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The #Pentagon has signed a contract for more than $430 million with Lockheed Martin to produce additional #HIMARS MLRSs.

The systems are intended both for the U.S. military and for U.S. allies abroad. More than 20 HIMARS systems are currently deployed in #Ukraine.
 

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Putin tells Scholz that Ukraine infrastructure strikes 'inevitable': Kremlin - War in Ukraine - World
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Russian President Vladimir Putin attends a meeting with participants of the II Congress of Young Scientists in Sochi on December 1, 2022. AFP
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"Such measures have become a forced and inevitable response to Kyiv's provocative attacks on Russia's civilian infrastructure," the Kremlin said in a statement following the telephone talks, the first between Putin and Scholz since mid-September.

"Attention was drawn to the destructive line of Western states, including Germany, that is pumping the Kyiv regime with weapons, and are training the Ukrainian military," the Kremlin added.
 

Melodi

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Is he banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church or the Russian Orthodox Church? Last I heard it was the Russian Orthodox Church that had declared this a Holy War with Russians supposedly on a Holy Mission from "God" to bring Ukraine back into the Russian fold (the Ukrainian church split off a few years ago, it's complicated).

While anything is possible, I suspect this reporting news by Twitter may be slightly confusing...

However, it is possible that he is banning The Orthodox Churches in Ukraine that have stayed under the Russian Metropolitan.
 

Cedar Lake

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Is he banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church or the Russian Orthodox Church? Last I heard it was the Russian Orthodox Church that had declared this a Holy War with Russians supposedly on a Holy Mission from "God" to bring Ukraine back into the Russian fold (the Ukrainian church split off a few years ago, it's complicated).

While anything is possible, I suspect this reporting news by Twitter may be slightly confusing...

However, it is possible that he is banning The Orthodox Churches in Ukraine that have stayed under the Russian Metropolitan.
He's Banning the Church so he can immediately confiscate all of the Church's stuff.
He fully intends to ''Take It All''.
Exercising the full power of a dictator and despot.
 

CaryC

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He's Banning the Church so he can immediately confiscate all of the Church's stuff.
He fully intends to ''Take It All''.
Exercising the full power of a dictator and despot.
Aaaaannnnd saw a report that the EU is looking into taking Russian bank accounts that have been frozen to RE-BUILD Ukraine. While they are still at war? It sounds like they want to re-build Ukraine while Russian rockets are falling, and they are assuming the war is nearly over.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
He's Banning the Church so he can immediately confiscate all of the Church's stuff.
He fully intends to ''Take It All''.
Exercising the full power of a dictator and despot.
Do we have another source for this to clarify whether it is the Ukrainian Church he is doing this to? I mean nothing would totally surprise me, but the Patriarch of Moscow did declare a holy crusade against Ukraine and even said Russian soldiers fighting against the Ukrainians and the Ukrainian Church were "blessed."

So I could see Zalinski confiscating any Russian Orthodox churches (a lot of Churches dropped Moscow and changed over to Ukraine or Constantinople) but not the ones loyal to the Patriarch of Ukraine (and I don't know who that is, I am not Orthodox, I just have friends who are in the US and in Europe).
 
Do we have another source for this to clarify whether it is the Ukrainian Church he is doing this to? I mean nothing would totally surprise me, but the Patriarch of Moscow did declare a holy crusade against Ukraine and even said Russian soldiers fighting against the Ukrainians and the Ukrainian Church were "blessed."

So I could see Zalinski confiscating any Russian Orthodox churches (a lot of Churches dropped Moscow and changed over to Ukraine or Constantinople) but not the ones loyal to the Patriarch of Ukraine (and I don't know who that is, I am not Orthodox, I just have friends who are in the US and in Europe).
2 Dec, 2022 08:52
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Zelensky cracks down on Ukraine's biggest church​

Kiev's domestic security agency has launched a series of raids at Orthodox Church sites
Zelensky cracks down on Ukraine's biggest church

A Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) serviceman talks with a visitor in front of Kiev Pechersk Lavra monastery on November 22, 2022. © Sergei CHUZAVKOV / AFP

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has announced new measures seeking to ban religious institutions deemed to have links with Russia. He said the move is intended to safeguard the nation’s “spiritual independence” amid Kiev’s conflict with Moscow.

The president's principal target is the Ukranian Orthodox Church, the country's largest, which is linked to the Moscow Patriarchate.

The statement comes as the SBU, Ukraine’s domestic security agency, launched what it called a “counter intelligence” action at several Ukrainian Orthodox Church sites in three regions. The raids targeted at least eight religious sites on Friday, aiming to identify individuals suspected of undermining Ukraine’s sovereignty.

Writing on Telegram, Zelensky said on Thursday that the National Security and Defense Council had held a meeting, which focused on “numerous facts of ties of certain religious circles in Ukraine with the aggressor state.” The Council has instructed Ukraine’s government to introduce a law to make it impossible for “religious organizations affiliated with centers of influence” in Russia to operate in the country, Zelensky said.

Meanwhile, Ukraine’s state watchdog responsible for overseeing the religious sphere was ordered to establish whether the Ukrainian Orthodox Church has religious links with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Ukrainian lawmakers propose banning Russian Orthodox Church
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Ukrainian lawmakers propose banning Russian Orthodox Church

The Council also accused Russian special services of “subversive activities” in the religious sphere and instructed all national security bodies to “identify and counter” these alleged efforts. According to Zelensky, Kiev will also impose personal sanctions on a number of individuals, with the list expected to be published in the near future.

The Ukrainian authorities also intend to check whether religious organizations have the right to use property located on the territory of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, Zelensky said in an apparent reference to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which currently administers the site.

Last week, the lavra, which is considered to be the most prominent Orthodox Christian monastery in Ukraine, was raided by the SBU. The agency said it wanted to prevent alleged “subversive activities of Russian special services.”
Ukraine has long experienced religious tensions, with a number of entities claiming to be the true Ukrainian Orthodox Church, challenging the authority of the Moscow Patriarchate.

The two main rival factions are the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which declared independence from Moscow after Russia launched its military operation, and the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU), which is considered by the Russian Orthodox


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Slydersan

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According to a few articles I just read about this - it isn't ALL of the orthodox churches like some have opined. Apparently there is a split in Ukraine. There is the Ukraine Orthodox Church (UOC) that split off and consider themselves independent of Russia, and the Ukraine Orthodox Church - Russian Patriarchate (UOC-RP). The UKR leadership is going after any of them that still support the invasion of Ukraine, etc. So this mostly is going against the UOC-RP, but there are some holdovers of the UOC that are Russia-friendly.

Here is one article about it, though I read about 5 that seemed to show this same viewpoint.

 

Melodi

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Yep, it is linked to Moscow making it all the more confusing, I'll check with some of my Orthodox friends, I suspect this is yet another tangle of a situation that has been rocking the Orthodox world pretty much since the war started but seriously since Patriarch Kyrill in Moscow declared a Holy War on Ukraine. Ukraine has both "Ukrainian" and "Russian" Orthodox churches and I think a few that may be under "Constantinople" but I'm not sure (Istanbul).

There is no one "pope" in Orthodoxy, there are a number of Patriarchs, it only really matters to non-members right now because of the political ramifications which is why I try to pay attention. I may even bring this up in the vid chat I'm in tonight because the host is a retired Orthodox Priest, I will report back if I learn anything useful.
 

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Combat readiness in the US ED in Lithuania: Serious Ukraine-Belarus border incidents – Latvia seals border with Russia​

Latvia also destroyed the bridge across the tri-national border (video)​

02/12/2022 - 20:29
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Thomas Friedman: Because this is a true World War!

An order for combat readiness was given to U.S. forces stationed in Lithuania at a time when there were repeated Ukraine-Belarus border incidents. Belarusian forces have shot down three Ukrainian drones in a short period of time.

Both the Americans and the Baltic states expect hostilities to break out soon with a focus on Belarus.

Ukrainian forces are constantly sending surveillance drones to record the positions of Russian and Belarusian forces as well as the arrangement of their forces.

According to the Belarusian State Border Commission, two drones were shot down with an anti-drone weapon on November 2 and 16 while another entered Belarusian airspace from Volyn, western Ukraine, on November 26.

At the same time, for an inexplicable reason, an armed Ukrainian soldier crossed the Belarusian border, the State Border Commission (CPC) of the Republic of Belarus said, giving the relevant video to the public.

Latvia destroyed the bridge across the tri-national border​

Russians speak of violating the 2010 border demarcation agreement as Riga demolished the pedestrian bridge over the Sinyukha River at the Friendship Tomb, an artificially created tomb on the border of Belarus, Russia and Latvia.

"Latvia destroyed the footbridge on the country's border with Russia on the border where 3 countries meet. In doing so, Riga violated the 2010 agreement, which stipulates the intersection of three states:

Russia, Belarus and Latvia. The bridge was an important part of the demarcation agreement,"
russians comment.

The video of the demolition of the pedestrian bridge on the Latvian-Belarusian border at the Friendship Tomb has been released.

The Daugavpils section of the state border guard of the Latvian Ministry of Internal Affairs warned Belarusian border guards in advance about the demolition of the bridge. The explanation was the need to carry out work on mechanical and technical facilities.

But later they destroyed the bridge in small fragments.

The Tomb of Friendship was filled in 1959 with soil from the graves of partisans who died in these places during the Great Patriotic War. Every year in July a meeting of war veterans and youth patriots is held here.

"I don't know how to humanely express what just happened. How can you hate our history so much, our grandparents?! This tomb was filled with these partisans who fought. And the earth was removed from the graves of the partisans," said the correspondent of the newspaper "Dvinskaya Pravda" Larisa Zaitseva.

Meanwhile, as Denis Glebko, a representative of the Polotsk border detachment, noted, Latvian workers dismantled the bridge without the consent of the Belarusian side.

We recall that the Latvian Government declared a state of emergency on the border with Russia. This concerns areas in the eastern part of the country, which is a member of the EU and NATO, including airports and railway stations.

The Latvian government also decided to close the Penteche border post in order to limit the number of Russians entering the country. In addition, the border guard was ordered to reinforce its patrols on the border with Russia.
Latvia completely closes its borders fearing for the worst-case scenario...

The US army in Lithuania was put on alert​

The body of U.S. armed forces stationed in Lithuania is moving from deterrenceto combat readiness.
This was stated by the commander of the Lithuanian army Valdemaras Rupshis.

"Initially, the main goal was deterrence: to show that (the Americans) are here. Previously, units were more busy with training, with aircraft, getting acquainted with the terrain, tactical work.

But the possibility may increase and the form of presence may change, which is proven now that the situation has changed.

These units and equipment are deployed in a way that could fight immediately. There was a transition from one regime to another,"
Rupshis said on Lithuanian radio.

He added that the US military will remain in Lithuania on a rotational basis until at least 2025.

 
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EU reaches deal for $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil​

The European Union has reached a deal for a $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil
By RAF CASERT, FATIMA HUSSEIN and DAVID McHUGH Associated Press
December 2, 2022, 1:45 PM

FILE An oil tanker is moored at the Sheskharis complex, part of Chernomortransneft JSC, a subsidiary of Transneft PJSC, in Novorossiysk, Russia, Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2022, one of the largest facilities for oil and petroleum products in southern Russia.

FILE An oil tanker is moored at the Sheskharis complex, part of Chernomortransneft JSC, a subsidiary of Transneft PJSC, in Novorossiysk, Russia, Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2022, one of the largest facilities for oil and petroleum products in southern Russia. The European Union is edging closer to a $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil. It's a highly anticipated and complex political and economic maneuver designed to keep Russian oil flowing into global markets while clamping down on President Vladimir Putin’s ability to fund his war in Ukraine. EU nations sought to push the cap across the finish line Thursday, Dec. 1, 2022 after Poland held out to get as low a figure as possible. (AP Photo, File)
The Associated Press

BRUSSELS -- The European Union reached a deal Friday for a $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil, a key step as Western sanctions aim to reorder the global oil market to prevent price spikes and starve President Vladimir Putin of funding for his war in Ukraine.

After a last-minute flurry of negotiations, the EU presidency, held by the Czech Republic, tweeted that “ambassadors have just reached an agreement on price cap for Russian seaborne #oil.” The decision must still be officially approved with a written procedure but is expected to go through.

Europe needed to set the discounted price that other nations will pay by Monday, when an EU embargo on Russian oil shipped by sea and a ban on insurance for those supplies take effect. The price cap, which was led by the Group of Seven wealthy democracies and still needs their approval, aims to prevent a sudden loss of Russian oil to the world that could lead to a new surge in energy prices and further fuel inflation.

Poland long held up an agreement, seeking to set the cap as low as possible. Following more than 24 hours of deliberations, when other EU nations had signaled they would back the deal, Warsaw finally relented late Friday.

“Crippling Russia’s energy revenues is at the core of stopping Russia’s war machine,” Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas said, adding that she was happy the cap was pushed down a few extra dollars from earlier proposals. She said every dollar the cap was reduced amounted to $2 billion less for Russia's war chest.

“It is no secret that we wanted the price to be lower," Kallas added, highlighting the differences within the EU. “A price between 30-40 dollars is what would substantially hurt Russia. However, this is the best compromise we could get.”

The $60 figure sets the cap near the current price of Russia’s crude, which recently fell below $60 a barrel. Some criticize that as not low enough to cut into one of Russia's main sources of income. It is still a big discount to international benchmark Brent, which slid to $85.48 a barrel Friday, but could be high enough for Moscow to keep selling even while rejecting the idea of a cap.

There is a big risk to the global oil market of losing large amounts of crude from the world’s No. 2 producer. It could drive up gasoline prices for drivers worldwide, which has stirred political turmoil for U.S. President Joe Biden and leaders in other nations. Europe is already mired in an energy crisis, with governments facing protests over the soaring cost of living, while developing nations are even more vulnerable to shifts in energy costs.

But the West has faced increasing pressure to target one of Russia's main moneymakers — oil — to slash the funds flowing into Putin's war chest and hurt Russia's economy as the war in Ukraine drags into a ninth month. The costs of oil and natural gas spiked after demand rebounded from the pandemic and then the invasion of Ukraine unsettled energy markets, feeding Russia's coffers
.

U.S. National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters Friday that “the cap itself will have the desired effect on limiting Mr. Putin’s ability to profit off of oil sales and limit his ability to continue to use that money to fund his war machine.”

He touted the EU's consensus, saying the $60-per-barrel cap “is appropriate.”

More uncertainty is ahead, however. COVID-19 restrictions in China and a slowing global economy could mean less thirst for oil. That is what OPEC and allied oil-producing countries, including Russia, pointed to in cutting back supplies to the world in October. The OPEC+ alliance is scheduled to meet again Sunday.

That competes with the EU embargo that could take more oil supplies off the market, raising fears of a supply squeeze and higher prices. Russia exports roughly 5 million barrels of oil a day.

Putin has said he would not sell oil under a price cap and would retaliate against nations that implement the measure. However, Russia has already rerouted much of its supply to India, China and other Asian countries at discounted prices because Western customers have avoided it even before the EU embargo.

Most insurers are located in the EU or the United Kingdom and could be required to participate in the price cap.

Russia also could sell oil off the books by using “dark fleet” tankers with obscure ownership. Oil could be transferred from one ship to another and mixed with oil of similar quality to disguise its origin.

Even under those circumstances, the cap would make it “more costly, time-consuming and cumbersome” for Russia to sell oil around the restrictions, said Maria Shagina, a sanctions expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Berlin.

Robin Brooks, chief economist at the Institute of International Finance in Washington, said the price cap should have been implemented when oil was hovering around $120 per barrel this summer.

“Since then, obviously oil prices have fallen and global recession is a real thing,” he said. “The reality is that it is unlikely to be binding given where oil prices are now.”

European leaders touted their work on the price cap, a brainchild of U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen.

“The EU agreement on an oil price cap, coordinated with G7 and others, will reduce Russia’s revenues significantly,” said Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, the EU's executive arm. “It will help us stabilize global energy prices, benefiting emerging economies around the world.”

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Hussein reported from Washington, and McHugh from Frankfurt, Germany. AP reporter Aamer Madhani contributed from Washington.

 
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Ukraine bans religious organizations with links to Russia​

Ukraine has banned the activities of religious organizations “affiliated with centers of influence” in Russia and says it will examine the links between the Ukrainian and Russian Orthodox churches
By The Associated Press
December 2, 2022, 9:57 AM

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KYIV, Ukraine -- Ukraine on Friday banned the activities of religious organizations “affiliated with centers of influence” in Russia and said it would examine the links between the Ukrainian and Russian Orthodox churches.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed a decree enacting a National Security and Defense Council decision to impose personal sanctions against representatives of religious organizations associated with Russia, which invaded Ukraine more than nine months ago.

Zelenskyy's decree additionally provided for examining the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, one of two Orthodox bodies in Ukraine following a schism that in 2019 resulted in the establishment of one with independence from the Russian church.

Ukrainian officials suspect the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is promoting pro-Russian views and that some priests may be actively collaborating with Russia. Moscow Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, has justified Russia’s war in Ukraine as part of a “metaphysical struggle” to prevent a liberal ideological encroachment from the West.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov accused Ukrainian authorities last week of “waging a war on the Russian Orthodox Church.” But the Rev. Mykolay Danylevich, who has often served as a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, disputed Peskov’s characterization, asserting on Telegram that the church was not Russian.

The UOC declared its independence from Moscow in May over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

In his nightly video address on Thursday, Zelenskyy said the use of Kyiv's Pechersk Lavra monastery complex — a UNESCO world heritage site revered as the cradle of Orthodox monasticism in the region — would also come under further scrutiny.

Members of the Security Service of Ukraine, the country’s National Guard and police searched the monastery last week after a priest spoke favorably about Russia during a service there. The Security Service said its agents searched more than 350 church buildings in all, including at another monastery and in a diocese of the Rivne region, 240 kilometers (150 miles) west of Kyiv.

The security agency, which is known by the Ukrainian acronym SBU, said the searches turned up “pro-Russian literature, which is used during studies in seminaries and parish schools, including for propaganda of the ‘Russian world.’” More than 50 people underwent in-depth “counterintelligence interviews, including using a polygraph,” as part of the investigation, the agency said.

The investigation of the centuries-old monastic complex in Ukraine’s capital and other religious sites underscored Ukrainian authorities’ suspicions about some Orthodox Christian clergy they consider as remaining loyal to Russia. The SBU said last week's activities were part of its “systematic work to counter the subversive activities of the Russian special services in Ukraine.”

Orthodox Christians are the largest religious population in Ukraine. But they have been fractured along lines that echo political tensions over Ukraine’s defense of its independence and its Western orientation amid Russia’s continued claim to political and spiritual hegemony in the region — a concept sometimes called the “Russian world.” Many Orthodox leaders have spoken fiercely in favor of Ukrainian independence and denounced the Russian invasion, but the recent searches show that authorities suspect places like Pechersk Lavra of being hotbeds of pro-Russian sentiment and activity.

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Follow AP's coverage of the war in Ukraine: Russia-Ukraine | Breaking News & Live Updates | AP News

 

bw

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Alcohol addiction becomes a norm in Russia: Drinking even surrogate, triple cologne, glass cleaner
Russia has had a huge alcohol problem for decades. There are many videos on the problem. It's mind-boggling to see them drink. Maybe I've just led a sheltered life.
 

Abert

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EU reaches deal for $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil
Totally Delusional - the bureaucrats in the EU are so isolated from reality - living in their own bubble. Simple Econ 101 - supply and demand! So the EU thinks that Russia will be forced to accept their price - however in a world market there are plenty of Nations willing to pay the market price - WAY above $60/barrel.
Like waking into a media store - checking out that room size LCD - selling for $5000 you tell the clerk you will only pay $1000 - guess what happens? Walking into a Gas Station - price on the pump $4.00 / gal - walk into the store and TELL them you are only willing to pay $2.50 - guess what happens?
Totally Delusional !!!!
 

wait-n-see

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Totally Delusional - the bureaucrats in the EU are so isolated from reality - living in their own bubble. Simple Econ 101 - supply and demand! So the EU thinks that Russia will be forced to accept their price - however in a world market there are plenty of Nations willing to pay the market price - WAY above $60/barrel.
Like waking into a media store - checking out that room size LCD - selling for $5000 you tell the clerk you will only pay $1000 - guess what happens? Walking into a Gas Station - price on the pump $4.00 / gal - walk into the store and TELL them you are only willing to pay $2.50 - guess what happens?
Totally Delusional !!!!

Spot on. For all the good it will do them, they could have set it at $10/barrel for the hell of it. :eye:
 

danielboon

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Totally Delusional - the bureaucrats in the EU are so isolated from reality - living in their own bubble. Simple Econ 101 - supply and demand! So the EU thinks that Russia will be forced to accept their price - however in a world market there are plenty of Nations willing to pay the market price - WAY above $60/barrel.
Like waking into a media store - checking out that room size LCD - selling for $5000 you tell the clerk you will only pay $1000 - guess what happens? Walking into a Gas Station - price on the pump $4.00 / gal - walk into the store and TELL them you are only willing to pay $2.50 - guess what happens?
Totally Delusional !!!!
Not surprised 2 Thessalonians 2:11
 

Knoxville's Joker

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This could be a game changer. If russia knocks out the HIMARS the tech edge just gets nullified. In all honesty the rocket barrages may have been a way to get targeting data on HIMARs locations and then use the data to knock out the himars. This could all be bluster, but I suspect this new software is a little present and message from China...
 

jward

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EU reaches deal for $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil​

The European Union has reached a deal for a $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil
By RAF CASERT, FATIMA HUSSEIN and DAVID McHUGH Associated Press
December 2, 2022, 1:45 PM

FILE An oil tanker is moored at the Sheskharis complex, part of Chernomortransneft JSC, a subsidiary of Transneft PJSC, in Novorossiysk, Russia, Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2022, one of the largest facilities for oil and petroleum products in southern Russia.

FILE An oil tanker is moored at the Sheskharis complex, part of Chernomortransneft JSC, a subsidiary of Transneft PJSC, in Novorossiysk, Russia, Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2022, one of the largest facilities for oil and petroleum products in southern Russia. The European Union is edging closer to a $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil. It's a highly anticipated and complex political and economic maneuver designed to keep Russian oil flowing into global markets while clamping down on President Vladimir Putin’s ability to fund his war in Ukraine. EU nations sought to push the cap across the finish line Thursday, Dec. 1, 2022 after Poland held out to get as low a figure as possible. (AP Photo, File)
The Associated Press

BRUSSELS -- The European Union reached a deal Friday for a $60-per-barrel price cap on Russian oil, a key step as Western sanctions aim to reorder the global oil market to prevent price spikes and starve President Vladimir Putin of funding for his war in Ukraine.

After a last-minute flurry of negotiations, the EU presidency, held by the Czech Republic, tweeted that “ambassadors have just reached an agreement on price cap for Russian seaborne #oil.” The decision must still be officially approved with a written procedure but is expected to go through.

Europe needed to set the discounted price that other nations will pay by Monday, when an EU embargo on Russian oil shipped by sea and a ban on insurance for those supplies take effect. The price cap, which was led by the Group of Seven wealthy democracies and still needs their approval, aims to prevent a sudden loss of Russian oil to the world that could lead to a new surge in energy prices and further fuel inflation.

Poland long held up an agreement, seeking to set the cap as low as possible. Following more than 24 hours of deliberations, when other EU nations had signaled they would back the deal, Warsaw finally relented late Friday.

“Crippling Russia’s energy revenues is at the core of stopping Russia’s war machine,” Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas said, adding that she was happy the cap was pushed down a few extra dollars from earlier proposals. She said every dollar the cap was reduced amounted to $2 billion less for Russia's war chest.

“It is no secret that we wanted the price to be lower," Kallas added, highlighting the differences within the EU. “A price between 30-40 dollars is what would substantially hurt Russia. However, this is the best compromise we could get.”

The $60 figure sets the cap near the current price of Russia’s crude, which recently fell below $60 a barrel. Some criticize that as not low enough to cut into one of Russia's main sources of income. It is still a big discount to international benchmark Brent, which slid to $85.48 a barrel Friday, but could be high enough for Moscow to keep selling even while rejecting the idea of a cap.

There is a big risk to the global oil market of losing large amounts of crude from the world’s No. 2 producer. It could drive up gasoline prices for drivers worldwide, which has stirred political turmoil for U.S. President Joe Biden and leaders in other nations. Europe is already mired in an energy crisis, with governments facing protests over the soaring cost of living, while developing nations are even more vulnerable to shifts in energy costs.

But the West has faced increasing pressure to target one of Russia's main moneymakers — oil — to slash the funds flowing into Putin's war chest and hurt Russia's economy as the war in Ukraine drags into a ninth month. The costs of oil and natural gas spiked after demand rebounded from the pandemic and then the invasion of Ukraine unsettled energy markets, feeding Russia's coffers
.

U.S. National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told reporters Friday that “the cap itself will have the desired effect on limiting Mr. Putin’s ability to profit off of oil sales and limit his ability to continue to use that money to fund his war machine.”

He touted the EU's consensus, saying the $60-per-barrel cap “is appropriate.”

More uncertainty is ahead, however. COVID-19 restrictions in China and a slowing global economy could mean less thirst for oil. That is what OPEC and allied oil-producing countries, including Russia, pointed to in cutting back supplies to the world in October. The OPEC+ alliance is scheduled to meet again Sunday.

That competes with the EU embargo that could take more oil supplies off the market, raising fears of a supply squeeze and higher prices. Russia exports roughly 5 million barrels of oil a day.

Putin has said he would not sell oil under a price cap and would retaliate against nations that implement the measure. However, Russia has already rerouted much of its supply to India, China and other Asian countries at discounted prices because Western customers have avoided it even before the EU embargo.

Most insurers are located in the EU or the United Kingdom and could be required to participate in the price cap.

Russia also could sell oil off the books by using “dark fleet” tankers with obscure ownership. Oil could be transferred from one ship to another and mixed with oil of similar quality to disguise its origin.

Even under those circumstances, the cap would make it “more costly, time-consuming and cumbersome” for Russia to sell oil around the restrictions, said Maria Shagina, a sanctions expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Berlin.

Robin Brooks, chief economist at the Institute of International Finance in Washington, said the price cap should have been implemented when oil was hovering around $120 per barrel this summer.

“Since then, obviously oil prices have fallen and global recession is a real thing,” he said. “The reality is that it is unlikely to be binding given where oil prices are now.”

European leaders touted their work on the price cap, a brainchild of U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen.

“The EU agreement on an oil price cap, coordinated with G7 and others, will reduce Russia’s revenues significantly,” said Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, the EU's executive arm. “It will help us stabilize global energy prices, benefiting emerging economies around the world.”

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Hussein reported from Washington, and McHugh from Frankfurt, Germany. AP reporter Aamer Madhani contributed from Washington.

yeah, as I posted yesterday, any # above 30 is profit -
 

jward

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Lavrov Announces Russia, China Are Stepping Up Military Cooperation​


by Tyler Durden

3–4 minutes




Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Thursday that the US and NATO’s move to focus on countering China in the Asia Pacific has led to an increase in military cooperation between Moscow and Beijing.
"We know how seriously the People’s Republic of China regards these provocations [by NATO in the South China Sea], let alone Taiwan and the Taiwan Strait. We understand that this playing with fire by NATO in that part of the world carries threats and risks for the Russian Federation," Lavrov said at a press conference, according to TASS.
Via EPA
In recent years, the US has stepped up its military presence in the South China Sea and near Taiwan, and some of its European allies have sent ships to the region, including the UK, France, and Germany.
"It’s as close to our shores and our seas as it is to Chinese territory. So, our military cooperation with the People’s Republic of China is developing. We are holding joint exercises, both counterterrorism exercises and air patrolling exercises," Lavrov said.
NATO has identified China as a "challenge" to the alliance and has said it should forge stronger relationships with countries in the Asia Pacific, including Australia, South Korea, Japan, and India. Building new alliances in the region is a key aspect of the US strategy against China, as outlined by the Biden administration’s Indo-Pacific Strategy.
Lavrov said that the US and NATO are trying to create an "explosive situation" in the Asia Pacific and pointed to the AUKUS military pact between the US, Britain, and Australia. Under AUKUS, Australia is expected to receive technology to develop nuclear-powered submarines, and the US will expand its military presence in Australia.
China has previously warned that the Biden administration’s efforts to build alliances in the Asia Pacific could lead to a Ukraine-style "tragedy" in the region. "The United States has tried to create regional tension and provoke confrontation by pushing forward the Indo-Pacific strategy," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said back in April.
Chinese President Xi Jinping said Tuesday China is ready to work with Russia to forge closer partnership in energy cooperationpic.twitter.com/1j4zU9cB6k
— Zhang Meifang张美芳 (@CGMeifangZhang) November 29, 2022
The increasing military cooperation between Russia and China is a natural reaction to the similar pressure they are facing from the West. In a sign of the growing ties, Russian and Chinese bombers flew a joint patrol over the western Pacific on Wednesday.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
the rocket barrages may have been a way to get targeting data on HIMARs locations and then use the data to knock out the himars. This could all be bluster, but I suspect this new software is a little present and message from China...
The rocket barrages might have been carrying some Chinese telemetry to generate anti-HIMARS parameters.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The rocket barrages might have been carrying some Chinese telemetry to generate anti-HIMARS parameters.
Kind of what I was thinking. There are many ways to do it. But I thought the barrages, to do them now, meant there was a bigger reason beyond payback for the crimean bridge bombing. Trying to get enough information to take out more advanced defense platforms would have been key to keeping things going.

Thing is if those HIMARS are all destroyed the support falls apart. If the iron dome gets deployed and gets destroyed our sales fall apart. If the patriot missles get nullified there is no real defense left of new tech. Without the more advanced offense weaponry Ukraine has a serious issues on their hands.

Still we can not rule out everything as propoganda until we start hearing hee hawing about loss of HIMARS launchers getting destroyed, but even if they were, they would be damned quiet about it as word can not get out that Russia just nullified one of our better defense weapons...
 

jward

passin' thru
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Senators will get a classified briefing Wednesday on Ukraine, per aide. The briefing comes as the administration is pushing for $37B more in aid to Ukraine, which could be folded into a year-end omnibus bill before a Dec. 16 deadline to fund the government.
 

jward

passin' thru
2 Dec 2022

Here is the situation as it stands on Friday, December 2:

Diplomacy​


  • US President Joe Biden said he is ready to meet Russia’s Vladimir Putin “if in fact there is an interest in him deciding that he’s looking for a way to end the war”. The Kremlin “hasn’t done that”, he noted.
  • Putin is open to talks on a possible settlement in Ukraine, but the refusal of the US to recognise annexed territories as Russian is hindering a search for any potential compromise, the Kremlin said.
  • Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov accused the US and NATO of direct involvement in the Ukraine conflict, though he did not provide evidence.
  • Biden used the first state visit of his presidency to demonstrate unity with France’s Emmanuel Macron on Ukraine.
  • Discussing a potential peace deal with Russia, Macron said, “We will never urge the Ukrainians to make a compromise that will not be acceptable for them.”
  • Putin told German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in a phone call the German and Western line on Ukraine was “destructive” and urged Berlin to rethink its approach, the Kremlin said.
  • Several Ukrainian embassies abroad have received “bloody packages” containing animal eyes, Ukraine’s foreign ministry said, after a series of letter bombs were sent to sites in Spain.
  • The International Atomic Energy Agency hopes to reach an agreement with Russia and Ukraine to create a protection zone at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant by the end of the year, the head of the UN atomic watchdog was quoted as saying.
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Fighting​

  • Ukraine’s armed forces have lost somewhere between 10,000 and 13,000 soldiers so far in the war against Russia, presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak told a Ukrainian television network.
  • Russia’s defence ministry and the head of Ukraine’s presidential administration said the two countries swapped 50 service personnel in the latest prisoner exchange between the two sides.
  • Russian rockets pounded neighbourhoods in Kherson, knocking out power in the city where electricity had only begun to be restored nearly three weeks after Russian troops left.
  • Ukraine’s armed forces reported heavy shelling of a number of eastern front-line villages near the city of Bakhmut.
  • Ukraine’s military said it found fragments of Russian-fired nuclear-capable missiles with dud warheads in western Ukraine, and their apparent purpose was to distract air defences.
  • Kyiv Mayor Vitaliy Klitschko told residents to stock up on water, food, and warm clothes in the event of a total blackout caused by Russian strikes.
  • American officials are discussing a major expansion in training for the Ukrainian military.
  • The US may redeploy some air defence systems from the Middle East to Ukraine, Raytheon Technologies Chief Executive Greg Hayes told Politico.
    INTERACTIVE - WHO CONTROLS WHAT IN UKRAINE

Economics​

  • The Group of Seven nations are “very, very close” to an agreement on a $60 a barrel price cap on Russian seaborne oil with an adjustment mechanism to keep the cap at 5 percent below the market price, a senior G7 official said.
  • Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure have increased the cost to keep Ukraine’s economy going next year, adding up to $1bn a month to previous estimates of $3-4bn, the head of the International Monetary Fund said.
Source: News Agencies
 

Abert

Veteran Member
This could be a game changer. If russia knocks out the HIMARS the tech edge just gets nullified. In all honesty the rocket barrages may have been a way to get targeting data on HIMARs locations and then use the data to knock out the himars. This could all be bluster, but I suspect this new software is a little present and message from China...

I suspect this new software is a little present and message from China..​

Not likely - I have worked with Russian Programmers - all excellent - way above your H1B visa worker from India. While China is good at copying and reproducing systems - for custom work - I would go with Russian Tech first.
 
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