health of Mali). Additionally, the vaccine candidate is expected to be tested among 40 healthy volunteers in Gambia after approval from the relevant authorities."
http://www.nih.gov/news/health/aug2014/niaid-28.htm

*FAIR USE*

 

[Tigerlily]

ALERT!

From the twitterer on the LAX plane:
Passengers are off the plane!!
Apparently we're going on a bus now
We're on a bus now assuming we can leave and we're gonna get contacted later
Now stuck on the bus
Bus is moving!!!!! Wah


Now she is silent. This is so not good!

 

[Be Well]

But you stated it yourself, we can't have LV4 protection at every hospital. Don't you think it would be advisable for the HCWs to use LV2, which is available at every hospital, to treat people with ebola-like or flu-like symptoms?

We very likely wouldn't have a second case if that had been done.

Or do you think that every person with ebola-like or flu-like symptoms should be flown to Nebraska or Georgia, where there are a total of only 24 beds, even before they have tested positive?

My .02 - if HCW are tasked to care for Ebola patients, but are only given LV2 PPE, then the HCW should be told the situation precisely as it is.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

ALERT!

From the twitterer on the LAX plane:
Passengers are off the plane!!
Apparently we're going on a bus now
We're on a bus now assuming we can leave and we're gonna get contacted later
Now stuck on the bus
Bus is moving!!!!! Wah


Now she is silent. This is so not good!

there's lots of stuff:


Noelle Stevenson @Gingerhazing · 4m 4 minutes ago

Where are all these people getting facemasks from?? One guy shielded his face from me with his hat when I turned around at him lol


Noelle Stevenson @Gingerhazing · 7m 7 minutes ago

Now, where's my baggage is a whole 'nother story. Hope I don't get on tv with my sweaty greasy stress hair


Noelle Stevenson @Gingerhazing · 19m 19 minutes ago

Welcoming crew

Noelle Stevenson retweeted
KFI AM 640 @KFIAM640 · 36m 36 minutes ago

Public Safety sources say woman who vomited on flight from JFK to LAX does NOT have #Ebola symptoms. She's being admitted for psych eval.

 

[prepgirl44]

ALERT!

From the twitterer on the LAX plane:
Passengers are off the plane!!
Apparently we're going on a bus now
We're on a bus now assuming we can leave and we're gonna get contacted later
Now stuck on the bus
Bus is moving!!!!! Wah


Now she is silent. This is so not good!

Interesting that they are on a bus instead of entering the airport terminal. On a bus to a holding area, so information gathering can occur is more like it.

At this point, they are going to cover all their bases, just in case.

 

[prepgirl44]

there's lots of stuff:


Noelle Stevenson @Gingerhazing · 4m 4 minutes ago

Where are all these people getting facemasks from?? One guy shielded his face from me with his hat when I turned around at him lol


Noelle Stevenson @Gingerhazing · 7m 7 minutes ago

Now, where's my baggage is a whole 'nother story. Hope I don't get on tv with my sweaty greasy stress hair


Noelle Stevenson @Gingerhazing · 19m 19 minutes ago

Welcoming crew

Noelle Stevenson retweeted
KFI AM 640 @KFIAM640 · 36m 36 minutes ago

Public Safety sources say woman who vomited on flight from JFK to LAX does NOT have #Ebola symptoms. She's being admitted for psych eval.

Another admission to a psych unit. They need to change their screening criteria, me thinks.

 

[Beach]

My .02 - if HCW are tasked to care for Ebola patients, but are only given LV2 PPE, then the HCW should be told the situation precisely as it is.

The conversation between Baloo and me, is about caring for patients with symptoms before they test positive, not about ebola patients. And it's also about whether normal hospital garb of gowns and masks should be used instead of LV2 gear with patients showing flu or ebola-like symptoms.

 

[bassgirl]

Another admission to a psych unit. They need to change their screening criteria, me thinks.

LMAO!

 

[Tigerlily]

Weird. Those didn't show up when I reloaded.

 

[maric]

My question still is I wonder how many CONFIRMED cases are in the US that ARE NOT being made public?

 

[Baloo]

The conversation between Baloo and me, is about caring for patients with symptoms before they test positive, not about ebola patients. And it's also about whether normal hospital garb of gowns and masks should be used instead of LV2 gear with patients showing flu or ebola-like symptoms.

Thats not my interpretation. My point is if Ebola is confirmed then LV4 is required. That is not CDC guidelines for HCW now--its LV2.

Before confirmation, I agree LV2 is fine.

 

[mzkitty]

My question still is I wonder how many CONFIRMED cases are in the US that ARE NOT being made public?

How would we know unless it becomes impossible not to notice a LOT of missing people.

 

[Beach]

Thats not my interpretation. My point is if Ebola is confirmed then LV4 is required. That is not CDC guidelines for HCW now--its LV2.

Before confirmation, I agree LV2 is fine.

Go back and read how this conversation started. It's all..all...all... About what happened before Duncan tested positive and the HCWs treated him for two days, from the 28th to the 30th, wearing only regular hospital garb...while he showed symptoms!

Minimal effort would have had the HCWs in LV2 gear during this period and we likely wouldn't have a second infection.

Reading comprehension and all that.

 

[Mprepared]

He just said 48 (IN A MONITOR POOL) under quarantine as I understand it no? ALL EMS Vehicles will be diverted to another hospital.
Now...what is going on with the 60 who lined up for the experimental 'VACCINE'..how are they? They supposedly received the 'VACCINE' on September 17/2014.
have all the 'Guinea Pigs' suddenly become symptomatic and been taken to the Texas Presbyterian Hospital for 'Observation'? I hear too many ..UUUH,UUUH,UUUH's...
~~~
First British volunteer injected with trial Ebola vaccine in Oxford...If vaccine tested on Ruth Atkins and other healthy volunteers is found to work, it will be fast-tracked for use in west Africa.
"Atkins is the first of 60 healthy people who will be vaccinated to find out whether the potential vaccine has any troublesome side effects. Studies involving animals have shown no ill effects so far."
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...volunteer-injected-trial-ebola-vaccine-oxford

~~~~AND THEN HERE>>>
Embargoed for Release: Thursday, August 28, 2014, 9:30 a.m. EDT

NIH to Launch Human Safety Study of Ebola Vaccine Candidate

Trial is First in Series of Accelerated Safety Studies of Ebola Vaccines
**"The Phase 1 clinical trial, called VRC 207, will be led by principal investigator Julie E. Ledgerwood, D.O., chief of the VRC’s clinical trials program, and will be conducted among 20 healthy adults ages 18 to 50 years. Participants will be divided into two groups of 10 participants each. One group will receive an intramuscular injection of the NIAID/GSK experimental vaccine. The second group will receive a single injection of the same vaccine but at a higher dose."

**"Additional Phase 1 Tests of the NIAID/GSK Vaccine

As part of the VRC 207 trial, NIAID will also test a version of the NIAID/GSK vaccine that contains genetic material from only the Zaire Ebola species. Hence, this vaccine is referred to as a monovalent vaccine. This portion of the Phase 1 safety study, which will also involve 20 healthy adults, is expected to begin in October at the NIH Clinical Center and potentially another U.S. location. Dr. Ledgerwood will also lead that effort. The VRC 207 clinical trial is being conducted based on expedited review and approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration."
~~~~
***"In parallel, NIH has partnered with an international consortium that includes the British-based Wellcome Trust, as well as Britain’s Medical Research Council and Department for International Development to test the same NIAID/GSK monovalent vaccine candidate. The vaccine candidate will be tested among 60 healthy volunteers at the University of Oxford in England and among 40 healthy volunteers in Mali by the University of Maryland School of Medicine Center for Vaccine Development and its Center for Vaccine Development in Mali (a joint enterprise of the University of Maryland School of Medicine and the Ministry of Health of Mali). Additionally, the vaccine candidate is expected to be tested among 40 healthy volunteers in Gambia after approval from the relevant authorities."
http://www.nih.gov/news/health/aug2014/niaid-28.htm

*FAIR USE*

Just because they live after being vaccinated does not mean it works. Won't they have to be exposed to Ebola patients to see if they stay symptom free?

 

[Baloo]

Go back and read how this conversation started. It's all..all...all... About what happened before Duncan tested positive and the HCWs treated him for two days, from the 28th to the 30th, wearing only regular hospital garb...while he showed symptoms!

Minimal effort would have had the HCWs in LV2 gear during this period and we likely wouldn't have a second infection.

Reading comprehension and all that.

No. I said after he got confirmed. We can agree to disagree. Chalk it up to Miscommunication.

Also, CDC conference said this person had minimal exposure to Duncan (I bet this was not in the first two days).

 

[Beach]

No. I said after he got confirmed. We can agree to disagree. Chalk it up to Miscommunication.

Also, CDC conference said this person had minimal exposure to Duncan (I bet this was not in the first two days).

We go back to reading comprehension.

 

[mzkitty]

13m
Presbyterian Hospital Dallas to no longer divert ambulances from the facility amid Ebola threat - @texashealth

 

[kjcap_777]

Just because they live after being vaccinated does not mean it works. Won't they have to be exposed to Ebola patients to see if they stay symptom free?

I definitely know that IF these idiots allowed to be jabbed with 'EBOLAAAAA' Vaccine that there will be many exposed as this VIRUS from the VACCINE sheds. As for being exposed to 'Ebola' patients the VACCINE has already EXPOSED them to the VIRUS...that is what I am trying to say..in short. SO have the 48-60(?) Subjects suddenly become 'Ill' and are under observation in Texas? How would we know? The CDC is inept and proven to be total outright LIARS. I'll lop in WHO and the NIH too.

It's like being in a 'Lucid' dream watching this go down.

I don't Vaccinate.
~MCA

"Ask Yourself If Ebola Was Really Spread From Person to Person, Instead of Controlled Spread Through Vaccination - Then WHY Would the CDC and the US Government Continue to Allow Flights In and Out of These Countries With Absolutely No Regulation, Or At All?
We Have Got to Start Thinking and Sharing Information Globally Because They Do Not Give the True Perspective of the People Who Live Here in West Africa.
They Are Lying for Their Own Benefit and There Aren't Enough Voices Out There With a Platform to Help Share Our Reality.
Hundreds of Thousands Have Been Killed, Paralyzed and Disabled By These and Other "New" Vaccines All Over the World and We Are Finally Becoming Aware of It." Via msswv123's email on the main Ebola thread.
~~~~
Two days ago, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases told The Canadian Press that it's "quite conceivable, if not likely" that fast-tracked Ebola vaccines may have to be given to entire countries to get the viral outbreak under control (via Modern Healthcare):

"It is conceivable that this epidemic will not turn around even if we pour resources into it. It may just keep going and going and it might require a vaccine."

"As the epidemic gets more and more formidable and in some cases out of control it is quite conceivable, if not likely, that we may need to deploy the vaccine to the entire country to be able to shut the epidemic down. That is clearly a possibility."