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raven

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I intended to say "I feel pretty certain that any effort to contain this virus will not be effective."
And then I read "Strategy for Now Isn’t to Stop It, But to Slow It"

Apparently, I was right.
It appears that sooner or later everyone is going to get the disease.


Coronavirus: U.S. Strategy for Now Isn’t to Stop It, But to Slow It
Yesterday, 03:07 PM

FEBRUARY 5, 2020, BY CNN WIRE, UPDATED AT 04:44AM, FEBRUARY 5, 20
It has been two weeks since the first US case of Wuhan coronavirus was announced, and the US strategy to fight it has become clear: It’s impossible to stop this virus right now — it can only be slowed down.

There are several reasons why.

First, people are flying into the United States every day from China, where the newly discovered virus has infected thousands of people. While there are health screenings at US airports, quarantines for some passengers and even limits on who is allowed into the United States, a government official says there’s no way to catch every infected person.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention expects to find more coronavirus cases in the United States, and more cases involving person-to-person transmission. Still, it says, the risk to the American public is low.

“It’s important to know that this strategy is not meant to catch every single traveler returning from China with novel coronavirus,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a press briefing Monday. “Given the nature of this virus and how it’s spreading, that would be impossible. But working together, we can catch the majority of them.”

The goal instead is “to slow the entry of this virus into the United States,” she said.

It’s now a much more daunting task to screen travelers from China than during the SARS outbreak in 2003, said Dr. William Schaffner, a longtime CDC adviser...The CDC had said it was trying to get the test out to state health departments to speed things up.

“This is very, very important, and I think the CDC recognizes that,” said Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “I think they’re working literally day and night to get these testing kits assembled and training done so state health departments can do this testing.”

Further complicating matters is that the test isn’t always accurate.

The FDA noted that negative results on the test do not preclude infection with the virus, and negative results must be combined with clinical observations, patient history and epidemiological information..
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https://ktla.com/2020/02/05/coronavi...ut-to-slow-it/
 

MaryLu

Senior Member
What about the use of an ozone generator in cleaning items such as masks and clothing? Ozone is known to kill the SARS virus. I am talking about the use of a commercial quality generator and a sealed environment.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member

Ohio Health Department monitoring possible case of coronavirus
Yesterday, 01:43 PM

Ohio Health Department monitoring possible case of coronavirus

Posted: 1:27 PM, Feb 05, 2020

Updated: 1:27 PM, Feb 05, 2020
By: Kaylyn Hlavaty
COLUMBUS — The Ohio Department of Health is monitoring a new Person Under Investigation (PUI) for the 2019 novel coronavirus, according to a news release.

Samples from the PUI were taken and sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for testing, authorities said.

According to health officials, the results are expected in the coming days and the Ohio Health Department is working with a local department to monitor the individual and their contacts. Health officials have not released the location of the Person Under Investigation...https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...of-coronavirus

I'm not understating why they’re calling this patient a “person under investigation.” That sounds pretty criminal to me. They keep referring to this person as a PUI. I wonder why? I don’t recall seeing that verbiage in any other articles about potential cases.
 

northern watch

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(((Henry L Niman PhD)))‏ @hniman 26m26 minutes ago

nCoV Confirmed In Two Australians On Diamond Princess Cruise Ship Quarantined Off Japan Coast Japan MoH PRESS RELEASE Coronavirus positives 7 Japan, 3 United States, 3 Hong Kong, 2 Canada, 2 Australia, 1 Taiwan, 1 New Zealand, 1 Philippines
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
One of Drudge's headlines early this morning was a report out of a U.K. paper about hundreds of people dying a day and the crematoriums being over run with bodies. I just checked now and the story has been taken down. The herd is awakening.....
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I intended to say "I feel pretty certain that any effort to contain this virus will not be effective."
And then I read "Strategy for Now Isn’t to Stop It, But to Slow It"

Apparently, I was right.
It appears that sooner or later everyone is going to get the disease.

no other way to reduce the world population to 500 million (number from the Georgia Guidestones) without nuclear-izing the planet, apparently.

self-quarantining starting within the next week may even be too late depending on your interactions with the public (rural or urban, retired and at home usually? Working at the office every day?)

short of moving out to the igloo out back, and staying there for the next two years, looks like the chance the whole world is going to lose 1/3 (Biblically speaking...) is darned near 100%, we just can’t bring ourselves to admit it. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
 

2DEES

Inactive
I believe this is for marsh(who mentioned they had H.P.somewhere many posts ago) or any other person who might be looking for an ALTERNATIVE course of action to take concerning their hypertension? Please be advised, I mean NO DISRESPECT to any doctor, nurse or other medical professional! I am posting this due to possible disruptions in they supply chain in part or totally due to the Coronavirus in China and offering a solution to a medical problem that they have. I am also ONLY addressing hypertension. Ready. here goes.

Doctors are EXPERTS in diagnosing, EXPERTS in proscribing and EXPERTS in treating SYMPTOMS. Most are NOT EXPERTS in treating the ROOT CAUSE! Enter Dr. Bruce West, THE EXPERT in discovering and treating ROOT causes with 40 years of research (still on going) and treating 90,000 patients. On the first page of his new Encyclopedia of Holistic and Pragmatic Medicine which contains over 100 powerful and proven DRUG FREE treatments for people with any ailment, the first article was "Normalize Blood Pressure Fast". In the article he references physicians Michael and Mary Eades and their book "Protein Power" They were on the forefront to recognize that high insulin from the typical high-carbohydrate diet were a key cause of high B.P. The high-protein, low carbohydrate diet they recommend is so effective, it comes with a warning:

"WARNING: A high protein/low carbohydrate diet is so effective in lowering B.P. that if you are on blood pressure medications, you must be careful. You may become dizzy, and feel faint within just a few days and you will need to be taken off your medications quickly."

West states that some cases of high-insulin induced hypertension will resolve with diet alone. These are the people who consume loads of refined carbohydrates ( junk food, rice, cereals, potatoes, bread, cakes, pies, cookies, crackers, and the like) and have blood fat levels out of the norm. The fasting glucose may be high, the triglycerides are usually high, the LDL is usually high and the HDL is usually low.

The body's response is to raise insulin levels, affecting the heart and kidneys. This all spells high B.P. The only way to resolve this is with the right diet. With stubborn cases supplementation is necessary at least at the beginning. I won't go into these. You'll have to get his encyclopedia to follow through with this.

Run this by your doctor and see what he says. I hope he doesn't poo poo it?

West concludes with this statement. "Your blood pressure can normalize really quickly when treated properly. You'll need to be ready to get off drugs fast! What a concept!"

Let me stress these are not my recommendations! It's your body and you might want to think out of the box instead of conventional medical practices? Remember you are what you eat and think!

Best to all
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
William Yang‏Verified account @WilliamYang120 2h2 hours ago

South Korea’s custom has intensified its crack down on illegal purchase of masks. It is part of its larger campaign to crack down on illegal export of medical supplies.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
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Big mistake Huge mistake

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/arabnews/status/1225384942315524096



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@Tokyo2020
chief said organizers have set up a task force to combat the fast-spreading #coronavirus, and promised that the Games will go ahead as planned



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6:45 AM · Feb 6, 2020·Socialbakers
I'm not ready to engage in black humor, but there is a plethora of ideas for wuhan virus associated sports.
 

20Gauge

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bcingu

Senior Member
A lot of people are going to wish they adopted prepping as a lifestyle. Two weeks ago already we were pleading with anyone who was reading here to source what you need. The U.S. is not familiar with bare store shelves but it will be. We are going to rue the day that we depend on China for half the stuff in the stores.

Unlike China since this all began. The rest of the world's supply chain will be limited because China has been shut down for most of a month. Shipping has fallen off and we see factories all over the world closing due to a lack of parts from China.

Therefore, we only have what is already here and those numbers dwindle everyday because of normal attrition. So, they better get it while the getting is good or it might not be available for a very long time.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
I'm not understating why they’re calling this patient a “person under investigation.” That sounds pretty criminal to me. They keep referring to this person as a PUI. I wonder why? I don’t recall seeing that verbiage in any other articles about potential cases.

I’ve seen PUI used elsewhere in the virus thread, but it does sound odd. Must be public health speak.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Unlike China since this all began. The rest of the world's supply chain will be limited because China has been shut down for most of a month. Shipping has fallen off and we see factories all over the world closing due to a lack of parts from China.

Therefore, we only have what is already here and those numbers dwindle everyday because of normal attrition. So, they better get it while the getting is good or it might not be available for a very long time.
Has anyone seen the baltic indexes yet? Some specifics would be excellent!
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Husbands company got the go-ahead and will start shipping more air freight out of China as they can. Some of their big customers are panicking that their lines will be shut down and willing to pay the higher prices but I'm sure their extra expenses will be passed along also. I don't know how long that will last as the number planes flying has decreased also. What a mess.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Early in this thread, Melodi talked about Salt Masks. I will be boiling my masks in heavy concentration of salt water and drying. Salt breaks the walls of the virus down where it can't do harm. It basically dessicates it; dries it up. There are several sources of Salt Mask directions online. Here is one:

New surgical mask doesn't just trap viruses, it renders them harmless
Innovative improvement on surgical masks will make them effective by empowering them to kill viruses
January 5, 2017 University of Alberta

The surgical masks people wear to stop the spread of diseases don't work well -- that isn't what they're designed for. Pathogens like influenza are transmitted in aerosol droplets when we cough or sneeze. Masks trap the droplets but the virus remains infectious. Scientists took on the challenge of improving the masks, using salt to turn them into virus killers.

more: New surgical mask doesn't just trap viruses, it renders them harmless: Innovative improvement on surgical masks will make them effective by empowering them to kill viruses
There is an updated post in the "On Your Own" section (sewing area) - Nightwolf says DO NOT BOIL AND SALT COMMERCIAL MASKS - it can destroy what makes them work, even surgical masks.

Instead, make HOMEMADE CLOTH MASKS out of FINE WOVEN COTTON or other breathable material and boil them in a SATURATED SALT BATH (aka put as much salt as you can into boiling water until the spoon comes out covered in salt or you can't add anymore without making mush).

DRY masks totally afterward - for BEST PROTECTION, wear the homemade masks securely fitted over surgical masks - if the salt is an issue, make boiled cotton under-mask (without salt) to protect your face, if you don't have commercial ones.

You can also make a FACE SHIELD (to protect the eyes/wear over glasses) out of a large plastic water bottle, it does NOT protect from inhaling the virus but it WILL PROTECT YOUR EYES if you don't have googles or can't wear them.

In a pinch, a draped plastic bag would also work for a face shield, but again is the last resort - but it is better than nothing.

Nightwolf wants to remind everyone that nothing, not even an N100 mask is going to be totally full proof but everything you can do to limit exposure helps - the salt masks can be reboiled and reused - and should be if they get wet or if anyone sneezes or coughs on you.

Now I'll get back to catching up on the thread...Melodi
 

Tarryn

Senior Member

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Re: salt masks...

I plan on sewing some sort of "pocket mask", out of layers of high thread count cotton, with the "salt insert (which will be removable so after washing and sterilizing (hot dryer or direct sunlight), we can re-salt-treat inserts and reuse the whole thing.

For N95, masks, I believe the original instructions said to separate the mask layers and only salt one of them, then (presumably... I didn't read every detail) reassembling them. The point is... there is no way you are going to be able to tolerate salt saturated fabric directly on your face skin! Ever go to the seashore, and then not be able to shower for a few hours after a swim? The ocean has a lot less salt than the mask will... you're going to have to use a liner piece.

Summerthyme
Per Nightwolf you need to have salt on the OUTSIDE LAYER of whatever mask you are using (again don't salt commercial masks) - the reason is that the salt mask works by trapping the droplets that other people cough, breath, sneeze, etc and immediately crystalizing them.

That only works if the OUTSIDE of the masks is salted so instead of inserts, you want an outer layer you can boil, perhaps the inside inserts and/or under mask are not salted.
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
Mask this, mask and that.....

Those Chinese doctors are wrapped up like a prom night boys gear in a known dirty whorehouse.....and they are dropping like flies.

Start thinking AVOIDANCE.

NOT " protective mask"

The CDC 's statement tells you all you need to know...all is going according to plan.

No one will listen
You have until this weekend to finish your preps...and then...

She blows up here....

--------this message sent from a secure location------

Laugh, it does a body good.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Soak in colloidal silver....

Texican....
Not according to Nightwolf, it should be used topically but not inhaled and it won't work the way the salt does to trap the virus and crystalize it.

He did say you want colloidal silver around for treating burns and other injuries that may occur to people who need topical treatments and you don't want to risk a trip to a crowded hospital full of people during a quarantine.
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I believe this is for marsh(who mentioned they had H.P.somewhere many posts ago) or any other person who might be looking for an ALTERNATIVE course of action to take concerning their hypertension? Please be advised, I mean NO DISRESPECT to any doctor, nurse or other medical professional! I am posting this due to possible disruptions in they supply chain in part or totally due to the Coronavirus in China and offering a solution to a medical problem that they have. I am also ONLY addressing hypertension. Ready. here goes.

Doctors are EXPERTS in diagnosing, EXPERTS in proscribing and EXPERTS in treating SYMPTOMS. Most are NOT EXPERTS in treating the ROOT CAUSE! Enter Dr. Bruce West, THE EXPERT in discovering and treating ROOT causes with 40 years of research (still on going) and treating 90,000 patients. On the first page of his new Encyclopedia of Holistic and Pragmatic Medicine which contains over 100 powerful and proven DRUG FREE treatments for people with any ailment, the first article was "Normalize Blood Pressure Fast". In the article he references physicians Michael and Mary Eades and their book "Protein Power" They were on the forefront to recognize that high insulin from the typical high-carbohydrate diet were a key cause of high B.P. The high-protein, low carbohydrate diet they recommend is so effective, it comes with a warning:

"WARNING: A high protein/low carbohydrate diet is so effective in lowering B.P. that if you are on blood pressure medications, you must be careful. You may become dizzy, and feel faint within just a few days and you will need to be taken off your medications quickly."

West states that some cases of high-insulin induced hypertension will resolve with diet alone. These are the people who consume loads of refined carbohydrates ( junk food, rice, cereals, potatoes, bread, cakes, pies, cookies, crackers, and the like) and have blood fat levels out of the norm. The fasting glucose may be high, the triglycerides are usually high, the LDL is usually high and the HDL is usually low.

The body's response is to raise insulin levels, affecting the heart and kidneys. This all spells high B.P. The only way to resolve this is with the right diet. With stubborn cases supplementation is necessary at least at the beginning. I won't go into these. You'll have to get his encyclopedia to follow through with this.

Run this by your doctor and see what he says. I hope he doesn't poo poo it?

West concludes with this statement. "Your blood pressure can normalize really quickly when treated properly. You'll need to be ready to get off drugs fast! What a concept!"

Let me stress these are not my recommendations! It's your body and you might want to think out of the box instead of conventional medical practices? Remember you are what you eat and think!

Best to all

I will say, this is my history of Atkins type diets. My BP goes up, I go on the diet. Within one week, my BP is normal(110/70, normal for me), or lower, where I have to take vitamin B-12 to RAISE my BP. On the diet, it will be between 90/60 to 110/70, only going slightly higher during the day.

So, at 60, I take NO MEDICINES.
Oh, yea, my cholesterol is too high, unless I stay on the diet long-term. Then it goes down(Still too high, but no meds for me)

Southside
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I'm not understating why they’re calling this patient a “person under investigation.” That sounds pretty criminal to me. They keep referring to this person as a PUI. I wonder why? I don’t recall seeing that verbiage in any other articles about potential cases.
This is not new terminology.

They have used it since well back in the 2 digit - 3 digit posts in this thread.
It's actually less discriminatory, and yet not PC than a bunch of other classifications available to them.
Yes, it IS Public Health Speak. And most assuredly not a new classification.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
One of Drudge's headlines early this morning was a report out of a U.K. paper about hundreds of people dying a day and the crematoriums being over run with bodies. I just checked now and the story has been taken down. The herd is awakening.....

Either that, or Drudge was being histrionic and decided to reduce the sensationalist tone. Am I saying those things are definintely NOT happening? No. But Drudge may have deemed it to be unsupportable to report as yet, and is backtracking until better confirmation exists.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Mask this, mask and that.....

Those Chinese doctors are wrapped up like a prom night boys gear in a known dirty whorehouse.....and they are dropping like flies.

Start thinking AVOIDANCE.

NOT " protective mask"

The CDC 's statement tells you all you need to know...all is going according to plan.

No one will listen
You have until this weekend to finish your preps...and then...

She blows up here....

--------this message sent from a secure location------

Laugh, it does a body good.
That does make you wonder. Are the doctors treating the patients really bundled up or is it just for optics. If the former, AVOIDANCE is the only solution. If the former, then we may have a chance...
 

raven

TB Fanatic
no other way to reduce the world population to 500 million (number from the Georgia Guidestones) without nuclear-izing the planet, apparently.

self-quarantining starting within the next week may even be too late depending on your interactions with the public (rural or urban, retired and at home usually? Working at the office every day?)

short of moving out to the igloo out back, and staying there for the next two years, looks like the chance the whole world is going to lose 1/3 (Biblically speaking...) is darned near 100%, we just can’t bring ourselves to admit it. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
I always try to be optimistic. It would appear this virus will be very active in large metropolitan areas. So a positive aspect of it is that all of the top metropolitan areas by population are liberal.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1225357160864980992


FANGCANG HOSPITAL: We don't accept patients with severe situations! TWe don't accept those who can't walk, or can't take care of themselves! If anything goes wrong, we are not responsible for it! The main point I was making is: Once you get in you can't go out! #Coronavirus

1:46
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4:54 AM · Feb 6, 2020·TweetDeck


So this HOSPITAL-- (by "name")

Is designating itself as NO LONGER BEING a "hospital"

But ONLY a quarantine station--

with NO treatment!

"you must take care of YOURSELVES" and "Once in, you CANNOT leave!--so you don't infect others!"

They've just totally given up---even palliative care---


they're just trying to quarantine in the (vain?) hope of slowing or stopping it.

"You're on your own"----sums it up, for them..........and us...............
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not according to Nightwolf, it should be used topically but not inhaled and it won't work the way the salt does to trap the virus and crystalize it.

He did say you want colloidal silver around for treating burns and other injuries that may occur to people who need topical treatments and you don't want to risk a trip to a crowded hospital full of people during a quarantine.

I disagree. I use it in a nebulizer often for upper respiratory illnesses, and it takes care of them in a day or two.

My son once had what we thought was walking pneumonia. the Doc in the box couldn't see him till Monday. On Saturday, and Sunday, he did nebulizer treatments. On Monday when he went in, the Doc questioned him on why he had "Pockets of pneumonia", but otherwise his lungs were clear. He told the Doc about the nebulizer treatments, and he said, "Oh you are one of those" gave him an antibiotic script and sent him on his way.

I have used it internally for years.


Southside
 
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