Shoot brother . . . we almost didn't hear about it on TB2K . . .
Never gonna hear it on Fox
ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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Shoot brother . . . we almost didn't hear about it on TB2K . . .
Never gonna hear it on Fox
Yet another problem facing Ukraine - Lack of uniformity in unit & individual training and weapons.
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The Importance of Uniform as Ukraine Contemplates an Offensive - A Son of the New American Revolution
I suppose it should not surprise anyone that the failure to understand the challenges Ukraine faces in trying to launch a counter offensive is a consequence of the fact that...
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danielboon
TB Fanatic
sure 
"At the time of the drone attack on the Moscow region, Putin was in the Novo-Ogaryovo residence and almost got hit", — The Moscow Times View: https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1663920055719981057
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Putin's security service reportedly woke him up early due to the air raid alert. Drones almost hit the second capital residence of the Russian president, and at the moment when he was in it. The drones were shot down when they were about 6-10 km from Putin's residence.
"At the time of the drone attack on the Moscow region, Putin was in the Novo-Ogaryovo residence and almost got hit", — The Moscow Times View: https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1663920055719981057
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Putin's security service reportedly woke him up early due to the air raid alert. Drones almost hit the second capital residence of the Russian president, and at the moment when he was in it. The drones were shot down when they were about 6-10 km from Putin's residence.
onetimer
Veteran Member
Still looking for info on the reported NATO officer casualties. So far things are lining up that it's very possible it did happen.
View: https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1663940427534172160?s=20
May 31, 2023 RUSSIA
Ukrainian drone strikes cause inferno at Russian oil refinery | Ukrainian drone strikes cause huge inferno at an oil refinery in the Krasnodar region of Russia, as Ukraine continues to use drone strikes in their counteroffensive against Russia.
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Ukrainian drone strikes cause inferno at Russian oil refinery
northern watch
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northern watch
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I think that we need to be watching two potential areas for the out-break of major war simultaneously, the Far East / Taiwan and the Ukraine. I believe that when one goes, so goes the other!
That bet has been on the table since this started.
northern watch
TB Fanatic
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
sure
"At the time of the drone attack on the Moscow region, Putin was in the Novo-Ogaryovo residence and almost got hit", — The Moscow Times View: https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1663920055719981057
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Putin's security service reportedly woke him up early due to the air raid alert. Drones almost hit the second capital residence of the Russian president, and at the moment when he was in it. The drones were shot down when they were about 6-10 km from Putin's residence.
Does anyone really think this war will be over if Putin disappeared?
This is folly!
Europe needs Russia, not the other way round. Russia has rich natural resources, China has the industrial might and people. Anyone adding this up?
Oh, and where is the Ukrainian leader? From what I'm allowed to read, not in the Ukraine....
Stupidity abounds.
blueinterceptor
Veteran Member
Consider this. Russia will still be there if Putin is gone. IT’s resources etc etc. Perhaps a more amiable (read bribable) leader will be installed. Someone more willing to go along to get along.
And they won't be the "cheap date" that the Biden Syndicate seems to have been....
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
They not only need Russia, they want and need it broken up and under their control.
Broken to the Halter, as it were...
naegling62
Veteran Member
I would think if Putin were to go down what would follow would make Hitler's night of the long knives amateurish. I think the behind the scenes opposition would take the opportunity to back away from WWIII.
Which way Russian man? Folks really need to read the complete history or Russia.
Which way Russian man? Folks really need to read the complete history or Russia.
All of these imagined scenarios would be interesting if
"the west" had not already stated the intent to remove Russia from the map and break it up.
I am pretty sure the Russians believe it.
And that is the only question you need consider.
Do the Russians believe the intent is to wipe them off the planet - genocide?
But you go ahead and believe you can "make a deal" with someone who knows you are going to destroy them.
"the west" had not already stated the intent to remove Russia from the map and break it up.
I am pretty sure the Russians believe it.
And that is the only question you need consider.
Do the Russians believe the intent is to wipe them off the planet - genocide?
But you go ahead and believe you can "make a deal" with someone who knows you are going to destroy them.
The Moscow attack appears to have more of an impact than some have maintained?
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‘Why Are You So Happy?’ Russian Propagandist Slams Own Audience Over Moscow Drone Attack Comments
Vladimir Solovyov warned his viewers to be ‘careful with their intonation’ after some said they were happy at drones attacking a suburb where Putin has an official home.
by Kyiv Post | May 31, 2023, 6:16 pm | Comments ( 1)
Russia’s chief propagandist Vladimir Solovyov launched into a tirade against his own audience on May 30 after some expressed joy at drones exploding over an upmarket district in Moscow that’s home to many Russian officials.
Speaking on his TV show "Solovyov Live", he advised his fellow citizens to “come to their senses” after becoming incensed by viewers’ comments.
“Why are you guys writing this bulls**t?” he asked. “Do you like the fact that a strike has happened in Moscow? Why are you so happy? Do Russian people not live there? Are they not our compatriots?”
He added: “What are you making such a big deal out of? Or have we no longer got a united country… a united people?”
Solovyov’s rant came just a few hours after the Russian capital came under attack from kamikaze drones that damaged two buildings and injured two people.
Moscow authorities said eight drones were used in the attack, though other non-state media sources claimed the real number was closer to 25. A senior Russian lawmaker said three drones had been downed over the capital's exclusive Rublyovka suburb where Russian President Vladimir Putin has an official residence.
State propagandist Vladimir Solovyov went off on Tuesday morning against his Russian compatriots who jeered at the fact that many of the drones that attacked Moscow were intercepted in and around the city’s most notoriously affluent suburb. Class war! pic.twitter.com/rn4q63gOii
Solovyov told his viewers to be “careful with their intonation,” adding: “Shove your ego up your ***hole… think about the country and think about the people.”
His viewers’ opinions appeared to be shared by Wagner Private Military Group Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin. whose profanity-laden outburst on May 30 lambasted officials from the Russian Defense Ministry for allowing drones to fly over Moscow. He accused them of failing to step up and implored them to “tear the s**t out of their offices.”
At the same time, Prigozhin appeared to be fine with drones flying over the elite Rublyovka suburb.
“The fact that they fly into Rublyovka – to hell with it, let your houses go up in flames,” he said. “But what are ordinary people to do when drones carrying explosives crash into their windows.”
www.kyivpost.com
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‘Why Are You So Happy?’ Russian Propagandist Slams Own Audience Over Moscow Drone Attack Comments
Vladimir Solovyov warned his viewers to be ‘careful with their intonation’ after some said they were happy at drones attacking a suburb where Putin has an official home.
by Kyiv Post | May 31, 2023, 6:16 pm | Comments ( 1)
Russia’s chief propagandist Vladimir Solovyov launched into a tirade against his own audience on May 30 after some expressed joy at drones exploding over an upmarket district in Moscow that’s home to many Russian officials.
Speaking on his TV show "Solovyov Live", he advised his fellow citizens to “come to their senses” after becoming incensed by viewers’ comments.
“Why are you guys writing this bulls**t?” he asked. “Do you like the fact that a strike has happened in Moscow? Why are you so happy? Do Russian people not live there? Are they not our compatriots?”
He added: “What are you making such a big deal out of? Or have we no longer got a united country… a united people?”
Solovyov’s rant came just a few hours after the Russian capital came under attack from kamikaze drones that damaged two buildings and injured two people.
Moscow authorities said eight drones were used in the attack, though other non-state media sources claimed the real number was closer to 25. A senior Russian lawmaker said three drones had been downed over the capital's exclusive Rublyovka suburb where Russian President Vladimir Putin has an official residence.
State propagandist Vladimir Solovyov went off on Tuesday morning against his Russian compatriots who jeered at the fact that many of the drones that attacked Moscow were intercepted in and around the city’s most notoriously affluent suburb. Class war! pic.twitter.com/rn4q63gOii
Solovyov told his viewers to be “careful with their intonation,” adding: “Shove your ego up your ***hole… think about the country and think about the people.”
His viewers’ opinions appeared to be shared by Wagner Private Military Group Chief Yevgeny Prigozhin. whose profanity-laden outburst on May 30 lambasted officials from the Russian Defense Ministry for allowing drones to fly over Moscow. He accused them of failing to step up and implored them to “tear the s**t out of their offices.”
At the same time, Prigozhin appeared to be fine with drones flying over the elite Rublyovka suburb.
“The fact that they fly into Rublyovka – to hell with it, let your houses go up in flames,” he said. “But what are ordinary people to do when drones carrying explosives crash into their windows.”
‘Why Are You So Happy?’ Russian Propagandist Slams Own Audience Over Moscow Drone Attack Comments
Vladimir Solovyov warned his viewers to be ‘careful with their intonation’ after some said they were happy at drones attacking a suburb where Putin has an official home.
www.kyivpost.com
colonel holman
Veteran Member
One needs an intact leader to negotiate the end of hostilities. Otherwise, the fires keep burning uncontrolled throughout the theater of conflict, long after someone won the war
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Kadyrov RU Offensive Starting, Avdeyevka; Ukr Shells Belgorod, Putin Warns; Biden Erdogan Tense Call
Run time - 1:17:42
May 31, 2023
TIME STAMPS
- Intro 00:00
- TASS: Shelling on Belgorod 05:40
- Putin: Drone Strikes 10:44
- Shoigu: Ukraine attacks comments 17:36
- Ukraine offensive, waiting 28:04
- Kadirov: Tschetschens go on attack 30:20
- Putin-RTE post election call 37:10
- Biden-RTE post election call 39:50
- Turkish read-out of Biden call 43:55
- Modi's G7 comments 47:10
- Lula comes home from G7, calls Putin 1:04:20
Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Oh boy, a new world this morning.
You know what the irony here is, don'cha. They all speak and read Russian.
Mobile communications went down in Ukraine yesterday.
Vodafone and Kyivstar operators stopped working.
And this morning subscribers received SMS "Welcome to Russia".
t.me
You know what the irony here is, don'cha. They all speak and read Russian.
Mobile communications went down in Ukraine yesterday.
Vodafone and Kyivstar operators stopped working.
And this morning subscribers received SMS "Welcome to Russia".
Slavyangrad
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Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Krivoy Rog is is Mr. Zelenski's home town.
And "Kryvyi Rih is the iron heart of our country and the people who live here have an iron character. I would say so.
In Krivoy Rog, Ukraine, "concerned Nazis" are looking for absolute madmen who blasted the USSR anthem in broad daylight.
@ukraine_watch
t.me
And "Kryvyi Rih is the iron heart of our country and the people who live here have an iron character. I would say so.
In Krivoy Rog, Ukraine, "concerned Nazis" are looking for absolute madmen who blasted the USSR anthem in broad daylight.
@ukraine_watch
Ukraine Watch
In Krivoy Rog, Ukraine, "concerned Nazis" are looking for absolute madmen who blasted the USSR anthem in broad daylight. @ukraine_watch
t.me
The US State Dept has lost it - no longer living in the real world.
edition.cnn.com
“But where and when, or even if the Russians can be brought to the table, that's got to be President Zelensky, his decision,” Kirby said.
White House says it supports Ukraine peace summit — even without Russia
At least three people were killed, including two children, and several others were injured in a series of strikes in Kyiv early Thursday, the mayor said.
“But where and when, or even if the Russians can be brought to the table, that's got to be President Zelensky, his decision,” Kirby said.
Someone has just redefined "Summit"The US State Dept has lost it - no longer living in the real world.
White House says it supports Ukraine peace summit — even without Russia
At least three people were killed, including two children, and several others were injured in a series of strikes in Kyiv early Thursday, the mayor said.
“But where and when, or even if the Russians can be brought to the table, that's got to be President Zelensky, his decision,” Kirby said.
Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Hmmmm,
(GOOGLE returns 0 results for "May 29, 2023 Russia sinks Ukraine ship")
Accordingly, "state-controlled" UA news have agreed this event never occurred.
Ukrinform: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Ukranews: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Russia sinks Ukraine’s ‘last warship’ – MOD, 31 May
The Russian military has destroyed Ukraine’s “last warship,” the Yury Olefirenko, in a high-precision airstrike, the Defense Ministry in Moscow said on Wednesday.
“On May 29, as a result of a strike by a high-precision weapon of the Russian Aerospace Forces on a warship mooring in the port of Odessa, the last warship of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, the Yury Olefirenko, was destroyed,” the ministry stated in a report shared on its Telegram channel.
A day earlier, war correspondent Andrey Rudenko also reported that the Yury Olefirenko had been sunk after a series of overnight airstrikes on military facilities in Odessa, citing Ukrainian sources.
Ukrainian officials have yet to confirm the sinking of the ship. Oleg Chalyk, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Navy, told Reuters that he would not respond to Russian claims, and that the Ukrainian Navy would not disclose the details of any losses.
(GOOGLE returns 0 results for "May 29, 2023 Russia sinks Ukraine ship")
Accordingly, "state-controlled" UA news have agreed this event never occurred.
Ukrinform: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Ukranews: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Ironically, unlike Ukrinform, Ukranews has been intensely interested in RFN deployment in the Black Sea. In the period, the headline count of "combat ships on duty" ranges 3-7—embellish with suspiciously precise detail. For example (30 May).
As of 11:30 a.m., Tuesday, May 30, Russia is holding 7 ships on combat duty in the Black Sea, including 4 carriers of Kalibr cruise missiles with a total salvo of up to 34 missiles. The command of the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced this, Ukrainian News Agency reports.
"In the Black Sea there are 7 enemy ships on combat duty, of which 4 carriers of Kalibr cruise missiles, a total salvo - up to 34 missiles; in the Sea of Azov - 1 enemy ship; in the Mediterranean Sea, up to 7 enemy ships are on combat duty, of which 1 carrier of Kalibr cruise missiles, a total salvo - up to 4 missiles," the report said.
(GOOGLE returns 0 results for "May 29, 2023 Russia sinks Ukraine ship")
Accordingly, "state-controlled" UA news have agreed this event never occurred.
Ukrinform: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Ukranews: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Russia sinks Ukraine’s ‘last warship’ – MOD, 31 May
The Russian military has destroyed Ukraine’s “last warship,” the Yury Olefirenko, in a high-precision airstrike, the Defense Ministry in Moscow said on Wednesday.
“On May 29, as a result of a strike by a high-precision weapon of the Russian Aerospace Forces on a warship mooring in the port of Odessa, the last warship of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, the Yury Olefirenko, was destroyed,” the ministry stated in a report shared on its Telegram channel.
A day earlier, war correspondent Andrey Rudenko also reported that the Yury Olefirenko had been sunk after a series of overnight airstrikes on military facilities in Odessa, citing Ukrainian sources.
Ukrainian officials have yet to confirm the sinking of the ship. Oleg Chalyk, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Navy, told Reuters that he would not respond to Russian claims, and that the Ukrainian Navy would not disclose the details of any losses.
(GOOGLE returns 0 results for "May 29, 2023 Russia sinks Ukraine ship")
Accordingly, "state-controlled" UA news have agreed this event never occurred.
Ukrinform: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Ukranews: 0 notice, 25-31 May
Ironically, unlike Ukrinform, Ukranews has been intensely interested in RFN deployment in the Black Sea. In the period, the headline count of "combat ships on duty" ranges 3-7—embellish with suspiciously precise detail. For example (30 May).
As of 11:30 a.m., Tuesday, May 30, Russia is holding 7 ships on combat duty in the Black Sea, including 4 carriers of Kalibr cruise missiles with a total salvo of up to 34 missiles. The command of the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced this, Ukrainian News Agency reports.
"In the Black Sea there are 7 enemy ships on combat duty, of which 4 carriers of Kalibr cruise missiles, a total salvo - up to 34 missiles; in the Sea of Azov - 1 enemy ship; in the Mediterranean Sea, up to 7 enemy ships are on combat duty, of which 1 carrier of Kalibr cruise missiles, a total salvo - up to 4 missiles," the report said.
without reference, as is the custom, to UA Navy assets in service in any sea.
They figured out how to obliterate the news with Afghanistan.
If something goes well, it becomes news.
If it does not work out, it is not reported.
So , no news means . . .
That's an awfully good point, MarkD. I've been considering that exact same thing (admittedly from a layman's POV, however) and came to essentially the same conclusion.
Things buzzing around at low speed at treetop level are undoubtedly being filtered out with the rest of the white noise. Otherwise every owl, chicken hawk or buzzard would be getting a SAM up their keesters and nobody wants a bunch of indignant bird ladies on their tail feathers. I'm sure that angle is being or else has been tried, though. If something is flying a straight fly path instead of circling like a buzzard or stopping to observe like an owl or eagle would (because there are no straight lines in nature), that's a clue but still, under-the-horizon discovery is anything but optimum.
Other than some magical software improvements, about the only present, practical solution one could see is to have over-the-horizon assets on station which could spot straight-line flight paths a long ways off and assign them target IDs. So the Russian equivalents of AWACS (to disrupt the real-time data stream being fed into the strike package as well) or Rivet Joint data gatherers would have to be added into the mix.
It's not entirely impossible that the answer may well be loitering drones which could be landed, refueled and relaunched as part of a complete wing (or some way of refueling drones in flight could ultimately be useful). Staying behind the front lines at an altitude which gives them some CAP coverage as well as OTH peeks without exposing themselves to SAM networks might be something they're looking at, too. There could be a sweet spot in there somewhere which would satisfy all 3 conditions.
They may have shiny orbital killer toys which are ready but I'm sure they wouldn't want to show that capability before NATO aircraft came into theater. This is strictly conjecture, of course.
There's some smart folks somewhere working these issues. People in the Russian MoD and the Puzzle Palace are undoubtedly sucking in information daily, as well as people like the Iranians (seemingly now the largest manufacturer of drones due to the ones which they've recovered from us), the Israelis, the Turks, the Chinese. You name it, the MIC has their geeks watching and learning right now while all the toys are being brought out of the basement.
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The US State Dept has lost it - no longer living in the real world.
White House says it supports Ukraine peace summit — even without Russia
At least three people were killed, including two children, and several others were injured in a series of strikes in Kyiv early Thursday, the mayor said.
“But where and when, or even if the Russians can be brought to the table, that's got to be President Zelensky, his decision,” Kirby said.
The State Department hasn't been living in the real world for a long time.....
vector7
Dot Collector
Mexican TV reports that dozens of U.S. AT-4 weapons systems, which were originally shipped to Ukraine, have been purchased by Cartel Golfo in Mexico.
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1664084081888329730?s=20
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View: https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1664084081888329730?s=20
onetimer
Veteran Member
Wow!Mexican TV reports that dozens of U.S. AT-4 weapons systems, which were originally shipped to Ukraine, have been purchased by Cartel Golfo in Mexico.
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1664084081888329730?s=20
Probably direct sell. From Iran-Contra to Mexico-Cartel, kind of our MO with government procured weapons.
The Cee Eye Ay has got its financial forensics people on the job to comb through Zelensky's "secure" accounts. (He thinks they're hidden but the accounts are wide open to these folks) They're not looking for criminal activity as much as they're tracking down whether or not the Big Guy got stiffed for his 10%. They couldn't care less about a bunch of AT-4s.
A few billion here, a few billion there - at 10%, pretty soon you're talking about some real money.
A few billion here, a few billion there - at 10%, pretty soon you're talking about some real money.
vector7
Dot Collector
The 20-year War on Terror raked in $8 TRILLION in profits for the military industrial complex. I wonder ... is that why we're already funding ANOTHER "forever war" in Ukraine?!
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Same "PlayBook" same authors - CIA - all for Social Media;
Ukrainian battalions such as the White Wolves are filming footage for social media consumption from a bird's-eye view that verges on the gamification of real-life combat.
www.newsweek.com
Ukrainian battalions such as the White Wolves are filming footage for social media consumption from a bird's-eye view that verges on the gamification of real-life combat.
How Ukraine followed the ISIS playbook
Battlefield and recruitment videos released by Ukraine and Russia in the ongoing war bear hallmarks of video propaganda pushed by the Islamic State group.
www.newsweek.com
His free speech rights only apply to him while he is in the US while he is in Ukraine he is a foreigner the country is under martial law and at war for it's very survival so none of this applies
vector7
Dot Collector
Lou Dobbs: The Chinese Communists are telling the West they plan to go to war--and the Marxist Dem-led Biden Regime must be surely asking the CCP, "How can we help? No extra charge."
Xi Jinping tells China’s national security chiefs to prepare for ‘worst case’ scenarios news.yahoo.com/xi-jinping-tel… via @YahooNews Xi Jinping tells China’s national security chiefs to prepare for ‘worst case’ scenarios
Stolen elections have consequences. And we’re all about to pay the price for it. And to all the nonbelievers out there, your about to experience the same effect due to your ignorance….. Enjoy.
View: https://twitter.com/Sonashingle/status/1664246202534166528?t=aXu8y3ALqsedd5LNUtNdGg&s=19
Xi Jinping tells China’s national security chiefs to prepare for ‘worst case’ scenarios news.yahoo.com/xi-jinping-tel… via @YahooNews Xi Jinping tells China’s national security chiefs to prepare for ‘worst case’ scenarios
Stolen elections have consequences. And we’re all about to pay the price for it. And to all the nonbelievers out there, your about to experience the same effect due to your ignorance….. Enjoy.
View: https://twitter.com/Sonashingle/status/1664246202534166528?t=aXu8y3ALqsedd5LNUtNdGg&s=19