WAR North Korea Main Thread - All things Korea April 27th - May 4th

First Quarter GDP in the U.S. just came in at .7 per cent, lower than expected. A consumer spending collapse was the main reason.

So the main engine for economic growth in the world can not get traction.

The likelihood of war increases.
 

minkykat

Komplainy Kat
Still very surprising that the elected critters haven't tried to toss Trump under the bus on NK. Even McCain has kept his yap shut.
 

hiwall

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The biggest possibility is nothing comes from all this bluster. More sanctions and the can gets kicked farther down the road.
Obviously there is the chance of open fighting but I believe that chance is small. There is just too much to lose and little to gain by anyone with open conflict.
Does Dear Leader of NK want open fighting? No. He would lose everything and gain nothing.
Does Trump want open fighting? No. Many thousands would die under his watch. It could very likely be the death of his Presidency.
More bluster from all parties involved but everyone will be careful not to step over the edge.
 
The biggest possibility is nothing comes from all this bluster. More sanctions and the can gets kicked farther down the road.
Obviously there is the chance of open fighting but I believe that chance is small. There is just too much to lose and little to gain by anyone with open conflict.
Does Dear Leader of NK want open fighting? No. He would lose everything and gain nothing.
Does Trump want open fighting? No. Many thousands would die under his watch. It could very likely be the death of his Presidency.
More bluster from all parties involved but everyone will be careful not to step over the edge.

Remember World War I?

And if the global economic system is on the verge of a deflationary black hole or conversely Central Banks printing to infinity, how much do they all have to lose?
 

evenso

Veteran Member
The biggest possibility is nothing comes from all this bluster. More sanctions and the can gets kicked farther down the road.
Obviously there is the chance of open fighting but I believe that chance is small. There is just too much to lose and little to gain by anyone with open conflict.
Does Dear Leader of NK want open fighting? No. He would lose everything and gain nothing.
Does Trump want open fighting? No. Many thousands would die under his watch. It could very likely be the death of his Presidency.
More bluster from all parties involved but everyone will be careful not to step over the edge.

Exactly what I was thinking as I read this thread. Queue Sonny & Cher..."and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on..."
 

minkykat

Komplainy Kat
I am glad that you were listening.
Comms will be an early sign.
SS

It's quite interesting really. It's rather like I've read about the early days of radio when people would fiddle with their crystal sets seeing what they could pick up.
It's still astounding to me that I can do this with my tablet!
 

Lilbitsnana

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follow up to post #35 (link below) Yonhap article that said he would ask for diplomatic suspension with NK

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...orea-April-27th-May-4th&p=6446449#post6446449

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U.S. could raise need for closing N.K. diplomatic missions during U.N. Security Council meeting


2017/04/28 04:27


WASHINGTON, April 27 (Yonhap) -- The United States plans to raise the need for diplomatic isolation of North Korea, including shutting down diplomatic missions around the world, when it hosts a special U.N. Security Council meeting later this week, an official said.
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and the updated info showing he did ask based on PI's post #42

It doesn't say how they reacted though. I would be interested in knowing.

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Fri Apr 28, 2017 | 11:31am EDT

Secretary of State Tillerson urges U.N. to act 'before North Korea does'


U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Friday the threat of an attack by Pyongyang against Japan and South Korea is real and urged the U.N. Security Council to act "before North Korea does."

In remarks to the U.N. Security Council, Tillerson called on the international community to fully implement U.N. sanctions and to suspend or downgrade diplomatic relations with Pyongyang.

"With each successive detonation and missile test North Korea pushes northeast Asia and the world closer to instability and broader conflict," Tillerson told the 15-member council. "The threat of a North Korean attack on Seoul or Tokyo is real."

(Reporting by Lesley Wroughton; Editing by Frances Kerry)
 

Lilbitsnana

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I am glad that you were listening.
Comms will be an early sign.
SS

I saw someone ask about that on twitter the other day.



lil matt‏ @matt_nett

@TheWarMonitor I would assume military radio chatter would be very very high prior to a strike on north korea... right? Any indication?
12:01 AM - 27 Apr 2017


WarMonitor‏ @TheWarMonitor Apr 27

Replying to @matt_nett

Hard to say. It was pretty dead just before the Syria strike, at least as far as EAMs go.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
First Quarter GDP in the U.S. just came in at .7 per cent, lower than expected. A consumer spending collapse was the main reason.

So the main engine for economic growth in the world can not get traction.

The likelihood of war increases.

The same quarter that the Fed raised rates -- almost as though they're trying to initiate melt down isn't it? (Sarc)
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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I saw someone ask about that on twitter the other day.



lil matt‏ @matt_nett

@TheWarMonitor I would assume military radio chatter would be very very high prior to a strike on north korea... right? Any indication?
12:01 AM - 27 Apr 2017


WarMonitor‏ @TheWarMonitor Apr 27

Replying to @matt_nett

Hard to say. It was pretty dead just before the Syria strike, at least as far as EAMs go.

I would hazard a guess that when things are close to going hot, radio chatter that we mortals can receive will drop off as the military switches to secure comms such as encrypted digital satellite transmissions. Those radio fanatics sad enough to have high-end spectrum analyzers may notice an upswing in high-power signals.
 

DHR43

Since 2001
Not an easy read. Factual, though. That's what makes it not an easy read.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/67216.html#more-67216

Endless Atrocities: The US Role in Creating the North Korean Fortress-State

Posted on April 25, 2017 by Robert Barsocchini


Paul Atwood, a Senior Lecturer in American Studies at the University of Massachusetts Boston, provides a concise summary of the history that informs North Korea’s “relations with the United States” and “drives its determination never to submit to any American diktat”.

Excerpts from Atwood’s summary are here used as a framework, with other sources where indicated.

"Atwood notes it is an American “myth” that the “North Korean Army suddenly attacked without warning, overwhelming surprised ROK defenders.” In fact, the North/South border “had been progressively militarized and there had been numerous cross border incursions by both sides going back to 1949.”

Part of what made the US’s ultimate destruction of Korea (which involved essentially a colossal version of one of the cross-border incursions) “inevitable” was the goal of US planners to access or control “global… resources, markets and cheaper labor power”.

In its full invasion of the North, the US acted under the banner of the United Nations. However, the UN at that time was “largely under the control of the United States”, and as Professor Carl Boggs (PhD political science, UC Berkeley) puts it, essentially was the United States. (28) While it is still today the world’s most powerful military empire, the US was then at the peak of its global dominance – the most concentrated power-center in world history. Almost all allies and enemies had been destroyed in World War II while the US experienced just over 400,000 overall war-related deaths after declarations and/or acts of war by Japan and Germany, whereas Russia, for example, lost tens of millions fending off the Nazi invasion. Boggs further notes that as the UN gradually democratized, US capacity to dictate UN policy waned, with the US soon becoming the world leader in UN vetoes. (154)


In South Korea, “tens of thousands” of “guerrillas who had originated in peoples’ committees” in the South “fought the Americans and the ROK” (Republic of Korea), the Southern dictatorship set up by the US. Before hot war broke out, the ROK military “over mere weeks” summarily executed some 100,000 to 1 million (74) (S. Brian Wilson puts the figure at 800,000) guerillas and peasant civilians, many of whom the dictatorship lured into camps with the promise of food. This was done with US knowledge and sometimes under direct US supervision, according to historian Kim Dong-choon and others (see Wilson above for more sources). The orders for the executions “undoubtedly came from the top”, which was dictator Syngman Rhee, the “US-installed” puppet, and the US itself, which “controlled South Korea’s military.” After the war, the US helped try to cover up these executions, an effort that largely succeeded until the 1990s.

At a point in the war when the US was on the verge of defeat, General Douglas MacArthur “announced that he saw unique opportunities for the deployment of atomic weapons. This call was taken up by many in Congress.” Truman rejected this idea and instead “authorized MacArthur to conduct the famous landings at Inchon in September 1950”, which “threw North Korean troops into disarray and MacArthur began pushing them back across the 38th Parallel”, the line the US had “arbitrarily” drawn to artificially divide Korea, where there was “overwhelming support for unification” among the country’s population as a whole. The US then violated its own artificial border and pushed into the North.

China warned the US it would not sit by while the its neighbor was invaded (China itself also feared being invaded), but MacArthur shrugged this off, saying if the Chinese “tried to get down to Pyongyang” he would “slaughter” them, adding, “we are the best.” MacArthur “then ordered airstrikes to lay waste thousands of square miles of northern Korea bordering China and ordered infantry divisions ever closer to its border.”

It was the terrible devastation of this bombing campaign, worse than anything seen during World War II short of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that to this day dominates North Korea’s relations with the United States and drives its determination never to submit to any American diktat.

General Curtis Lemay directed this onslaught. It was he who had firebombed Tokyo in March 1945 saying it was “about time we stopped swatting at flies and gone after the manure pile.” It was he who later said that the US “ought to bomb North Vietnam back into the stone age.” Remarking about his desire to lay waste to North Korea he said “We burned down every town in North Korea and South Korea too.” Lemay was by no means exaggerating.

Lemay estimated the US “killed off” some “20% of the [North Korean] population.” (For comparison, the highest percentage of population lost in World War II was in Poland, which lost approximately 16.93 to 17.22% of its people overall.) Dean Rusk, who later became a Secretary of State, said the US targeted and attempted to execute every person “that moved” in North Korea, and tried to knock over “every brick standing on top of another.”

Boggs gives many examples of mass atrocities, one taking place in 1950 when the US rounded up “nearly 1,000 civilians” who were then “beaten, tortured, and shot to death by US troops”, another in Pyongyang when the US summarily executed 3,000 people, “mostly women and children”, and another when the US executed some 6,000 civilians, many with machine guns, many by beheading them with sabres. He notes this list, just of the major atrocities, “goes on endlessly.” (75)


US/UN forces in Korea in tanks painted to look like tigers.

When Chinese forces followed through on their threat and entered North Korea, successfully pushing back US troops, Truman then threatened China with nuclear weapons, saying they were under “active consideration.” For his part, “MacArthur demanded the bombs… As he put it in his memoirs:

I would have dropped between thirty and fifty atomic bombs…strung across the neck of Manchuria…and spread behind us – from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea- a belt of radioactive cobalt. It has an active life of between 60 and 120 years.

Cobalt it should be noted is at least 100 times more radioactive than uranium.

He also expressed a desire for chemicals and gas.

In 1951 the U.S. initiated “Operation Strangle”, which officials estimated killed at least 3 million people on both sides of the 38th parallel, but the figure is probably closer to 4 million [“mostly civilians” and “mostly resulting from US aerial bombardments” in which civilians “were deliberately targeted” (54, 67-8), as were “schools, hospitals, and churches” (65). Estimates for the death toll also go “much higher” than 4 million (74)].

Boggs notes US propaganda during this time period (the US was a world leader in eugenics scholarship and race-based “legal” discrimination) dehumanized Asians and facilitated targeting and mass executions of “inferior” civilians: the “US decision to target civilians … was planned and systematic, going to the top of the power structure. …no one was ever charged…” Some in the US forces, such as General Matthew Ridgeway, claimed the war was a Christian jihad in defense of “God”. (54-5) Analysts at George Washington University, looking at US contingency plans from this era to wipe out much of the world’s population with nuclear weapons, determined a likely rationale for the US’s doctrine of targeting of civilians is to “reduce the morale of the enemy civilian population through fear” – the definition of terrorism.

Atwood continues:

The question of whether the U.S. carried out germ warfare has been raised but has never been fully proved or disproved. The North accused the U.S. of dropping bombs laden with cholera, anthrax, plague, and encephalitis and hemorrhagic fever, all of which turned up among soldiers and civilians in the north. Some American prisoners of war confessed to such war crimes but these were dismissed as evidence of torture by North Korea on Americans. However, none of the U.S. POWs who did confess and were later repatriated were allowed to meet the press. A number of investigations were carried out by scientists from friendly western countries. One of the most prominent concluded the charges were true.

At this time the US was engaged in top secret germ-warfare research [including non-consensual human experimentation] with captured Nazi and Japanese germ warfare experts, and also [conducting non-consensual human experimentation on tens of thousands of people, including in gas chambers and aerial bombardments, with mustard gas and other chemical weapons,] experimenting with Sarin[, later including non-consensual human experimentation], despite its ban by the Geneva Convention.

Boggs notes the US “had substantial stocks of biological weapons” and US leaders thought they might be able to keep their use “secret enough to make a plausible denial”. They also thought that if their use was uncovered, the US could simply remind its accusers that it had never signed the 1925 Geneva Protocol on biological warfare. (135-6)

A 1952 US government film made to instruct the US armed forces on the US’s “offensive biological and chemical warfare program” says the US can “deliver a biological or chemical attack … hundreds of miles inland from any coastline” to “attack a large portion of an enemy’s population.” The film shows US soldiers filling bio/chemical dispersal containers for “contamination” of enemy areas, and then a cartoon depiction of US bio/chem weapons agents being delivered from US ships, passing over Korea, and covering huge swathes of China.

Boggs notes “the US apparently hoped the rapid spread of deadly diseases would instill panic in Koreans and Chinese, resulting in a collapse of combat morale”. (136)

Atwood adds that as in the case of the Rhee/US mass executions of South Koreans, Washington blamed the evident use of germ warfare on “the communists”.

The US also used napalm, a fiery gel that sticks to and burns through targets,

…extensively, completely and utterly destroying the northern capital of Pyongyang. By 1953 American pilots were returning to carriers and bases claiming there were no longer any significant targets in all of North Korea to bomb. In fact a very large percentage of the northern population was by then living in tunnels dug by hand underground. A British journalist wrote that the northern population was living “a troglodyte existence.” In the Spring of 1953 US warplanes hit five of the largest dams along the Yalu river completely inundating and killing Pyongyang’s harvest of rice. Air Force documents reveal calculated premeditation saying that “Attacks in May will be most effective psychologically because it was the end of the rice-transplanting season before the roots could become completely embedded.” Flash floods scooped out hundreds of square miles of vital food producing valleys and killed untold numbers of farmers.

At Nuremberg after WWII, Nazi officers who carried out similar attacks on the dikes of Holland, creating a mass famine in 1944, were tried as criminals and some were executed for their crimes.

Atwood concludes it is “the collective memory” of the above “that animates North Korea’s policies toward the US today”.

Under no circumstances could any westerner reasonably expect … that the North Korean regime would simply submit to any ultimatums by the US, by far the worst enemy Korea ever had measured by the damage inflicted on the entirety of the Korean peninsula."

If you were the fat little man over there, how seriously would you enter your country into negotiations with 'murica over de-nuclearization? A quick recollection of Muammar Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein and how that went would suffice.
 

Lilbitsnana

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I would hazard a guess that when things are close to going hot, radio chatter that we mortals can receive will drop off as the military switches to secure comms such as encrypted digital satellite transmissions. Those radio fanatics sad enough to have high-end spectrum analyzers may notice an upswing in high-power signals.

Yeah, that was my point.

Most people expect high volume or higher than normal anyway when something is going down, but the tweep that does listen to all that stuff said it got really quiet/dead.

I figured it would probably be pretty dead too; if not normally that way before, I figured it would be with Trump in office. He doesn't want the enemy to know what is going down or when, unlike Bams and several other concritters.
 

Lilbitsnana

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North Korea condemns U.S. for ICBM launch from California http://upi.com/6523494t via @upi



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North Korea condemns U.S. for ICBM launch from California

By Elizabeth Shim Contact the Author | April 28, 2017 at 11:41 AM


April 28 (UPI) -- North Korea slammed the United States on Friday two days after the U.S. Air Force successfully test-fired an unarmed intercontinental ballistic missile.

Pyongyang's state-controlled news agency KCNA condemned the launch of the Minuteman III, which was fired from California's Vandenberg Air Force Base this week and traveled 4,200 miles to the Marshall Islands.

In its statement, North Korea said the United States "will soon clearly know what real war tastes like
."

The statement ran under an article titled, "The world is looking at a bandit with his knife pulled out," and accused the United States of acting outside the norm.


"Even as the [United States] drinks extreme bitterness from a cup, it viciously persists in pursuing a hostile policy against [North Korea]," the statement read. "Can we really regard the United States as a normal country?"

Pyongyang claimed the United States was "aggravating the situation" by deploying the THAAD defense system and the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson.

"No one welcomes a bandit who coerces the proprietor with a knife," KCNA stated. "It is our legal right to strengthen our deterrence in the critical situation."


The Minuteman III missile, which included a non-explosive payload of flight data, traveled to the Marshall Islands' Kwajalein Atoll, and was declared a success.

"Tonight's launch was an important demonstration of our nation's nuclear deterrent capability. Test launches like this one are vital to validating the effectiveness and readiness of our operational nuclear systems, so it is critical that they are successful," Col. John Moss of the USAF 30th Space Wing had said.

The launch was criticized by a California-based nonprofit that charged the United States of "operating with a clear double standard."

In September 2016, the Air Force launched a Minuteman II ICBM following North Korea's testing of missiles.
 

Lilbitsnana

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U.N. chief says no communication with North Korea is dangerous http://reut.rs/2ptnm5G via @Reuters


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Fri Apr 28, 2017 | 10:19am EDT
U.N. chief says no communication with North Korea is dangerous

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told the U.N. Security Council on Friday that he is alarmed by the risk of military escalation on the Korean Peninsula.

"The absence of communication channels with the DPRK (North Korea) is dangerous," he told the 15-member council. "We need to avoid miscalculation and misunderstanding. We need to act now to prevent conflict and achieve sustainable peace."
(Reporting by Michelle Nichols and Lesley Wroughton; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)
 

Be Well

may all be well
First Quarter GDP in the U.S. just came in at .7 per cent, lower than expected. A consumer spending collapse was the main reason.

So the main engine for economic growth in the world can not get traction.

The likelihood of war increases.

This is interesting, from Larry Schweikart, and for me I am an economic ignoramous, but since he's an historian, I take his comments seriously.

Well, I think this is really good news. We are shifting into a supply side economy, away from consumption & into investment. This will take a few quarters, just as Reaganomics did, but you should then see strong, consistent growth.
 

rmomaha

The Wise Man Prepares
China cautions against use of force on North Korea


http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/China-cautions-against-use-of-force-on-North-Korea-489273?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

UNITED NATIONS - China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi urged North Korea on Friday to stop its nuclear and missile development activities and cautioned all parties that "the use of force does not solve differences and will only lead to bigger disasters."

Wang also told the UN Security Council: "China is not the focal point of the problem on the peninsula. The key to solving the nuclear issue on the peninsula does not lie in the hands of the Chinese side."

He said the deployment of a US anti-missile system in South Korea "seriously undermines" China's strategic security and damages trust among parties on the North Korean issue.
 

rmomaha

The Wise Man Prepares
Russia says use of force on North Korea would be 'completely unacceptable'

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Russia-says-use-of-force-on-North-Korea-would-be-completely-unacceptable-489274?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

UNITED NATIONS - Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov called on North Korea on Friday to end its banned nuclear and missile development programs but warned that the use of force against Pyongyang would be "completely unacceptable."

"The combative rhetoric coupled with reckless muscle-flexing has led to a situation where the whole world seriously is now wondering whether there's going to be a war or not," he told the UN Security Council. "One ill thought out or misinterpreted step could lead to the most frightening and lamentable consequences."
 

vestige

Deceased
Russia says use of force on North Korea would be 'completely unacceptable'

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Russia-says-use-of-force-on-North-Korea-would-be-completely-unacceptable-489274?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

UNITED NATIONS - Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov called on North Korea on Friday to end its banned nuclear and missile development programs but warned that the use of force against Pyongyang would be "completely unacceptable."

"The combative rhetoric coupled with reckless muscle-flexing has led to a situation where the whole world seriously is now wondering whether there's going to be a war or not," he told the UN Security Council. "One ill thought out or misinterpreted step could lead to the most frightening and lamentable consequences."

Looking at the author of this statement... I consider this a definite warning from the Russkies.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Endless Atrocities: The US Role in Creating the North Korean Fortress-State

Posted on April 25, 2017 by Robert Barsocchini

One can learn a lot by seeing other articles journalists write. Anyone who takes a few minutes checking can see that Barsocchini has some interesting views. I'm sure there are many worthy articles he has written, but some are clearly way, way "out there". So the problem is, how do you know when he's correct in this article, without knowing a great deal about the history of North Korean and US involvement? Writers' POV/biases should always be taken into account. Here is a link to his other articles, and a few titles that jumped out at me as....interesting. BTW he thinks Colin Kopernaickec or whatever his name is, is totally right not to stand for the national anthem as Francis Scott Keyes was an evil racist, as bad as the evil racist Thomas Jefferson. From other articles, he appears to think that the US is a nasty racist country and that blacks are horribly oppressed.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/author/robert-barsocchini
 

Oreally

Right from the start
China cautions against use of force on North Korea

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Wang also told the UN Security Council: "China is not the focal point of the problem on the peninsula. The key to solving the nuclear issue on the peninsula does not lie in the hands of the Chinese side."

...

well, we can throw that gambit out the window.
 
This is interesting, from Larry Schweikart, and for me I am an economic ignoramous, but since he's an historian, I take his comments seriously.

Well, I think this is really good news. We are shifting into a supply side economy, away from consumption & into investment. This will take a few quarters, just as Reaganomics did, but you should then see strong, consistent growth.

With our extremely high levels of debt I don't think we have the time or the money for such a turn-around. A crisis will arise because of the way the financial system is stretched or because of a currency crisis. It is not that Trump is not making the right moves. It is that the right moves should have been made before the dotcom bubble.
 

Lilbitsnana

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Yeah, that will keep him calm


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Zahra

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This is interesting, from Larry Schweikart, and for me I am an economic ignoramous, but since he's an historian, I take his comments seriously.

Well, I think this is really good news. We are shifting into a supply side economy, away from consumption & into investment. This will take a few quarters, just as Reaganomics did, but you should then see strong, consistent growth.

I'm trying to decide whether he's speaking plainly or using irony and sarcasm? If he means "supply side" as in "look, we've got a build up of goods that just aren't selling due to lack of adequate consumer demand" then he's spot on -- but if he's being plain spoken and means when he wrote then how do we stimulate the demand it would take to grow our way out of the hole via supply side economics at this point???
 

Lilbitsnana

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NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 14m14 minutes ago

China, Russia agree to stop DPRK denuclearization AND joint U.S.-South Korea military exercises


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China, Russia agree to stop North Korea denuclearization, joint exercises

By Elizabeth Shim Contact the Author | April 28, 2017 at 1:21 PM



April 28 (UPI) -- China and Russia are cooperating closely on the issue of North Korea's nuclear weapons in New York, and have been meeting ahead of a special session of the United Nations Security Council on Friday.

Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov met with Beijing's Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Thursday, during a meeting of foreign secretaries of the Security Council, the Chinese foreign ministry said.

Wang told the Russian diplomat the "current situation on the Korean peninsula is dangerous enough to lose control," Beijing said Friday.

China's top diplomat said Beijing is in concurrence with Russia on a the "twin measures" of not only stopping North Korea's missile and nuclear provocations, but also bringing an end to U.S.-South Korea military exercises.

The foreign ministry added the two sides agreed to continue "close ties" and to fully implement any future U.N. Security Council sanctions against North Korea.

"While we take measures to stop North Korea's process of developing nuclear weapons and missiles, we must strengthen our efforts as soon as possible to recover dialogue and negotiations," the foreign ministry said, according to Yonhap.

Wang also met with former U.S. State Secretary Henry Kissinger to discuss U.S.-China relations and issues surrounding the Korean peninsula, according to Beijing.

Wang called for "mutually beneficial coexistence" between China and the United States during his meeting with Kissinger, the foreign ministry said.

On Friday, State Secretary Rex Tillerson proposed new sanctions on North Korea and other "painful" measures, during a special session of the Security Council, The Washington Post reported.

At the meeting, U.N. Secretary General António Guterres said he was "alarmed by the risk of a military escalation in the region, including by miscalculation or misunderstanding," following remarks from U.S. President Donald Trump direct conflict is possible with North Korea.
 

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China, Russia agree to stop North Korea denuclearization, joint exercises

By Elizabeth Shim Contact the Author | April 28, 2017 at 1:21 PM

[...]

China's top diplomat said Beijing is in concurrence with Russia on a the "twin measures" of not only stopping North Korea's missile and nuclear provocations, but also bringing an end to U.S.-South Korea military exercises.

Is it me or is that headline wrong? It really got my attention at first until I read the article. I think they meant to say 'to stop NK Nuclear Provocations' or 'to stop NK nuclearization'. Right???? :confused:

HD
 

Be Well

may all be well
I'm trying to decide whether he's speaking plainly or using irony and sarcasm? If he means "supply side" as in "look, we've got a build up of goods that just aren't selling due to lack of adequate consumer demand" then he's spot on -- but if he's being plain spoken and means when he wrote then how do we stimulate the demand it would take to grow our way out of the hole via supply side economics at this point???

A lot of manufacturing jobs are opening up and the jobless rate is way, way down; so that must factor in somehwere.
 

Be Well

may all be well
With our extremely high levels of debt I don't think we have the time or the money for such a turn-around. A crisis will arise because of the way the financial system is stretched or because of a currency crisis. It is not that Trump is not making the right moves. It is that the right moves should have been made before the dotcom bubble.

Cutting gov spending by a lot helps, as well as more jobs; but the leviathan of bloated rotten fedgov and many or most states are not much better - can't turn on a dime, especially when there is little to no cooperation from the rest of staff...
 

minkykat

Komplainy Kat
I would hazard a guess that when things are close to going hot, radio chatter that we mortals can receive will drop off as the military switches to secure comms such as encrypted digital satellite transmissions. Those radio fanatics sad enough to have high-end spectrum analyzers may notice an upswing in high-power signals.

Yeah, I figured... Hoped that they would have other, not in common hands methods of communication. I figure they do just enough on USB to make us armchair types feel like we're part of the game but when petal meets metal...Bye!
 

Archetype

Veteran Member
Yeah, I figured... Hoped that they would have other, not in common hands methods of communication. I figure they do just enough on USB to make us armchair types feel like we're part of the game but when petal meets metal...Bye!


There is only so much Satcom capacity, and "going green" isn't always that easy to do. I would wager that we'll see more, not less GHFS traffic if this thing goes hot.
 

Lilbitsnana

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NorthKoreaRealTime‏ @BuckTurgidson79 15m15 minutes ago

North Korea's deputy U.N. ambassador Kim In Ryong calls US efforts to rid nukes a 'wild dream' http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-28-15-32-20


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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-28-15-32-20


Apr 28, 3:32 PM EDT

NKorea official calls US efforts to rid nukes a 'wild dream'


By EDITH M. LEDERER
Associated Press


UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- North Korea's deputy U.N. ambassador said Friday that U.S. efforts to get rid of his country's nuclear weapons through military threats and sanctions are "a wild dream."

Kim In Ryong told The Associated Press that North Korea's nuclear weapons are never part of "political bargains and economic deals."

"In a nutshell, DPRK have already declared not to attend any type of talks which would discuss its nuclear abandonment, nuclear disbandment," he said, using the acronym for the country's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Kim reiterated North Korea's longstanding contention that its nuclear program "is the product of the United States hostile policy towards DPRK."

"That is why every solution will be possible when the United States hostile policy is withdrawn in advance," he said.

Kim "categorically rejected" Friday's U.N. Security Council meeting on the North Korean nuclear issue - which his country declined to attend - as "another abuse" of the council's authority, acting on instructions of the United States which is a veto-wielding member.


The United States holds the council presidency this month and organized the ministerial session that U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson chaired.


Tillerson called for new sanctions on North Korea and urged all countries to exert pressure on Pyongyang and implement the six U.N. sanctions resolutions. He also stressed that the Trump administration will only engage in talks with Pyongyang when it exhibits "a good faith commitment" to implement Security Council resolutions "and their past promises to end their nuclear programs."

Kim responded saying: "As we expected, (the) U.S. has taken issue with self-defensive nuclear deterrent of the DPRK, and not only to justify their anti-DPRK aggressive war racket but also to create atmosphere for sanctions against DPRK at any cost."

He said the United States "is wholly to blame for pushing the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the brink of a nuclear war by staging the largest-ever joint aggression military drills against the DPRK for the past two months" and deploying "nuclear strategic assets" to South Korea.

While the United States once talked about nuclear disarmament, Kim said it is spending a trillion dollars "in a bid to secure a nuclear edge" - and he said this issue should be addressed "before tabling the denuclearization of the DPRK."

"The nuclear force of the DPRK just serves as a treasured sword of justice and creditable war deterrent to protect the sovereignty and dignity of the country and global peace from the U.S. threat to ignite a nuclear war," Kim said.
 

hiwall

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NKorea official calls US efforts to rid nukes a 'wild dream'
True, unless we do it by massive force and destroy a large amount of infrastructure along with killing many of the 'higher-ups' in the military.
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

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I would hazard a guess that when things are close to going hot, radio chatter that we mortals can receive will drop off as the military switches to secure comms such as encrypted digital satellite transmissions. Those radio fanatics sad enough to have high-end spectrum analyzers may notice an upswing in high-power signals.

Be careful when the jungle goes silent.
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Shacknasty Shagrat

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Is it me or is that headline wrong? It really got my attention at first until I read the article. I think they meant to say 'to stop NK Nuclear Provocations' or 'to stop NK nuclearization'. Right???? :confused:

HD

The translation machine got over heated.
I like your take better.
It is alarming when serious communications get garbled, especially at this time.
Oh well, it's about noon so lets go to launch.
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Be Well

may all be well
Quote Originally Posted by Heliobas Disciple View Post
Is it me or is that headline wrong? It really got my attention at first until I read the article. I think they meant to say 'to stop NK Nuclear Provocations' or 'to stop NK nuclearization'. Right????

HD

So they want Nork to stop being provoking or the US/other to stop provoking...?
 
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