Here is a link to a company who sells many things like MSM and at a much lower price and if you buy in bulk it gets even cheaper.
http://www.taoofherbs.com/search.asp
http://www.taoofherbs.com/search.asp
HEALTH RESULTS OF 4 MONTHS TAKING DIATOMACEOUS EARTH (From April 2013)
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Loon
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He is now following Dr. Berstein's diabetic solution diet and he can't really have fruit on it at all. Especially not bananas since they are high in carbs and natural sugar. It is hard but he's doing well on it. He's BS numbers are much lower now. He needs to drink more water. I keep after him but it's hard for him to drink when he doesn't feel thirst. If he drinks sufficient water he doesn't have the cramps so bad.
Flippper
Time Traveler
Put a bar of soap under your sheets, for some bizarre reason it alleviates leg cramps.
Diabetics need to eat as much raw vegetables and fruits as possible, and remove cooked grains. Raw honey is fine, as is raw milk. I have a large post on the results of a raw food diet that dropped my dad's BG from 240 to 99 in 4 days. After a week or so I incorporated grilled beef, chicken and fish into his diet with excellent results.
From what I can determine, arthritis is a hypothyroid symptom-hypoT folks do not use calcium properly, so it ends up as deposits on bones, in arteries and on joints. It can also cause calcification in saliva glands, cause tooth plaque and excrete through the skin in the form of hard, stone like pieces. I avoid all calcium supplements unless I'm on my natural dessicated thyroid medicine. I have a hunch that the DE helps the body utilize calcium, in part by furnishing the right mineral (silica) to do the job boosting thyroid hormone function.
Diabetics need to eat as much raw vegetables and fruits as possible, and remove cooked grains. Raw honey is fine, as is raw milk. I have a large post on the results of a raw food diet that dropped my dad's BG from 240 to 99 in 4 days. After a week or so I incorporated grilled beef, chicken and fish into his diet with excellent results.
From what I can determine, arthritis is a hypothyroid symptom-hypoT folks do not use calcium properly, so it ends up as deposits on bones, in arteries and on joints. It can also cause calcification in saliva glands, cause tooth plaque and excrete through the skin in the form of hard, stone like pieces. I avoid all calcium supplements unless I'm on my natural dessicated thyroid medicine. I have a hunch that the DE helps the body utilize calcium, in part by furnishing the right mineral (silica) to do the job boosting thyroid hormone function.
Bananas contain potassium, which is one of the minerals implicated in muscle cramps. Magnesium is another. Oddly, while nothing helps prevent them completely in my damaged left leg (residual nerve damage from herniated disks, and a lot of missing bones/tendons in my left foot, so things don't "stretch out" like they should), I found something that eliminates them within about 5 minutes... mustard!! Just a half teaspoon or so of plain prepared mustard (I use Webers Horseradish mustard, simply because we like the flavor, but any should work) wipes them out for the rest of the night.
I have NO idea how or why. The "soap under the sheets" helped quite a bit, but nothing prevents them completely for me.
As far as the "not thirsty" problem, the best thing to do is label a pitcher or jar for that one person, and put at least 48 ounces of water in it in the fridge every morning. They can use it for mixing up tea, etc, or making lemonade or flavored water, but by the end of the day, it should be empty. Truly, if someone is drinking so little water that their muscles are cramping, they are also endangering their kidneys. Especially with diabetes, it's vital to consume enough liquids every day.
Summerthyme
I have NO idea how or why. The "soap under the sheets" helped quite a bit, but nothing prevents them completely for me.
As far as the "not thirsty" problem, the best thing to do is label a pitcher or jar for that one person, and put at least 48 ounces of water in it in the fridge every morning. They can use it for mixing up tea, etc, or making lemonade or flavored water, but by the end of the day, it should be empty. Truly, if someone is drinking so little water that their muscles are cramping, they are also endangering their kidneys. Especially with diabetes, it's vital to consume enough liquids every day.
Summerthyme
Loon
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Thanks for the comments and advice. My husband has been treated for kidney stones in the last year. Another reason I bug him to drink more water. He thinks drinking coffee counts as fluids but I told him coffee is DEHYDRATING, not HYDRATING. 
His has mild hypertension and is on a blood pressure pill that I suspect acts as a diuretic also so it's even more important that he drink. Because of the high blood pressure I don't salt his foods or anything I prepare much. It is a fine balance for sure.
His has mild hypertension and is on a blood pressure pill that I suspect acts as a diuretic also so it's even more important that he drink. Because of the high blood pressure I don't salt his foods or anything I prepare much. It is a fine balance for sure.
China Connection
TB Fanatic
Most health problems have inflammation behind them,
Anyway try Earthing.
Go to an electrical type shop and get an antistatic mat. You can get them from small to large. My new one however is two by three meters that I sleep on. I just used an ordinary plug an only connected the earthing wire. Not the safest idea but cheap.
Those with Arthritic problems will sleep a lot better, It needs to be big enough to keep your feet on it while you sleep.
Anyway try Earthing.
Go to an electrical type shop and get an antistatic mat. You can get them from small to large. My new one however is two by three meters that I sleep on. I just used an ordinary plug an only connected the earthing wire. Not the safest idea but cheap.
Those with Arthritic problems will sleep a lot better, It needs to be big enough to keep your feet on it while you sleep.
China Connection
TB Fanatic
Anyone on a mainly meat diet will be in need of potassium
http://au.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Potas...c=0&lc=en-US&w=potassium&rc=6152&sr=null&ic=7
http://au.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Potas...c=0&lc=en-US&w=potassium&rc=6152&sr=null&ic=7
China Connection
TB Fanatic
With the MSM don't rush in taking too much at the start or you will get the runs,
What Are The Side Effects of MSM? | LIVESTRONG.COM
http://www.livestrong.com/article/125506-side-effects-msm/
16 Aug 2013 ... According to "The Miracle of MSM" by Drs. Jacob, Lawrence and ... The main adverse effect was diarrhea, which occurred in more than 5 ...
http://beyondhealth.com/media/wysiwyg/kadro/articles/MSM.pdf
What Are The Side Effects of MSM? | LIVESTRONG.COM
http://www.livestrong.com/article/125506-side-effects-msm/
16 Aug 2013 ... According to "The Miracle of MSM" by Drs. Jacob, Lawrence and ... The main adverse effect was diarrhea, which occurred in more than 5 ...
http://beyondhealth.com/media/wysiwyg/kadro/articles/MSM.pdf
meandk0610
Veteran Member
I'd love to read about your dad's raw food diet, but can't find it using search (short of going through all of your posts manually). I tried "raw AND dad AND food" in the search string with flippper as the name and got everything by you except for a post about your dad. Do you remember the title or could you post a link? TIA!
Border Collie
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A month (or two) ago I started taking DE daily to see if it would help with the floaters in my eyes. Someone (Summerthyme?) posted that after some interval of the previous year their floaters has gone away. I'm willing to try.
The bother of taking the powder dissuades me so I made it easy - I dip a teaspoon into a container of DE, getting a heap on the front half of the spoon, put it under my tongue to avoid breathing any of it in, and then take a swig of water or two and rinse it down.
Does anyone see a problem in that?
I've tried mixing it up in a glass of water, but never completely dissolves, and mixing it in some food item, but I just don't have time most days, so I use this method as quick and simple. The DE powder is tasteless.
Border Collie
The bother of taking the powder dissuades me so I made it easy - I dip a teaspoon into a container of DE, getting a heap on the front half of the spoon, put it under my tongue to avoid breathing any of it in, and then take a swig of water or two and rinse it down.
Does anyone see a problem in that?
I've tried mixing it up in a glass of water, but never completely dissolves, and mixing it in some food item, but I just don't have time most days, so I use this method as quick and simple. The DE powder is tasteless.
Border Collie
WisconsinGardener
Loony Member
I can't do mine with plain water. However, it holds in suspension for me in tea. I always have a jug of herbal iced tea in the fridge. It seems safer than putting it directly in your mouth. But, what do I know?
I love this stuff, still taking it every day.
I have gone down three loops smaller on my belt, really like that.
I sure wish I could find a couple threads about black salve stuff I rember reading, if I rember wright it works on skin cancer.
I will just keep looking, can't seem to find it on doing a search.
I have gone down three loops smaller on my belt, really like that.
I sure wish I could find a couple threads about black salve stuff I rember reading, if I rember wright it works on skin cancer.
I will just keep looking, can't seem to find it on doing a search.
Lorraine in GA
Senior Member
Dogmann, is this the thread? http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?431809-Black-Salve
I have used black salve on both my face and arm. If you want to PM me about it, feel free. I don't want to hijack this thread.
I have used black salve on both my face and arm. If you want to PM me about it, feel free. I don't want to hijack this thread.
Dogmann, is this the thread? http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?431809-Black-Salve
I have used black salve on both my face and arm. If you want to PM me about it, feel free. I don't want to hijack this thread.
Thank you and I will.
Thanks
Loon
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Does that work for skin tags?
Hansa44
Justine Case
I have come to the conclusion (in my own life) that severe cramping in legs and feet is due to dehydration. I've tried everything to alleviate this misery, including magnesium and potassium.
I tend to get up quite often at night to pee so I kept a 20 oz. bottle of water next to my bed to make sure I was getting enough. I'd only drink 1/4 to 1/2 cup each time I got up, but noticed all the cramping was disappearing with the water.
I do NOT like water! For this reason only small amounts were consumed. And it wasn't enough. I started buying La Croix sparkling water. NO sodium. No sweeteners of any kind. But I would add small amounts of orange juice and maybe a little stevia. Also rootbeer flavoring and some vanilla. Or black cherry concentrate. There are plenty of ways to spice up plain sparkling water and up your hydration.
I've heard many people say they cannot drink water. Well, there are ways to get those fluids and it sure beats the heck out of horrendous leg and feet cramps.
It's sure worth a try to anyone suffering with these cramps.
I tend to get up quite often at night to pee so I kept a 20 oz. bottle of water next to my bed to make sure I was getting enough. I'd only drink 1/4 to 1/2 cup each time I got up, but noticed all the cramping was disappearing with the water.
I do NOT like water! For this reason only small amounts were consumed. And it wasn't enough. I started buying La Croix sparkling water. NO sodium. No sweeteners of any kind. But I would add small amounts of orange juice and maybe a little stevia. Also rootbeer flavoring and some vanilla. Or black cherry concentrate. There are plenty of ways to spice up plain sparkling water and up your hydration.
I've heard many people say they cannot drink water. Well, there are ways to get those fluids and it sure beats the heck out of horrendous leg and feet cramps.
It's sure worth a try to anyone suffering with these cramps.
Border Collie
Inactive
I had a couple of floaters - red ones, one on each eye on the outer peripheral for about a year. Then I got a lot of dark ones. I starter take DE, 1/4 - 1/2 heaping spoonful each day. The dark floaters went away after a month or so. The two red ones went away after 2 or 3 months. I continue to take DE each morning, no return for past few months.
I've skin tags, they were not affected by DE, so I burned them off with the freezing tool for warts.
DE has not helped with weight loss.
Border Collie
I've skin tags, they were not affected by DE, so I burned them off with the freezing tool for warts.
DE has not helped with weight loss.
Border Collie
China Connection
TB Fanatic
The most important trace mineral I know of besides zinc is boron. Now it is no good me saying that I know for sure that Timebombers are boron deficient but most will be. For instance most Westerners get some form or another of arthritis in their older years. Most will breathe fairly fast etc. Boron that is sold for cleaning will fix things up. Yep, it says poison on the packet but table salt has the same level of toxicity.
Now example a friend who is 77 couldn't turn his head around properly and had other arthritis was all but fixed up after two weeks taking boron salt.
How much salt did he take??? Boron is a trace element!!!! So a damp finger tip once a day
stuck into boron salt did the trick.
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Biological role
Boron is needed by life. In 2013, a hypothesis suggested it was possible that boron and molybdenum catalyzed the production of RNA on Mars with life being transported to Earth via a meteorite around 3 billion years ago.[112]
There exists one known boron-containing natural antibiotic, boromycin, isolated from streptomyces.[113][114]
Boron is an essential plant nutrient, required primarily for maintaining the integrity of cell walls. However, high soil concentrations of > 1.0 ppm lead to marginal and tip necrosis in leaves as well as poor overall growth performance. Levels as low as 0.8 ppm produce these same symptoms in plants that are particularly sensitive to boron in the soil. Nearly all plants, even those somewhat tolerant of soil boron, will show at least some symptoms of boron toxicity when soil boron content is greater than 1.8 ppm. When this content exceeds 2.0 ppm, few plants will perform well and some may not survive. When boron levels in plant tissue exceed 200 ppm, symptoms of boron toxicity are likely to appear.[115][116][117]
As an ultratrace element, boron is necessary for the optimal health of rats. Boron deficiency in rats is not easy to produce, since boron is needed by rats in such small amounts that ultrapurified foods and dust filtration of air are required. Boron deficiency manifests in rats as poor coat or hair quality. Presumably boron is necessary to other mammals. No deficiency syndrome in humans has been described. Small amounts of boron occur widely in the diet, and the amounts needed in the diet would, by extension from rodent studies, be very small. The exact physiological role of boron in the animal kingdom is poorly understood.[118]
Boron occurs in all foods produced from plants. Since 1989 its nutritional value has been argued. It is thought that boron plays several biochemical roles in animals, including humans.[119] The United States Department of Agriculture conducted an experiment in which postmenopausal women took 3 mg of boron a day. The results showed that supplemental boron reduced excretion of calcium by 44%, and activated estrogen and vitamin D, suggesting a possible role in the suppression of osteoporosis. However, whether these effects were conventionally nutritional, or medicinal, could not be determined. The U.S. National Institutes of Health states that "Total daily boron intake in normal human diets ranges from 2.1–4.3 mg boron/day."[120][121]
Congenital endothelial dystrophy type 2, a rare form of corneal dystrophy, is linked to mutations in SLC4A11 gene that encodes a transporter reportedly regulating the intracellular concentration of boron.[122]
Analytical quantification
For determination of boron content in food or materials the colorimetric curcumin method is used. Boron is converted to boric acid or borates and on reaction with curcumin in acidic solution, a red colored boron-chelate complex, rosocyanine, is formed.[123]
Health issues and toxicity
Elemental boron, boron oxide, boric acid, borates, and many organoboron compounds are nontoxic to humans and animals (with toxicity similar to that of table salt). The LD50 (dose at which there is 50% mortality) for animals is about 6 g per kg of body weight. Substances with LD50 above 2 g are considered nontoxic. The minimum lethal dose for humans has not been established. An intake of 4 g/day of boric acid was reported without incident, but more than this is considered toxic in more than a few doses. Intakes of more than 0.5 grams per day for 50 days cause minor digestive and other problems suggestive of toxicity.[124] Single medical doses of 20 g of boric acid for neutron capture therapy have been used without undue toxicity. Fish have survived for 30 min in a saturated boric acid solution and can survive longer in strong borax solutions.[125] Boric acid is more toxic to insects than to mammals, and is routinely used as an insecticide.[89]
The boranes (boron hydrogen compounds) and similar gaseous compounds are quite poisonous. As usual, it is not an element that is intrinsically poisonous, but their toxicity depends on structure.[14][15]
The boranes are toxic as well as highly flammable and require special care when handling. Sodium borohydride presents a fire hazard owing to its reducing nature and the liberation of hydrogen on contact with acid. Boron halides are corrosive.[126]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron
Now example a friend who is 77 couldn't turn his head around properly and had other arthritis was all but fixed up after two weeks taking boron salt.
How much salt did he take??? Boron is a trace element!!!! So a damp finger tip once a day
stuck into boron salt did the trick.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Biological role
Boron is needed by life. In 2013, a hypothesis suggested it was possible that boron and molybdenum catalyzed the production of RNA on Mars with life being transported to Earth via a meteorite around 3 billion years ago.[112]
There exists one known boron-containing natural antibiotic, boromycin, isolated from streptomyces.[113][114]
Boron is an essential plant nutrient, required primarily for maintaining the integrity of cell walls. However, high soil concentrations of > 1.0 ppm lead to marginal and tip necrosis in leaves as well as poor overall growth performance. Levels as low as 0.8 ppm produce these same symptoms in plants that are particularly sensitive to boron in the soil. Nearly all plants, even those somewhat tolerant of soil boron, will show at least some symptoms of boron toxicity when soil boron content is greater than 1.8 ppm. When this content exceeds 2.0 ppm, few plants will perform well and some may not survive. When boron levels in plant tissue exceed 200 ppm, symptoms of boron toxicity are likely to appear.[115][116][117]
As an ultratrace element, boron is necessary for the optimal health of rats. Boron deficiency in rats is not easy to produce, since boron is needed by rats in such small amounts that ultrapurified foods and dust filtration of air are required. Boron deficiency manifests in rats as poor coat or hair quality. Presumably boron is necessary to other mammals. No deficiency syndrome in humans has been described. Small amounts of boron occur widely in the diet, and the amounts needed in the diet would, by extension from rodent studies, be very small. The exact physiological role of boron in the animal kingdom is poorly understood.[118]
Boron occurs in all foods produced from plants. Since 1989 its nutritional value has been argued. It is thought that boron plays several biochemical roles in animals, including humans.[119] The United States Department of Agriculture conducted an experiment in which postmenopausal women took 3 mg of boron a day. The results showed that supplemental boron reduced excretion of calcium by 44%, and activated estrogen and vitamin D, suggesting a possible role in the suppression of osteoporosis. However, whether these effects were conventionally nutritional, or medicinal, could not be determined. The U.S. National Institutes of Health states that "Total daily boron intake in normal human diets ranges from 2.1–4.3 mg boron/day."[120][121]
Congenital endothelial dystrophy type 2, a rare form of corneal dystrophy, is linked to mutations in SLC4A11 gene that encodes a transporter reportedly regulating the intracellular concentration of boron.[122]
Analytical quantification
For determination of boron content in food or materials the colorimetric curcumin method is used. Boron is converted to boric acid or borates and on reaction with curcumin in acidic solution, a red colored boron-chelate complex, rosocyanine, is formed.[123]
Health issues and toxicity
Elemental boron, boron oxide, boric acid, borates, and many organoboron compounds are nontoxic to humans and animals (with toxicity similar to that of table salt). The LD50 (dose at which there is 50% mortality) for animals is about 6 g per kg of body weight. Substances with LD50 above 2 g are considered nontoxic. The minimum lethal dose for humans has not been established. An intake of 4 g/day of boric acid was reported without incident, but more than this is considered toxic in more than a few doses. Intakes of more than 0.5 grams per day for 50 days cause minor digestive and other problems suggestive of toxicity.[124] Single medical doses of 20 g of boric acid for neutron capture therapy have been used without undue toxicity. Fish have survived for 30 min in a saturated boric acid solution and can survive longer in strong borax solutions.[125] Boric acid is more toxic to insects than to mammals, and is routinely used as an insecticide.[89]
The boranes (boron hydrogen compounds) and similar gaseous compounds are quite poisonous. As usual, it is not an element that is intrinsically poisonous, but their toxicity depends on structure.[14][15]
The boranes are toxic as well as highly flammable and require special care when handling. Sodium borohydride presents a fire hazard owing to its reducing nature and the liberation of hydrogen on contact with acid. Boron halides are corrosive.[126]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron
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China Connection
TB Fanatic
Now Foods, Boron, 3 mg, 250 Capsules
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Boron-3-mg-250-Capsules/428
Great price! Can't Beat it! All the stuff I've read suggests this is great for preventing and even treating osteo and rhuymatoid arthritis.
Posted by 5334723888520109150 on May 28, 2015
After reading 2 double blind placebo controlled trials for using Boron on people with osteo arthritis I'm sold on this as a health supplement. Science suggests places with an average boron intake (naturally from the food) have very little arthritis. The studies also mentioned that the synovial fluid in arthritic patients had low boron and also that people with higher boron intake had stronger bones. From what I've read on the Australian guy who used boron to treat both osteo and rhemetoid arthritis he found 9mg for 1-3months was usually good to sort out pain and symptoms. Then he recommended 3mg a day just as a maintenance dose. The two clinical trials I read used 6mg. I think these are likely safe amounts considering the studies quotes around less than 1mg to over 40mg per day as average intake for boron in different parts of the world.
I waited 2 months before reviewing boron to see if it worked. My problem was at night my legs or one of my legs, probably the right leg, would keep moving in my sleep and in that movement the big toe of my right foot would scratch and cause bleeding to the outside of my left ankle. After 2 months of taking 2 capsules of Boron with 1capsule of magnesium/calcium it has stopped. It stopped about 3 weeks ago and I have not had one scratch or any bleeding since, all that is left is a few scars; I have even let the nail on the big toe of my right foot grow as another test and no scratching or damage has appeared. My wife also tells me she has not heard my feet sliding back and forth any more. I am going to continue to take Boron with magnesium to ensure the leg movement does not come back and to get some of the other health benefits.
I have now been taking three 3mg capsules of Now Foods boron daily for approximately 4 years. I had extremely severe rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and after taking the boron for 3 months the RA had disappeared completly, and has never returned. It is my understanding that boron only works for curing RA if it is manufactured from Calcium Borogluconate and Now Foods appears to be the only company manufacturing boron this way.
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Flippper
Time Traveler
My dad started having this problem, plus his fingernail beds were white. The cramping can be low vitamin D levels, as vitamin D helps the body regulate calcium. My dad's vitamin D levels had dropped from 80 to 50 recently and he began getting cramps. He's diabetic and hypothyroid. The worst thing a diabetic/hypoT can do is take calcium, it can cause heart attacks from my understanding. I suspect low vitamin D levels (which seem to be a symptom of diabetes/hypoT) are the culprit. What did my dad's doc do? He put him on calcium for the cramping! Ugh. Natural Calm without calcium is an excellent source of magnesium, and it comes in many flavors. I get mine at www.swansonvitamins.com
Kidney stones can be a symptom of low vitamin D (see above comment), as the calcification process that causes tooth and artery plaque, eye floaters/cataracts and arthritis, etc., is caused by the body being unable to correctly process calcium, in fact, low D levels appear to leech calcium from the bones and release it into the bloodstream.Thanks for the comments and advice. My husband has been treated for kidney stones in the last year. Another reason I bug him to drink more water. He thinks drinking coffee counts as fluids but I told him coffee is DEHYDRATING, not HYDRATING.
If he's hypothyroid (almost always undiagnosed) or diabetic, the worst thing you can do is force him to drink water. There is a reason the body refuses to sense thirst, because it is trying to hang on to every mineral and vitamin it can, drinking water flushes those electrolytes out and will cause the person to feel even worse. In diabetes and hypothyroidism, the body is in a state of imbalance, and minerals/vitamins are not optimal, nor are they easily absorbed. It's really messed up. If he drinks water, try putting some fresh squeezed lemon juice and stevia in it, the lemon juice will help with calcification-quite often the people who get tooth plaque are not acidic, they are actually too alkaline, so the body can't clean the plaque off teeth naturally as it's designed to do. Some people who are too alkaline will enjoy soda pop, it's the carbonation they crave, as it helps acidify the system.
I searched out this thread tonight because after telling my neighbor about DE, she began taking it, and has lost 30 lbs! She said she takes a tablespoon a day. She has thyroid problems and some other very odd health issues, but the DE is really helping her, I wanted others to know that they may not be taking enough. I was taking a heaping teaspoon a day, but starting today began doing a tablespoon in water. OMG how I dread taking that stuff, it smells like potters clay, so I put a tablespoon of it in a quarter cup of water, hold my breath and chug it down, then take another plain water chaser.
Read my above comments, try taking more of the DE and see if it helps with any weight loss. It sure helps with my energy.
To those who wanted to know about my dad's raw food diet, I'll see if I can dig it up and I'll post a link here if I can find it.
Loon
Inactive
Thanks Flipper for the additional info for my husband. He stopped taking the liquid magnesium. It was terrible tasting and hard to get down. I finally started putting some sea salt on his food at the evening meal and he stopped having leg cramps. I think he needed whatever is in the salt.
We did meet our new doctor day before yesterday and next week we both go for bloodwork. Hopefully, any deficiencies will show up in bloodwork and can be a guide to what we need to take if anything.
We did meet our new doctor day before yesterday and next week we both go for bloodwork. Hopefully, any deficiencies will show up in bloodwork and can be a guide to what we need to take if anything.
Flippper
Time Traveler
I've never taken liquid magnesium, it sounds nasty. I've only taken capsules and the flavored powder (yummy).
Instead of putting up a single post on blood sugar stuff, I'm going to put the individual posts here, I couldn't find the big one I was talking about where I went through the entire protocol and results but found some smaller posts I'd made regarding the diet and put them here. I just learned that avocados will help regulate bg while watching Jon Gabriel discussing his weight loss protocols on youtube, he's very well educated in nutrition and biology and worth investing some time in watching. I think incorporating DE with this would have really knocked things out of the ballpark, though to be honest, I believe adding a lot more raw fresh vegetables and fruits to your daily diet would be immensely health building.
6/17/2010:Pete, look into the Raw Food diet, my dad's BG was 240, in 3 days of raw food (veggies and fruits with xylitol and a little honey) his BG was 99. We incorporated fish, chicken and beef (cooked, naturally) and his numbers were still low.
Now, he's been doing something else and his doctor asked him what he did to get his cholesterol (a sign of hypothyroid type 2) and BG down. My mom told me they're taking vitamin c 1000 units, glutatiomine and AGE, all in liposomal form for direct uptake by the cells. http://www.livonlabs.com/
I saw his blood test results, and they were really, really good. Today for the first time since I was 6 I saw my dad riding a bicycle, so he's feeling good.
I haven't tried the livon products, but I can say they work. If you can't afford them, do the raw food diet. Do a search on it, there's lots of recipes online.
2014: A raw food diet will drop your BG to normal in a few days. I believe it's lack of enzymes found in cooked/processed foods that may allow BG to rise. You can even eat fruit and raw honey (don't go crazy) and not raise your BG on a raw diet. Look up some of my old posts on this, I posted a lot about my dad and bf doing the raw diet. There are a lot of recipes online for variety.
I, and many doctors who know the dirt on hypothyriodism, believe that type 2 diabetes is a symptom of hypothyroidism. Not all hypoT's are fat, but they will display some of the many symptoms of the disease. Also, stress (of any kind) can cause adrenal weakness that will in turn compromise thyroid hormone uptake at the cellular level, so you may be able to help your BG levels by addressing adrenals/thyroid. Dr. Mark Starr's book "Type 2 Hypothyroidism, the Undiagnosed Epidemic" is excellent reading; you may find what you need in it. It's no longer in print but you can still find it at Amazon or at his site www.21centurymed.com
2/24/12:
Dr. Gabriel Cousens on Curing Diabetes with Raw Food and on Why Going Vegan Makes Sense
Excerpt:
Whether you've already quit meat or not, this is perhaps the perfect time to listen to American doctor Gabriel Cousens. A medical doctor, psychiatrist and family therapist, he has become a household name in the subject of raw vegan food, and even sustains this diet can cure diabetes and depression.Dr. Cousens was trained traditionally but soon realized something very simple yet essential: curing disease is not only about medications, but also about changing habits and looking at the broader picture.
"As a third-year medical student at Columbia Medical School I solved five incurable cases of people who had emotional difficulties that were showing psychosomatically, which made me realize that the mind affects the body", he explains. "Then I went into psychiatry and family therapy, and realized that an unhealthy body affects the mind too. It works in both directions."
You don't need to be vegan, my dad got his numbers to normal (steady 240 down to 90) and incorporated meat, fish, poultry and dairy after a few weeks and was still fine-grilled, steamed, broiled, fried, just no breading and using organic coconut oil, olive oil (NO fillers) or real butter. Fruits were fine as well after a few days on the diet, no spike at all, I even mixed them with unsweetened coconut and a little bit of honey and a sprinkle of cinnamon.
YMMV, try looking into cures NOW so you won't need medicine in the future.
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My apologies for the thread drift, had I found the large post I'd made, I would have made this a separate thread.
Instead of putting up a single post on blood sugar stuff, I'm going to put the individual posts here, I couldn't find the big one I was talking about where I went through the entire protocol and results but found some smaller posts I'd made regarding the diet and put them here. I just learned that avocados will help regulate bg while watching Jon Gabriel discussing his weight loss protocols on youtube, he's very well educated in nutrition and biology and worth investing some time in watching. I think incorporating DE with this would have really knocked things out of the ballpark, though to be honest, I believe adding a lot more raw fresh vegetables and fruits to your daily diet would be immensely health building.
6/17/2010:Pete, look into the Raw Food diet, my dad's BG was 240, in 3 days of raw food (veggies and fruits with xylitol and a little honey) his BG was 99. We incorporated fish, chicken and beef (cooked, naturally) and his numbers were still low.
Now, he's been doing something else and his doctor asked him what he did to get his cholesterol (a sign of hypothyroid type 2) and BG down. My mom told me they're taking vitamin c 1000 units, glutatiomine and AGE, all in liposomal form for direct uptake by the cells. http://www.livonlabs.com/
I saw his blood test results, and they were really, really good. Today for the first time since I was 6 I saw my dad riding a bicycle, so he's feeling good.
I haven't tried the livon products, but I can say they work. If you can't afford them, do the raw food diet. Do a search on it, there's lots of recipes online.
2014: A raw food diet will drop your BG to normal in a few days. I believe it's lack of enzymes found in cooked/processed foods that may allow BG to rise. You can even eat fruit and raw honey (don't go crazy) and not raise your BG on a raw diet. Look up some of my old posts on this, I posted a lot about my dad and bf doing the raw diet. There are a lot of recipes online for variety.
I, and many doctors who know the dirt on hypothyriodism, believe that type 2 diabetes is a symptom of hypothyroidism. Not all hypoT's are fat, but they will display some of the many symptoms of the disease. Also, stress (of any kind) can cause adrenal weakness that will in turn compromise thyroid hormone uptake at the cellular level, so you may be able to help your BG levels by addressing adrenals/thyroid. Dr. Mark Starr's book "Type 2 Hypothyroidism, the Undiagnosed Epidemic" is excellent reading; you may find what you need in it. It's no longer in print but you can still find it at Amazon or at his site www.21centurymed.com
2/24/12:
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Whether you've already quit meat or not, this is perhaps the perfect time to listen to American doctor Gabriel Cousens. A medical doctor, psychiatrist and family therapist, he has become a household name in the subject of raw vegan food, and even sustains this diet can cure diabetes and depression.Dr. Cousens was trained traditionally but soon realized something very simple yet essential: curing disease is not only about medications, but also about changing habits and looking at the broader picture.
"As a third-year medical student at Columbia Medical School I solved five incurable cases of people who had emotional difficulties that were showing psychosomatically, which made me realize that the mind affects the body", he explains. "Then I went into psychiatry and family therapy, and realized that an unhealthy body affects the mind too. It works in both directions."
You don't need to be vegan, my dad got his numbers to normal (steady 240 down to 90) and incorporated meat, fish, poultry and dairy after a few weeks and was still fine-grilled, steamed, broiled, fried, just no breading and using organic coconut oil, olive oil (NO fillers) or real butter. Fruits were fine as well after a few days on the diet, no spike at all, I even mixed them with unsweetened coconut and a little bit of honey and a sprinkle of cinnamon.
YMMV, try looking into cures NOW so you won't need medicine in the future.
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My apologies for the thread drift, had I found the large post I'd made, I would have made this a separate thread.
Border Collie
Inactive
Flippper, thank you very much! I'm going to increase to either a heaping tablespoon full each morning, or if possible a heaping teaspoon twice a day. From my reading, I gather that at least one aspect of DE and weight loss is appetite suppression. If so, then taking it over two times in a day should help extend the effect. I can say this for a fact. On day one here, going from about a measuring spoon teaspoon amount (a heap of powder on the end of a common teaspoon) daily, to today taking a full heaping teaspoon (about 1 or 1.5 tbsp) my energy is definitely improved. I've relied on a daily can of Monster Java coffee plus energy and an 8 hr energy capsule to remain awake at work for the past 7 weeks.
And having a typical day or IT work and meetings, not taking any energy kick, and not feeling sleepy/tired is distinctly noticeable.
And the only difference was the amount of DE I was taking. I'll continue to take a heaping spoon, and will try to make arrangements to take a second spoonful in the afternoon.
This is great, thank you for sharing.
Border Collie
And having a typical day or IT work and meetings, not taking any energy kick, and not feeling sleepy/tired is distinctly noticeable.
And the only difference was the amount of DE I was taking. I'll continue to take a heaping spoon, and will try to make arrangements to take a second spoonful in the afternoon.
This is great, thank you for sharing.
Border Collie
greysage
On The Level
I've been taking approximately a tablespoon a day of DE for a month. Started small the first few days but no bad effects so went to what I guess is about a tablespoon from a small scoop.
It either goes in my home made oatmeal or smoothie. On a few occasions I've added it to a bowl of soup. Don't notice or taste it in any method I've tried.
The only 2 things I've noticed is I have full, easy, smooth, large BM's; and they stink big time. Mind you I was pretty cleaned out when I started taking it after returning from overseas and a serious case of travelers diarrhea and parasites.
Other than that it seems as though it keeps me from putting on much weight. I've binged eaten a few times and should be fatter after them but I'm not. Going to try and up it to couple or 3 tablespoons and see if it results in weight loss.
It either goes in my home made oatmeal or smoothie. On a few occasions I've added it to a bowl of soup. Don't notice or taste it in any method I've tried.
The only 2 things I've noticed is I have full, easy, smooth, large BM's; and they stink big time. Mind you I was pretty cleaned out when I started taking it after returning from overseas and a serious case of travelers diarrhea and parasites.
Other than that it seems as though it keeps me from putting on much weight. I've binged eaten a few times and should be fatter after them but I'm not. Going to try and up it to couple or 3 tablespoons and see if it results in weight loss.
Michiana MaJo
Deceased
Skin tags.....there are a few catalogs I regularly get (they sell items for seniors) that sell a bottle of a liquid that can be used to remove a skin tag. I haven't use anything like this, but would recommend this, over using something that could be messy or hurtful.
China Connection....I have to commend you.....I have to wonder where on earth you get all the health information you share with us.....you are amazing, and I appreciate your spending the time to inform us of these interesting facts.
While I'm at it, Summerthyme is really helpful with sharing things she's learned, too. (I can't mention everyone, but this forum is the greatest....it's a real education on just about anything we want to know....and even what we didn't think we wanted to know, but really do!
China Connection....I have to commend you.....I have to wonder where on earth you get all the health information you share with us.....you are amazing, and I appreciate your spending the time to inform us of these interesting facts.
While I'm at it, Summerthyme is really helpful with sharing things she's learned, too. (I can't mention everyone, but this forum is the greatest....it's a real education on just about anything we want to know....and even what we didn't think we wanted to know, but really do!
Border Collie
Inactive
So I measured the DE I've been taking, FWIW.
For past year or so have been taking 1/2 teaspoon each morning and that's gotten rid of eye floaters and kept them away. I stopped taking DE back a few months and the floaters began re-appearing, gradually, so I've stayed with DE each day.
Yesterday I took 2 teaspoons (a heaping kitchen teaspoon) and I didn't need any energy drink and capsule that I always do every day to avoid falling asleep.
Hopefully this will continue to work. I''m going to begin today to take 2 teaspoons at breakfast and again at lunch each day. I'll report back in several weeks when my experiment is done and I have more experience with alertness to report. Maybe even weight loss - let's hope.
The liquid nitrogen wart removal tool from the store wasn't bad, and it killed the skin tags fine with little pain at freezing.
Border Collie
For past year or so have been taking 1/2 teaspoon each morning and that's gotten rid of eye floaters and kept them away. I stopped taking DE back a few months and the floaters began re-appearing, gradually, so I've stayed with DE each day.
Yesterday I took 2 teaspoons (a heaping kitchen teaspoon) and I didn't need any energy drink and capsule that I always do every day to avoid falling asleep.
Hopefully this will continue to work. I''m going to begin today to take 2 teaspoons at breakfast and again at lunch each day. I'll report back in several weeks when my experiment is done and I have more experience with alertness to report. Maybe even weight loss - let's hope.
The liquid nitrogen wart removal tool from the store wasn't bad, and it killed the skin tags fine with little pain at freezing.
Border Collie
LeafyForest
Veteran Member
Havent been on it DE for almost a year, and was glad to see this thread again, and started taking it again yesterday, and also have hubby on half a tsp a day as his father had
alzheimers and I don't want him to get it, but after reading today think I will start us both on a whole tsp a day. Also started our Pug back on it yesterday, and also
put some in her bed and spread it around and she didn't seem to notice so am hoping it will help her also as she is getting up in age. Only question I have is that I am using
the DE I was taking a year ago - think it is ok, but would like to ask if anyone thinks I should get a newer supply?
alzheimers and I don't want him to get it, but after reading today think I will start us both on a whole tsp a day. Also started our Pug back on it yesterday, and also
put some in her bed and spread it around and she didn't seem to notice so am hoping it will help her also as she is getting up in age. Only question I have is that I am using
the DE I was taking a year ago - think it is ok, but would like to ask if anyone thinks I should get a newer supply?
brokenwings
Veteran Member
Thanks again China Connection for your health advice! I just ordered my dear hubby the Boron you recommended!! I already used that brand of Vit. D3 so I ordered some more from them too as it's so much cheaper than the health food store I buy it from! You are worth your weight in Gold CC!!!! I'll update after he's taken it awhile to let everyone know if it works for him.
Now Foods, Boron, 3 mg, 250 Capsules
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Boron-3-mg-250-Capsules/428
Great price! Can't Beat it! All the stuff I've read suggests this is great for preventing and even treating osteo and rhuymatoid arthritis.
Posted by 5334723888520109150 on May 28, 2015
After reading 2 double blind placebo controlled trials for using Boron on people with osteo arthritis I'm sold on this as a health supplement. Science suggests places with an average boron intake (naturally from the food) have very little arthritis. The studies also mentioned that the synovial fluid in arthritic patients had low boron and also that people with higher boron intake had stronger bones. From what I've read on the Australian guy who used boron to treat both osteo and rhemetoid arthritis he found 9mg for 1-3months was usually good to sort out pain and symptoms. Then he recommended 3mg a day just as a maintenance dose. The two clinical trials I read used 6mg. I think these are likely safe amounts considering the studies quotes around less than 1mg to over 40mg per day as average intake for boron in different parts of the world.
I waited 2 months before reviewing boron to see if it worked. My problem was at night my legs or one of my legs, probably the right leg, would keep moving in my sleep and in that movement the big toe of my right foot would scratch and cause bleeding to the outside of my left ankle. After 2 months of taking 2 capsules of Boron with 1capsule of magnesium/calcium it has stopped. It stopped about 3 weeks ago and I have not had one scratch or any bleeding since, all that is left is a few scars; I have even let the nail on the big toe of my right foot grow as another test and no scratching or damage has appeared. My wife also tells me she has not heard my feet sliding back and forth any more. I am going to continue to take Boron with magnesium to ensure the leg movement does not come back and to get some of the other health benefits.
I have now been taking three 3mg capsules of Now Foods boron daily for approximately 4 years. I had extremely severe rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and after taking the boron for 3 months the RA had disappeared completly, and has never returned. It is my understanding that boron only works for curing RA if it is manufactured from Calcium Borogluconate and Now Foods appears to be the only company manufacturing boron this way.