POL Vance/Walz debate thread... 10/01/2024

bracketquant

Veteran Member
I find my self cynical, still. Vance having written memoirs at thirty, then a movie....made for tv comes to mind. Political TV

He's picture perfect, like so many of the deep staters. It's like a professional politician can't be trusted. It's like that, you know.

His road to stardom, is likely not a fluke, of any kind. You just don't get there, less you paid the price. Their power is such, that it just doesn't happen. And I hate to say it, that goes for Trump.

Diddy, comes to mind when it comes to the games played. Not saying Trump, Diddy'd, just saying, nothing happens by accident. Chaos is their goal, Trump will make that happen, just by winning.

I see a deep state that has such great power, they will blow up the world to retain it. And they have the means to do that.

So, enjoy the theatre, and be sure to shore up your theatre...shtf is just around the corner, and that will be measured in hours, from huh, to wham.
With Vance, it seems he's mostly backed by the conservative parts of silicon valley. If so, expect him to say opportunity is for all, while making policy for the few.

I'm getting mixed messages on tariffs. Some say he wants tariffs to pay for running the government, like a couple of hundred years ago (fat chance). Others are saying he wants just his silicon valley buddies to be excluded from tariffs. If Trump/Vance get in, time will likely tell.
 

vector7

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bracketquant

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Truths the truth, I'm sure you could read what I wrote in two minutes......and that was off the cuff. The truth needs to be aired out, the election was stolen, and no judge would give standing to Trump or anyone, to debate the evidence in court. So when the other side say's it was thrown out, it was never looked at. What's that, thirty seconds.
And, I've explained it many times, that the courts were correct that no one filing the suits had any standing, therefore there was nothing to be looked at.

If the true voters, according to the Constitution, the state appointed electors, had their votes stolen, they're the only ones to have any standing in a court. And, their votes were not stolen. That's the truth, which many cannot accept.
 
Megyn Kelly perfectly sums up tonight's debate:
"JD Vance put on a masterclass on how to handle biased moderators and a lying opponent and it was a thing of beauty. It was beautiful. Every Republican or Republican voter or in this case, person who is voting for Trump, knows exactly what I am feeling right now, which is just, thank God."
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View: https://fxtwitter.com/EllieGAnders/status/1841312455106211842?s=19
I watched most of her show. She convinced me to watch the debate again, and not just as background noise since I didn't expect much.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
I find my self cynical, still. Vance having written memoirs at thirty, then a movie....made for tv comes to mind. Political TV

He's picture perfect, like so many of the deep staters. It's like a professional politician can't be trusted. It's like that, you know.

His road to stardom, is likely not a fluke, of any kind. You just don't get there, less you paid the price. Their power is such, that it just doesn't happen. And I hate to say it, that goes for Trump.

Diddy, comes to mind when it comes to the games played. Not saying Trump, Diddy'd, just saying, nothing happens by accident. Chaos is their goal, Trump will make that happen, just by winning.

I see a deep state that has such great power, they will blow up the world to retain it. And they have the means to do that.

So, enjoy the theatre, and be sure to shore up your theatre...shtf is just around the corner, and that will be measured in hours, from huh, to wham.

If you compare his resume it rhymes on many points with pre-1900 Presidents with legislative stints as well as private sector and Ivy League law school while growing up poor and in a chaotic family. His having been a serving enlisted Marine may well inject a view of the world the Executive Branch that's in need.

Time will tell.....
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
This is what made me go hhmmm. Vance could have stated the facts, he had two minutes to say, well actually.... no judge would even look at any case. We had all the evidence in the world, and we still do, that the election was stolen in multiple ways. Yet no Soros backed judge, would give us standing. This has never been looked at in a court. It was stopped in the streets. That's the reality. This election fraud was real, and it's coming in a matter of weeks. They are making it possible for illegals in our nation to vote. They are not citizens, but these communist states are paving the way to steal this election.....and you folks know the rest, and the reality. He did not come to bat for the Citizens who are on the cusp of seeing another election stolen.

Taking such a stand right now would not play well for the conservative side. The media would loudly and proudly denounce him as a another conspiracy nut. This in one time when patience can be a virtue. Get firmly in office, get things rolling, and then start eliciting confessions.

RR
 

psychgirl

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:applaud:

JD Vance
@JDVance

"You've got a tough job here. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay, which of course he did.
You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
And then you've got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens." - Senator JD Vance rt 44s
View: https://twitter.com/JDVance/status/1841294520924721384
Wow!!
As usual, I couldn’t stay up to watch but if the whole debate went as well as that ^^^
Then I’m not too worried!
 

Gold Dust

Veteran Member
And, I've explained it many times, that the courts were correct that no one filing the suits had any standing, therefore there was nothing to be looked at.

If the true voters, according to the Constitution, the state appointed electors, had their votes stolen, they're the only ones to have any standing in a court. And, their votes were not stolen. That's the truth, which many cannot accept.
The election was stolen.....We all saw it.
 

Murt

Veteran Member
And, I've explained it many times, that the courts were correct that no one filing the suits had any standing, therefore there was nothing to be looked at.

If the true voters, according to the Constitution, the state appointed electors, had their votes stolen, they're the only ones to have any standing in a court. And, their votes were not stolen. That's the truth, which many cannot accept.
U.S. Constitution-------------void where prohibited by law
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Wow!!
As usual, I couldn’t stay up to watch but if the whole debate went as well as that ^^^
Then I’m not too worried!
Debate? What debate.

If it doesn't aid the Marxist Agenda - then it doesn't exist.

Or it doesn't matter.

Or - anything.

The Democrat "blow off." AKA: "What difference does it make?"

To true voters with "lived experience" it makes a lot of difference.

The Democrats will deal with that when it comes.

And you.

Dobbin
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
I'm not sure who "won" but kudos for a good show.

A good show for sure. Bread and circuses while Rome burns. I’m voting for Trump and Vance of course for all the good it will do but at this point it is fighting about who is holding the tiller of the U.S.S. Titanic as it is about to roll over and slip under the waves. Things in the world are at the breaking point and I’m not even sure we are going to make it to the election and if we do a good part of the country won’t accept the results no matter who ’wins’.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Honestly, I was quite impressed with the civility on both sides. This was what a debate should be like.

I'm not sure who "won" but kudos for a good show.
Was chuckling at all the post-analyzers pointing out the civility and courtesy between the adversaries this time.

I saw them exchanging pleasant words after the debate. Simple fact is, that's what happens when you get two true born and raised Midwesterners together in a room, whether it's a national stage or the church basement. Whether they are rabid business/political rivals, or whether there's issues of somebody's cows getting into the other's pumpkin patch - there's eventually gonna be polite, affable words spoken, common ground noted if not totally agreed upon, and final conspiring between them to grab the last two lemon bars off the coffee table.

JD did as I fully expected JD to do. Calm, thoughtful, measured words, skillful, informed, but determined. Walz - well, at least he didn't melt down, but he sure didn't convince anybody he was ready for prime time. Near the end, I thought he was looking so revved up he might have a stroke.
 

wobble

Veteran Member
Was chuckling at all the post-analyzers pointing out the civility and courtesy between the adversaries this time.

I saw them exchanging pleasant words after the debate. Simple fact is, that's what happens when you get two true born and raised Midwesterners together in a room, whether it's a national stage or the church basement. Whether they are rabid business/political rivals, or whether there's issues of somebody's cows getting into the other's pumpkin patch - there's eventually gonna be polite, affable words spoken, common ground noted if not totally agreed upon, and final conspiring between them to grab the last two lemon bars off the coffee table.

JD did as I fully expected JD to do. Calm, thoughtful, measured words, skillful, informed, but determined. Walz - well, at least he didn't melt down, but he sure didn't convince anybody he was ready for prime time. Near the end, I thought he was looking so revved up he might have a stroke.
I thought that early on!
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
Was chuckling at all the post-analyzers pointing out the civility and courtesy between the adversaries this time.

I saw them exchanging pleasant words after the debate. Simple fact is, that's what happens when you get two true born and raised Midwesterners together in a room, whether it's a national stage or the church basement. Whether they are rabid business/political rivals, or whether there's issues of somebody's cows getting into the other's pumpkin patch - there's eventually gonna be polite, affable words spoken, common ground noted if not totally agreed upon, and final conspiring between them to grab the last two lemon bars off the coffee table.

JD did as I fully expected JD to do. Calm, thoughtful, measured words, skillful, informed, but determined. Walz - well, at least he didn't melt down, but he sure didn't convince anybody he was ready for prime time. Near the end, I thought he was looking so revved up he might have a stroke.
There's always an exception to the Midwesterner rule, like Bill Penzey.
 

vector7

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Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I could not watch it, but I was glad to see KathyinFl's post on Vance calling them out of fact-checking.
I did glance at the debate on YouTube and it struck me how much Waltz reminded me of Nikita Khrushchev especially when he started waving that hand.
 

vector7

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It’s another 3 on 1 ! Good for Vance for correcting the moderators but then they muted his microphone

CBS cuts Vance’s mic while he’s explaining how the Biden/Harris admin has allowed over 800,000 migrants to enter the U.S. via the CBP One App “lawfully”. It then sounded like Walz claimed the CBP One app has been used since the 90s, which is completely false. The Biden/Harris admin started using it in winter 2023 to begin mass paroling migrants into the country by the hundreds of thousands, typically between 1,300-1,500 every single day.
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bracketquant

Veteran Member
It's bad form to tell someone to go research something and "get back to me".

If you have salient information, post it to make your point.

Not unlike trying to get others to start a thread that you won't.
I posted the salient information making the point, the truth, which was ignored, as shown in post #376.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
WATCH: JD Vance's closing statement honestly gave me goosebumps

"We need change. We need a new direction. We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well. Please vote for Donald Trump."

Everyone, including myself, finally realized tonight why Trump picked him. His relatability & communication skills are next-level.

It was a legendary debate performance from Bighilly Vance.
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View: https://fxtwitter.com/BehizyTweets/status/1841310152537887232?s=19
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Is that real? I walked out after the ladies started shutting Vance down and fact checked, against the rules.
It looked very "cut up." A lot can be said "out of context" and have its meaning changed.

And - as a School Administrator - and a "bleeding heart," Walz very likely tried to "get into the mind of a shooter."

And I might even say that might be his job. Although my words might have been different.

"I tried to put myself in the shooter's shoes - but they didn't fit and there were only two."

Dobbin
 

wobble

Veteran Member
It looked very "cut up." A lot can be said "out of context" and have its meaning changed.

And - as a School Administrator - and a "bleeding heart," Walz very likely tried to "get into the mind of a shooter."

And I might even say that might be his job. Although my words might have been different.

Dobbin
I looked around the web about it and only find people talking about it and not debunking it.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Read, and most of all try to comprehend, the Constitution, and then get back to me.
Article II Says:

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress..."

Unless I have missed something, every state in the union has directed this via a vote of the citizens, and in so participating in this action, the citizens have agreed to this arrangement. To commit fraud to obtain electors outside of these agreed processes is the crime, and the citizens should have had standing based on breach of agreement alone. There are other amendments to the Constitution that make this agreement stronger, not weaker, over time.

Imagine you are part of a process to decide on dinner, and you are offered an either/or choice: Pizza or Broccoli. Of course, not the entire crowd needs to go get dinner, so you decide to pick dinner by chipping in funds of a certain color to just one person - Red scrip for Pizza, Green for Broccoli. Everyone agrees that those colors are valid indicators of what you crave.

You want pizza, so you chip in your red bucks, but when the money is tallied, the green is all you see. You even have evidence of the dinner-gatherer of the red bucks being replaced, but nobody lets you talk about it. Even the store - All they really care about is if the color of your money is valid. They don't care how the green scrip got to the cash register, so they're not at inclined to listen to you when you go to store to complain on your own behalf, in fact they begin to suspect they lose some of that green money and not get any of the red to replace it. So they throw you out of the store.

You call the police, and detectives look into it and declare the green money to be valid, so what's the problem? And those complimentary donuts from the store are pretty sweet, of course...
 

vector7

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FIREWORKS: Pro-choice CNN panelists Alyssa Farah Griffin, David Axelrod, and Ashley Allison EXPLODE when @ScottJenningsKY fact-checks them on Minnesota's abortion law:

"[T]his thing in Minnesota. There were eight deaths among infants who survived abortion attempts during Tim Walz's tenure as governor. It happened. They don't want to talk about the fact that it happened but there were children...They tried to abort the babies and they survived the abortion and they died...Tim Walz can't [inaudible] the truth about this...[Trump & Vance's] position is moderate and it is in line with what I think most Americans want and I think Harris and Walz have proven they cannot discuss even a single restriction that they want...I can tell you what Republicans believe...I get it. I would attack if -- I didn't -- if I couldn't articulate a single restriction, I would attack Trump too...Well, I guess I have to speak up for the babies. They're not here to speak for themselves. Lord, have mercy."

They condescendingly lectured Jennings, calling it "disrespectful" for him as man to suggest people want their babies to die.

At the same time, they said it should be "none of [anyone's] business what women do" to the lives of their babies and "stay out of our doctor's offices"

Liberals are very unintelligent about this issue. They get all emotional about their body their choice. What about the babys body and its choice? Also there are double standards here liberals were telling everyone to get the clot shot and they weren’t open to others saying “My body my choice”. I truly believe leftism is a mental disorder. It’s crazy to me how they are unable to think critically about this issue and are comfortable with murdering their baby, wild. (Outside of the reasons of rape, incest and life of the mother)

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