WAR North Korea Main Thread - All things Korea April 27th - May 4th
Zahra
Veteran Member
North Korea ballistic missile test fails, NBC News confirms
•North Korea fired a ballistic missile early Saturday, but a U.S. official confirmed to NBC News that the test failed.
*U.S. Pacific Command said the missile did not leave North Korean territory
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/28/north-korea-test-fires-ballistic-missile-report.html
•North Korea fired a ballistic missile early Saturday, but a U.S. official confirmed to NBC News that the test failed.
*U.S. Pacific Command said the missile did not leave North Korean territory
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/28/north-korea-test-fires-ballistic-missile-report.html
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Unless it went straight up and straight down, a 15 minute flight time would put it WAY out to sea, not just 40km.
onetimer
Veteran Member
Steve HermanVerified account @W7VOA 6m6 minutes ago
Full initial @PacificCommand statement on #DPRK launch. (h/t @jseldin) pic.twitter.com/FaioYpyCxb
almost ready
Inactive
Please forgive me if this has been discussed earlier on another thread or here. I can't read it all.
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N. Korea resumes radio broadcast of encrypted numbers
2017-04-09 10:56
SEOUL, April 9 (Yonhap) -- North Korea on Sunday resumed its radio broadcast of mysterious random numbers, which is believed to be coded orders to its spies outside of the country.
"From now on, we announce tasks of mechanical engineering review for the Unit 21 expedition members of the remote education university," North Korea's state-run Pyongyang Radio said at 12:15 a.m.
"Number 69 on page 602, number 79 on page 133, number 18 on page 216," the broadcast said. A total of 70 sets of such five-digit numbers were read out twice.
Pyongyang Radio last aired a similar broadcast on March 24.
It was the 31st such broadcast since the North resumed the Cold-War era spycraft on June 24 last year amid escalating inter-Korean tensions. It suspended such clandestine broadcasts in 2000.
pbr@yna.co.kr
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This was a few weeks ago, but think that the missiles are countdown to a go signal for those outside the country.... and we just had another.
Here is the link to the Yonhap report.
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2017/04/09/0200000000AEN20170409001000315.html
It loads slowly, but it loads.
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N. Korea resumes radio broadcast of encrypted numbers
2017-04-09 10:56
SEOUL, April 9 (Yonhap) -- North Korea on Sunday resumed its radio broadcast of mysterious random numbers, which is believed to be coded orders to its spies outside of the country.
"From now on, we announce tasks of mechanical engineering review for the Unit 21 expedition members of the remote education university," North Korea's state-run Pyongyang Radio said at 12:15 a.m.
"Number 69 on page 602, number 79 on page 133, number 18 on page 216," the broadcast said. A total of 70 sets of such five-digit numbers were read out twice.
Pyongyang Radio last aired a similar broadcast on March 24.
It was the 31st such broadcast since the North resumed the Cold-War era spycraft on June 24 last year amid escalating inter-Korean tensions. It suspended such clandestine broadcasts in 2000.
pbr@yna.co.kr
(END)
This was a few weeks ago, but think that the missiles are countdown to a go signal for those outside the country.... and we just had another.
Here is the link to the Yonhap report.
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2017/04/09/0200000000AEN20170409001000315.html
It loads slowly, but it loads.
Jez
Veteran Member
This gives me an idea. Why don't we test a long one. Fire it from CONUS and have it land in international waters off the Sea of Japan or some such. Use it as a game of one ups man ship. Your missile can't hardly leave your country, look how far we can hit. the only one problem I could sea is reassuring Russia and China it's just a test and not the real thing. Hell, if you really wanted to show off have it splash down near a carrier group for easy recovery. Of course this is all assuming we have one that could reach that far from CONUS.
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
yep....te he
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
Why are we letting this drag on while he gets all his ducks in a row!
Because we're getting all of our own ducks lined up...
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Because (I believe) Trump actually cares about human life, as opposed to our previous sociopath presidents, and he understands that LOTS of people will die if things go hot.
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
I agree. Have a question we have not addressed regarding NK. He won't fight fair, he will use nukes or chemicals. Why do we not consider chemical use in NK. Yes, I know we agreed blah blah blah but he will kill as many as possible if we play by the rules.
Michiana MaJo
Deceased
I'm thinking the following article would be better on a page of its own, but since this one is for all things Korea, here goes. Interesting story, tho I don't understand the last sentence. There should've been more to it, but wasn't. MMJ
http://americanfreepress.net/u-s-ghost-walkers-in-north-korea/?print=print
U.S. Ghost Walkers in North Korea
Beginning in 1962, secret U.S. military units, referred to as “Ghost Walkers,” operated clandestinely in North Korea. Their missions were so secret, in fact, the U.S. government refuses to acknowledge the experiences in the records of these black-ops veterans. One woman has spent years trying to correct her late husband’s military record to properly honor his service to the U.S.
Exclusive to American Free Press
By Dave Gahary
While tensions flare in the Korean Peninsula, American Free Press has learned of a clandestine joint military and intelligence unit that has been conducting brazen cross-border raids into North Korean territory since at least the early 1960s. The outfit, known as the “Ghost Walkers,” performed top-secret missions on North Korean soil, including infiltrating a nuclear power plant in 1963 and kidnapping a North Korean general straight from his camp, who was later interrogated and executed by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Information on this unit is so classified that the men who served in it have been unable to prove so, as it is not listed on their service records, and they have been denied veteran benefits for over 50 years, including but not limited to treatment for toxic chemical exposure, i.e., herbicides like the defoliant Agent Orange. The main reason the Pentagon refuses to recognize the service and sacrifice of these vets is the fact that, in carrying out their top-secret missions, treaty and other laws were violated, which would create a diplomatic firestorm if revealed.
The joint CIA-Army-Navy-Marines-Air Force unit operated out of South Korea from ASCOM City, near Inchon, and may still be functioning, although its top-secret nature precludes those without a need to know from confirming its existence. ASCOM, or Army Support Command, is a U.S. Army Materiel Support Center that “had its beginnings in the mid-1930s when the Japanese built a large supply depot and arsenal at Bupyong-Dong, Inchon City, to support their troops in Manchuria.” After the Japanese surrender at the end of World War II, Army Support Command Korea was established and acquired the acronym ASCOM.
The wife of Oregon native Joseph Wayne Dunagan, one of the Ghost Walkers, who served in Korea from May 1962 to March 1964, reached out to this reporter with information she feels proves the unit’s existence. She explained how she began her quest over 15 years ago to force the U.S. government to honor its commitment to not just her husband but to all those who served in the unit. Dunagan was trained as a military policeman at Fort Gordon, Ga.
Barbara Ann Wright sat down with AFP for an exclusive 45-minute interview.
“I know that my husband’s eligible for benefits, and I know that what they asked him to do in Korea was exceptionally dangerous,” Mrs. Dunagan said. “It would scare the pants right off of you if you knew some of the stuff that they had those guys do.”
She showed this reporter Dunagan’s Veterans Administration (VA) Form 21-4138, “Statement in Support of Claim,” which describes, in some parts in gory detail, the missions he was a part of, including infiltration of the nuclear power plant, replete with their fake names. Dunagan’s was “Skinny.”
The form read, in part:
In March of 1963, Army Intel asked us to go look at an atomic power plant up near the capital. We boarded a cruiser, Ghost Walkers with our counterparts the ROKs [Republic of Korea soldiers] and SEALs, and sailed west out of some naval port. After sailing all afternoon and at night and changing many directions, we approached the North Korean mainland.
We offloaded into rubber boats not knowing how far inland the atomic power plant was. They stationed us every 100 yards, realizing that it was further inland than they thought. One of the SEALs came back and stationed us every half mile because it was 15 to 17 miles inland. “Injin” and three or four of the SEALs went into the atomic power plant through unlocked doors and took pictures of the control room and part of the working facilities.
They saw nobody even though it was running full steam, noting that the lettering on the instruments [was] Chinese and Russian.
Mrs. Dunagan explained how she learned about her husband’s connection to the ghost unit.
“In 2001, he told me that he had a back injury and that he was getting no compensation for it,” she began, so they filed a claim with the VA.
When they received Dunagan’s service record, they were shocked.
“What came was nothing to do with Joe’s service in Korea,” she said. “All it talked about was what he’d done in the reserves.”
Mrs. Dunagan pressed her husband about his unit, and he told her that all he knew was it was called “HQ HQ Seoul.” A friend told Mrs. Dunagan that, when a soldier wears no shoulder patches and carries no ID or dog tags, they are “Army Intel/CIA.”
“The first time I queried the CIA was 2004,” Mrs. Dunagan said, and she came up empty-handed. The same happened in 2006. Barbara approached her congressional representative in 2009, who was unsuccessful as well.
Her luck changed when she paid a visit to her U.S. senator, Jeffrey A. Merkley’s office, where his new veteran’s representative was a second lieutenant in Korea in 1980.
“She said her CIA contact said to send a FOIA [Freedom of Information Act] request to the CIA,” Mrs. Dunagan said, which she did—despite having had no luck in the past—but with a twist.
“I had sent a separate request for confirmation of his service in the unit; I didn’t ask for confirmation that the unit existed since they never acknowledged that,” she explained.
The FOIA response she received from the CIA, she believes, based on discussions with experienced veteran representatives, is confirmation that the unit existed, specifically because the CIA didn’t dispute her claims.
It read: “In accordance with Section 3.6(a) of Executive Order 13526, the CIA can neither confirm nor deny the existence of records responsive to your request.”
She explained just how clandestine the unit was.
“When those guys went to Korea, and there were 1,800 that left Fort Lewis 4 o’clock in the morning on May 6, 1962 out of McChord Air Force Base [now Joint Base Lewis-McChord, located nine miles from Tacoma, Washington], they left their dog tags, their military IDs, and all that stuff was sent home,” she said.
Dave Gahary, a former submariner in the U.S. Navy, prevailed in a suit brought by the New York Stock Exchange in an attempt to silence him.
http://americanfreepress.net/u-s-ghost-walkers-in-north-korea/?print=print
U.S. Ghost Walkers in North Korea
Beginning in 1962, secret U.S. military units, referred to as “Ghost Walkers,” operated clandestinely in North Korea. Their missions were so secret, in fact, the U.S. government refuses to acknowledge the experiences in the records of these black-ops veterans. One woman has spent years trying to correct her late husband’s military record to properly honor his service to the U.S.
Exclusive to American Free Press
By Dave Gahary
While tensions flare in the Korean Peninsula, American Free Press has learned of a clandestine joint military and intelligence unit that has been conducting brazen cross-border raids into North Korean territory since at least the early 1960s. The outfit, known as the “Ghost Walkers,” performed top-secret missions on North Korean soil, including infiltrating a nuclear power plant in 1963 and kidnapping a North Korean general straight from his camp, who was later interrogated and executed by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Information on this unit is so classified that the men who served in it have been unable to prove so, as it is not listed on their service records, and they have been denied veteran benefits for over 50 years, including but not limited to treatment for toxic chemical exposure, i.e., herbicides like the defoliant Agent Orange. The main reason the Pentagon refuses to recognize the service and sacrifice of these vets is the fact that, in carrying out their top-secret missions, treaty and other laws were violated, which would create a diplomatic firestorm if revealed.
The joint CIA-Army-Navy-Marines-Air Force unit operated out of South Korea from ASCOM City, near Inchon, and may still be functioning, although its top-secret nature precludes those without a need to know from confirming its existence. ASCOM, or Army Support Command, is a U.S. Army Materiel Support Center that “had its beginnings in the mid-1930s when the Japanese built a large supply depot and arsenal at Bupyong-Dong, Inchon City, to support their troops in Manchuria.” After the Japanese surrender at the end of World War II, Army Support Command Korea was established and acquired the acronym ASCOM.
The wife of Oregon native Joseph Wayne Dunagan, one of the Ghost Walkers, who served in Korea from May 1962 to March 1964, reached out to this reporter with information she feels proves the unit’s existence. She explained how she began her quest over 15 years ago to force the U.S. government to honor its commitment to not just her husband but to all those who served in the unit. Dunagan was trained as a military policeman at Fort Gordon, Ga.
Barbara Ann Wright sat down with AFP for an exclusive 45-minute interview.
“I know that my husband’s eligible for benefits, and I know that what they asked him to do in Korea was exceptionally dangerous,” Mrs. Dunagan said. “It would scare the pants right off of you if you knew some of the stuff that they had those guys do.”
She showed this reporter Dunagan’s Veterans Administration (VA) Form 21-4138, “Statement in Support of Claim,” which describes, in some parts in gory detail, the missions he was a part of, including infiltration of the nuclear power plant, replete with their fake names. Dunagan’s was “Skinny.”
The form read, in part:
In March of 1963, Army Intel asked us to go look at an atomic power plant up near the capital. We boarded a cruiser, Ghost Walkers with our counterparts the ROKs [Republic of Korea soldiers] and SEALs, and sailed west out of some naval port. After sailing all afternoon and at night and changing many directions, we approached the North Korean mainland.
We offloaded into rubber boats not knowing how far inland the atomic power plant was. They stationed us every 100 yards, realizing that it was further inland than they thought. One of the SEALs came back and stationed us every half mile because it was 15 to 17 miles inland. “Injin” and three or four of the SEALs went into the atomic power plant through unlocked doors and took pictures of the control room and part of the working facilities.
They saw nobody even though it was running full steam, noting that the lettering on the instruments [was] Chinese and Russian.
Mrs. Dunagan explained how she learned about her husband’s connection to the ghost unit.
“In 2001, he told me that he had a back injury and that he was getting no compensation for it,” she began, so they filed a claim with the VA.
When they received Dunagan’s service record, they were shocked.
“What came was nothing to do with Joe’s service in Korea,” she said. “All it talked about was what he’d done in the reserves.”
Mrs. Dunagan pressed her husband about his unit, and he told her that all he knew was it was called “HQ HQ Seoul.” A friend told Mrs. Dunagan that, when a soldier wears no shoulder patches and carries no ID or dog tags, they are “Army Intel/CIA.”
“The first time I queried the CIA was 2004,” Mrs. Dunagan said, and she came up empty-handed. The same happened in 2006. Barbara approached her congressional representative in 2009, who was unsuccessful as well.
Her luck changed when she paid a visit to her U.S. senator, Jeffrey A. Merkley’s office, where his new veteran’s representative was a second lieutenant in Korea in 1980.
“She said her CIA contact said to send a FOIA [Freedom of Information Act] request to the CIA,” Mrs. Dunagan said, which she did—despite having had no luck in the past—but with a twist.
“I had sent a separate request for confirmation of his service in the unit; I didn’t ask for confirmation that the unit existed since they never acknowledged that,” she explained.
The FOIA response she received from the CIA, she believes, based on discussions with experienced veteran representatives, is confirmation that the unit existed, specifically because the CIA didn’t dispute her claims.
It read: “In accordance with Section 3.6(a) of Executive Order 13526, the CIA can neither confirm nor deny the existence of records responsive to your request.”
She explained just how clandestine the unit was.
“When those guys went to Korea, and there were 1,800 that left Fort Lewis 4 o’clock in the morning on May 6, 1962 out of McChord Air Force Base [now Joint Base Lewis-McChord, located nine miles from Tacoma, Washington], they left their dog tags, their military IDs, and all that stuff was sent home,” she said.
Dave Gahary, a former submariner in the U.S. Navy, prevailed in a suit brought by the New York Stock Exchange in an attempt to silence him.
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Chemical weapons are really just a temporary area denial weapons when used against appropriately equipped militaries: they suit-up and go around, or leave, the area. The only time you're gonna see large numbers of casualties is when CW's are employed against civilian populations (who can't suit-up and/or shelter).
CW is kind of a "niche" weapon unless you're using it in units of tons in place of a nuke. If you have a pin pointed target, there's no percentage in messing around when good old high explosives will reliably do the job.
Why do we not consider chemical use in NK. Yes, I know we agreed blah blah blah but he will kill as many as possible if we play by the rules.
Nixon outlawed the production chemical weapons in the late 60s, and ever since then, we've been getting rid of what we have. At present, there wouldn't be any deliverable CW in the US inventory, just the last remnants of the stockpile awaiting disposal. All probably quite unstable by this point. No delivery systems would be checked out for them. Nobody would be trained in doing anything with them save for getting the things into incinerators. If you're going to cross the WMD threshold, which wasn't even done in Korea I, I'm sure the military would vastly prefer to uncork some B61s.
Nixon outlawed the production chemical weapons in the late 60s, and ever since then, we've been getting rid of what we have. At present, there wouldn't be any deliverable CW in the US inventory, just the last remnants of the stockpile awaiting disposal. All probably quite unstable by this point. No delivery systems would be checked out for them. Nobody would be trained in doing anything with them save for getting the things into incinerators. If you're going to cross the WMD threshold, which wasn't even done in Korea I, I'm sure the military would vastly prefer to uncork some B61s.
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
Thanks for the answers. I predict the well nourished little gentleman will use it against us.
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
We will never use them. They will be used on us. We are gentlemanly folk.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Chemical weapons are local area only weapons. They are pretty much useless against military people equipped with gas masks and ponchos. It was Reagan who said even though the USA didn't have, or use chemical weapons, "Nobody throws away their gas masks." The USA does not currently have any admitted stockpiles of chemical weapons, since the last of them were destroyed at the Umatilla Depot a few years back. Chemical weapons are potentially highly lethal to civilian populations that are not equipped with gas masks. Chemical weapons, like Mustard Gas, Phosgene and other blistering agents are terror weapons.
Biological weapons are also highly lethal and very effective against civilian populations not equipped with gas masks etc.
IF Kim Jong used either chemical or biological weapons, he would use them against civilian targets, possibly in CONUS. They would be effective against unprepared civilian populations in either South Korea or Japan, BUT THEY WOULD BE USELESS AGAINST ACTIVE DUTY SOLDIERS.
I was "gassed" with tear gas as part of my basic training. The blunt truth about either chemical or biological weapons dispersed by air, or by artillery is they are subject to local wind and weather conditions. Two people can be standing fifty feet apart and only one of them will be exposed, while the other will not. Like I said, in terms of military use they are problematic at best. If you are trying to neutralize a military unit, you simply can't rely on them to kill everybody, or even to impact everybody, especially if they maintain a full defensive posture.
I seriously doubt any South Korean or US military unit would be seriously impacted by any North Korean chemical or biological attack. I am sure they would go into full defensive mode at the outbreak of war. After all, unless things have changed, my unit had regular "don your gas mask drills, up to and including field drills that had tear gas cannisters being thrown at you by gleefull NCO's smirking at you.
Biological weapons are also highly lethal and very effective against civilian populations not equipped with gas masks etc.
IF Kim Jong used either chemical or biological weapons, he would use them against civilian targets, possibly in CONUS. They would be effective against unprepared civilian populations in either South Korea or Japan, BUT THEY WOULD BE USELESS AGAINST ACTIVE DUTY SOLDIERS.
I was "gassed" with tear gas as part of my basic training. The blunt truth about either chemical or biological weapons dispersed by air, or by artillery is they are subject to local wind and weather conditions. Two people can be standing fifty feet apart and only one of them will be exposed, while the other will not. Like I said, in terms of military use they are problematic at best. If you are trying to neutralize a military unit, you simply can't rely on them to kill everybody, or even to impact everybody, especially if they maintain a full defensive posture.
I seriously doubt any South Korean or US military unit would be seriously impacted by any North Korean chemical or biological attack. I am sure they would go into full defensive mode at the outbreak of war. After all, unless things have changed, my unit had regular "don your gas mask drills, up to and including field drills that had tear gas cannisters being thrown at you by gleefull NCO's smirking at you.
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
Trump will need congressional approval to hit the Korean gentleman, is that what they were all summoned?
Ordinary Girl
Veteran Member
I hope the President doesn't "Obama out" on the red line he drew. I know he never used the words red line but the implication was there.
I really wonder what he is going to do.
I really wonder what he is going to do.
Jez
Veteran Member
That's one of the big problems with treats and "red lines" you eventually have to act on them or lose all credibility.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
Is it me or is that headline wrong? It really got my attention at first until I read the article. I think they meant to say 'to stop NK Nuclear Provocations' or 'to stop NK nuclearization'. Right????
Thank you. Sloppy journalism right now is so not helpful.
I see what you did there! very clever and turns out, prescient as well....The way the headline was worded, and why I did a double take, it said China and Russia wants to see an end to denuclearizing NK, which would mean they were going to allow NK to have nukes. Which would be a monumental annoucement, but of course the text of the article said the opposite. As for your question, they want to see both sides stopping their provocations - NK to denuclearize and the US/SK to stop their drills.
nadhob
Veteran Member
No doubt in my mind that this one fact alone weighs heavily on his what to do next thought process. Very easy to say go, but doing that will mean maybe a quarter million lives are gone. As usual in war, most would be innocent civilians. I'm hoping for the sake of humanity, he, Trump with the help of the Chinaman, have a plan to get a Seal team in close to do the deed, then let the Chinese put their guy in place and make him behave. Best solution for all, including the people in the North.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
(Why are there two threads about this at the same time? It makes it confusing. I vote that we keep to one thread on NK per week and post all news there and just update the thread title instead of starting new threads when breaking news comes out.)
This is what I just posted on the other thread:
Whenever I read about these tests that blow up over the ocean over NK waters, I always assume they tested exactly what they wanted to test, and that they purposefully destroyed what remained of the rocket so that no one could fish it out of the sea and see what they were testing and how far they've come. I never assume the rocket failed. To assume incompetence on their part is extremely dangerous and can let your guard down when you need it up, especially now.
So, no. If you ask me, this was not a "failed launch" - no matter what CNN wants you to believe.
HD
This is what I just posted on the other thread:
Whenever I read about these tests that blow up over the ocean over NK waters, I always assume they tested exactly what they wanted to test, and that they purposefully destroyed what remained of the rocket so that no one could fish it out of the sea and see what they were testing and how far they've come. I never assume the rocket failed. To assume incompetence on their part is extremely dangerous and can let your guard down when you need it up, especially now.
So, no. If you ask me, this was not a "failed launch" - no matter what CNN wants you to believe.
HD
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Yep. If we survive history, I expect that we'll read of a clueless media whistling past ALL the graveyards...
northern watch
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The Intel Crab Retweeted
Robert Morton @Robert4787 · 32m32 minutes ago
USS Ronald Reagan #aircraftcarrier finishes maintenance, could join Carl Vinson at Korean Peninsula
Robert Morton @Robert4787 · 32m32 minutes ago
USS Ronald Reagan #aircraftcarrier finishes maintenance, could join Carl Vinson at Korean Peninsula
northern watch
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gandalf greybeard Retweeted
Jack Posobiec Verified account @JackPosobiec · Apr 26
Multiple sources: Senior DoD officials laid out the rationale for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea to all 100 Senators today at the WH
Jack Posobiec Verified account @JackPosobiec · Apr 26
Multiple sources: Senior DoD officials laid out the rationale for a pre-emptive strike on North Korea to all 100 Senators today at the WH
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Searcher, if the Sheeple weren't the Sheeple, I would feel sorry for them. The reason I do not is they have done absolutely nothing to prepare, sneer at those who do, and will play the victim card when TSHTF. Like John Wayne said in the "Shootist" movie in the opening scene when he was being ambushed by the bandit, "Life is hard, and it is worse if you are stupid."
The blood of the Sheeple is on them. They make NO attempt to find out what is really happening. They make no attempt to prepare and they will blame prepers when things go south. Yep, whenever disaster strikes, like New York City with Hurricane Sandy, the people of Manhattan were eating out of dipsty dumpsters within the first 24 hours. They could have bought some crackers and peanut butter, some bottled water etc etc but they did NOTHING TO PREPARE and then whined about the government not helping them.
The blood of the Sheeple is on them. They make NO attempt to find out what is really happening. They make no attempt to prepare and they will blame prepers when things go south. Yep, whenever disaster strikes, like New York City with Hurricane Sandy, the people of Manhattan were eating out of dipsty dumpsters within the first 24 hours. They could have bought some crackers and peanut butter, some bottled water etc etc but they did NOTHING TO PREPARE and then whined about the government not helping them.
Heliobas Disciple
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Agree. It's sinful if you ask me. So many people still rely on them and think they are actually getting real news from them. I hope history eviscerates them as warranted.
HD
northern watch
TB Fanatic
Foster Klug Retweeted
John Park @DrJohnSPark · Apr 27
John Park Retweeted Bloomberg Politics
"About 12 percent of Apple Inc.’s suppliers are from South Korea"
If you are thinking about getting an Apple, get one quick
NW
John Park @DrJohnSPark · Apr 27
John Park Retweeted Bloomberg Politics
"About 12 percent of Apple Inc.’s suppliers are from South Korea"
If you are thinking about getting an Apple, get one quick
NW
Illini Warrior
Illini Warrior
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Well,it is conceivable that Trump handled the first step in the War Powers act notification process, leaving himself 90 days to complete or ask for more authorizations.
northern watch
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The Latest: Tokyo subway temporarily closed over North Korea
By The Associated Press
SEOUL, South Korea April 29, 2017, 12:01 AM ET
The Latest on North Korea test-firing a missile Saturday (all times local):
1:05 p.m.
One of Tokyo's major subways systems says it shut down all lines for 10 minutes early Saturday after receiving warning of a North Korean missile launch.
Tokyo Metro official Hiroshi Takizawa says the temporary suspension affected 13,000 passengers.
Service was halted on all nine lines at 6:07 a.m. It resumed at 6:17 a.m. after it was clear there was no threat to Japan.
Takizawa says it was the first time service had been stopped in response to a missile launch. Train service is generally suspended in Japan immediately after large earthquakes. Tokyo Metro decided earlier this month to stop for missile launch warnings as well.
11:35 a.m.
North Korea's state media has reiterated the country's goal of developing a nuclear missile capable of reaching the continental United States on the same day rivals Washington and Seoul detected a failed missile launch from an area near Pyongyang.
The Rodong Sinmun newspaper also said Saturday that the North revealed two types of new intercontinental ballistic missiles in an April 15 military parade honoring its late state founder, Kim Il Sung, the grandfather of current ruler Kim Jong Un. The parade featured previously unseen large rocket canisters and launcher trucks.
It said: "The large territory that is the United States has been entirely exposed to our pre-emptive nuclear strike means."
Referring to the United States sending the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier to Korean waters, the newspaper said that "rendering aircraft carriers useless is not even a problem" for its military.
The newspaper says that the North displayed three types of ICBMs during the parade, including two new types that were inside the canisters.
Analysts say the North's existing liquid-fuel ICBMS, including the KN-08 and KN-14, are potentially capable of reaching the U.S. mainland, although the North has never flight tested them.
10 a.m.
Japan's government spokesman says the missile launched by North Korea is believed to have traveled about 50 kilometers (30 miles) and fallen on an inland part of the country.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga (yoh-shee-hee-deh soo-gah) said the ballistic missile was fired to the northeast around 5:30 a.m. from an area in the vicinity of Pukchang, north of Pyongyang, the capital.
He spoke at a news conference following a meeting of Japan's National Security Council.
9:45 a.m.
France's U.N. ambassador says the U.N. Security Council is "mobilized" and unanimous on the need to denuclearize North Korea.
Francois Delattre said at the United Nations after North Korea's apparently failed missile launch Saturday that while there were "nuances" on policy to be worked out among council members, there is unanimity on the need for North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons.
North Korea fired the missile hours after the Security Council held a ministerial meeting on Pyongyang's escalating weapons program. North Korean officials boycotted the meeting, which was chaired by U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
Delattre says the council must be "very firm" implementing sanctions, adopting new ones if necessary and denouncing North Korea's human rights record.
8:50 a.m.
South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff says a North Korean missile flew for several minutes and reached a maximum height of 71 kilometers (44 miles) before it apparently failed Saturday.
The joint chiefs said in a statement on Saturday that the missile was fired 49 degrees northeast from an area near Pukchang, just north of the capital Pyongyang. It didn't immediately provide an estimate on how far the missile flew.
South Korea says it's still analyzing what type of missile the North fired.
A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters, said the missile was likely a medium-range KN-17 ballistic missile and that it broke up a couple of minutes after launch.
8:38 a.m.
President Donald Trump says North Korea "disrespected" China with its most recent ballistic missile test.
South Korea's military said in a statement Friday afternoon that North Korea had fired the missile from an area near the capital of Pyongyang, but provided no other details.
U.S. and South Korean officials say the launch apparently failed.
Trump did not answer reporters' questions about the missile launch upon returning to the White House from a daytrip to Atlanta.
But he commented on Twitter, saying, "North Korea disrespected the wishes of China & its highly respected President when it launched, though unsuccessfully, a missile today. Bad!"
8:30 a.m.
Japan has protested the latest missile launch by North Korea.
Japanese government spokesman Yoshihide Suga (yoh-shee-hee-deh soo-gah) said Saturday that a ballistic missile firing would be "a clear violation of U.N. security council resolutions."
He added that Japan "cannot accept repeated provocation by North Korea" and had "lodged a strong protest against North Korea."
Japan has become increasingly concerned in recent weeks about the possibility of a North Korean missile attack targeting Japan or U.S. forces stationed in Japan.
8:15 a.m.
Japan's public broadcaster NHK has aired footage of a U.S. aircraft carrier sailing off the coast of Nagasaki prefecture in southern Japan.
The USS Carl Vinson is heading north toward the Korean peninsula in a show of force after satellite images suggested North Korea may be preparing to conduct a nuclear test.
NHK said it shot the footage Saturday morning from a helicopter.
Nagasaki is in Kyushu, the southernmost of Japan's four main islands.
The Vinson conducted joint training Friday with two Japanese destroyers and two Japanese F-15 fighter jets in waters further south off the Japanese island of Okinawa.
7:35 a.m.
The White House says President Donald Trump has been briefed on North Korea's most recent ballistic missile test.
South Korea's military said in a statement Friday afternoon that North Korea had fired the missile from an area around the capital of Pyongyang, but provided no other details. U.S. and South Korean officials say the launch apparently failed.
Trump returned to the White House from a trip to Atlanta shortly after the news broke. He did not answer reporters' questions about the missile launch.
Trump has threatened military action if North Korea continues its pursuit of a nuclear weapons program. He has also said he would prefer to resolve the issue through diplomacy.
7:12 a.m.
A U.S. official says North Korea has tested what was likely a medium-range ballistic missile.
The official says the missile broke up a couple minutes after the launch and the pieces fell into the Sea of Japan.
The official was citing an American assessment and says it appeared to be a medium-range KN-17 ballistic missile.
The official wasn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter and demanded anonymity.
Lolita C. Baldor in Washington
6:23 a.m.
South Korea's foreign minister is warning that if the international community doesn't respond to North Korea's repeated provocations now, "we will only further feed the appetite of the trigger-happy regime in Pyongyang."
Yun Byung-se told a ministerial meeting of the U.N. Security Council on Friday that it should take additional punitive measures before North Korea launches more ballistic missiles or conducts a new nuclear test not afterward.
He proposed "potent measures" including halting the export and supply of crude oil to North Korea, completely cutting off its hard currency earnings by suspending all coal imports from the country, downgrading diplomatic relations, "and seriously considering whether North Korea, a serial offender, is qualified as a member of the U.N."
Yun said South Korea's goal "is not to bring North Korea to its knees but to bring it back to the negotiating table for genuine
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By The Associated Press
SEOUL, South Korea April 29, 2017, 12:01 AM ET
The Latest on North Korea test-firing a missile Saturday (all times local):
1:05 p.m.
One of Tokyo's major subways systems says it shut down all lines for 10 minutes early Saturday after receiving warning of a North Korean missile launch.
Tokyo Metro official Hiroshi Takizawa says the temporary suspension affected 13,000 passengers.
Service was halted on all nine lines at 6:07 a.m. It resumed at 6:17 a.m. after it was clear there was no threat to Japan.
Takizawa says it was the first time service had been stopped in response to a missile launch. Train service is generally suspended in Japan immediately after large earthquakes. Tokyo Metro decided earlier this month to stop for missile launch warnings as well.
11:35 a.m.
North Korea's state media has reiterated the country's goal of developing a nuclear missile capable of reaching the continental United States on the same day rivals Washington and Seoul detected a failed missile launch from an area near Pyongyang.
The Rodong Sinmun newspaper also said Saturday that the North revealed two types of new intercontinental ballistic missiles in an April 15 military parade honoring its late state founder, Kim Il Sung, the grandfather of current ruler Kim Jong Un. The parade featured previously unseen large rocket canisters and launcher trucks.
It said: "The large territory that is the United States has been entirely exposed to our pre-emptive nuclear strike means."
Referring to the United States sending the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier to Korean waters, the newspaper said that "rendering aircraft carriers useless is not even a problem" for its military.
The newspaper says that the North displayed three types of ICBMs during the parade, including two new types that were inside the canisters.
Analysts say the North's existing liquid-fuel ICBMS, including the KN-08 and KN-14, are potentially capable of reaching the U.S. mainland, although the North has never flight tested them.
10 a.m.
Japan's government spokesman says the missile launched by North Korea is believed to have traveled about 50 kilometers (30 miles) and fallen on an inland part of the country.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga (yoh-shee-hee-deh soo-gah) said the ballistic missile was fired to the northeast around 5:30 a.m. from an area in the vicinity of Pukchang, north of Pyongyang, the capital.
He spoke at a news conference following a meeting of Japan's National Security Council.
9:45 a.m.
France's U.N. ambassador says the U.N. Security Council is "mobilized" and unanimous on the need to denuclearize North Korea.
Francois Delattre said at the United Nations after North Korea's apparently failed missile launch Saturday that while there were "nuances" on policy to be worked out among council members, there is unanimity on the need for North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons.
North Korea fired the missile hours after the Security Council held a ministerial meeting on Pyongyang's escalating weapons program. North Korean officials boycotted the meeting, which was chaired by U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
Delattre says the council must be "very firm" implementing sanctions, adopting new ones if necessary and denouncing North Korea's human rights record.
8:50 a.m.
South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff says a North Korean missile flew for several minutes and reached a maximum height of 71 kilometers (44 miles) before it apparently failed Saturday.
The joint chiefs said in a statement on Saturday that the missile was fired 49 degrees northeast from an area near Pukchang, just north of the capital Pyongyang. It didn't immediately provide an estimate on how far the missile flew.
South Korea says it's still analyzing what type of missile the North fired.
A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters, said the missile was likely a medium-range KN-17 ballistic missile and that it broke up a couple of minutes after launch.
8:38 a.m.
President Donald Trump says North Korea "disrespected" China with its most recent ballistic missile test.
South Korea's military said in a statement Friday afternoon that North Korea had fired the missile from an area near the capital of Pyongyang, but provided no other details.
U.S. and South Korean officials say the launch apparently failed.
Trump did not answer reporters' questions about the missile launch upon returning to the White House from a daytrip to Atlanta.
But he commented on Twitter, saying, "North Korea disrespected the wishes of China & its highly respected President when it launched, though unsuccessfully, a missile today. Bad!"
8:30 a.m.
Japan has protested the latest missile launch by North Korea.
Japanese government spokesman Yoshihide Suga (yoh-shee-hee-deh soo-gah) said Saturday that a ballistic missile firing would be "a clear violation of U.N. security council resolutions."
He added that Japan "cannot accept repeated provocation by North Korea" and had "lodged a strong protest against North Korea."
Japan has become increasingly concerned in recent weeks about the possibility of a North Korean missile attack targeting Japan or U.S. forces stationed in Japan.
8:15 a.m.
Japan's public broadcaster NHK has aired footage of a U.S. aircraft carrier sailing off the coast of Nagasaki prefecture in southern Japan.
The USS Carl Vinson is heading north toward the Korean peninsula in a show of force after satellite images suggested North Korea may be preparing to conduct a nuclear test.
NHK said it shot the footage Saturday morning from a helicopter.
Nagasaki is in Kyushu, the southernmost of Japan's four main islands.
The Vinson conducted joint training Friday with two Japanese destroyers and two Japanese F-15 fighter jets in waters further south off the Japanese island of Okinawa.
7:35 a.m.
The White House says President Donald Trump has been briefed on North Korea's most recent ballistic missile test.
South Korea's military said in a statement Friday afternoon that North Korea had fired the missile from an area around the capital of Pyongyang, but provided no other details. U.S. and South Korean officials say the launch apparently failed.
Trump returned to the White House from a trip to Atlanta shortly after the news broke. He did not answer reporters' questions about the missile launch.
Trump has threatened military action if North Korea continues its pursuit of a nuclear weapons program. He has also said he would prefer to resolve the issue through diplomacy.
7:12 a.m.
A U.S. official says North Korea has tested what was likely a medium-range ballistic missile.
The official says the missile broke up a couple minutes after the launch and the pieces fell into the Sea of Japan.
The official was citing an American assessment and says it appeared to be a medium-range KN-17 ballistic missile.
The official wasn't authorized to speak publicly on the matter and demanded anonymity.
Lolita C. Baldor in Washington
6:23 a.m.
South Korea's foreign minister is warning that if the international community doesn't respond to North Korea's repeated provocations now, "we will only further feed the appetite of the trigger-happy regime in Pyongyang."
Yun Byung-se told a ministerial meeting of the U.N. Security Council on Friday that it should take additional punitive measures before North Korea launches more ballistic missiles or conducts a new nuclear test not afterward.
He proposed "potent measures" including halting the export and supply of crude oil to North Korea, completely cutting off its hard currency earnings by suspending all coal imports from the country, downgrading diplomatic relations, "and seriously considering whether North Korea, a serial offender, is qualified as a member of the U.N."
Yun said South Korea's goal "is not to bring North Korea to its knees but to bring it back to the negotiating table for genuine
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