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danielboon

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Russia blames nuclear talks pullout on 'toxic' US behaviour​

FILE PHOTO: Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov attends a meeting of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian in Moscow, Russia March 15, 2022. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov/Pool/File Photo

FILE PHOTO: Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov attends a meeting of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian in Moscow, Russia March 15, 2022. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov/Pool/File Photo

Published November 29, 2022
Updated November 30, 2022
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LONDON :Russia accused the United States on Tuesday of toxic anti-Russian behaviour that it said had prompted it to pull out of nuclear arms talks with U.S. officials in Cairo this week.
In strongly worded comments, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova also accused the United States of trying to manipulate the New START nuclear treaty to its advantage, although she said Russia was still committed to it.
As the last surviving arms pact of its kind between the world's two biggest nuclear powers, New START limits the number of atomic warheads that each side can deploy and has symbolic as well as practical significance.
Zakharova wrote on Telegram that Russia's decision to postpone the arms talks, which had been scheduled to start on Tuesday, had been driven by the dire state of relations between the two countries.
"In all areas, we note the highest level of toxicity and hostility from Washington," she said. "As part of the all-out hybrid war unleashed against us, almost every U.S. step towards Russia is subject to a pathological desire to harm our country wherever possible."
Relations between Russia and the United States have plunged to their most confrontational point in 60 years since Russia invaded Ukraine in February, triggering waves of U.S. sanctions against Moscow and tens of billions of dollars' worth of economic and military aid from Washington to Kyiv.
Officials from the two countries had been due to meet in Egypt to discuss issues around New START, including the potential resumption of inspections of each other's nuclear arsenals, a process suspended due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Zakharova on Tuesday accused Washington of trying to alter the balance of forces under the treaty in a "wholly illegitimate" way by converting or renaming weapons to take them outside the scope of the agreement.
She did not provide examples or evidence.
Still, Russia continued to regard New START as an important tool for ensuring predictability and avoiding an arms race, she said, adding she hoped that the two sides could meet on these issues in 2023.
After Russia pulled out of the talks on Monday, the U.S. State Department said it was "ready to reschedule at the earliest possible date as resuming inspections is a priority for sustaining the treaty as an instrument of stability".
No major breakthrough had been expected at the Cairo talks, but their scheduling had been interpreted as a sign that both countries were committed to maintaining at least some level of dialogue at a moment of extreme tension.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Moscow is willing to use all means, including nuclear weapons, to defend what it regards as Russian territory. In September he unilaterally proclaimed four partly occupied Ukrainian regions to be part of Russia, in an action denounced as illegal by Kyiv, the United States and most countries at the U.N. General Assembly.
U.S. President Joe Biden has said the world is closer to "Armageddon" than at any time since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Russia blames nuclear talks pullout on 'toxic' US behaviour
 

jward

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Ukraine war: Nato pledges to provide more weapons and fix power grid​


By Jaroslav Lukiv


An air defence unit of Ukraine's National Guard shoots targets in the north-eastern Kharkiv region. Photo: November 2022
Image source, Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
Image caption,
Ukraine says it needs more advanced air defence systems to protect itself from Russian missile strikes
Nato has pledged to give more weapons to Ukraine and help fix critical energy infrastructure badly damaged by massive Russian missile and drone strikes.
At a summit in Bucharest, the secretary general of the military alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, accused Moscow of "trying to use winter as a weapon of war".

The Russian strikes have left millions of Ukrainians without electricity and running water in freezing temperatures.
Ukraine has for months been asking Nato for more advanced air defence systems.
Under the Geneva conventions, attacks on civilians, or the infrastructure vital to their survival, could be interpreted as a war crime.
At a gathering in Berlin, justice ministers of the G7 group of wealthy nations said they would co-ordinate investigations into alleged war crimes committed in Ukraine.

"Judicial examination of the atrocities committed in Ukraine will take years, perhaps even decades. But we will be well prepared - and we will persist for as long as it takes," said German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann.
Russian President Vladimir Putin - who ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February - and other senior Kremlin officials deny the allegations that Russian troops are committing war crimes.
In a separate development on Tuesday, Ukraine's First Lady Olena Zelenska told lawmakers in the UK Parliament in London that Ukrainians were going through a terror similar to that experienced by the UK in World War Two, when Nazi Germany bombed cities in the blitz.
"Victory is not the only thing we need, we need justice," Mrs Zelenska said, adding she "came to you for justice, because it will lead to the end of this war".
Speaking at the start of the two-day gathering of Nato foreign ministers in the Romanian capital, Mr Stoltenberg said: "Russia is actually failing on the battlefield. In response to that they are now attacking civilian targets, cities because they're not able to win territory."
His words were echoed by UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly, who said that Russia was aiming to "freeze the Ukrainians into submission".

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba (left) told Nato's boss Jens Stoltenberg that weapons were needed "faster, faster and faster"
Later on Tuesday, Nato issued a statement that said Russia's persistent attacks on Ukrainian civilian and energy grids were "depriving millions of basic human services".
Nato members would assist Ukraine in repairing its energy infrastructure and protecting people from missile attacks, the statement added.
And appearing at a joint news conference with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, Mr Stoltenberg said: "We will stand by Ukraine as long as it takes, we will not back down.
"We realise that it is extremely important that President Putin is not able to win in Ukraine. That will be a tragedy for Ukraine, but it will also make the world more dangerous and much more vulnerable."
Meanwhile, Mr Kuleba said that last time he met senior Nato officials his three words were "weapons, weapons, weapons".

"Today I have three other words, which are faster, faster and faster. We appreciate what has been done, but the war still goes on. Decisions on weapons and production lines have to be made faster," Mr Kuleba added.
In Ukraine, energy workers across the country are continuing their daunting task of repairing power and water supplies to millions of people, amid warnings that Russia maybe preparing a new wave of missile attacks.
The country's power operator Ukrenergo said on Tuesday that 30% of the country's electricity needs were still currently not being met, and power rationing would continue.
Winter is setting in in Ukraine, with snow and sub-zero temperatures in many regions.
There are fears that people across the country could die of hypothermia.
line


 

jward

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US announces more than $53 million in aid to Ukraine for critical infrastructure​


Mike Brest



The United States will provide more than $53 million to Ukraine to support efforts to repair critical infrastructure that Russia has spent weeks deliberately destroying.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced the latest aid, which the State Department said would help Ukraine get “generators and other equipment to help restore emergency power and heat to local municipalities impacted by Russia’s attacks on Ukraine’s power system,” on Tuesday during a G-7+ meeting on the margins of the NATO ministerial in Bucharest.

RUSSIA TARGETS UKRAINIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AHEAD OF LONG, HARD WINTER

“This supply package will include distribution transformers, circuit breakers, surge arresters, disconnectors, vehicles and other key equipment,” a statement from the department’s press office said. “We will continue to identify additional support with allies and partners, and we are also helping to devise long-term solutions for grid restoration and repair, along with our assistance for Ukraine’s effort to advance the energy transition and build an energy system decoupled from Russian energy.”

Russian forces, since the fall, have pummeled Ukraine’s energy infrastructure via aerial attacks. While Kremlin leaders maintain these are military targets, Western and Ukrainian officials have argued they are weaponizing winter. The attacks have left millions in various Ukrainian cities without electricity, clean water, and heat as winter begins.

With the help of Iranian drones, Russian forces have been able to launch strikes all across Ukraine, while the fighting in the south and east has diminished since the weather conditions have worsened.

“USAID is providing power generators and alternative fuel sources to health facilities, centers for internally displaced persons, and community heating points, helping provide the people of Ukraine with access to warm shelter during winter,” a spokesperson for USAID told the Washington Examiner. “The assistance targets parts of Ukraine that have been devastated by Putin’s war, including the regions of Chernihiv, Donetsk, Kharkiv, Kherson, Kyiv, Mykolaiv, Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, and Zhytomyr.”



USAID is also supporting the maintenance of pipes and other equipment necessary to deliver essential services to homes, schools, hospitals, and businesses.

“More than 1,000 generators have already been delivered to 21 oblasts across Ukraine. Kyiv’s district heating company is using more than 100 of them to establish emergency heating centers around the city for neighborhoods without service,” the spokesperson added, noting that the latest package of about 50 generators was delivered on Nov. 18.
 

jward

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FLASH
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⚡️The Russian "Wagner PMC" began recruiting mercenaries for the war in Ukraine in the prisons of the Central African Republic, — The Daily Beast.

The Wagnerites are recruiting dozens of insurgents who were held in custody, including for the murders and rapes of women and children, who controlled a large part of the territory of the CAR for almost 10 years during the civil war.

It is reported that the "Wagners" started recruiting back in October, the country's authorities gave the Russians the green light. Mercenaries are trained abroad.
 

jward

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EndGameWW3
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Stoltenberg: NATO is examining the possibility of transferring Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine.
 

jward

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Jeff Seldin
@jseldin

NEW: "Right now we have no plans to provide #Patriot batteries to #Ukraine," per @PentagonPresSec
BrigGen Patrick Ryder
But he says US will continue to "work closely w/the int'l community" on meeting Ukraine's defense needs
View: https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1597655045683617792?s=20&t=7jvEEiJRiGm8xjzTOHtJow

"None of these systems are plug & play" per @PentagonPresSec on providing #Ukraine w/systems like the #Patriots
 

jward

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EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3
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Medvedev: If NATO supplies Ukraine with Patriot systems, then those systems will become a legitimate target for our forces.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Ukraine war: Nato pledges to provide more weapons and fix power grid
Fix the power grid? NATO is now the steward of Ukraine infrastructure?

I'm reminded of youtube videos where people jump out in front of moving cars so they can make an insurance claim. NATO jumps into a war so they can claim Russia is attacking them. Is it just me?
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Jeff Seldin
@jseldin

NEW: "Right now we have no plans to provide #Patriot batteries to #Ukraine," per @PentagonPresSec
BrigGen Patrick Ryder
But he says US will continue to "work closely w/the int'l community" on meeting Ukraine's defense needs
View: https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1597655045683617792?s=20&t=7jvEEiJRiGm8xjzTOHtJow

"None of these systems are plug & play" per @PentagonPresSec on providing #Ukraine w/systems like the #Patriots
Once denied, they become assured.
 

Ukraine war: Nato pledges to provide more weapons and fix power grid​


By Jaroslav Lukiv


An air defence unit of Ukraine's National Guard shoots targets in the north-eastern Kharkiv region. Photo: November 2022's National Guard shoots targets in the north-eastern Kharkiv region. Photo: November 2022
Image source, Anadolu Agency via Getty Images
Image caption,
Ukraine says it needs more advanced air defence systems to protect itself from Russian missile strikes
Nato has pledged to give more weapons to Ukraine and help fix critical energy infrastructure badly damaged by massive Russian missile and drone strikes.
At a summit in Bucharest, the secretary general of the military alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, accused Moscow of "trying to use winter as a weapon of war".

The Russian strikes have left millions of Ukrainians without electricity and running water in freezing temperatures.
Ukraine has for months been asking Nato for more advanced air defence systems.
Under the Geneva conventions, attacks on civilians, or the infrastructure vital to their survival, could be interpreted as a war crime.
At a gathering in Berlin, justice ministers of the G7 group of wealthy nations said they would co-ordinate investigations into alleged war crimes committed in Ukraine.

"Judicial examination of the atrocities committed in Ukraine will take years, perhaps even decades. But we will be well prepared - and we will persist for as long as it takes," said German Justice Minister Marco Buschmann.
Russian President Vladimir Putin - who ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February - and other senior Kremlin officials deny the allegations that Russian troops are committing war crimes.
In a separate development on Tuesday, Ukraine's First Lady Olena Zelenska told lawmakers in the UK Parliament in London that Ukrainians were going through a terror similar to that experienced by the UK in World War Two, when Nazi Germany bombed cities in the blitz.
"Victory is not the only thing we need, we need justice," Mrs Zelenska said, adding she "came to you for justice, because it will lead to the end of this war".
Speaking at the start of the two-day gathering of Nato foreign ministers in the Romanian capital, Mr Stoltenberg said: "Russia is actually failing on the battlefield. In response to that they are now attacking civilian targets, cities because they're not able to win territory."
His words were echoed by UK Foreign Secretary James Cleverly, who said that Russia was aiming to "freeze the Ukrainians into submission".

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba (left) told Nato's boss Jens Stoltenberg that weapons were needed "faster, faster and faster"
Later on Tuesday, Nato issued a statement that said Russia's persistent attacks on Ukrainian civilian and energy grids were "depriving millions of basic human services".
Nato members would assist Ukraine in repairing its energy infrastructure and protecting people from missile attacks, the statement added.
And appearing at a joint news conference with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba, Mr Stoltenberg said: "We will stand by Ukraine as long as it takes, we will not back down.
"We realise that it is extremely important that President Putin is not able to win in Ukraine. That will be a tragedy for Ukraine, but it will also make the world more dangerous and much more vulnerable."
Meanwhile, Mr Kuleba said that last time he met senior Nato officials his three words were "weapons, weapons, weapons".

"Today I have three other words, which are faster, faster and faster. We appreciate what has been done, but the war still goes on. Decisions on weapons and production lines have to be made faster," Mr Kuleba added.
In Ukraine, energy workers across the country are continuing their daunting task of repairing power and water supplies to millions of people, amid warnings that Russia maybe preparing a new wave of missile attacks.
The country's power operator Ukrenergo said on Tuesday that 30% of the country's electricity needs were still currently not being met, and power rationing would continue.
Winter is setting in in Ukraine, with snow and sub-zero temperatures in many regions.
There are fears that people across the country could die of hypothermia.
line


Why would NATO "provide more weapons and fix the power grid?"

1) The Ukraine is NOT a NATO member. Why is NATO wishing to be involved at all? <mostly rhetorical>

2) Who will actually pay for "more weapons?"

3) Who will actually pay for repairing the substantial damages inflicted upon the Ukrainian power grid?

4) Which European governments are solvent enough to carry the economic load of above points (2) and (3)?

5) How much of above economic burden will the American taxpayer be "expected" to carry in this NATO "plan?"

6) Yet to be explained to the American taxpayer - WHAT is so important about the Ukraine, with regards to American J6P's interests?


intothegoodnight
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Jeff Seldin
@jseldin

NEW: "Right now we have no plans to provide #Patriot batteries to #Ukraine," per @PentagonPresSec
BrigGen Patrick Ryder
But he says US will continue to "work closely w/the int'l community" on meeting Ukraine's defense needs
View: https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/1597655045683617792?s=20&t=7jvEEiJRiGm8xjzTOHtJow

"None of these systems are plug & play" per @PentagonPresSec on providing #Ukraine w/systems like the #Patriots
Once denied, they become assured.


Really, "Patriot batteries" are a remote possibility now? The narrative sure changes from the story told in March of this year.

As stated by Pentagon officials in the article below, Patriots would mean US troops officially join the conflict.


Why the US Won’t Give Patriot Interceptors to Ukraine

"The Pentagon is still hunting “alternative options” to bolster Ukraine’s air defenses against Russia’s brutal strikes

By TARA COPP and MARCUS WEISGERBER
MARCH 10, 2022

Pentagon officials will not send the advanced Patriot air-defense system to Ukraine, saying Thursday that U.S. forces would need to enter Ukraine to operate it, which is a non-starter for the Biden administration.

The decision comes one day after U.S. officials rejected a proposal from Poland to have the United States and NATO transfer Polish MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine.

“There's no discussion about putting a Patriot battery in Ukraine. In order to do that you have to put U.S. troops with it to operate it,” a senior defense official said Thursday. “It is not a system that the Ukrainians are familiar with and as we have made very clear, there will be no U.S. troops fighting in Ukraine.”

A Patriot missile battery usually has about 90 U.S. soldiers attached to it. Each system includes a phased array radar, a control station, and eight launchers, each of which can hold four missiles. Patriot “is the only operational air defense system that can shoot down attacking missiles,” according to the Army.

It would likely take months to train the Ukrainian military how to operate the system, according to people familiar with the technology.

“It takes a long time to be a Patriot operator,” said Thomas Karako, a missile defense expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, or CSIS, a think tank in Washington.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy has urged the West to send additional surface-to-air defenses. Russia has escalated a brutal assault on Ukrainian civilians and military targets that is relying heavily on long-range missiles and rockets, partly because of the local resistance and logistical failures their ground forces encountered.

As of Thursday, Russia had launched approximately 775 missiles into Ukraine, increasingly targeting civilians and devastating residential areas, according to U.S. officials.

“The Kremlin bombs schools, hospitals and maternity wards. Moscow does not protect anyone. She's the destroyer,” the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wrote on its official Facebook page. “They are not capable of fighting with our army, guard, territorial defense forces This is why the most vulnerable are attacked.”

Ukraine’s military already operates the Russian-made S-300 air defense system. Some newer variants of the S-300 are capable of “providing some cruise and ballistic missile defense capability,” according to CSIS.

“The Russian air defense units … operated by the Ukrainians, they're pretty capable systems,” Gen. Mark Kelly, the head of the U.S. Air Force’s Air Combat Command, said Wednesday at the McAleese and Associates Defense Programs conference in Washington.

Sending additional Soviet-era S-300 interceptors owned by NATO allies to Ukraine is one of the options under consideration, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. Bulgaria and Slovakia possess S-300s, according to Military Periscope, a weapons database owned by Defense One parent GovExec.

“Lethality is the top priority for the Ukrainians right now,” said Josh Kirshner, a former State Department official now with Beacon Global Strategies. “But at the same time they need systems that they can learn to use quickly and are ready to ship. Clearly, they don’t have the personnel to spare for long training efforts or time to waste.”

Israel reportedly blocked the United States from giving Iron Dome missile interceptor systems to Ukraine out of fear upsetting Moscow. Iron Dome has been widely effective in shooting down thousands of rockets fired from Gaza, but Israel historically has balked at sharing the technology with other countries, including South Korea.

In the meantime, the Ukrainian military has successfully attacked Russian forces using Turkish TB2 drones.

“At this point, they need everything they can get,” Karako said.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Wednesday that the U.S. was exploring other ways to better enable Ukraine to defend against the air assault, after rejecting a proposal by Poland to take its Soviet-era MiG-29s and get them into Ukrainian hands.

“Alternative options are working with other allies and partner nations around the world who may have additional air defense capabilities and systems at their disposal who might be willing to provide them to Ukraine,” Kirby said. “And so we're having discussions with many countries right now about some of those capabilities, surface-to-air missiles for instance, that the Ukrainians are more trained and more equipped [on].”

Russia warned earlier this week that any country that took part in transferring jets to Ukraine would be seen as party to the conflict, and Kirby said Wednesday that the U.S. intelligence community had assessed that a jet transfer would be “high risk” for escalating into a direct war between NATO and Russia, while not making an appreciable difference in the air war.

Some lawmakers on the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday demanded to know the intelligence behind the Biden administration’s claims that providing Ukraine with more advanced weapons would cause Russia to escalate the war.

On Thursday, the Pentagon said that Ukrainian pilots “are not flying their fixed wing aircraft very much on a daily basis” because Russia has almost the entire country covered by its own surface-to-air missile defense systems.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
Fix the power grid? NATO is now the steward of Ukraine infrastructure?

I'm reminded of youtube videos where people jump out in front of moving cars so they can make an insurance claim. NATO jumps into a war so they can claim Russia is attacking them. Is it just me?

If that is the case, then NATO could already make that claim for the other equipment they have sent over the last several months.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
That one is pure propaganda. Yes, maybe a kindergarten was hit, but Bakhmut has been evacuated, so the building was most likely empty. The reply below the subject tweet was replied to as Bakhmut being evacuated, so I Googled it and got the following reply:

"Most of Bakhmut's 70,000 citizens have already fled. Those who remain are mostly the elderly. They're living without running water or electricity. A small queue had formed for the latest evacuation, with volunteers still bravely driving a minibus in and out of the city. Oct 14, 2022"
 

Red Baron

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Nov 26, 2022
Moscow does not plan to re-mobilise people. This was stated by Putin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov. According to the Kremlin dictator, 318,000 people were called up, of which 49,000 are already fighting in Ukraine, and, they say, this is enough. At the same time, the subpoenas continue to be served, according to the Russian media. For example, in St. Petersburg, Tyumen and Moscow. And sources close to the Kremlin say that the second wave of mobilisation cannot be avoided. Why is it needed and when it will be – learn in our story


4:17

'There's nothing to feed them with' – Russian mobilised men note the complete lack of supplies​


View: https://youtu.be/IBvjuxlghfg
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Really, "Patriot batteries" are a remote possibility now? The narrative sure changes from the story told in March of this year.

As stated by Pentagon officials in the article below, Patriots would mean US troops officially join the conflict.


Why the US Won’t Give Patriot Interceptors to Ukraine

"The Pentagon is still hunting “alternative options” to bolster Ukraine’s air defenses against Russia’s brutal strikes

By TARA COPP and MARCUS WEISGERBER
MARCH 10, 2022

Pentagon officials will not send the advanced Patriot air-defense system to Ukraine, saying Thursday that U.S. forces would need to enter Ukraine to operate it, which is a non-starter for the Biden administration.

The decision comes one day after U.S. officials rejected a proposal from Poland to have the United States and NATO transfer Polish MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine.

“There's no discussion about putting a Patriot battery in Ukraine. In order to do that you have to put U.S. troops with it to operate it,” a senior defense official said Thursday. “It is not a system that the Ukrainians are familiar with and as we have made very clear, there will be no U.S. troops fighting in Ukraine.”

A Patriot missile battery usually has about 90 U.S. soldiers attached to it. Each system includes a phased array radar, a control station, and eight launchers, each of which can hold four missiles. Patriot “is the only operational air defense system that can shoot down attacking missiles,” according to the Army.

It would likely take months to train the Ukrainian military how to operate the system, according to people familiar with the technology.

“It takes a long time to be a Patriot operator,” said Thomas Karako, a missile defense expert with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, or CSIS, a think tank in Washington.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy has urged the West to send additional surface-to-air defenses. Russia has escalated a brutal assault on Ukrainian civilians and military targets that is relying heavily on long-range missiles and rockets, partly because of the local resistance and logistical failures their ground forces encountered.

As of Thursday, Russia had launched approximately 775 missiles into Ukraine, increasingly targeting civilians and devastating residential areas, according to U.S. officials.

“The Kremlin bombs schools, hospitals and maternity wards. Moscow does not protect anyone. She's the destroyer,” the Navy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wrote on its official Facebook page. “They are not capable of fighting with our army, guard, territorial defense forces This is why the most vulnerable are attacked.”

Ukraine’s military already operates the Russian-made S-300 air defense system. Some newer variants of the S-300 are capable of “providing some cruise and ballistic missile defense capability,” according to CSIS.

“The Russian air defense units … operated by the Ukrainians, they're pretty capable systems,” Gen. Mark Kelly, the head of the U.S. Air Force’s Air Combat Command, said Wednesday at the McAleese and Associates Defense Programs conference in Washington.

Sending additional Soviet-era S-300 interceptors owned by NATO allies to Ukraine is one of the options under consideration, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. Bulgaria and Slovakia possess S-300s, according to Military Periscope, a weapons database owned by Defense One parent GovExec.

“Lethality is the top priority for the Ukrainians right now,” said Josh Kirshner, a former State Department official now with Beacon Global Strategies. “But at the same time they need systems that they can learn to use quickly and are ready to ship. Clearly, they don’t have the personnel to spare for long training efforts or time to waste.”

Israel reportedly blocked the United States from giving Iron Dome missile interceptor systems to Ukraine out of fear upsetting Moscow. Iron Dome has been widely effective in shooting down thousands of rockets fired from Gaza, but Israel historically has balked at sharing the technology with other countries, including South Korea.

In the meantime, the Ukrainian military has successfully attacked Russian forces using Turkish TB2 drones.

“At this point, they need everything they can get,” Karako said.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Wednesday that the U.S. was exploring other ways to better enable Ukraine to defend against the air assault, after rejecting a proposal by Poland to take its Soviet-era MiG-29s and get them into Ukrainian hands.

“Alternative options are working with other allies and partner nations around the world who may have additional air defense capabilities and systems at their disposal who might be willing to provide them to Ukraine,” Kirby said. “And so we're having discussions with many countries right now about some of those capabilities, surface-to-air missiles for instance, that the Ukrainians are more trained and more equipped [on].”

Russia warned earlier this week that any country that took part in transferring jets to Ukraine would be seen as party to the conflict, and Kirby said Wednesday that the U.S. intelligence community had assessed that a jet transfer would be “high risk” for escalating into a direct war between NATO and Russia, while not making an appreciable difference in the air war.

Some lawmakers on the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday demanded to know the intelligence behind the Biden administration’s claims that providing Ukraine with more advanced weapons would cause Russia to escalate the war.

On Thursday, the Pentagon said that Ukrainian pilots “are not flying their fixed wing aircraft very much on a daily basis” because Russia has almost the entire country covered by its own surface-to-air missile defense systems.

Why the US Won’t Give Patriot Interceptors to Ukraine ???​

The reason given - they need US / NATO trained troops - but MAYBE - just MAYBE - because the US is not exactly sure how good the Patriot would be against Russian Drones or their Hyper-sonic missiles? Back in 2018 they were totally useless against a missile attack from Yemen (not state of the art weapons) into Saudi Arabia - there was a LOT of dancing and PR SPIN around this fail - but putting them into Ukraine in this front page war - with dozens of Russian missiles daily being fired - likely Raytheon (the maker) is not too keen on tossing the dice on their performance - Sale Pitches - and Raytheon "test" data vs the real world - currently Raytheon is making BILLIONS in sales - why risk it???
 

Abert

Veteran Member
That one is pure propaganda. Yes, maybe a kindergarten was hit, but Bakhmut has been evacuated, so the building was most likely empty. The reply below the subject tweet was replied to as Bakhmut being evacuated, so I Googled it and got the following reply:

"Most of Bakhmut's 70,000 citizens have already fled. Those who remain are mostly the elderly. They're living without running water or electricity. A small queue had formed for the latest evacuation, with volunteers still bravely driving a minibus in and out of the city. Oct 14, 2022"
Russian rocket flew directly into a kindergarten???? YES - 100% SPIN - looking at the video - looks like the roof is on fire. ZERO BLAST DAMAGE - also nobody around - building looks abandoned - when the leadership of Ukraine is composed of a TV Production team and actors - well maybe just one more skit!
 

jward

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Sending Patriot Missiles To Ukraine Being Actively Considered By U.S., NATO​


Joseph Trevithick

6-7 minutes



"All [air defense] capabilities are on the table," a senior U.S. defense official told The War Zone and other outlets at a press briefing today. "Patriot is one of the air defense capabilities that is being considered."
German forces fire a Patriot surface-to-air missile during an exercise on the Greek island of Crete in October 2022. Bundeswehr

A senior U.S. defense official confirmed to reporters today that Patriots were among the air defense systems that American authorities, and their allies and partners, are looking at sending to Ukraine. Back in October, U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had listed Patriots as being among the possible systems that might be included in still-evolving plans by an American-led coalition to significantly modernize Ukraine's integrated air defense network in the long term.

A graphic showing the composition of a typical complete Patriot battery, which includes multiple launchers, as well as search and fire control radars, and command and control components. via GlobalSecurity.org
"We have no plans to provide Patriot batteries to Ukraine," U.S. Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder, the Pentagon's top spokesperson, clarified at a subsequent press briefing. "But again, we'll continue to have those discussions, and when and if there's something to announce on that front, we will."
"When it comes to certain capabilities, like Patriot missiles ... you're talking about a pretty significant maintenance and sustainment tail, as well as a training tail on those things. So then none of these systems are 'plug and play.' You can't just show up on the battlefield and start using them," Ryder added. "So those are the kinds of things that are taken into account when it comes to more advanced systems. But again, I want to emphasize that we continue to consider air defense a priority and we'll continue to look at working with allies and partners in terms of what we can get to Ukraine as quickly as possible so that they can start employing those capabilities immediately."

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in a separate press briefing today ahead of a meeting of the alliance's top diplomats in the Romanian capital Bucharest that discussions about the possibility of sending Patriots, among other air defense systems, to Ukraine are ongoing. He noted that members of the U.S.-led Contact Group on Defense of Ukraine, which includes members of NATO and countries outside of the alliance, are heavily focused on ensuring that more modern air defense systems that have already been sent to Ukraine, such as examples of the National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System (NASAMS) and the IRIS-T SLM, remain functional.

"This is [in] part about providing new systems, like for instance, the Patriots, and there is an ongoing discussion about that now, but it's also very much about ensuring that the system... are functioning, are effective," Stoltenberg said. "We need to ensure that we provide spare parts and enable them to do maintenance of the systems, and also ammunition ... We are urgently addressing the need to ensure that the existing systems are working as expected."
This follows somewhat similar comments Stoltenberg made last week in response to a question about a Polish proposal for Germany to transfer Patriot batteries to Ukraine in lieu of deploying them to their territory. German officials offered to send Patriots to Poland after an errant missile, widely believed to have been a Ukrainian surface-to-air missile that was launched in response to Russian strikes, crossed the border and hit a Polish farm, killing two people, on November 15.
The NATO Secretary General had said that NATO was not categorically opposed to such a plan, but said whether or not to actually pursue it was a matter of "national decisions" on the part of the relevant countries.

Ukraine's international partners, including the United States, have rushed to provide additional air defense capabilities in direct response to Russia's missile strikes targeting the country's power grid in recent months. As of this past weekend, an estimated six million Ukrainian households were without power, including the country's capital Kyiv, leaving many without heat, among other things, as temperatures have dropped.
"We need air defense, IRIS, Hawks, Patriots, and we need transformers," Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said while speaking to reporters in Bucharest on the sidelines of the NATO meeting. "If we have transformers and generators, we can restore our energy needs. If we have air defense systems, we can protect from the next Russian missile strikes. In a nutshell: Patriots and transformers is what Ukraine needs the most."

It, of course, very much remains to be seen if there will be any new movement on the transfer of Patriots to Ukraine. As various officials have stressed just today, foreign countries have already delivered a number of additional air defense capabilities to the Ukrainian military, including short and medium-range surface-to-air missile systems like IRIS-T SLM, Crotale, Hawk, and Aspide, or are planning to do so in the near future. These systems offer important additional air defense capacity against Russian cruise missiles and Iranian drones, among other things.
However, Ukraine continues to have virtually no anti-ballistic missile capability, with the exception of a small number of refurbished Soviet-era S-300V surface-to-air missile systems, amid fears that Russia is working with Iran to bolster its arsenal in this regard. Patriots could provide a ballistic missile defense capability in addition to their ability to engage other aerial threats at extended ranges.

Whatever the case, the Ukrainian government is clearly more interested than ever in acquiring Patriots, among other air defense systems, and is pursuing active discussions on this topic with its counterparts in the United States and elsewhere within the NATO alliance.
Contact the author: joe@thedrive.com
 

jward

passin' thru

Russia-Ukraine war: List of key events, day 279​

As the Russia-Ukraine war enters its 279th day, we take a look at the main developments.


The damaged Antonivsky Bridge in Kherson, which was partially destroyed as Russian troops retreated from the southern city [Bernat Armangue/AP]
Published On 29 Nov 2022 29 Nov 2022

Here is the situation as it stands on Tuesday, November 29:

Fighting​


  • Russian forces shelled 30 settlements in Ukraine’s southern Kherson region 258 times in the past week, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said.
  • Ukraine’s military said Russia kept up heavy shelling of key targets Bakhmut and Avdiivka in the eastern Donetsk region and bombarded Kupiansk and Lyman to the north. Kyiv recaptured both recently.
  • The Pentagon is considering a Boeing proposal to supply Ukraine with cheap, small precision bombs fitted onto abundantly available rockets, allowing Kyiv to hit far behind Russian lines as the West struggles to meet demand for more arms.
  • Along front lines in eastern Ukraine, the onset of winter is ushering in a new phase of the conflict, after several months of Russian retreats, with intense trench warfare along heavily fortified positions.
  • Russian forces heavily shelled towns on the west bank of the Dnieper River, including Kherson, abandoned by Moscow earlier this month, Ukraine’s military said.
  • Ukrainian forces damaged a rail bridge north of the Russian-occupied southern city of Melitopol that has been key to supplying Russian forces dug in there.
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Blackouts​

  • The United States will announce new aid to help Ukraine restore electricity as its people face another week of brutal cold and darkness after Russian raids on its power grid caused rolling blackouts.
  • Zelenskyy warned Ukrainians to expect the same during the next week, predicting Russia’s attacks on infrastructure would not stop until it runs out of missiles.
  • NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg will call on allies to pledge more winter aid for Ukraine at a meeting in Romania.
  • Kyiv plans to put up Christmas trees, without lights, throughout the battered city in a defiant display of holiday spirit as the area’s millions of residents suffer through blackouts.
  • Ukrainian energy company Naftogaz has asked the US Agency for International Development to help with additional natural gas volumes for the heating season.
  • Russia has been shelling Ukraine’s power plants, transmission and distribution facilities and water pumping stations since early October, with each barrage dealing a bigger blow than the last as the fallout mounts and winter sets in.
  • Kyiv and its allies say Russia’s attacks on civilian infrastructure are war crimes. Moscow denies its intent is to hurt civilians but said last week their suffering would not end unless Ukraine yielded to Russia’s demands, without spelling them out.

Diplomacy​

  • A communications line created between the American and Russian militaries at the beginning of Russia’s war against Ukraine has been used only once, a United States official told the Reuters news agency. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the United States initiated a call through the “deconfliction” line to communicate its concerns about Russian military operations near critical infrastructure in Ukraine.
  • Nuclear disarmament talks between Russia and the US set to take place this week have been postponed.

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Source: News Agencies
 

mzkitty

I give up.
FLASH
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⚡️The Russian "Wagner PMC" began recruiting mercenaries for the war in Ukraine in the prisons of the Central African Republic, — The Daily Beast.

The Wagnerites are recruiting dozens of insurgents who were held in custody, including for the murders and rapes of women and children, who controlled a large part of the territory of the CAR for almost 10 years during the civil war.

It is reported that the "Wagners" started recruiting back in October, the country's authorities gave the Russians the green light. Mercenaries are trained abroad.

Disgusting. Well, they might never been in that kind of cold and snow, so they could croak right off. One can hope.


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Putin ‘has lost nearly 160 generals and colonels among 1,500 officers’ since Russia invaded Ukraine​

Death rate reported to have been particularly high as Moscow grappled with logistics and communications issues during first weeks of invasion​

1 day ago

Vladimir Putin has lost more than 1,500 military officers – including nearly 160 generals and colonels – since Russia invaded Ukraine nine months ago, according to an open-source tally which echoes the findings of other independent investigations.

 

Red Baron

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Appalling living conditions for the new recruits. The concept of a dominating Russian "Winter Soldier" is a joke.
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Nov 24, 2022
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In Russia, in addition to the ongoing mobilisation among the male population, now they are openly talking about the need for a transition to a ‘mobilisation economy’. Such statements are heard amid regular riots of mobilised for war in Ukraine. The reasons for scandals are typical: conditions in which soldiers have to live, the attitude of commanders towards them, recruits being massively killed. The arrests of those who refuse to go to the frontline were added to this. About the realities of the mobilised men – learn in our story.


Tents in holes, no stoves, no training, command flees – this is how Russia 'doesn't abandon its own'​


View: https://youtu.be/3Lo3X4nTp2M
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Russian rocket flew directly into a kindergarten???? YES - 100% SPIN - looking at the video - looks like the roof is on fire. ZERO BLAST DAMAGE - also nobody around - building looks abandoned - when the leadership of Ukraine is composed of a TV Production team and actors - well maybe just one more skit!
I don't know what I dislike more, the war itself or the propaganda trying to promote it. The propaganda appears to be heavily favored towards the Ukes. The propaganda has an opposite effect on many people, such as those thinking with their brains instead of emotions.

That Russia Russia Russia hoax Trump had to deal with for years is a real bur under my saddle, which causes the propaganda to further tick me off. Had it not been for that I might be a little more even keeled on the subject.

But the war goes on, and NATO will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian and when their country is but a barren wasteland, and the emotionalist ones won't figure it out until it's over.
 

Ukraine War Day #279: A Mother’s Grief, Part II


Posted on November 29, 2022 by yalensis


Κρέων:Creon:
ἀμήχανον δὲ παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἐκμαθεῖνIt’s impossible to really know a man, to know his soul,
ψυχήν τε καὶ φρόνημα καὶ γνώμην, πρὶν ἂνhis mind and will, before one witnesses
ἀρχαῖς τε καὶ νόμοισιν ἐντριβὴς φανῇ.his skill in governing and making laws.
ἐμοὶ γὰρ ὅστις πᾶσαν εὐθύνων πόλινFor me, a man who rules the entire state
μὴ τῶν ἀρίστων ἅπτεται βουλευμάτωνand does not take the best advice there is,
ἀλλ᾽ ἐκ φόβου του γλῶσσαν ἐγκλῄσας ἔχειbut through fear keeps his mouth forever shut,
κάκιστος εἶναι νῦν τε καὶ πάλαι δοκεῖ:such a man is the very worst of men— and always will be.
καὶ μεῖζον ὅστις ἀντὶ τῆς αὑτοῦ πάτραςAnd a man who thinks more highly of a friend than of his country,
φίλον νομίζει, τοῦτον οὐδαμοῦ λέγω.well, he means nothing to me.
ἐγὼ γάρ, ἴστω Ζεὺς ὁ πάνθ᾽ ὁρῶν ἀεί,Let Zeus know, the god who always watches everything,
οὔτ᾽ ἂν σιωπήσαιμι τὴν ἄτην ὁρῶνI would not stay silent if I saw disaster
στείχουσαν ἀστοῖς ἀντὶ τῆς σωτηρίας,moving here against the citizens, a threat to their security.
οὔτ᾽ ἂν φίλον ποτ᾽ ἄνδρα δυσμενῆ χθονὸςFor anyone who acts against the state, its enemy, I’d never make my friend.
θείμην ἐμαυτῷ, τοῦτο γιγνώσκων ὅτιFor I know well our country is a ship which keeps us safe,
ἥδ᾽ ἐστὶν ἡ σῴζουσα καὶ ταύτης ἔπιand only when it sails its proper course do we make friends.
πλέοντες ὀρθῆς τοὺς φίλους ποιούμεθα.These are the principles I’ll use in order to protect our state.
Sophocles: Antigone

Dear Readers,
As the Ukrainian war ever more resembles a Greek tragedy, one starts to wish fervently, if only there was a magic button to push, then a Machine would descend onto the stage, and a God’s authoritative voice, speaking from the Machine, would just fix everything. Maybe even bring the dead back to life. Lowering their masks, the resurrected soldiers would bow to the audience, proving that it was all just a show. And then embrace one another, as brothers are supposed to do. [Except for Azov soldiers, they would stay dead.]

No Power On Earth Like A Jewish Mother

This piece by reporter Andrei Rezchikov, is a continuation of his previous piece, and also features that same bereaved mom Maria Kostiuk. Kostiuk, a political leader in her own right, albeit from a region very distant from the centers of power (=Birobidzhan Jewish Autonomy) looks to be emerging as the natural leader of the Soldiers’ Moms. [Despite my little joke we do not know if she is actually Jewish or just plain Slavic.] Either way, Maria is eloquent; she possesses some political power, determination, and access to Putin. In this segment she speaks out against Ukrainian disinformation campaigns and muses about her plan to organize a political lobby for soldiers and their families. Working and fighting in this manner, will keep Maria occupied and give her life, as well as her son’s death, a new purpose. Putin needs to watch out for this one: She will hold him accountable.

“Ma’am, I need you to step away from the body. We’re just enforcing the Minsk Accords.”


Speaking of which, I saw this piece, on RT of all places. And it’s in English, so you don’t need my help in reading it. I like that Putin mans up and takes responsibility for the excess deaths caused by his long-standing inertia, his failure to react decisively and properly to the Ukrainian military build-up:

“There might not have been so many casualties among civilians, there would not be so many children killed,” the Russian leader suggested. He maintained, however, that back in 2014, Russia did not have a full understanding of the situation in Donbass or of the true sentiments of the locals.

“[We] believed that we might still be able to reach an agreement and … reunify Donetsk and Lugansk with Ukraine within … the Minsk Agreements,”

Russia did not have a full understanding?? That sentence made me want to reach through my computer tube and grab Putin by his throat. Why is it that even I, a dumb blogger, could see all of this so clearly, even back in 2015? And I have the receipts to prove it. My goodness, Macron and Merkel, and those other NATO snakes gaslighted the man for 8 years and pulled the wool over his eyes, all the while buying Poroshenko, and then Zelensky, more time to build up one of the mightiest armies on the European continent! And all the time shelling the shit out of the Russian speakers of Donbass and depriving Crimeans of fresh water. How many ordinary people, how many children, would still be alive if only…
How does that saying go, “Whom the gods make blind… ?”

Maria’s Ideas

Nonetheless let us return to our piece and read more about Maria, about her plan for building a sustainable organization to mediate between the blind and stupid government; and the families who carry the brunt of this war.

Maria is on a crusade against the ЦИПсО (pronounced “Tsipso“). I kept hearing this word on Russian social media and didn’t have a clue what it meant, until I finally figured out it was the acronym for something called the Ukrainian Center for Informational-Psychological Operations. Psy-ops, in other words. NATO Psy-ops against Russia.

Maria: Just by chance, I raised this issue during my meeting with the President on Friday. The Russian Ministry of Defense is duty-bound to counter-act the activities of Tsipso. Back in my region, we know whose children are out there fighting in the Special Military Operation, therefore we are able to support their relatives if they happen to come into contact with the Tsipso. Their activities have become a problem affecting the entire country.

Maria wants to organize a committee of families of warriors fighting for the Fatherland. Founding organizations include “The Women of Russia”, “Union of Soldiers Families”, “Union of the Women of Russia”, and “Russian Mothers”. Besides Maria, one of the key organizers of this project is Julia Belekhova. Like Maria, Julia is a political leader, she heads the Moscow regional fraction of the National Front, and she also met with Putin on Friday. Julia and Maria will work together to form the kind of organization that can counteract the pro-Ukrainian propaganda and fakes, not to mention extortion scams, issuing from the criminals who work for Tsipso.

Maria: “When my Andriusha perished, I knew that his heroic act would be downgraded in the public space, people would try to nullify his death and make it meaningless. I was aware of the activities of Tsipso, but even I didn’t realize that it would get to that level. In social media I received hundreds of negative messages about my son, along with threats against his younger sister.

Antigone’s family: Torn apart by fratricide.


“These hate-messages threw me into a panic. I was filled with fear. I had gone through so much, and I was not able to cope psychologically with this kind of pressure. Well, there is no way to escape from this sort of negativity, therefore we just need to put up some barriers, we need to deal rather harshly with these sorts of provocations in the informational space. The scariest thing is that some of these people actually live nearby, I saw residents of the Jewish Autonomy participating in these online skirmishes.”

Maria described to Putin how Tsipso and other organizations tagged as “foreign agents” try to play on the emotions of the mothers of soldiers. They push all the buttons, play on their nervousness and anxiety, rub salt in the most painful wounds. Their intent is to convince the mothers to convince their sons to abandon their posts at the front. They urge the sons to defect to the other side, promising the mothers to return either the son alive, or his corpse intact. “Some of the mamas fall for their tricks, even give them their son’s telephone number; and if he happens to have his mobile turned on at the time, they can latch onto his signal and send a rocket onto his location. Or, they have a girl engage him in a chat, the girl flirts with him, learns his location, where his unit is located. And, once again, a rocket!”


Among other stupid things it does, Tsipso creates lame anti-Russia memes like these.


The relatives of Russian soldiers are under enormous pressure. Pro-Ukrainian social media bombard them with fakes: photographs and sometimes fake documentation alleging that their loved one is in Ukrainian captivity; and that the Russian military is trying to hide this fact from them. The goal is to drive the person into a panic; in which case he or she becomes even more susceptible to psychological manipulation. Maria: “This is where we can be of help, myself and those who think like me. We can help to authenticate whatever information they have received, and most of the time we can prove to them that nothing bad has happened to their loved one.”

The Ukrainian 72nd Center of Informational-Psychological Operations (Tsipso) was founded in 2004. During the past few years it has operated exclusively in the field of anti-Russia propaganda. Its main task is to create psyops diversions against the Russian enemy. Prior to the Special Military Operation it mostly engaged in over-the-telephone cons and money-extracting scams. A hacker from the group RaHDIt once revealed, anonymously, to the Russian press, that Ukraine actually has four such centers. The main one, the 72nd, used to be located in Brovary (Kiev region), until it was eliminated by a Russian rocket attack early in the war. The 83rd Center is in Odessa, the 74th in Lvov, and the 16th in Zhitomir. Reporter Rezchikov ends his piece by pointing out that these Tsipso specialists have all been trained by foreign specialists, in their dark arts of Information-Diversion and Psy-Ops manipulations.


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Ukraine War Day #278: A Mother’s Grief, Part I


Posted on November 28, 2022 by yalensis


Dear Readers:
I don’t like to get into numbers games about how many casualties, etc. War is war, and soldiers die. However, the best estimate I saw was from Brian Berletic on his “New Atlas” podcast, which you can find on youtube and Rumble. Using his best analysis and taking into account many factors, Brian estimates that, in the past 9 months of the war, something around 8,000 Russian soldiers have been killed. An average of around 1,000 per month, give or take. People can dispute these numbers; my main point being that it is not physically possible for the Russian President to meet personally with, and console, all 8,000 mothers of these soldiers.

Having made that point, today I have the story of Putin speaking with a selected group of mothers of Russian soldiers who lost their sons on the Ukrainian front. This is one of those sad but necessary political rituals that any wartime leader must perform. Looking at the photo, it seems like this was a morning meeting; and that the moms were treated with coffee, cake, fruit salad and pastries.

This meeting took place on Friday, Nov. 25, just 2 days before Russian Mothers Day, which is always celebrated on the last Sunday of November. Usually there are flowers.

We’ll start with this one, by reporter Andrei Rezchikov, who tells the story of Maria Kostiuk, who lost her son back in August.

Maria Kostiuk: “The main impression I took from the meeting: The head of our government is fully informed about everything. He knows everything there is to know about the equipment [of our boys], the oversights of the military departments, the combat battalions, the types of officers, everything. My son told me that he had the good fortune to serve under the kind of boss who did not treat his subordinates as simply soldiers [but rather had a fatherly attitude towards them]. The President is fully aware, just how painful it is for us mothers to talk about the loss of our sons, because it is simply impossible to pick the right words when speaking about our pain.”

Maria is not just any mom. She is the Deputy Chairman of the government of the Jewish Autonomy of the Russian Federation (Birobidzhan). Maria’s son was Senior Lieutenant Andrei Kovtun, who commanded a Company of motorized riflemen. It was on his second tour of duty that Andrei perished near the town of Spornoe, on the territory of the Donetsk Peoples Republic. According to Maria, her son fought at the front since the very start of the Special Operation and gave his life to save other soldiers. The very definition of a hero.

Putin speaks with Maria Kostiuk

Maria: “The President’s words convinced me even more that my son died fighting for a just cause. I had never doubted it, and I also believe in this cause, which cost my son his life. And it meant a lot to me that the head of our government recognizes my son’s heroic feat and treats it with respect.

“He came home [in between deployments]. On July 29 he turned 26. He was ecstatic that he was able to celebrate his birthday at home, for the first time in 10 years. And then on August 4 he was off to the front again.” On August 10 Maria’s son was dispatched on a mission to help extract a reconnaissance unit that had fallen into an ambush near the town of Spornoe. “He dashed into the fray to help the other lads, gave them covering fire. He was able to save the sappers. Andrei himself was killed, but thanks to him others lived.”

Andrei left behind a wife and son, Maria’s grandson: “Grief does not care, if you are an entrepreneur, a teacher, or a bureaucrat. Grief cuts to the human heart. I am the mama of an officer. But I am also the Deputy Chairman of the government of the Jewish Autonomy. I am that bureaucrat that everyone writes about, how we hide our loved ones from the army; that we try to sabotage the mobilization. I don’t know where people get these ideas, the other bureaucrats that I am familiar with, there are many counter-examples [to that stereotype].”

Maria reports that each of the moms that she knows, deals with her private grief in her own individual way. Some volunteer at military locations, even at the front lines, not as fighters, but helping to organize humanitarian aid, that sort of thing: “My comrade mothers are goal-oriented, strong, courageous, they so well understand the importance of what is going on, that, when talking about their sons, they struggle to hold back their tears. Although, I have to say, that at this meeting, everybody cried without exception.”

In the course of the meeting, Putin told the mothers that he is personally in contact with many of the individual soldiers, that he talks to them over the phone, and is always impressed with their dedication and their businesslike attitude about their work. The President stressed that the entire nation shares the pain of those who have lost loved ones at the front. The Russian government pledges to support the bereaved families in any way that it can.
[to be continued]

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