OT/MISC Will you ever buy an electric vehicle?

Will you ever buy an electric vehicle?

  • Yes

    Votes: 44 13.7%

  • No

    Votes: 277 86.3%
  • Total voters
    321
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Walrus

Veteran Member
alchemike said:
I am on a waitlist for one of these...
But I'll always keep my 4-Runner and a small gas powered vehicle.

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First off, a lot of folks don't have any idea how much more efficient electric vehicles are, compared to internal combustion engines. No transmission, etc. By mistakenly touting the so-called "green energy" aspect instead of the comparative efficiency, they're being marketed completely wrong by the high priests/priestesses of greenstuff.

Vinfast (a Vietnamese car builder which is presently building cars in Vietnam but is planning a big factory in North Carolina) has some great-sounding innovations, and their "leg length" per charge is getting real close to that magic 400-mile level. More than that, though, they offer two different kinds of charging systems AND have completely removed the main deal-breaker of EVs by offering a battery subscription program.

With that program, one never has to be concerned about buying a replacement battery. It's replaced free of charge by the car company after the customer pays a subscription fee per month. Depending on someone's driving habits, there are different programs offered but the base one is a standard per-month charge of $110-$160. (For infrequent drivers, there are some more inexpensive programs offered)

Alchemike, I think you're really onto something, especially being on the waitlist early as your battery subscription cost is waived.:applaud:
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
Double_A said:
On the Moon? That would be lunacy, unless I had a George Jetson flying car. Thats what I'm holding out for.
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The series aired in 1962-63, and played exactly 100 years in the future.
George Jetson was 40 years old... you can figure what year he was born then.
 
Terriannie

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Democrats, especially in California are lunatics and have no clue to foreseeable problems ranging from cost, reliability, grid overload and repair...just to start.


www.foxbusiness.com

Florida family drives into electric car problem: a replacement battery costs more than vehicle itself

A Florida family ran into a major problem after buying an electric vehicle, the replacement battery costs more than they bought the car for.
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A family in Florida drove into a major problem after buying a used electric vehicle: the replacement battery for their dead car wound up costing more than the used car was purchased for.
Avery Siwinski is a 17-year-old whose parents spent $11,000 on a used Ford Focus Electric car, which is a 2014 model and had about 60,000 miles when it was bought, according to KVUE.

The teenager had the car for six months before it began giving her issues and the dashboard was flashing symbols.

"It was fine at first," Siwinski said. "I loved it so much. It was small and quiet and cute. And all the sudden it stopped working."

She told the news outlet that the car stopped running after taking it to a repair shop, and the family eventually found out that the car's battery would need to be replaced.

The problem? A battery for the electric car costs $14,000, according to the news outlet.

Siwinski's grandfather stepped in to help out with the car problems because her father passed away in June due to colon cancer.

The Ford dealership had advised us that we could replace the battery," said her grandfather, Ray Siwinski. "It would only cost $14,000."

However, the family found out that there weren't any batteries of that type available anymore because the Ford model is discontinued.

"Then we found out the batteries aren't even available," Siwinski said. "So it didn't matter. They could cost twice as much and we still couldn't get it."


(Before the argument comes out with the fact the EV Ford Focus is no longer sold and the family should have taken that into consideration, keep in mind that same scenario could pop up with ANY model!!! What's popular one year, may go "POOF" the next. Bottom line is, you not only have to pay for the expensive car, the electrical connection PLUS an extra battery as a backup all the while keeping your fingers crossed that it lasts a decent amount of time!!!)

(If I can't drive my gas car anymore, I'll look into a horse before I go electric.)
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
Horses require even more maintenance than cars, electric or otherwise, which is why the motor car and truck pushed the horse out of practical transportation in first place. You'll need livery stables, hay supplies, farriers, poop scoopers, horse vets...

If there was a universal battery you could have swapped out for a fee in five to ten minutes at "gas" stations, that would make things a lot easier, infrastructure wise. But current electric cars are literally built around the battery, you'd have to dismantle the entire car to change even a single cell.

Range per charge doesn't seem to be much of an issue anymore. I never get more than 330 miles out of my tank anyway.

Hybrids still make sense because you don't waste all the energy you just put into accelerating by braking: it gets put back into the battery. Doesn't matter much how long that battery holds a charge, I'd be using it in a few moments anyway.

Hydrogen cars seems to make the most "green" sense to me, but I got no strong opinion on that LOL.

The TWO use cases where purely electric, rechargeable cars make sense is public transportation and delivery services.
Mail, parcel services, Uber, cabs, buses... a fixed-ish route with predicable miles driven, and return to home base at the end of the day. THAT should get pushed and should have been, if it wasn't, in that big ole "infrastructure" bill.
 
Bps1691

Bps1691

Veteran Member
Only when forced to. I’d prefer a hydrogen powered one when they finally figure out that’s the best alternative
 
Terriannie

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Tex88 said:
Horses require even more maintenance than cars, electric or otherwise, which is why the motor car and truck pushed the horse out of practical transportation in first place. You'll need livery stables, hay supplies, farriers, poop scoopers, horse vets...

If there was a universal battery you could have swapped out for a fee in five to ten minutes at "gas" stations, that would make things a lot easier, infrastructure wise. But current electric cars are literally built around the battery, you'd have to dismantle the entire car to change even a single cell.

Range per charge doesn't seem to be much of an issue anymore. I never get more than 330 miles out of my tank anyway.

Hybrids still make sense because you don't waste all the energy you just put into accelerating by braking: it gets put back into the battery. Doesn't matter much how long that battery holds a charge, I'd be using it in a few moments anyway.

Hydrogen cars seems to make the most "green" sense to me, but I got no strong opinion on that LOL.

The TWO use cases where purely electric, rechargeable cars make sense is public transportation and delivery services.
Mail, parcel services, Uber, cabs, buses... a fixed-ish route with predicable miles driven, and return to home base at the end of the day. THAT should get pushed and should have been, if it wasn't, in that big ole "infrastructure" bill.
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I know a horse will take a lot a upkeep. (and carrots) I said that only as a thought to get around because there is no way in heck I can afford an electric car, PLUS the spare battery to go with it.

My sister has a 2017 Hyundai hybrid and LOVES it because of it's recharge ability but she knows if the battery does die she will need another one. Will that be available when or if that happens? I don't know and neither will she or anyone else.

Up until our country makes our own batteries, develops our own sustainable grid and makes recharging stations as plentiful as gas stations, EV's are expensive, running potential pieces of junk that will run quietly into the salvage yard.
 
ambereyes

ambereyes

Veteran Member
In 5 or 10 years there might be something out there that would meet my needs, at this time the offerings have no use in my day to day life.
 
BassMan

BassMan

Veteran Member
Electric motors are great. I recall seeing an old Datsun, where they replaced the engine with electric motors and batteries. It BLEW AWAY combustion-engine race-cars on the track. Probably only had a range of a couple of miles, but still.
View: https://youtu.be/Ti2y_3o16-E


What I hate are batteries. I am hoping fuel-cells take-off.

Mostly what concerns me is the elite WEF plan to eliminate private ownership of vehicles, and push everyone towards self-driving taxis. :fgr2:

For now, the average price of a new car - $40K+ - strikes me as a bit of a "coincidence". I know chip and supply shortages were an issue, but the timing re: "the great reset" seems a bit much for me to swallow.
 
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Terriannie

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
While it may seem I am totally against electric cars, one cannot be more mistaken. As a matter of fact, my own father created one in 1963. He was an engineer and invented many things but the electric car was the best.

I have to say it was so cool at 11 years old to actually ride around in our red Renault, getting open mouths as we passed by in silence.

Years later I asked him why it didn't work out for permanent use and he told me the speed was realistically too weak for long drives and replacing batteries got to be too expensive.

I bet if he were alive today he would FLIP at the cost of EV batteries now and yes, he'd probably agree with me in that there are a LOT of bugs that need to be worked out in the EV industry! (I also think he'd probably be the one to work them out. :()

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bassgirl

Veteran Member
Walrus said:
First off, a lot of folks don't have any idea how much more efficient electric vehicles are, compared to internal combustion engines. No transmission, etc. By mistakenly touting the so-called "green energy" aspect instead of the comparative efficiency, they're being marketed completely wrong by the high priests/priestesses of greenstuff.

Vinfast (a Vietnamese car builder which is presently building cars in Vietnam but is planning a big factory in North Carolina) has some great-sounding innovations, and their "leg length" per charge is getting real close to that magic 400-mile level. More than that, though, they offer two different kinds of charging systems AND have completely removed the main deal-breaker of EVs by offering a battery subscription program.

With that program, one never has to be concerned about buying a replacement battery. It's replaced free of charge by the car company after the customer pays a subscription fee per month. Depending on someone's driving habits, there are different programs offered but the base one is a standard per-month charge of $110-$160. (For infrequent drivers, there are some more inexpensive programs offered)

Alchemike, I think you're really onto something, especially being on the waitlist early as your battery subscription cost is waived.:applaud:
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$160 battery fee, $125-$150 month average for insurance, $500-$600 car payment for approx $40,000 car. That’s over $800 a month just to drive a car.
 
Dux

Dux

Veteran Member
Bicycles are in my blood. I have a 25 year old 'crossover' road/dirt bike, a super light racer, and now an electric bike. I might get something more powerful to easily go 10 miles to work (scooter?), lose the Subaru, replace with a truck for less than everyday use. Electric vehicles have their place, and I hope that there will continue to be gas stations in the future.
 
Kris Gandillon

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Tex88 said:
But current electric cars are literally built around the battery, you'd have to dismantle the entire car to change even a single cell.
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Not sure where you came up with that falsehood.

Most EVs have the battery in a single tray under the floorpan. All Teslas and my Chevy Bolt are that way, and as far as I know, all other BEV (Battery Electric Vehicles) are built that way as well.

Hybrids have been a bit different in where they put the battery.

On my Bolt, the battery tray has 10 bolts to remove and a handful of electrical connections plus a couple of battery coolant hoses. This work is all done from under the car while it is on a lift, except for refilling the battery coolant which is done once the Bolt is back on the ground. There is no “dismantling the entire car”.

It takes 1 person about 30-45 minutes to unhook and remove the battery tray from my Bolt and another 30-45 minutes to install and hook-up the new battery tray. Then finally another 30-45 minutes to do the three re-programming steps required after a battery swap. So, about 1.5 to 2.5 hours beginning to end.
 
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Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
Kris Gandillon said:
Not sure where you came up with that falsehood.

Most EVs have the battery in a single tray under the floorpan. All Teslas and my Chevy Bolt are that way, and as far as I know, all other BEV (Battery Electric Vehicles) are built that way as well.

Hybrids have been a bit different in where they put the battery.

On my Bolt, the battery tray has 10 bolts to remove and a handful of electrical connections plus a couple of battery coolant hoses. This work is all done from under the car while it is on a lift, except for refilling the battery coolant which is done once the Bolt is back on the ground. There is no “dismantling the entire car”.

It takes 1 person about 30-45 minutes to unhook and remove the battery tray from my Bolt and another 30-45 minutes to install and hook-up the new battery tray. Then finally another 30-45 minutes to do the three re-programming steps required after a battery swap. So, about 1.5 to 2.5 hours beginning to end.
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Battery built into floor pan, and the car built around it:

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Bps1691

Bps1691

Veteran Member
changed said:
The federal government shouldn't be deciding this for you in a free country.
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What makes you think this is a free country?

It started changing under Wilson, then FDR and went down hill from there. Ruby Ridge, Wako showed we peons what the Fed's thought of use of overwhelming force, not to mention their theft of personal property by imminent domain for other INDIVIDUAL person's use, IRS targeting small individuals because they can't fight back, use of THEIR law enforcement in continued asset forfeitures without charges against the person .... it goes on and on

The country passed over the Rubicon after 9-11 for good and as a whole most people ignored it and sat fat dumb and happy eating their snakes and watching the propaganda tube.

1984 Is here, alive and well.
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
Bps1691 said:
What makes you think this is a free country?

It started changing under Wilson, then FDR and went down hill from there. Ruby Ridge, Wako showed we peons what the Fed's thought of use of overwhelming force, not to mention their theft of personal property by imminent domain for other INDIVIDUAL person's use, IRS targeting small individuals because they can't fight back, use of THEIR law enforcement in continued asset forfeitures without charges against the person .... it goes on and on

The country passed over the Rubicon after 9-11 for good and as a whole most people ignored it and sat fat dumb and happy eating their snakes and watching the propaganda tube.

1984 Is here, alive and well.
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Some people would say it started going downhill with the Whiskey Rebellion...
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
2011 Scion tC. Paid off years ago, insurance is like $200 a month for full coverage for two vehicles, registration and inspection is like $100 a year.

Monthly costs, variable. The other day the 11 year old alternator shat the bed, so I replaced that one and the serp belt since I was in there anyway. Clear coat on the hatch is starting to peel.
 
vector7

vector7

Dot Collector
California bans the sale of new gas-powered vehicles after 2035.

California charging stations:

Wait until people need a new $30,000 battery
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1563172147241320448
View: https://twitter.com/churchable75/status/1563172147241320448?s=20&t=0DC02jjEfIveZvrxd4EVXg

The campaign ad Gavin Newsom doesn't want you to see.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561725404028604416
View: https://twitter.com/KevinForBOS/status/1561725404028604416?s=20&t=QfLIKMkw5Y-tp8RlXW3UUQ
 
ambereyes

ambereyes

Veteran Member
All this talk about EV's has me thinking I will head on over to the sheriff's auction of seized vehicles. They have a few that are interesting for the ranch.
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
vector7 said:
California bans the sale of new gas-powered vehicles after 2035.

California charging stations:

Wait until people need a new $30,000 battery
RT 10secs
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1563172147241320448
View: https://twitter.com/churchable75/status/1563172147241320448?s=20&t=0DC02jjEfIveZvrxd4EVXg

The campaign ad Gavin Newsom doesn't want you to see.
RT 1min
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561725404028604416
View: https://twitter.com/KevinForBOS/status/1561725404028604416?s=20&t=QfLIKMkw5Y-tp8RlXW3UUQ
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They could hire the homeless to run a crank generator?
 
Kayak

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
I feel like electric cars are still at the beta stage, but the only way to fix that is to put them out there and get feedback, at this point.

In ten years, they'll probably be ready for the general public, but I don't think the grid is going to be able to handle it in most areas of the country.

If I were twenty then the likelihood of me buying an electric vehicle in the future would probably be decent, but I'm in my fifties and I don't think they'll be ready for primetime AND have been in the wild long enough to know for sure the financial hits (resale value, how often batteries need replacing, etc) in my lifetime.
 
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workhorse

Veteran Member
I buy 20 year old trucks because that’s what I can afford and drive them for another 15. I am 66 now so I should be over the 80 year mark by then. And the way things are going I’ll probably be using horses then anyhow no fuel no money.
 
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workhorse

Veteran Member
Tex88 said:
Horses require even more maintenance than cars, electric or otherwise, which is why the motor car and truck pushed the horse out of practical transportation in first place. You'll need livery stables, hay supplies, farriers, poop scoopers, horse vets...

If there was a universal battery you could have swapped out for a fee in five to ten minutes at "gas" stations, that would make things a lot easier, infrastructure wise. But current electric cars are literally built around the battery, you'd have to dismantle the entire car to change even a single cell.

Range per charge doesn't seem to be much of an issue anymore. I never get more than 330 miles out of my tank anyway.

Hybrids still make sense because you don't waste all the energy you just put into accelerating by braking: it gets put back into the battery. Doesn't matter much how long that battery holds a charge, I'd be using it in a few moments anyway.

Hydrogen cars seems to make the most "green" sense to me, but I got no strong opinion on that LOL.

The TWO use cases where purely electric, rechargeable cars make sense is public transportation and delivery services.
Mail, parcel services, Uber, cabs, buses... a fixed-ish route with predicable miles driven, and return to home base at the end of the day. THAT should get pushed and should have been, if it wasn't, in that big ole "infrastructure" bill.
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But horses can reproduce try that with a car
 
Kris Gandillon

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Tex88 said:
Battery built into floor pan, and the car built around it:

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What exact make, model and year of EV is that?

There is a similar “artists rendition” of my Bolt but I can guarantee the battery is bolted TO the floorpan and is removed and replaced exactly as I described. I watched them do it at my local dealer where mine will be replaced due to the recall.
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
Kris Gandillon said:
What exact make, model and year of EV is that?

There is a similar “artists rendition” of my Bolt but I can guarantee the battery is bolted TO the floorpan and is removed and replaced exactly as I described. I watched them do it at my local dealer where mine will be replaced due to the recall.
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Tesla:

electrek.co

Tesla structural battery pack is removable, but it is quite an ordeal

Tesla structural battery pack is removable and replaceable, according to new service manuals, but it is quite an ordeal.
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"They call it a “structural battery,” meaning that the battery is ... an actual structural part of the vehicle."

"it takes a total of 143 steps just to remove the structural battery pack."

"Then you have another 171 steps to put a new battery pack in there for a total of 314 steps to replace a structural battery pack."
 
Zagdid

Zagdid

Veteran Member
On the way to Atlantic City for the air show, we passed a Wawa mini mart with a gas station and I saw my first EV charging station. A fancy row of Tesla superchargers with 3 or 4 parked Tesla cars plugged in. I checked later and verified that they only charge Tesla cars. That was weird to me.
 
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