WAR trouble brewing again in ukraine
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northern watch
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I'm getting really tired of tweets that just throw out something and never cite anything resembling a verifiable source.
AFP like many other MSM groups just seems to think they can create news rather than factually report on it.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Nightwolf told me -
"Americans play poker so they often think that an opponent is bluffing, the Russians play chess and you can't bluff in chess."
He then told me things like you can puff up your chest, you can be all alpha and stuff with chess but you can't bluff.
If Biden's handlers think that Putin is playing poker I think they are in for a very nasty shock.
naegling62
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Psyops most likely.
northern watch
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northern watch
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Would be good to see a few sources running with this .... BUT .... even if true there is still a huge issue out there with the blocking of water supplies to Crimea that Russia very well may feel compelled to act upon.
northern watch
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Those are no different than a US 8" howitzer. Yeah they're "nuclear capable" but that doesn't mean that's all they're going to send down range.
I keep reading things where western analysts, sources and spokespersons refer to "posturing".
It seems that they project their reality onto the Russians, and I'm thinking the Russians aren't posturing or preening.
I suppose it is beyond the imagination of western elites that someone might be direct and clear in their messaging.
So your analogy of poker/bluffing versus chess really makes sense to me.
I think our bluffing about taking Crimea back may have put Ukraine in "check".
Optimus Prime
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Putin “postures” for his people and the motherland. Western leaders “posture” for whichever oppressed/entitled/scourge of a group has the squeakiest wheel at the moment.
jward
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Update: Ukraine’s senior commanders calculated that if Putin orders an attack deep into East Ukraine and elsewhere it was most likely to come in mid-May.
Update: US State Department: We are closely monitoring the situation in Ukraine, and we are in constant contact with officials there.
Update: Fox News reporting 28,000 Russian Troops are now on the border with Ukraine. Up from 4,000 last week.
Update: Reports Ukrainian positions hit with AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher by DPR soldiers in Lugansk.
Update: Britain: Reports UK senior commanders and Whitehall officials are on “high alert” over the Ukraine crisis and are monitoring the situation “with growing concern.”
northern watch
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When the British start calling up their reservists when you know we are getting close to kick off time
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Update: Ukraine’s senior commanders calculated that if Putin orders an attack deep into East Ukraine and elsewhere it was most likely to come in mid-May.
Update: US State Department: We are closely monitoring the situation in Ukraine, and we are in constant contact with officials there.
Update: Fox News reporting 28,000 Russian Troops are now on the border with Ukraine. Up from 4,000 last week.
Update: Reports Ukrainian positions hit with AGS-17 automatic grenade launcher by DPR soldiers in Lugansk.
Update: Britain: Reports UK senior commanders and Whitehall officials are on “high alert” over the Ukraine crisis and are monitoring the situation “with growing concern.”
naegling62
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Finally a smart move. Don't let your advisary know what you know.
danielboon
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Putin underscores importance of Montreux Convention preservation to Erdogan
The Convention provides for free pass through the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits only for trade ships and regulates the pass of non-Black Sea states’ military ships, seriously limiting their classes and displacement
© Alexei Nikolsky/Russian Presidential Press and Information Office/TASS
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Turkey notifies Russia of US warships’ transit to Black Sea
MOSCOW, April 9. /TASS/. It is important to preserve the Montreux Convention amid Turkey’s plans for construction of the Istanbul Canal, Russian President Vladimir Putin underscored during the phone call with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Kremlin press service announced Friday.
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The Kremlin press service underscored that, in general, "the fruitful Russian-Turkish dialogue will continue in all kinds of formats."
The 1936 Convention, signed in Montreux, Switzerland, cements Turkey’s sovereignty over Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, and stipulates free pass of trade ships through the straits, while significantly limiting the pass for non-Black Sea states’ military ships. With prior notification of Turkish authorities, Black Sea states can move any military ships through the straits during peaceful periods. However, non-Black Sea states’ ships are limited by class and displacement
The Istanbul Channel, planned for construction west of Bosphorus, was first announced by Erdogan in 2011. In December 2019, the Turkish leader opined that navigation through the canal should not be covered by the Montreux Convention. On April 7, Erdogan stated that Turkey will not abandon the canal project under any circumstances.
tass.com
The Convention provides for free pass through the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits only for trade ships and regulates the pass of non-Black Sea states’ military ships, seriously limiting their classes and displacement
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Turkey notifies Russia of US warships’ transit to Black Sea
MOSCOW, April 9. /TASS/. It is important to preserve the Montreux Convention amid Turkey’s plans for construction of the Istanbul Canal, Russian President Vladimir Putin underscored during the phone call with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Kremlin press service announced Friday.
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- Russia wants US to comply with Montreux Convention on Straits, Lavrov says
- Russian admiral suggests Erdogan should read Montreux Convention on Black Sea
The Kremlin press service underscored that, in general, "the fruitful Russian-Turkish dialogue will continue in all kinds of formats."
The 1936 Convention, signed in Montreux, Switzerland, cements Turkey’s sovereignty over Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits, and stipulates free pass of trade ships through the straits, while significantly limiting the pass for non-Black Sea states’ military ships. With prior notification of Turkish authorities, Black Sea states can move any military ships through the straits during peaceful periods. However, non-Black Sea states’ ships are limited by class and displacement
The Istanbul Channel, planned for construction west of Bosphorus, was first announced by Erdogan in 2011. In December 2019, the Turkish leader opined that navigation through the canal should not be covered by the Montreux Convention. On April 7, Erdogan stated that Turkey will not abandon the canal project under any circumstances.
Putin underscores importance of Montreux Convention preservation to Erdogan
The Convention provides for free pass through the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits only for trade ships and regulates the pass of non-Black Sea states’ military ships, seriously limiting their classes and displacement
tass.com
Doomer Doug
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the bbc world war three video has the RAF planes going down the airfield runway and then going straight up in the air in a combat launch.
The ships firing their missiles, even if they are from file footage is cool also.
Putin ain't backing down. He has taken the measure of biden and found him wanting.
The ships firing their missiles, even if they are from file footage is cool also.
Putin ain't backing down. He has taken the measure of biden and found him wanting.
Doomer Doug
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In case anybody wants to see our Ukie "allies" engaged in the 75th anniversary of the Waffen SS Division the Nazi Wehrmacht recruited back during World War Two, here is a link to it This video is the 2018 celebration of it. Yep, our Nazi allies. Think the whore media will EVER play this? 
www.thegatewaypundit.com
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0JKqYu7_Ds
Biden's Presidency Will Be Destroyed By His Foreign Policy if His Domestic Policies Don't Do It First | The Gateway Pundit | by Larry Johnson
Dementia Joe and his coterie of enablers have embarked on a foreign policy that is likely to result in a new war that will endanger America and further a growing perception that the United States is weak and divided.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
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A leftie Pentagon hiding info? That's different. Almost makes one think something might happen. Nah.
The Ukes will lose Donbass, bitch and moan, shoot a few various shells and go home with a smaller country.
We'll do this again in another 5 years. Given enough time Uncle Vlad will have all of the Ukraine back.
AlfaMan
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Putin's posturing stopped the second he recalled the Russian ambassador from Washington, and never replaced him. The situation is very serious but the MSM won't cover it because the .gov here needs other things to be pushed. Like China Virus for example.
At this point, Putin won't stop until the entire country of the Ukraine is back in Soviet/Russian hands. Then we see if he keep going on recovering the former nations of the Warsaw Pact.
There's a bigger game going on here; this is more than Putin wanting the Crimea. Much more.
AlfaMan
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General Nowski,
Much respect for your post; but methinks what is going to happen is right out of the year 1979; the year the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.
I posted this in the consequences thread, brought it over here to get some feedback on it.
If Russia moves on Ukraine, Crimea will be the feint move. Russia wants Ukraine (and particularly the chernozem soil and Med access).
Russia will start with the Crimea-but won't stop until all of Ukraine is in Russian hands. And with the forces piling up in the Belgorod area and Kharkov areas, my gut tells me a two prong attack. The forces rolling out of Kharkov will head to the Crimea and secure it. These forces will then proceed to retake the southern half of the Ukraine.
The forces coming out of Belgorod (watch what happens in that oblast (province), command and control elements call the oblast home) will head across into Ukraine with the initial task of capturing Kiev. Give the Russians 4 days tops to secure it.
Once Kiev is taken, the Crimean forces swing northwest to meet up with the Belgorod group-after taking Vinnitsya. I'd predict Lvov as the meetup point of both armies. Allow the supply chain to catch up for a day or two, and see what the world would do to protect Ukraine (nothing. Ukraine is an associate member of NATO, not a full member. If they were a full member of NATO Ukraine could enact article 5 meaning NATO countries would come to their aid. ).
From this point with both armies restocked they have most of eastern Europe before them. They could continue like a scythe through Poland, Romania, the Czech republic, Hungary. And those ARE full members of NATO; invoking article 5 is a given.
Eastern Europe would be overrun within 2 weeks or less-facing the Russians are woke, below strength, combat ineffective armies from the countries mentioned earlier (Poland being the toughest of the group). The only way to blunt the Russian advance would be (wait for it) the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
And that friends is how consequences would play out for the US. We'd get sucked into the opening stages of WW3.
Much respect for your post; but methinks what is going to happen is right out of the year 1979; the year the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.
I posted this in the consequences thread, brought it over here to get some feedback on it.
If Russia moves on Ukraine, Crimea will be the feint move. Russia wants Ukraine (and particularly the chernozem soil and Med access).
Russia will start with the Crimea-but won't stop until all of Ukraine is in Russian hands. And with the forces piling up in the Belgorod area and Kharkov areas, my gut tells me a two prong attack. The forces rolling out of Kharkov will head to the Crimea and secure it. These forces will then proceed to retake the southern half of the Ukraine.
The forces coming out of Belgorod (watch what happens in that oblast (province), command and control elements call the oblast home) will head across into Ukraine with the initial task of capturing Kiev. Give the Russians 4 days tops to secure it.
Once Kiev is taken, the Crimean forces swing northwest to meet up with the Belgorod group-after taking Vinnitsya. I'd predict Lvov as the meetup point of both armies. Allow the supply chain to catch up for a day or two, and see what the world would do to protect Ukraine (nothing. Ukraine is an associate member of NATO, not a full member. If they were a full member of NATO Ukraine could enact article 5 meaning NATO countries would come to their aid. ).
From this point with both armies restocked they have most of eastern Europe before them. They could continue like a scythe through Poland, Romania, the Czech republic, Hungary. And those ARE full members of NATO; invoking article 5 is a given.
Eastern Europe would be overrun within 2 weeks or less-facing the Russians are woke, below strength, combat ineffective armies from the countries mentioned earlier (Poland being the toughest of the group). The only way to blunt the Russian advance would be (wait for it) the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
And that friends is how consequences would play out for the US. We'd get sucked into the opening stages of WW3.
northern watch
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northern watch
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The following is in Greek, if you do not understand Greek just watch and you will get the idea as to what is being said.
Erdogan wants to build a canal to bypass the Montreux Convention that is the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits
Erdogan: New canal gives freedom to US warships
RT: 2.50 min
Erdogan wants to build a canal to bypass the Montreux Convention that is the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits
Erdogan: New canal gives freedom to US warships
RT: 2.50 min
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AlfaMan
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Can't understand a word the newscaster is saying-but she's seriously cute. I'd watch her TV shows with closed captioning on!
northern watch
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That is one of the problems, posters here face, the MSM is not covering the Ukraine story and we must go to non English sources for info.
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AlfaMan
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Tip of the spear getting ready to kick off the party............
Doomer Doug
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General genocide austin the 3rd will still have time to make EVERYBODY in the ENTIRE US military fill out an extremism questionaire so the purges can continue. If we are lucky, the woke army will fail both rapidly and badly.
The Russians move quickly and decisively while general genocide hunts down white racists in his purge.
Thank God I finished zeroing my ar-15 this morning.
The Russians move quickly and decisively while general genocide hunts down white racists in his purge.
Thank God I finished zeroing my ar-15 this morning.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
On a possibly related note.
Was working in DC today. The GPS was for the most part completely useless. I worked from one end of DC to the other today, embassy row area, puzzle palace area, downtown, etc.....Is anyone near or in major cities (or near military posts/bases) experiencing similar problems?
Was working in DC today. The GPS was for the most part completely useless. I worked from one end of DC to the other today, embassy row area, puzzle palace area, downtown, etc.....Is anyone near or in major cities (or near military posts/bases) experiencing similar problems?
northern watch
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samus79
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I don’t normally use GPS but now that you mention it I’ll use it tomorrow while I’m out and about on my rounds. I use my iPhone instead of a dedicated GPS receiver and I think iPhones use cell tower triangulation instead of GPS but I’ll see what happens.