EBOLA 2nd Confirmed Ebola Case In US (Dallas #2) CDC Confirms 10/12

[babysteps]

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS! Am I reading this right? The staff who cared for Duncan wiped up his blood, vomit, excrement and sweat, knowing full well that he had a Level IV contagious disease, with nothing to protect them other than gowns and scrubs???? What!!!! Did they want to be candidates for Darwin Awards????

WHO the hell is responsible for this level of stupidity and negligence? The CDC? If so, the director should be fired today. Now. The hospital? Shut the damn place down and fire the management today. Now.

What they're saying is they used gowns and scrubs from the time he was admitted on the 28th until he tested positive on the 30th, at which time they switched to hazmat suits.

So they *didn't* know he had a LVL4 virus for the first two days, although one would think they had to at least suspect it...

 

[minkykat]

He said he wouldn't work if the equipment was level 2 instead of level 4. That makes perfect sense. Why should he pretty much guarantee his own infection by working with improper equipment?

I meant the part that he believes the media and blames the vic.

 

[Medical Maven]

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS! Am I reading this right? The staff who cared for Duncan wiped up his blood, vomit, excrement and sweat, knowing full well that he had a Level IV contagious disease, with nothing to protect them other than gowns and scrubs???? What!!!! Did they want to be candidates for Darwin Awards????

WHO the hell is responsible for this level of stupidity and negligence? The CDC? If so, the director should be fired today. Now. The hospital? Shut the damn place down and fire the management today. Now.

I am not quite ready to blame the hospital too. The hospital management could have gotten an offer from the CDC and WH that they could not refuse. (mafia style). The CDC and the WH wanted to experiment to see if they could get by on the cheap. And then with what they learned here (and with later cases) they would institute a permanent lower level of care for Ebola, something that could be done in every major hospital in the nation.

That is what this whole FUBAR is about, that and OPEN BORDERS.

 

[Beach]

Doesnt matter. The garb they eventually had was LV2, this is a LV4 pathogen.

Seriously? You think it doesn't matter they weren't wearing even LV2 gear for two days after he had shown symptoms. Your stuck on a single mindset of LV2 vs LV4.

 

[Grimace]

Its not this. LV4 is not available. You need pressurized systems, it takes a long time to build it. Yes its expensive but its not just $.

The issue is TPTB are experimenting because if there is a widespread epidemic LV4 is not possible. There are only 20 Lv4 beds in the USA.

^^^^^ THIS!

They're trying to answer the question of; "How to best contain a LV4 Bio-safety pathogen, without BSLV4 equipment/locations?"

And sadly, anyone down there would be considered expendable in attempting to discern the answer to that question. With the details of this case getting more clearer, i'm more and more convinced that it is NOT contained, and they're basically dropping loads in their trousers, trying to get ahead of this. Especially since they jacked around and treated it like a joke at first.

The fact that they're diverting ER traffic, and have converted the ICU, says a great deal more than what they are saying at face value.

 

[bassgirl]

Dallas Press Conference of Second Confirmed Diagnosed Case in Texas (Oct 12, 2014)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpZEhUMHO2A

Reposting for those who can't find it.

 

[steve graham]

Am I the only one who is feeling frankly shocked at this country's lack of preparedness for disease outbreak......what the hell is the CDC for if not to plan for a situation like the one we are currently experiencing..........20 level 4 beds in this entire country? Shortage of people trained to properly use level 4 type gear? Shortage of level 4 gear? I agree with dragging the head of CDC out of his ivory tower, suit his ass up in level 2 gear and force him to go care for that nurse he's blaming for becoming infected while using equipment that his ass KNEW wasn't correct! The shit is fixing to hit the fan big time....looking like it! And while we're at it, how about a damn audit of the mega bucks that flows through the CDC.....they owe us a full accounting as to what function they actually serve.....from what I'm seeing, CDC is a worthless money pit......and now they're costing people their lives!

Those nurses are right pissed and they should be. The nitwit running the CDC has a lot of chestnuts blaming the Nurse for not following procedures (or saying that in so many words) when they are being suited up to BSL 2 levels on a BSL4 level disease. I hope they head to Atlanta, drag this guy out of his office and give him an enema that he'll never forget!

On a personal note, I've been hasmat trained for many years and have spent a lot of time in Hazmat level A suits. They are the closest thing to BSL 4 protection and they are a royal pain in the ass to work in, to put on and to take off. You need people who know what they are doing to even be in those things. That takes training, not power point presentations or the E-mail of the day. Hands on training. You need a robust decontamination team with you and people to help you in and out of those suits. That takes training, lots of it. And that costs money!

And there is the rub, most places will not spend the money to do proper training unless a gun is held to their heads to make them do it. If nursing organizations are already demonstrating about the lack of training and proper equipment they are getting. Hell that's not a gun to the heads of corporate, that is the main battery of the New Jersey pointed at their heads with the gunners fingers on the pistols.

I won't even go into about the lack of protection and hands on training that the EMS and Fire community is dealing with right now.

 

[Nean7]

Just got off phone with a friend, who by the way is a Dr (and wife is nurse).

He heard of Ebola in TX (new case), I asked what he thought--he said that HCW was an idiot and did not follow procedure, was her fault.

I said really, he said that's what he heard on TV. Scary.

I told him how Duncan was treated in LV2 facility and he did not know that. He said Ebola is LV4. I said they are experimenting. He could not believe they
treated him with Lv2 precautions.

He said he would not goto work if that was case.

Good luck with that I told him. He said govt can't force me. I said good luck.

I bet you made his day! lol

 

[msswv123]

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS! Am I reading this right? The staff who cared for Duncan wiped up his blood, vomit, excrement and sweat, knowing full well that he had a Level IV contagious disease, with nothing to protect them other than gowns and scrubs???? What!!!! Did they want to be candidates for Darwin Awards????

WHO the hell is responsible for this level of stupidity and negligence? The CDC? If so, the director should be fired today. Now. The hospital? Shut the damn place down and fire the management today. Now.

I agree 100% Frieden especially needs to be replaced NOW....and WHY we don't have a surgeon general in place is beyond me.

 

[LeViolinist]

Yes, it does. Is there a question in there somewhere?

No question mark, it was a statement = perhaps inspired by a wave of awe.
I read the Hot Zone years ago, and from my recall there was nothing casual about Ebola. Level 4 was an area that took years of training to enter... and Ebola does in ten days what takes HIV ten years. So the '''not spread by casual contact''' message upended my senses a bit.
Maybe the dreaded EBOLA has muted into a lesser beast over the years...one can only hope.

 

[mzkitty]

Steve Campion ‏@SteveABC13 2m2 minutes ago

"Danger do not enter" tape put up in front of #Dallas apartment building of infected #Ebola healthcare worker. #mapit
Dallas, TX

 

[Aunt Pittypat]

What they're saying is they used gowns and scrubs from the time he was admitted on the 28th until he tested positive on the 30th, at which time they switched to hazmat suits.

So they *didn't* know he had a LVL4 virus for the first two days, although one would think they had to at least suspect it...

Well, thanks for letting me know that. Still, though, you'd think that somebody would have "done the math" and realized that they were playing with fire.

 

[Cascadians]

CNN getting ready to interview nurses holding signs
host said they are saying don't blame us for not following protocol when there is no protocol
COMING UP NEXT
Looks like they are having a protest of some type
Just said they have moved the boston patient to another hospital ...beth Israel or something
The nurses are saying they are asking for training..not being given information....not told how to handle waste....saying then when they are infected they are blaming them
They are being asked to risk their lives caring for these patients without the proper training, equipment and information to do this. Been asking for training for a couple months and are not getting it.

This is what will take down health care. Fast.
Nurses are used to taking this type of crap but this time, hell no.

 

[Garryowen]

Dr. Gil Mobley on why the CDC is 'lying' about Ebola (this is the guy who protested in the Atlanta airport)

The above is a video at this link..I don't know how to embed it from there if someone can that would be great.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/...-at-dallas-hospital-tests-positive-for-ebola/


He said keep it out of the hospitals....and just the actions taken show the CDC did not know what they are doing. (citing having no idea what to do with the waste from the apt)

He is pretty intense about this.



eta:

Not to mention ...I posted a video on the main ebola thread last night that we DON"T EVEN have a surgeon general in this nation right now.

If it were a SG appointed by obola, I think we are better off without one.

 

[OldArcher]

No one is going to impeach the Black Man. He could kill a guy on live TV and they wouldn't impeach him.
So gird your loins and hang on for more pandemonium. He's not going anywhere.

The Spawn of Satan could molest, kill, and mutilate the bodies of children and small animals on his father's, Satan's, altar on the the front lawn of the White House, and the press and libturds would be salivating at the sight...

NEVER underestimate mankind's capacity for evil and stupidity...

Maranatha

OldArcher

 

[mzkitty]

Logic Prophecy™ ‏@logicprophecy now19 seconds ago

@DrFriedenCDC #SABOTAGE #frisco #dallas #tx #infiltrated #osho #koch #ebola #autumnklein #sanantonio #chi


LadyVeteran23 ♥ ‏@LadyVeteran23 3m3 minutes ago

Eric Duncan infected his nurse but not his girlfriend or family. How does that happen? #mindblown #ebola #dallas

 

[bassgirl]

This is what will take down health care. Fast.
Nurses are used to taking this type of crap but this time, hell no.

Amen!!! Right there with ya!

 

[steve graham]

If he was refilling a prescription, then are we to conclude that he had already been to the facility with some kind of symptoms of illness and wasn't getting better so he returned to refill a prescription they had written for him previously? It's hard to tell what they're saying........what made the staff run out after him to prevent him from leaving? This is a little confusing.....but i have no doubt the truth will come out at some point........might be another case of "screening error" if this guy had indeed already been to that facility.......It looks like he had because he was, according to the article, refilling a prescription.

A patient with Ebola-like symptoms is being taken to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, according to Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates.

Emergency workers were on the scene at Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates in Braintree after unconfirmed reports that a patient had been isolated, a Braintree fire department official told Boston.com.

According to Harvard Vanguard, the patient had recently traveled to Liberia and came to the facility complaining of headache and muscle aches.

Joe Zanca of Braintree Fire told The Boston Globe “Ebola protocol is in place.”

Zanca toldThe Boston Herald that the urgent care offices on Grossman Drive were quarantined after the patient turned up at 1:30 p.m. Sunday. Harvard Vanguard reports that the facility was closed briefly but is now re-opened.

John Monahan of Fox 25 reports that the patient came to the facility to refill a prescription. He then reportedly returned to his car before clinic staff ran out after him to prevent him from leaving.

According to The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, symptoms of Ebola include fever, muscle pain, weakness, vomiting, stomach pain, unexplained bleeding, severe headache and diarrhea.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...ke-symptoms/BJk9dYCxIbcapX6f9CIwtN/story.html

 

[Baloo]

Seriously? You think it doesn't matter they weren't wearing even LV2 gear for two days after he had shown symptoms. Your stuck on a single mindset of LV2 vs LV4.

No. You are missing the point.

Yes, its true they had little protection at first (lets say LV1).

Then, they upgraded to LV2. That still is not protecting them per the CDC guidelines for people working in labs to develop a cure for Ebola (they require LV4 for them).

I know people who do research in the area (heck I was a research scientist for a while), they nor me would deal with a LV4 pathogen with LV2 protection.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Will never happen for the simple reason that there are only 20 Lv4 beds in the USA.

What will happen is tent facilities where the patient goes and dies (if this goes widespread).

25 Lv4 beds actually but 5 more don't really make that much difference.

The bigger issue long-term is that there are only about 1.8 million TOTAL hospital beds in the whole country. That's enough for .6% of the US population to be in the hospital at the same time.

 

[onetimer]

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — HazMat crews are at LAX following a report of a possible Ebola patient.
A public information officer for the airport said United Airlines flight 703 from New York’s JFK airport landed at approximately 1:50 p.m. with a possible Ebola patient on board.
The plane was taken to a remote gate at the far west end of the airport.
Further information was not immediately available.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/10/12/lax-possible-ebola-patient-on-united-flight-from-jfk/

 

[babysteps]

Well, thanks for letting me know that. Still, though, you'd think that somebody would have "done the math" and realized that they were playing with fire.

Right?? Given that he was admitted because of a phone call to CDC regarding his travel history, combined with his symptoms... you really gotta wonder. He was admitted under suspicion of ebola, if it was me *I'd* sure as heck want better protection than that! Unless they were all buying the line that "it's not easily transmissible"... but even so!

 

[LSV]

This is what will take down health care. Fast.
Nurses are used to taking this type of crap but this time, hell no.

That is when it will become compulsory..sorry we only have level 2 protection but you have to treat these patients anyway
Lisa

 

[Baloo]

25 Lv4 beds actually but 5 more don't really make that much difference.

The bigger issue long-term is that there are only about 1.8 million TOTAL hospital beds in the whole country. That's enough for .6% of the US population to be in the hospital at the same time.

If it goes widespread no way patients are going to Hospitals.

Think about it, that basically shuts down the building--no surgeries, etc, not even dealing with the fact that most HCW wont show up!!

The Govt will take over and create centers for them (ala my tent city comment).

 

[Housecarl]

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — HazMat crews are at LAX following a report of a possible Ebola patient.
A public information officer for the airport said United Airlines flight 703 from New York’s JFK airport landed at approximately 1:50 p.m. with a possible Ebola patient on board.
The plane was taken to a remote gate at the far west end of the airport.
Further information was not immediately available.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/10/12/lax-possible-ebola-patient-on-united-flight-from-jfk/

You know people "with other agendas" are very likely taking notes on how these responses are going, right?

 

[Lilbitsnana]

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — HazMat crews are at LAX following a report of a possible Ebola patient.
A public information officer for the airport said United Airlines flight 703 from New York’s JFK airport landed at approximately 1:50 p.m. with a possible Ebola patient on board.
The plane was taken to a remote gate at the far west end of the airport.
Further information was not immediately available.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/10/12/lax-possible-ebola-patient-on-united-flight-from-jfk/

We're going to need a "Daily" or maybe "Weekly" possible Ebola thread, then convert or add it to a particular city or state thread of Confirmed Cases if and when a case is confirmed.

 

[JohnGaltfla]

Per the CDC/President Obola administration:

Two squirts and some Brawny Paper towels and it is all good.

Please go back to your sheeplesleep.

 

[onetimer]

You know people "with other agendas" are very likely taking notes on how these responses are going, right?

Most on this board are "taking notes on how these responses are going". Mental notes at least.

 

[Housecarl]

We're going to need a "Daily" or maybe "Weekly" possible Ebola thread, then convert or add it to a particular city or state thread of Confirmed Cases if and when a case is confirmed.

If you think this is bad now, both wait until flu season muddles this further or a coordinated national islamofascist domestic terror campaign kicks off.

 

[Baloo]

Per the CDC/President Obola administration:

Two squirts and some Brawny Paper towels and it is all good.

Please go back to your sheeplesleep.

You are awesome!!

 

[mzkitty]

Tori Gorman ‏@toridgorman 4m4 minutes ago

When you live 0.8 miles from the Ebola house, you drive by the Ebola house. #dallas http://instagram.com/p/uEdHHFIGrZ/

 

[Mama Ten Bears]

If it goes widespread no way patients are going to Hospitals.

Think about it, that basically shuts down the building--no surgeries, etc, not even dealing with the fact that most HCW wont show up!!

The Govt will take over and create centers for them (ala my tent city comment).

Perhaps this is why we have sent some troops to Africa. So, they learn, then come home to set up the tents here.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

If you think this is bad now, both wait until flu season muddles this further or a coordinated national islamofascist domestic terror campaign kicks off.

I don't think it's bad now, but it will get that way. I was just saying that instead of adding the "possibles" into the middle of a long thread, it would be easier/quicker to see them as they pop up if they are in one daily or maybe weekly thread; or individual threads.

Yes, agree on the flu/terrorist stuff.

 

[Beach]

No. You are missing the point.

Yes, its true they had little protection at first (lets say LV1).

Then, they upgraded to LV2. That still is not protecting them per the CDC guidelines for people working in labs to develop a cure for Ebola (they require LV4 for them).

I know people who do research in the area (heck I was a research scientist for a while), they nor me would deal with a LV4 pathogen with LV2 protection.

No, I'm not missing the point. I understand that LV4 gear is what's ideal for dealing with ebola. Your point has been made a number of times. But hospital gowns and masks give some minimal amount of protection, LV2 probably increases protection significantly, probably ten-fold. And then you get to what is ideal.

All of life, all engineering, science, etc is not based around what is ideal. Most people cant afford ideal solutions especially when they don't know what they are dealing with. They go for a solution where the benefits start diminishing in relation to the increasing costs.

The fact they were working for two days with minimal protection, if the story is true, is probably why we have a 2nd infection.

 

[Cascadians]

http://nypost.com/2014/10/11/the-agonizing-last-days-of-the-first-us-ebola-patient/

" ... By evening, Duncan was suffering from explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, nausea and projectile vomiting. Efforts to bring down his fever failed. ... "
This happened BEFORE "The staff attending to Duncan traded their gowns and scrubs for hazmat suits ... "

Explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting = forceful spewing and spraying of bodily fluids. He also coughed, peed, bled. His organs failed. They were penetrating his body with all kinds of needles and tubes and in an Ebola patient with no clotting that means blood spurting.

So even after they KNEW he had Ebola and was busy spraying the room with highly infected bodily fluids, those nurses had little gowns, gloves, masks which are standard contact and droplet PPEs for C-diff and flu.

Health Care workers will be outraged over "Blame the Nurse!"

In our eldercare facility we got an email about Ebola from CDC -- standard contact and droplet precautions. That is IT. Evil Idiots.

 

[Baloo]

No, I'm not missing the point. I understand that LV4 gear is what's ideal for dealing with ebola. Your point has been made a number of times. But hospital gowns and masks give some minimal amount of protection, LV2 probably increases protection significantly, probably ten-fold. And then you get to what is ideal.

All of life, all engineering, science, etc is not based around what is ideal. Most people cant afford ideal solutions especially when they don't know what they are dealing with. They go for a solution where the benefits start diminishing in relation to the increasing costs.

The fact they were working for two days with minimal protection, if the story is true, is probably why we have a 2nd infection.

I used to be a research scientist. We are not talking about "people" we are talking about the US GOVT. They should have flown Duncan to a LV4 facility. If that happened the Nurse would be fine today.

I also believe its irreponsible for the Govt to classify Ebola as a LV4 Pathogen and then CDC issues LV2 guidelines for HCW. End of my story.

 

[Baloo]

Good twitter site for the LAX drama.

https://twitter.com/Gingerhazing -- she is on the plane

 

[Beach]

I used to be a research scientist. We are not talking about "people" we are talking about the US GOVT. They should have flown Duncan to a LV4 facility. If that happened the Nurse would be fine today.

I also believe its irreponsible for the Govt to classify Ebola as a LV4 Pathogen and then CDC issues LV2 guidelines for HCW. End of my story.

I agree totally, but I also think they need to shut the visas down from the West African countries that have these infections. We are woefully unprepared for this. Especially given the fact it takes so long to know when one is infected.

And they need to be using a minimum of LV2 gear when bodily fluids are being forcefully released from the body. Hospital gowns and masks are for protecting the patient from infection, not for protecting the HCWs.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Maybe the dreaded EBOLA has muted into a lesser beast over the years...one can only hope.

One of the apparent possible mutations that is being discussed is that it seems this iteration of Ebola kills you a little SLOWER than the earlier iterations of the 1970's and 1990's which is good for the virus and bad for us as it gives the infected patient more time to infect more people. The original outbreaks killed people faster and spread less. They were also generally contained to small villages where containment was relatively easy compared to trying to contain the current outbreak taking hold in large cities in West Africa and now...Dallas.

There has yet not been extensive study of this "speed of death" difference and it COULD also be that the "better" medical care in the current outbreak could be allowing people to last longer. Keep in mind the only people they know how long they lived upon infection are the ones actually getting treatment...what we call the "tracked cases". There is obviously no official documentation of the multitudes of untracked cases in regards to how long they last after infection.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

We're going to need a "Daily" or maybe "Weekly" possible Ebola thread, then convert or add it to a particular city or state thread of Confirmed Cases if and when a case is confirmed.

I think that is what KKC is now doing on his Ebola Headcount thread. http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?456131-Ebola-Head-Count

I was doing it early on on the stickied Ebola Tracking thread but it became almost a fulltime job so it is way behind at this point.