ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

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Jittery Ukrainian villagers 'fear that a big war will start'
The seven-year-old conflict in eastern Ukraine has all but emptied the village of Nevelske located near the line of contact between Russia-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces
By INNA VARENYTSIA and YURAS KARMANAU Associated Press
15 December 2021, 23:16

NEVELSKE, Ukraine -- Liudmyla Momot wipes away tears as she searches for clothes and household items to salvage from the ruins of her home that was shelled by Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Her village of Nevelske, northwest of the rebel-held city of Donetsk, is only about three kilometers (two miles) from the line of contact between the separatists and the Ukrainian military and has been emptied of all but five people
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Small arms fire frequently is heard in the daytime, giving way to the booms of light artillery and mortar shelling after dusk.

With the bloody conflict now more than seven years old, there are fears in Ukraine and the West that a buildup of armed forces on Russia's side of the border could lead to an invasion or the resumption of full-scale hostilities.


Rebels targeted Nevelske with shelling twice in the last month, damaging or destroying 16 of the village's 50 houses and rattling the handful of nervous residents who remain.

“The worse Ukraine-Russia relations are, the more we simple people are suffering,” said 68-year-old Momot, who has worked at a dairy farm all her life.

Now with no home, “who could have imagined that? I was preparing for the winter, stocking up coal and firewood.”

After the shell hit her house, Momot fled to a nearby settlement where her son lives. But the anxiety has followed her there.

“We fear that a big war will start. People are scared and packed up their bags,” said Momot, who collected some blankets, warm clothes and other items in the debris.

The conflict in the eastern industrial heartland known as the Donbas erupted in April 2014, weeks after Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula following the ouster of Ukraine's Moscow-friendly former president. Ukraine and the West have accused Russia of supporting the rebels with troops and weapons, but Moscow says that Russians who joined the fight were volunteers acting on their own.

More than 14,000 people have been killed in fighting that has driven more than 2 million people from their homes in the east.

When the conflict began, Nevelske had a population of 286. Now, the five older people who remain in the ruined village collect rainwater for drinking and cooking. Between shipments of humanitarian aid, they rely on eating stale bread.

“We have grown accustomed to the shelling,” said 84-year-old Halyna Moroka, who has stayed in Nevelske with her disabled son.

A 2015 peace agreement brokered by France and Germany ended large-scale battles, but frequent skirmishes have continued. The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which monitors the shaky cease-fire, has reported an increasing number of such incidents, with both sides trading the blame for truce violations.

“The security situation along the contact line is still of concern, with a high level of kinetic activity,” Mikko Kinnune, the OSCE representative for the group that involves representatives of Ukraine, Russia and the rebels, said earlier this month.

Amid the recent Russian troop buildup, Washington and its allies have warned Moscow that it will pay a high economic price if it attacks Ukraine. Moscow denies having such intentions and accused Ukraine of planning to reclaim control of rebel-held territory, something Kyiv has rejected,

Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged the West to provide guarantees that NATO won't expand to include Ukraine or deploy the alliance's forces and weapons there, calling that a “red line” for Moscow. The U.S. and its allies have refused to make such a pledge, but U.S. President Joe Biden and Putin decided last week to hold talks to discuss Russian concerns.

The geopolitical threats resonate in Nevelske on those few occasions that the village has power, enabling its remaining residents to watch Russian television news.

“We don't want war!" exclaimed 75-year-old Kateryna Shklyar, who shares her fears with her husband, Dmytro. Their daughter and grandchildren live in nearby Krasnohorivka, a Ukrainian-controlled western suburb of Donetsk.

“For how long will this torment last?” asked Shklyar. “It has worn out our souls and hearts. You can't call that life, but we have no place to go.”

Humanitarian groups provide basic supplies to Nevelske and other villages and even try to offer housing in safer areas, but their resources are limited.

“I just survive each day, trying to make it to the evening, and my soul aches,” said Moroka, who has lost vision in one eye but can't get any medical help.

“We are frightened,” she added. “It's really scary to sit here and wait for death. It's horrible!”
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Yuras Karmanau reported from Kyiv, Ukraine.

Jittery Ukrainian villagers 'fear that a big war will start' - ABC News (go.com)
 

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Jittery Ukrainian villagers 'fear that a big war will start'
The seven-year-old conflict in eastern Ukraine has all but emptied the village of Nevelske located near the line of contact between Russia-backed separatists and Ukrainian forces
By INNA VARENYTSIA and YURAS KARMANAU Associated Press
15 December 2021, 23:16

NEVELSKE, Ukraine -- Liudmyla Momot wipes away tears as she searches for clothes and household items to salvage from the ruins of her home that was shelled by Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine.

Her village of Nevelske, northwest of the rebel-held city of Donetsk, is only about three kilometers (two miles) from the line of contact between the separatists and the Ukrainian military and has been emptied of all but five people
.

Small arms fire frequently is heard in the daytime, giving way to the booms of light artillery and mortar shelling after dusk.

With the bloody conflict now more than seven years old, there are fears in Ukraine and the West that a buildup of armed forces on Russia's side of the border could lead to an invasion or the resumption of full-scale hostilities.


Rebels targeted Nevelske with shelling twice in the last month, damaging or destroying 16 of the village's 50 houses and rattling the handful of nervous residents who remain.

“The worse Ukraine-Russia relations are, the more we simple people are suffering,” said 68-year-old Momot, who has worked at a dairy farm all her life.

Now with no home, “who could have imagined that? I was preparing for the winter, stocking up coal and firewood.”

After the shell hit her house, Momot fled to a nearby settlement where her son lives. But the anxiety has followed her there.

“We fear that a big war will start. People are scared and packed up their bags,” said Momot, who collected some blankets, warm clothes and other items in the debris.

The conflict in the eastern industrial heartland known as the Donbas erupted in April 2014, weeks after Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula following the ouster of Ukraine's Moscow-friendly former president. Ukraine and the West have accused Russia of supporting the rebels with troops and weapons, but Moscow says that Russians who joined the fight were volunteers acting on their own.

More than 14,000 people have been killed in fighting that has driven more than 2 million people from their homes in the east.

When the conflict began, Nevelske had a population of 286. Now, the five older people who remain in the ruined village collect rainwater for drinking and cooking. Between shipments of humanitarian aid, they rely on eating stale bread.

“We have grown accustomed to the shelling,” said 84-year-old Halyna Moroka, who has stayed in Nevelske with her disabled son.

A 2015 peace agreement brokered by France and Germany ended large-scale battles, but frequent skirmishes have continued. The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which monitors the shaky cease-fire, has reported an increasing number of such incidents, with both sides trading the blame for truce violations.

“The security situation along the contact line is still of concern, with a high level of kinetic activity,” Mikko Kinnune, the OSCE representative for the group that involves representatives of Ukraine, Russia and the rebels, said earlier this month.

Amid the recent Russian troop buildup, Washington and its allies have warned Moscow that it will pay a high economic price if it attacks Ukraine. Moscow denies having such intentions and accused Ukraine of planning to reclaim control of rebel-held territory, something Kyiv has rejected,

Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged the West to provide guarantees that NATO won't expand to include Ukraine or deploy the alliance's forces and weapons there, calling that a “red line” for Moscow. The U.S. and its allies have refused to make such a pledge, but U.S. President Joe Biden and Putin decided last week to hold talks to discuss Russian concerns.

The geopolitical threats resonate in Nevelske on those few occasions that the village has power, enabling its remaining residents to watch Russian television news.

“We don't want war!" exclaimed 75-year-old Kateryna Shklyar, who shares her fears with her husband, Dmytro. Their daughter and grandchildren live in nearby Krasnohorivka, a Ukrainian-controlled western suburb of Donetsk.

“For how long will this torment last?” asked Shklyar. “It has worn out our souls and hearts. You can't call that life, but we have no place to go.”

Humanitarian groups provide basic supplies to Nevelske and other villages and even try to offer housing in safer areas, but their resources are limited.

“I just survive each day, trying to make it to the evening, and my soul aches,” said Moroka, who has lost vision in one eye but can't get any medical help.

“We are frightened,” she added. “It's really scary to sit here and wait for death. It's horrible!”
———
Yuras Karmanau reported from Kyiv, Ukraine.

Jittery Ukrainian villagers 'fear that a big war will start' - ABC News (go.com)
Yes, Marie, this is very sad that the Ukrainian government will not move people out of a war zone.
 

naegling62

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some of my friends here think the answer is to 'Finlandize' Ukraine.

US sells/gives f-16 , Russia sells s-400 to Ukraine
Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics should of been made neutral and armed by both sides. Then turn them into an economic neutral zone facilitating trade between East and West.

Instead the West is only interested in fragmenting Russia into destabilized warring republics.

We're in this situation because the retards blew the peace dividend we won after the cold war.
 

OldAndCrazy

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FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN?
ELINT News Retweeted


Teri Schultz
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In response to Putin's demands that #NATO scale back cooperation with Ukraine, Sec Gen Stoltenberg says, "It is for Russia to change behavior. It is for Russia to change course." He says there will be no "compromise" on the right of NATO and Ukraine to work closely together.

He's sort of right. You put 10 divisions on someone's border, it could be said that's provocative.
 

phloydius

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From above Tweet: "BREAKING: USS Connecticut (SSN 22) Seawolf-class nuclear attack submarine leaving San Diego - December 15, 2021 #ussconnecticut #ssn22 "


This article indicates that the USS Connecticut (SSN-22) departed San Diego, and is heading to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Washington for repairs.
 

OldAndCrazy

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From above Tweet: "BREAKING: USS Connecticut (SSN 22) Seawolf-class nuclear attack submarine leaving San Diego - December 15, 2021 #ussconnecticut #ssn22 "


This article indicates that the USS Connecticut (SSN-22) departed San Diego, and is heading to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Washington for repairs.

Yeah, no need to freak out.
 

CaryC

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Heard on Fox last night, so no link......

A US ship of some kind, tested a laser firing thing-a-ma-jig and scored a direct hit and destroyed it. Wondering if it was on the news as a means to let Russia know we got new gadgets, and are good at it.

Yeah just let the world know just how bada** we are.

I'm sorry I just didn't know "total transparency" meant that kind of transparency.

Better pay attention Russia, you don't want none of this.

Sorry just this whole thing stinks, along with the evac of Kabul. Goat herders kicked our butte.
 

OldAndCrazy

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Heard on Fox last night, so no link......

A US ship of some kind, tested a laser firing thing-a-ma-jig and scored a direct hit and destroyed it. Wondering if it was on the news as a means to let Russia know we got new gadgets, and are good at it.

Yeah just let the world know just how bada** we are.

I'm sorry I just didn't know "total transparency" meant that kind of transparency.

Better pay attention Russia, you don't want none of this.

Sorry just this whole thing stinks, along with the evac of Kabul. Goat herders kicked our butte.

It made a 'pew, pew, pew!!' sound. :D
 

CaryC

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Heard on Fox last night, so no link......
Got one now:

U.S. Navy Successfully Tests High-energy Laser Weapon in Gulf of Aden
new laser weapon tested by US navy
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(UPI) — A U.S. Navy ship successfully fired a new, high-energy laser weapon on Tuesday, destroying a training target.
The USS Portland destroyed the static target in the Gulf of Aden as part of a demonstration.

The gulf separates East Africa and the Arabian Peninsula.

The system was initially installed on the San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock ship in 2018, successfully destroyed an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) in 2020.

The Laser Weapons System Demonstrator (LWSD) is a “follow-on to the Laser Weapon System (LaWS) that afloat forward staging base USS Ponce tested for three years while operating in the Middle East,” according to a Navy release.
Amphibious transport dock ship USS Portland (LPD 27) conducted a high-energy laser weapon system demonstration, Dec. 14, while sailing in the Gulf of Aden. Read more ⬇️USS Portland Tests High Energy Laser Weapon System in Gulf of Aden pic.twitter.com/L0xfysIG1q
— U.S. 5th Fleet (@US5thFleet) December 15, 2021

The LWSD is the Navy’s strongest laser weapon, five times more powerful than the 30-kilowatt LaWS, which is capable of downing small aircraft. Tuesday’s test-firing was not its first trial run.

The five-year-old ship is part of the Essex Amphibious Ready Group. The group departed Naval Base San Diego in August and began operating in the U.S. 5th Fleet region in September.

The Navy says the “region’s geography, climate, and strategic importance offer a unique environment for technology innovation.”

U.S. Navy Successfully Tests High-energy Laser Weapon in Gulf of Aden (breitbart.com)
 

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NATO head post this on his personal account...
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Jens Stoltenberg

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Substantive meeting with President @ZelenskyyUa to address #Russia's military build-up. Moscow must return to diplomacy & respect #Ukraine's sovereignty & territorial integrity. #NATO stands with Ukraine. All countries have the right to choose own security arrangements.
 

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16 DEC, 11:22
Moscow will respond if cargo transit from Belarus via Lithuania is banned
Moscow urges the partners not to follow the path of disrupting economic ties, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova stressed

MOSCOW, December 16. /TASS/. Russia will not ignore a possible ban on transit through Lithuania of cargoes from Belarus if it is imposed, according to a commentary by Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova on the bill imposing sanctions against Minsk that is currently under consideration in Lithuania.
"Information about a possible ban on the transit of cargoes from Belarus through Lithuania was received with anxiety. We are convinced that this is a dead-end road as it may affect the provision of the Kaliningrad Region, negatively influence the economy, social position and the quality of life of the population of this Russian region," the commentary said.
"If passed, these restrictive measures will obviously not go unnoticed by Russia. We urge the partners not to follow the path of disrupting economic ties, but to do everything to normalize the situation and fully observe the international obligations of Lithuania regarding ensuring Russian cargo transit to and from the Kaliningrad Region, particularly the Russian-Lithuanian intergovernmental agreement on international highway service dated 1993 and other agreements," the diplomat noted.
Concurrently, Poland’s tightening of the requirement on the provision on PCR tests on the Russian-Polish border, reducing their period of validity to 24 hours, without preliminary notification has been surprising, Zakharova added. "Of course, we understand the difficulties of the epidemiological environment and the necessity of adequate measures on tackling the pandemic. However, we believe that it is necessary to discuss such steps concerning the routine life of many people with the international partners which are involved, and warn about them beforehand," she stressed.

Earlier, Lithuania’s Ministry of Transport and Communications drafted a bill prohibiting the transit of goods from Belarus. The bill registered by the ministry on December 10, suggests that the government and Sejm (parliament) of Lithuania impose sanctions on products imported from Belarus, purchased directly or supplied indirectly from the country. If implemented, the measure will prevent the transit of fertilizers of the Belarusian company Belaruskali through the territory of Lithuania.
 

Techwreck

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Doesn't look like the west is interested in working something out, and Putin seems to know it.
Russia will have to enforce their red lines if they want to have any, as there seems to be no desire on the part of team deep state to respect or recognize Russia's concerns.
Sure hope there are adult back-channel discussions, or this will kick off at some point, and then everyone loses.
Except the MIC.
 

CaryC

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We are convinced that this is a dead-end road as it may affect the provision of the Kaliningrad Region, negatively influence the economy, social position and the quality of life of the population of this Russian region,"
Not to sidetrack the thread, but just in the way of a reminder.......

Kaliningrad is the old East Prussia, where my mother was born. During WWII while my mother worked as a nurse's aid in the German Army, her family fled their homestead in East Prussia due to the invading Russian Army. Good thing too. Eventually The Russians forced out all non-Russian, in a mass exodus of German born, German speaking people.

So the Russian population and Russian quality of life is something I could care less about.

But it is something Russia cares very much about, and even has nuclear missiles stored there. It's not called a Russian Protectorate for nothing, or to be culturally appropriate.
 

phloydius

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Talking with a Ukrainian about Russian Invasion of Ukraine & WW3
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74tiKfdhBc
Runtime 35m

This guy (who pumps fear in most of his videos) interviews a Ukrainian who is in a trucker in the US.
I'm watching now, and will try to post a bit of summary info.


All times are approximate:
Starts with rambling
5m If Putin invades, it will be in winter or summer, not spring or fall. Says if he doesn't invade in the next few weeks, he'll wait until summer. Putin does not care about Christmas.
10m Why Putin wants to invade
12m Rambles on about prophecy of nuclear attacks on Ukraine.
28m Chernobyl is proof that nuclear war is survivable.
34m They guy he is interviewing has his own youtube channel
 
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