POL Vance/Walz debate thread... 10/01/2024

jward

passin' thru
Truths the truth, I'm sure you could read what I wrote in two minutes......and that was off the cuff. The truth needs to be aired out, the election was stolen, and no judge would give standing to Trump or anyone, to debate the evidence in court. So when the other side say's it was thrown out, it was never looked at. What's that, thirty seconds.
I agree, in principle, that the truth need be told. However, there is a time and place and a list of priorities. That, biden's infirmity and him not running the country, and 101 other things are OLD NEWS, and do not warrant focus at this time.

What we need now, in the very small amount of time left us, is hammer home those things that actually matter in the near term, and not squander our time, attention and energy on all sorts of "shiny squirrel" moments. Because, if we don't prevent the steal of the election this time, none of the rest of it gets redress, except perhaps in some future where dusty ole scholars try to piece together how we went so far wrong.
 

jward

passin' thru
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Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson

Debate Postmortem


J.D. Vance, as anticipated, easily won the debate on demeanor, facts, and analysis. But in fairness to a sometimes herky-jerky and nervous Tim Walz, he had the harder task of defending the temporary make-over of Harris, her co-culpability for the last three-and-a-half-years of the Biden disaster, and her unwillingness to implement her supposedly “change” agenda in the last months of her vice-presidential tenure.

The moderators, Nora O’Donnell, and, especially, Margaret Brennan, also as expected, ganged up on Vance. The had learned nothing, and forgot nothing from the last disastrous, and biased debate moderators—now proving the wisdom of Donald Trump’s refusal to do any more network debates other than on Fox.

The two moderators shamelessly broke their own rules by fact-checking (wrongly and solely) Vance. They ignored questions of the administration’s reactions to Hurricane Helene, the Ukraine war, the recent Trump assassination attempts, or crime, while only briefly touching on Iran and a Middle East on the brink of total war.

Instead, they concentrated, as also expected, on climate change, abortion, health care, and childcare. All were issues they thought might more easily embarrass Vance. And, of course, as also expected, the two ended the debate pressing Vance on January 6.

And yet Vance again won decisively. In doing so, he dispelled the smear that he was somehow “mean”, when, in fact, he proved calm and magnanimous as he dissected Walz.

The nation perhaps learned that Trump selected him to articulate his MAGA positions, and perhaps in a manner superior to Trump’s own. In contrast, Harris picked Walz. assuming he would not upstage her and perhaps by his limitations would make her look more competent in comparison.

The debate will give some momentum to Trump-Vance in the last month of the campaign.

It follows the lethargic Biden-Harris reaction to Hurricane Helene, whose toll in human life and property had been initially and vastly ignored by the media.

It follows the growing specter of a theater-wide Middle East war, as Israel faces off against Iran and its appendages (all empowered after 2020 by Biden-Harris).

It follows the chaos of a longshoremen’s strike intended to shut down the country.

And it follows Harris’s continued inability to survive serial soft-ball interviews without her memorized and banal answers.

As a result, the slow hemorrhaging of Harris-Walz will likely still continue in the last month of the election.

9:01 AM · Oct 2, 2024
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bracketquant

Veteran Member
He must have been so nervous. It's one of those moments where you say the worst possible thing in the moment but can't call the words back. Almost as bad as showing up on stage in your underwear.

Walz proved that there are 2 candidates on the Dem ticket who aren't ready for prime time.
He proved it to one half of the voters.

To the other half, the MSM will keep pushing the single, no children, cat lady statement.

When one understands how the other half thinks, if it can be called thinking, they are not rational people.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I agree, in principle, that the truth need be told. However, there is a time and place and a list of priorities. That, biden's infirmity and him not running the country, and 101 other things are OLD NEWS, and do not warrant focus at this time.

What we need now, in the very small amount of time left us, is hammer home those things that actually matter in the near term, and not squander our time, attention and energy on all sorts of "shiny squirrel" moments. Because, if we don't prevent the steal of the election this time, none of the rest of it gets redress, except perhaps in some future where dusty ole scholars try to piece together how we went so far wrong.
Hence the reason to expose the election steal last time. Dinesh has a documentary coming this week that shows, all that we said was happening, did happen. We had the time to expose it, and we did. The truth of the election steal is on record.

It will not happen again, without repurcussions...(I said that)
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
You really think he could have said that with these two twits moderating? And, if he had, the media would be trashing him for the next three weeks. I think he had to walk the line very closely, rather than trying to convince them in a few seconds that we live in a .gov controlled by a deep state... remember he was only there to go for that 11 percent watching (per the Fox News poll tonight) that thought that this debate could possibly affect their vote, and, to be the straight man for Trump.
yes, short answer. It needs to be said, as it's gonna happen again.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
And, I've explained it many times, that the courts were correct that no one filing the suits had any standing, therefore there was nothing to be looked at.

If the true voters, according to the Constitution, the state appointed electors, had their votes stolen, they're the only ones to have any standing in a court. And, their votes were not stolen. That's the truth, which many cannot accept.
Nothing to be looked at........my ass. There was a mountain of evidence of election fraud. You're either a troll or a fool. or worse. Have you not seen he evidence found here, at this blog? Do you ignore it? In all truth, there is no excuse for you, or anyone who has been here as long as you to make such a statement. Not one.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I've read that the Supreme Court has yet to chime in, and has no need to, but a few of them have commented on it, privately. They say there is nothing in the Constitution, where the electors must vote according to the popular vote of a state.

Some states have set up penalties for voting the other way. Does that mean that the electors can vote the other way? Does that mean a vote can effectively be bought for a $5,000 fine? This has been talked about at a few places online, Where? I don't remember. I doubt that it will come to that. But if it does, the election outcome might be held up for many, many months, going through the slow court system. Win or lose, I believe this is what the commies want. Losing one election means nothing to them. Weaken our institutions at all times, and divide and conquer.
I smell double speak, over the last few pages of comments..... eh Mill
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Boy, do you sure have a tin ear politically.
I do not know what that means.....but it sounds like a slam. So please explain thoroughly, just in case I can defend my comments.

I do hate politics, and political speak. I hate folks who talk in a manner that is not straight forward, to the point, to the truth.
 

jward

passin' thru
Hence the reason to expose the election steal last time. Dinesh has a documentary coming this week that shows, all that we said was happening, did happen. We had the time to expose it, and we did. The truth of the election steal is on record.

It will not happen again, without repurcussions...(I said that)
I respectfully disagree. That is old news and those with ears to hear are aware.

Now is the time for hammering home that the commie-red-rat-bastard they're trying to put into office put a billion dollars of FEMA funds to house her illegal invasion and NOW there is not enough $$$ to get through hurricane season and in AMERICA diabetics are having their insulin delivered by MULE in areas destroyed by the storms... but Ukrainian pensions are funded :: fuming ::

...amongst hitting the other front and center issues of the economy in which we cannot buy food and fuel in the quantities our families need them, and that the globe is on fire and soon it is to be our children used to feed the sausage grinder if they get their way, etc etc etc.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I agree that there is plenty to bury them with, as far as the mess they created purposely. Yet, when they try to steal this election, it would be nice to point out that the old fool me once is in play....
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I do not know what that means.....but it sounds like a slam. So please explain thoroughly, just in case I can defend my comments.

I do hate politics, and political speak. I hate folks who talk in a manner that is not straight forward, to the point, to the truth.


tin ear noun

Britannica Dictionary definition of TIN EAR

: a lack of ability to hear something (such as music or speech) in an accurate and sensitive way
  • My wife is a talented musician, but I have a tin ear.
  • a writer with a tin ear for dialogue [=who writes dialogue that does not sound real]

or

tin ear​

noun​

  1. an insensitivity to melodic, rhythmic, and harmonic variety in music.
  2. an insensitivity to subtlety or appropriateness in verbal expression:
    a tin ear for clear, precise prose.
 
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