CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Melodi

Disaster Cat
CaryC, I commented about a week ago that in the future (should we all make it there) we are likely to see History Channel type documentaries that show the increase in infections on one side of a split-screen with Senators throwing paper airplanes on the other side.

That isn't a criticism of either Republicans or Democrats, but it also is what it is - the world (or at least the US) is likely to remember that there were nonsensical impeachment games going on while the world was heating up to burn with the disease.

While they really are not all that related, I can't help but think that a lot of Washington DC (including the President who is human) were not distracted by the entire impeachment thing, leading to a delay in serious reactions to the danger that now faces everyone.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB

CDC: Update and Interim Guidance on Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) (February 1, 2020)
February 2nd, 2020, 10:18 AM

Source: HAN Archive - 00427 | Health Alert Network (HAN) Update and Interim Guidance on Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)

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February 1, 2020, 0900 ET (9:00 AM ET)
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Summary
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to closely monitor an outbreak of respiratory illness caused by a novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) that was initially detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China in December 2019.

This CDC Health Alert Network (HAN) Update provides a situational update and interim guidance to state and local health departments that supersedes guidance in CDC’s HAN 426 distributed on January 17, 2020. It also adds
Early in the outbreak, many of the patients with respiratory illness caused by 2019-nCoV in China had exposure to a large seafood and live animal market, suggesting animal-to-human transmission. More recently, cases have been confirmed with no exposure to animal markets, indicating that person-to-person spread of the virus has occurred. Chinese officials report that sustained person-to-person spread in the community is occurring in China.
The first US case-patient was identified on January 21, 2020, and had recently traveled from Wuhan, China. Since that time, six additional cases have been confirmed in the United States, four among persons who traveled from Wuhan, and one a close contact of a confirmed case. Globally, reported illnesses in people with 2019-nCoV have ranged from mild (no or few signs and symptoms), to severe, including death. These findings are consistent with other coronaviruses, including Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) (SARS | Home | Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome | SARS-CoV Disease | CDC) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)

(Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)). Additional information about 2019-nCoV is needed to better understand transmission, disease severity, and risk to the general population. The goal of the ongoing US public health response is to identify and contain this outbreak and prevent sustained spread of 2019-nCoV in the United States.

Recommendations for Screening of Patients for 2019-nCoV in Healthcare Facilities
Recommendations for screening of patients for possible 2019-nCoV infection are based on (1) current knowledge of the characteristics of clinical illness observed in early cases, and (2) the geographic distribution of current cases. They reflect the current public health goal of rapidly containing and preventing transmission of 2019-nCoV illness.

Patients presenting to healthcare facilities should be assessed for exposures associated with risk of 2019-nCoV infections (e.g., travel to China or close contact with a confirmed case) and for symptoms consistent with 2019-nCoV infection (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-criteria.html). The assessment is intended to allow healthcare providers to make decisions about appropriate infection control and management of patients. Note that the signs and symptoms of 2019-nCoV overlap with those associated with other viral respiratory tract infections. Given the time of year, common respiratory illnesses, including influenza, should also be considered in patients who are screened. (Figure 1)
Clinicians should ask:
  • Does the person have fever or symptoms of lower respiratory infection, such as cough or shortness of breath?
AND
  • Has the patient traveled to mainland China within 14 days of symptom onset?
OR
  • Has the patient had close contact1 with a person confirmed with 2019-nCoV infection?
Figure 1.
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If a patient meets these criteria:
  • To minimize the risk that other people will be exposed to individuals who may have 2019-nCoV, patients who report having these symptoms should be asked to wear a surgical mask as soon as they are identified and directed to a separate area, if possible, with at least 6 feet (2 meters) separation from other persons. Patients should be evaluated in a private room with the door closed, ideally an airborne infection isolation room (AIIR), if available. Healthcare personnel entering the room should use standard precautions, contact precautions, airborne precautions, and use eye protection (e.g., goggles or a face shield). For more information about this, see CDC’s Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Known or Patients Under Investigation for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in a Healthcare Setting (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...n-control.html).
Clinicians should immediately notify the healthcare facility’s infection control personnel and local health department. The health department will determine if this patient needs to be considered a PUI for 2019-nCoV and be tested for infection.

Criteria to Guide Evaluation and Testing of Patients Under Investigation (PUI) for 2019-nCoV

Local health departments, in consultation with clinicians, should determine whether a patient is a PUI for 2019-nCoV. The CDC clinical criteria for 2019-nCoV PUIs have been developed based on available information about this novel virus, as well as what is known about SARS and MERS. These criteria are subject to change as additional information becomes available.

Clinical Features
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Epidemiologic Risk
Fever2or signs/symptoms of lower respiratory illness (e.g. cough or shortness of breath)
AND
Any person, including health care workers, who has had close contact1 with a laboratory-confirmed3 2019-nCoV patient within 14 days of symptom onset
Fever2and signs/symptoms of a lower respiratory illness (e.g., cough or shortness of breath)
AND
A history of travel from Hubei Province, China within 14 days of symptom onset
Fever2and signs/symptoms of a lower respiratory illness (e.g., cough or shortness of breath) requiring hospitalization4
AND
A history of travel from mainland China within 14 days of symptom onset
These criteria are intended to serve as guidance for evaluation and testing. Patients should be evaluated and discussed with public health departments on a case-by-case basis for possible 2019-nCoV infection. Testing decisions might be further informed by the clinical presentation or exposure history (e.g., uncertain travel or exposure), and the presence of an alternative diagnosis that explains their clinical presentation.


Recommendations for Reporting, Testing, and Specimen Collection

Healthcare providers should immediately notify infection control personnel at their healthcare facility if a patient is classified a PUI for 2019-nCoV. State health departments that have identified a PUI should immediately contact CDC’s Emergency Operations Center (EOC) at 770-488-7100 and complete a 2019-nCoV PUI case investigation form (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...men-collection). CDC’s EOC will assist local and state health departments with obtaining, storing, and shipping appropriate specimens to CDC, including afterhours or on weekends or holidays. Currently, diagnostic testing for 2019-nCoV can be done only at CDC. Testing for other respiratory pathogens should not delay specimen shipping to CDC.

For initial diagnostic testing for 2019-nCoV, CDC recommends collecting and testing upper respiratory (nasopharyngeal AND oropharyngeal swabs), and lower respiratory (sputum, if possible)) for those patients with productive coughs. Induction of sputum is not indicated. Specimens should be collected as soon as possible once a PUI is identified, regardless of the time of symptom onset. See Interim Guidelines for Collecting, Handling, and Testing Clinical Specimens from Patients Under Investigation (PUIs) for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...specimens.html).

Recommendations for Healthcare Providers
No vaccine or specific treatment for 2019-nCoV infection is available. At present, medical care for patients with 2019-nCoV is supportive.

Persons with confirmed or suspected 2019-nCoV infection who are hospitalized should be evaluated and cared for in a private room with the door closed, ideally an airborne infection isolation room, if available. For more information, see Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Known or Patients Under Investigation for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in a Healthcare Setting (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...n-control.html).

Home care and isolation may be an option, based on clinical and public health assessment, for some persons. Please see Interim Guidance for Preventing the Spread of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Homes and Communities (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nt-spread.html).

Those isolated at home should be monitored by public health officials to the extent possible. Refer to Interim Guidance for Implementing Home Care of People Not Requiring Hospitalization for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...home-care.html) for more information.

Notes
1Close contact is defined as:

a) being within approximately 6 feet (2 meters), or within the room or care area, of a 2019-nCoV case for a prolonged period of time while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment or PPE (e.g., gowns, gloves, NIOSH-certified disposable N95 respirator, eye protection); close contact can include caring for, living with, visiting, or sharing a health care waiting area or room with a 2019-nCoV case
or –
b) having direct contact with infectious secretions of a 2019-nCoV case (e.g., being coughed on) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.
2Fever may be subjective or confirmed

See CDC’s updated Interim Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Known or Patients Under Investigation for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in a Healthcare Setting (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...n-control.html).

Data to inform the definition of close contact are limited. Considera





tions when assessing close contact include the duration of exposure (e.g., longer exposure time likely increases exposure risk) and the clinical symptoms of the person with 2019-nCoV (e.g., coughing likely increases exposure risk as does exposure to a severely ill patient). Special consideration should be given to those exposed in health care settings.

3 Documentation of laboratory-confirmation of 2019-nCoV may not be possible for travelers or persons caring for patients in other countries.

4 Category also includes any member of a cluster of patients with severe acute lower respiratory illness (e.g., pneumonia, ARDS) of unknown etiology in which 2019-nCoV is being considered that requires hospitalization. Such persons should be evaluated in consultation with state and local health departments regardless of travel history.

For More Information
More information is available at the 2019 Novel Coronavirus website (Novel Coronavirus 2019, Wuhan, China | CDC) or by
calling 800-CDC-INFO | (800-232-4636) | TTY: (888) 232-6348

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) protects people’s health and safety by preventing and controlling diseases and injuries; enhances health decisions by providing credible information on critical health issues; and promotes healthy living through strong partnerships with local, national and international organizations.

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I appreciate their efforts, but their methodology has gaps.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
Community outbreak of deadly coronavirus declared in Hong Kong

Coronavirus: community outbreak declared in Hong Kong as government prepares to quarantine mainland Chinese entering city in hotels and other facilities
  • Lack of travel history in several confirmed cases convinces Professor Yuen Kwok-yung of local human-to-human transmission
  • Carrie Lam adviser says government to quarantine incoming mainland Chinese in hotels and government centres
Topic | Coronavirus outbreak


Lilian Cheng
Gary Cheung
Published: 1:15pm, 6 Feb, 2020
Updated: 5:02pm, 6 Feb, 2020

Transmission of the virus within Hong Kong shows the city is in the grip of a community outbreak, says the city’s leading authority on infectious diseases. Photo: Warton Li



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Coronavirus: community outbreak declared in Hong Kong as government prepares to quarantine mainland Chinese entering city in hotels and other facilities
  • Lack of travel history in several confirmed cases convinces Professor Yuen Kwok-yung of local human-to-human transmission
  • Carrie Lam adviser says government to quarantine incoming mainland Chinese in hotels and government centres
Topic | Coronavirus outbreak


Lilian Cheng
Gary Cheung
Published: 1:15pm, 6 Feb, 2020
Updated: 5:02pm, 6 Feb, 2020

A top microbiologist has declared a community outbreak of the deadly coronavirus in Hong Kong as a government adviser revealed mainland Chinese entering the city could be quarantined in hotels or public facilities under compulsory restrictions taking effect on Saturday.

The dreaded confirmation of a local spread came a day after the government said all travellers from the mainland, including Hong Kong residents, would be placed on a mandatory 14-day quarantine as part of its escalated response to the contagion.

The city’s administration was expected to provide more details on how that would be executed on Thursday afternoon amid uncertainty over the manpower and resources at its disposal to impose effective measures.

Professor Yuen Kwok-yung, an infectious-diseases expert, has confirmed a community outbreak of the contagion in Hong Kong. Photo: May Tse
Professor Yuen Kwok-yung, an infectious-diseases expert, has confirmed a community outbreak of the contagion in Hong Kong. Photo: May Tse


Professor Yuen Kwok-yung, a leading microbiologist and infectious-diseases expert at the University of Hong Kong, said many of the 21 patients found to be infected in Hong Kong had not visited the mainland recently.


He added it was certain a local outbreak had started and human-to-human transmission was taking place within the city. Yuen warned every measure must be taken to minimise the spread, including further border closures.


Six people in the city have been diagnosed with the coronavirus over the past two days, five of whom had not left the city recently. Of the 21 cases in total, eight were believed to have no travel history relevant to the coronavirus.


“The local transmission chain has begun, and if we do nothing to control it, Hong Kong will become like some mainland city that has suffered lots of cases,” he warned.

The priority for the 14 days from Saturday was to stop more people from the mainland with the virus entering Hong Kong, Yuen said, adding all measures must be taken to break the chain of local transmission.

As of Thursday morning, more than 28,200 people had been diagnosed with coronavirus worldwide, mostly on the mainland, with the death toll rising to 565.

Hong Kong recorded its 21st case on Wednesday. A day earlier, a 39-year-old man from Hung Hom became the first coronavirus patient to die in the city.

Yuen said transmission of the virus had proven to be very efficient, in a similar vein to the spread of seasonal flu.


“Many people blamed me earlier for exaggerating [the situation] previously, but what I said was based on scientific facts, not personal feelings,” he said, referring to previous remarks about transmission.


“Once we have a bigger outbreak, even if you do not close the border, the city will be isolated [by others]. It would be too late then.”


Border service shutdown expected to hammer MTR revenue6 Feb 2020

The virus threat has triggered panic across much of Hong Kong, with thousands queuing overnight for surgical masks on several occasions and supermarket shelves being cleared by increasingly desperate shoppers.


Yuen, who had previously urged the government to go further in closing border crossings, would not comment on whether the government’s latest interventions had come too late.


“Of course it would be good to tighten measures as soon as possible, but the government might have difficulties. We should stop criticising each other and win the war together,” he said.
Executive councillor Dr Lam Ching-choi said the government was considering asking Hongkongers to self-quarantine at home. He also said non-locals, including mainlanders, could be quarantined in their own hotel rooms or government facilities.


“We can accept it if they are staying in hotels, and hotels’ employees can even help us to see if the they obey the [quarantine] order,” Lam said. “They can call police if the visitors run away.”


But the government adviser admitted there might not be enough quarantine facilities available, adding officials were accelerating the identification of new locations such as hotels or holiday camps.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
ICU Doctor in Wuhan describe his experience

Thank you Michael Lipman for this link from Chinese news site Caixin
Feb 06, 2020 07:40 AM
Reporter’s Notebook: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU
By Xiao Hui

A front-line coronavirus doctor tells of life in death in the ICU. Photo: Xiao Hui/Caixin
(Wuhan)–In the coronavirus epidemic, doctors on the front lines take on the greatest risk and best understand the situation. Peng Zhiyong, director of acute medicine at the Wuhan University South Central Hospital, is one of those doctors.
In an interview Tuesday with Caixin, Peng described his personal experiences in first encountering the disease in early January and quickly grasping its virulent potential and the need for stringent quarantine measures.
As the contagion spread and flooded his ICU, the doctor observed that three weeks seemed to determine the difference between life and death. Patients with stronger immune systems would start to recover in a couple of weeks, but in the second week some cases would take a turn for the worse.
In the third week, keeping some of these acute patients alive might require extraordinary intervention [such as ventilator support and ECMO]. For this group, the death rate seems to be 4% -5%.
The doctors and nurses at his hospital are overwhelmed with patients. Once they don protective hazmat suits, they go without food, drink and bathroom breaks for their entire shifts. That’s because there’s aren’t enough of the suits for a mid-shift change, he said.
Over the past month on the front lines of the coronavirus battle, Peng has been brought to tears many times when forced to turn away patients for lack of staffing and beds.
Screening criteria were too tough in the beginning
Caixin: When did you encounter your first novel coronavirus patient?
Peng Zhiyong:
Jan. 6, 2020. There was a patient from Huanggang who had been refused by multiple hospitals, who was sent to the South Central Hospital emergency room. I attended the consultation. At the time, the patient’s illness was already severe, and he had difficulty breathing. I knew right then that he contracted this disease. We debated at length whether to accept the patient. If we didn’t, he had nowhere to go; if we did, there was a high likelihood the disease would infect others. We had to do a very stringent quarantine. We decided to take the patient in the end.
I called the hospital director and told him the story, including the fact that we had to clear the hospital room of other patients and to remodel it after SARS standards by setting up a “contamination area,” “buffer area,” “cleaning area,” and separate the living areas of the hospital staff from the patients’.
On Jan. 6, with the patient in the emergency room, we did quarantine remodeling in the emergency room and did major renovations to the ICU (intensive care unit). South Central Hospital’s ICU has 66 beds in total. We kept a space dedicated to coronavirus patients. I knew the infectiousness of the disease. There were bound to be more people coming in, so we set aside 16 beds. We did quarantine renovations on the infectious diseases area because respiratory illnesses are transmitted through the air, so even air has to be quarantined so that inside the rooms the air can’t escape. At the time, some said that the ICU had a limited number of beds and 16 was excessive. I said it wasn’t excessive at all.
Caixin: You predicted back in January that there would be person-to-person transmission and even took quarantine measures. Did you report the situation to higher-ups?
Peng:
This disease really did spread very fast. By Jan. 10, the 16 beds in our ICU were full. We saw how dire the situation was and told the hospital’s leadership that they had to report even higher. Our head felt it was urgent too and reported this to the Wuhan city health committee. On Jan. 12, the department sent a team of three specialists to South Central to investigate. The specialists said that clinical symptoms really resembled SARS, but they were still talking about diagnosis criteria, that kind of stuff. We replied that those standards were too stringent. Very few people would get diagnosed based on those criteria. The head of our hospital told them this multiple times during this period. I know other hospitals were doing the same.
Before this, the specialists already went to Jinyintan Hospital to investigate and made a set of diagnosis criteria. You had to have had exposure to the South China Seafood Market, you needed to have had a fever and test positive for the virus. You had to meet all three criteria in order to be diagnosed. The third one was especially stringent. In reality, very few people were able to test for a virus.
On Jan. 18, the high-level specialists from the National Health Commission came to Wuhan, to South Central Hospital to inspect. I told them again that the criteria were too high. This way it was easy to miss infections. I told them this was infectious; if you made the criteria too high and let patients go, you’re putting society in danger. After the second national team of specialists came, the criteria were changed. The number of diagnosed patients rose quickly.
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Caixin: What made you believe that the new coronavirus could be transmitted between people?Peng: Based on my clinical experience and knowledge, I believed that the disease would be an acutely infectious disease and that we had to do high-level protection. The virus isn’t going to change based on man’s will. I felt we needed to respect it and act according to science. Under my requirements, South Central Hospital’s ICU took strict quarantine measures, and as a result, our department only had two infections. As of Jan. 28, of the entire hospital’s medical personnel, only 40 have been infected. This is way less compared with other hospitals in terms of percentage of total medical staff.
It pains us to see the coronavirus develop to such a desperate state. But the priority now is to treat people; do everything we can to save people.
Fatality rate for acute patients is 4%-5%; 3 weeks determine life and death
Caixin: Based on your clinical experience, what’s the disease progression of the new coronavirus?
Peng:
A lot of viruses will die off on their own after a certain amount of time. We call these self-limited diseases. I’ve observed that the breakout period of the novel coronavirus tends to be three weeks, from the onset of symptoms to developing difficulties breathing. Basically going from mild to severe symptoms takes about a week. There are all sorts of mild symptoms: feebleness, shortness of breath, some people have fevers, some don’t. Based on studies of our 138 cases, the most common symptoms in the first stage are fever (98.6% of cases), feebleness (69.6%), cough (59.4%), muscle pains (34.8%), difficulties breathing (31.2%), while less common symptoms include headaches, dizziness, stomach pain, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting.
But some patients who enter the second week will suddenly get worse. At this stage, people should go to the hospital. Elderly with underlying conditions may develop complications; some may need machine-assisted respiration. When the body’s other organs start to fail, that’s when it becomes severe, while those with strong immune systems see their symptoms decrease in severity at this stage and gradually recover. So the second week is what determines whether the illness becomes critical.
The third week determines whether critical illness leads to death. Some in critical condition who receive treatment can raise their lymphocyte [count], a type of white blood cell, and see an improvement in their immune systems, and have been brought back, so to speak. But those whose lymphocyte numbers continue to decline, those whose immune systems are destroyed in the end, experience multiple organ failure and die. [Summary: Prolonged low lymphocyte counts in the 3rd week of illness predict death.]
For most, the illness is over in two weeks, whereas for those for whom the illness becomes severe, if they can survive three weeks they’re good. Those that can’t will die in three weeks.

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Caixin: Will you please give more details on clinical research? What percentage of cases would develop from mild conditions to severe conditions? What percentage of serious cases would develop into life-threatening cases? What is the mortality rate?Peng: Based on my clinical observations, this disease is highly contagious, but the mortality rate is low. Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases.
As of Jan. 28, of 138 cases, 36 were in the ICU, 28 recovered, five died. That is to say, the mortality rate of patients with severe conditions was 3.6%. Yesterday (Feb. 3), another patient died, bringing the mortality rate to 4.3%. Given patients in the ICU, it is likely to have more deaths. The mortality rate is also likely to edge up but not significantly.
Those hospitalized tend to have severe or life-threatening conditions. Patients with slight symptoms are placed in quarantine at home. We have not gathered data on the percentage of cases that progress from slight symptoms to serious symptoms. If a patient goes from serious conditions to life-threatening conditions, the patient will be sent to the ICU. Among 138 patients, 36 were transferred to the ICU, representing 26% of all patients. The percentage of deaths among life-threatening cases is about 15%. The mean period to go from slight conditions to life-threatening conditions is about 10 days. Twenty-eight patients recovered and were discharged. Right now, the recovery rate is 20.3% while other patients remain hospitalized.
It is notable that 12 cases were linked to South China Seafood Market; 57 were infected while being hospitalized, including 17 patients already hospitalized in other departments; and 40 medical staff, among 138 cases (as of Jan. 28). That demonstrates that a hospital is a high-risk zone and appropriate protection must be taken.
Caixin: What is the highest risk a serious patient faces?
Peng:
The biggest assault the virus launches is on a patient’s immune system. It causes a fall in the count of lymphocytes, the damage in the lungs and shortness of breath. Many serious patients died of choking. Others died of the failure of multiple organs following complications in their organs resulting from a collapse of the immune system.
Caixin: [Some patients did not appear too sick] but they died suddenly. Some experts argue that the virus triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults. Eventually excessive inflammations caused by cytokine result in the higher mortality rate. …
Peng:
Based on my observations, a third of patients exhibited inflammation in their whole body. It was not necessarily limited to young adults. The mechanism of a cytokine storm is about whole-body inflammation, which leads to a failure of multiple organs and quickly evolves into the terminal stage. In some fast-progressing cases, it took two to three days to progress from whole-body inflammation to the life-threatening stage.
Caixin: How do you treat serious and life-threatening cases?
Peng:
For serious and life-threatening cases, our main approach is to provide oxygen, high-volume oxygen. At first noninvasive machine-pumped oxygen, followed by intubated [with a ventilator] oxygen if conditions worsen. For life-threatening cases, we use ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or pumping the patient’s blood through an artificial lung machine). In four cases, we applied ECMO to rescue patients from the verge of death.
Currently there are no special drugs for the coronavirus. The primary purpose of the ICU is to help patients sustain the functions of their body. Different patients have different symptoms. In case of shortness of breath, we provided oxygen; in case of a kidney failure, we gave dialysis; in case of a coma, we deployed ECMO. We provide support wherever a patient needs it to sustain their life. Once the count of lymphocytes goes up and the immune system improves, the virus will be cleared. However, if the count of lymphocytes continues to fall, it is dangerous because the virus continues to replicate. Once a patient’s immune system is demolished, it is hard to save a patient.
[Very important negative prognostic sign: failure of the low lymphocyte count to recover.]
Caixin: There is news of some drugs that work. People are hopeful of the effect of U.S.-made remdesivir, which cured the first case in the United States. What do you think of the drugs?
Peng:
There are not 2019 novel coronavirus-targeted drugs so far. Some patients may recover after taking some drugs along with supportive treatment. But such individual cases do not indicate the universal effect of the drugs. The effect is also related to how serious each case is and their individual health conditions. People want a cure urgently, and that is understandable. But we need to be cautious.
Caixin: Do you have any advice for coronavirus-infected patients?
Peng:
The most effective approach to the virus epidemic is to control the source of the virus, stem the spread of the virus and prevent human-to-human transmission. My advice for a patient is going to a special ward for infectious diseases, early detection, early diagnosis, early quarantine and early treatment. Once it has developed into a severe case, hospitalization is a must. It is better to contain the disease at an early stage. Once it reaches the life-threatening stage, it is way more difficult to treat it and requires more medical resources. With regard to life-threatening cases, try to save them with ICU measures to reduce the mortality rate…..
Caixin: What are your work load and pace like?
Peng:
The work in the ICU is overloaded. There are three patient wards with 66 beds in South Central Hospital, housing 150 patients. Since Jan. 7 when we received the first patient, no one took any leave. We took turns to work in the ICU. Even pregnant medical staff did not take leave. After the epidemic got worse, none of the medical staff ever went home. We rest in a hotel near the hospital or in the hospital. [The medical staff working in the ward would be considered “under quarantine” after their shifts and could not go home.
In the segregated ward, we wear level-3 protective gear. One shift is 12 hours for a doctor and eight hours for a nurse. Since protective gear is in a shortage, there is only one set for a medical staff member a day. We refrain from eating or drinking during our shift because the gear is no longer protective once we go to the washroom. The gear is thick, airtight and tough on our body. It felt uncomfortable at the beginning, but we are used to it now.
Caixin: Did you experience a very dangerous moment? For example, in case of intubation, what do you do to prevent yourselves from being infected?
Peng:
It is a new coronavirus. We are not sure of its nature and its path of spread. It is not true if we say we are not afraid. Medical staff members do fear to some extent. But patients need us. When a patient is out of breath and noninvasive oxygen provision fails, we must apply intubation. The procedure is dangerous as the patient may vomit or spit. Medical staff are likely to be exposed to the danger of infection. We strictly require doctors and nurses to apply the highest-level protection. The biggest problem we face now is the shortage of protective gear. The protective stock for ICU staff is running low, although the hospital prioritizes the supply to us.
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Caixin: Is there anything that moved you in particular? Did you cry?Peng: I often cried because so many patients could not be admitted to the hospital. They wailed in front of the hospital. Some patients even knelt down to beg me to accept him into the hospital. But there was nothing I could do since all beds were occupied. I shed tears while I turned them down. I ran out of tears now. …..
The deputy director of our department told me one thing, and he cried too. Wuhan 7th Hospital is in a partnership with our hospital, South Central Hospital. The deputy director went there to help in their ICU. He found that two-thirds of the medical staff in the ICU were already infected. Doctors there were running “naked” as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That was why ICU medical staff were almost all sickened. It is too tough for our doctors and nurses.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
CaryC, I commented about a week ago that in the future (should we all make it there) we are likely to see History Channel type documentaries that show the increase in infections on one side of a split-screen with Senators throwing paper airplanes on the other side.

That isn't a criticism of either Republicans or Democrats, but it also is what it is - the world (or at least the US) is likely to remember that there were nonsensical impeachment games going on while the world was heating up to burn with the disease.

While they really are not all that related, I can't help but think that a lot of Washington DC (including the President who is human) were not distracted by the entire impeachment thing, leading to a delay in serious reactions to the danger that now faces everyone.

Yep, and if the Dems continue in any way with talk or action to try to once again go after Trump, he would be smart to bring the coronavirus topic into the spotlight and point a finger at them all, saying, "Are you going to continue to waste your time and taxpayer-paid salary with this pettiness while we're on the verge of a pandemic? Where are your priorities?" And that should shut them up. And if it doesn't, man... that gives Trump an even bigger platform to point out the childishness and incompetencies of our Democratic Party.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcwVm4_9-eM
2:35 min

Coronavirus: The economic impact

•Feb 5, 2020

They're hurting now.

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Put my tinfoil on..


Above is a news story of almost a million counterfeit one dollar bills from China.

They claim it's to hurt our economy. Wouldn't it make more sense if they wanted to really get things started in a big way, would be to infuse the bills with the virus?

^^^ Interesting to see how this continues to affect the global supply chain over the next several weeks.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCq-8WYsx5A
10:58 min

China Is “The Central Threat”: Pompeo | Coronavirus Doctors Targeted!
China Uncensored
•Feb 3, 2020

Marsh's video post above^^^ got more interesting at the 4:00 mark illustrating this is a bio-weapon below. vvv
View: https://youtu.be/uCq-8WYsx5A?t=245

RT-10:58

This is an interview with Dr. Francis Boyle. He is a professor of International Law at University of Illinois and he wrote the US Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. He is extremely concerned.


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mike

Very interesting interview above! ^^^
 

Allotrope

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I have seen people believing everything from, the WHO saying, "don't worry, be happy" to this is the plague of Nostradamus that will kill 2/3 of the world. Personally, I put 10 time the faith in Nostradamus as the WHO but my faith in the WHO is 0 so ... This supply interruption or some other future one from war, disease, civil unrest, (insert why you prep here) is likely to cause large problems anyway, so before the masses wake up, I find it reasonable to spend several hundred dollars to get things that have been mentioned here that will mostly get used anyway.

If the figures from TenCent that were quickly revised are true, the mortality rate is about 15% resulting if an eventual CFR something above that. This would explain why the Chinese Government is taking such extraordinary action. If one out of seven were to perish here, society would forever be radically changed. There is no way to really prepare for such a different world, just to be more prepared to possibly survive to that point. The March - April time frame should be either "very interesting times" or "I am quarantining because I am tired of everyone laughing".
 
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adgal

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ICU Doctor in Wuhan describe his experience

Thank you Michael Lipman for this link from Chinese news site Caixin
Feb 06, 2020 07:40 AM
Reporter’s Notebook: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU
By Xiao Hui

A front-line coronavirus doctor tells of life in death in the ICU. Photo: Xiao Hui/Caixin
(Wuhan)–In the coronavirus epidemic, doctors on the front lines take on the greatest risk and best understand the situation. Peng Zhiyong, director of acute medicine at the Wuhan University South Central Hospital, is one of those doctors.
In an interview Tuesday with Caixin, Peng described his personal experiences in first encountering the disease in early January and quickly grasping its virulent potential and the need for stringent quarantine measures.
As the contagion spread and flooded his ICU, the doctor observed that three weeks seemed to determine the difference between life and death. Patients with stronger immune systems would start to recover in a couple of weeks, but in the second week some cases would take a turn for the worse.
In the third week, keeping some of these acute patients alive might require extraordinary intervention [such as ventilator support and ECMO]. For this group, the death rate seems to be 4% -5%.
The doctors and nurses at his hospital are overwhelmed with patients. Once they don protective hazmat suits, they go without food, drink and bathroom breaks for their entire shifts. That’s because there’s aren’t enough of the suits for a mid-shift change, he said.
Over the past month on the front lines of the coronavirus battle, Peng has been brought to tears many times when forced to turn away patients for lack of staffing and beds.
Screening criteria were too tough in the beginning
Caixin: When did you encounter your first novel coronavirus patient?
Peng Zhiyong:
Jan. 6, 2020. There was a patient from Huanggang who had been refused by multiple hospitals, who was sent to the South Central Hospital emergency room. I attended the consultation. At the time, the patient’s illness was already severe, and he had difficulty breathing. I knew right then that he contracted this disease. We debated at length whether to accept the patient. If we didn’t, he had nowhere to go; if we did, there was a high likelihood the disease would infect others. We had to do a very stringent quarantine. We decided to take the patient in the end.
I called the hospital director and told him the story, including the fact that we had to clear the hospital room of other patients and to remodel it after SARS standards by setting up a “contamination area,” “buffer area,” “cleaning area,” and separate the living areas of the hospital staff from the patients’.
On Jan. 6, with the patient in the emergency room, we did quarantine remodeling in the emergency room and did major renovations to the ICU (intensive care unit). South Central Hospital’s ICU has 66 beds in total. We kept a space dedicated to coronavirus patients. I knew the infectiousness of the disease. There were bound to be more people coming in, so we set aside 16 beds. We did quarantine renovations on the infectious diseases area because respiratory illnesses are transmitted through the air, so even air has to be quarantined so that inside the rooms the air can’t escape. At the time, some said that the ICU had a limited number of beds and 16 was excessive. I said it wasn’t excessive at all.
Caixin: You predicted back in January that there would be person-to-person transmission and even took quarantine measures. Did you report the situation to higher-ups?
Peng:
This disease really did spread very fast. By Jan. 10, the 16 beds in our ICU were full. We saw how dire the situation was and told the hospital’s leadership that they had to report even higher. Our head felt it was urgent too and reported this to the Wuhan city health committee. On Jan. 12, the department sent a team of three specialists to South Central to investigate. The specialists said that clinical symptoms really resembled SARS, but they were still talking about diagnosis criteria, that kind of stuff. We replied that those standards were too stringent. Very few people would get diagnosed based on those criteria. The head of our hospital told them this multiple times during this period. I know other hospitals were doing the same.
Before this, the specialists already went to Jinyintan Hospital to investigate and made a set of diagnosis criteria. You had to have had exposure to the South China Seafood Market, you needed to have had a fever and test positive for the virus. You had to meet all three criteria in order to be diagnosed. The third one was especially stringent. In reality, very few people were able to test for a virus.
On Jan. 18, the high-level specialists from the National Health Commission came to Wuhan, to South Central Hospital to inspect. I told them again that the criteria were too high. This way it was easy to miss infections. I told them this was infectious; if you made the criteria too high and let patients go, you’re putting society in danger. After the second national team of specialists came, the criteria were changed. The number of diagnosed patients rose quickly.
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Caixin: What made you believe that the new coronavirus could be transmitted between people?Peng: Based on my clinical experience and knowledge, I believed that the disease would be an acutely infectious disease and that we had to do high-level protection. The virus isn’t going to change based on man’s will. I felt we needed to respect it and act according to science. Under my requirements, South Central Hospital’s ICU took strict quarantine measures, and as a result, our department only had two infections. As of Jan. 28, of the entire hospital’s medical personnel, only 40 have been infected. This is way less compared with other hospitals in terms of percentage of total medical staff.
It pains us to see the coronavirus develop to such a desperate state. But the priority now is to treat people; do everything we can to save people.
Fatality rate for acute patients is 4%-5%; 3 weeks determine life and death
Caixin: Based on your clinical experience, what’s the disease progression of the new coronavirus?
Peng:
A lot of viruses will die off on their own after a certain amount of time. We call these self-limited diseases. I’ve observed that the breakout period of the novel coronavirus tends to be three weeks, from the onset of symptoms to developing difficulties breathing. Basically going from mild to severe symptoms takes about a week. There are all sorts of mild symptoms: feebleness, shortness of breath, some people have fevers, some don’t. Based on studies of our 138 cases, the most common symptoms in the first stage are fever (98.6% of cases), feebleness (69.6%), cough (59.4%), muscle pains (34.8%), difficulties breathing (31.2%), while less common symptoms include headaches, dizziness, stomach pain, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting.
But some patients who enter the second week will suddenly get worse. At this stage, people should go to the hospital. Elderly with underlying conditions may develop complications; some may need machine-assisted respiration. When the body’s other organs start to fail, that’s when it becomes severe, while those with strong immune systems see their symptoms decrease in severity at this stage and gradually recover. So the second week is what determines whether the illness becomes critical.
The third week determines whether critical illness leads to death. Some in critical condition who receive treatment can raise their lymphocyte [count], a type of white blood cell, and see an improvement in their immune systems, and have been brought back, so to speak. But those whose lymphocyte numbers continue to decline, those whose immune systems are destroyed in the end, experience multiple organ failure and die. [Summary: Prolonged low lymphocyte counts in the 3rd week of illness predict death.]
For most, the illness is over in two weeks, whereas for those for whom the illness becomes severe, if they can survive three weeks they’re good. Those that can’t will die in three weeks.

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Caixin: Will you please give more details on clinical research? What percentage of cases would develop from mild conditions to severe conditions? What percentage of serious cases would develop into life-threatening cases? What is the mortality rate?Peng: Based on my clinical observations, this disease is highly contagious, but the mortality rate is low. Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases.
As of Jan. 28, of 138 cases, 36 were in the ICU, 28 recovered, five died. That is to say, the mortality rate of patients with severe conditions was 3.6%. Yesterday (Feb. 3), another patient died, bringing the mortality rate to 4.3%. Given patients in the ICU, it is likely to have more deaths. The mortality rate is also likely to edge up but not significantly.
Those hospitalized tend to have severe or life-threatening conditions. Patients with slight symptoms are placed in quarantine at home. We have not gathered data on the percentage of cases that progress from slight symptoms to serious symptoms. If a patient goes from serious conditions to life-threatening conditions, the patient will be sent to the ICU. Among 138 patients, 36 were transferred to the ICU, representing 26% of all patients. The percentage of deaths among life-threatening cases is about 15%. The mean period to go from slight conditions to life-threatening conditions is about 10 days. Twenty-eight patients recovered and were discharged. Right now, the recovery rate is 20.3% while other patients remain hospitalized.
It is notable that 12 cases were linked to South China Seafood Market; 57 were infected while being hospitalized, including 17 patients already hospitalized in other departments; and 40 medical staff, among 138 cases (as of Jan. 28). That demonstrates that a hospital is a high-risk zone and appropriate protection must be taken.
Caixin: What is the highest risk a serious patient faces?
Peng:
The biggest assault the virus launches is on a patient’s immune system. It causes a fall in the count of lymphocytes, the damage in the lungs and shortness of breath. Many serious patients died of choking. Others died of the failure of multiple organs following complications in their organs resulting from a collapse of the immune system.
Caixin: [Some patients did not appear too sick] but they died suddenly. Some experts argue that the virus triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults. Eventually excessive inflammations caused by cytokine result in the higher mortality rate. …
Peng:
Based on my observations, a third of patients exhibited inflammation in their whole body. It was not necessarily limited to young adults. The mechanism of a cytokine storm is about whole-body inflammation, which leads to a failure of multiple organs and quickly evolves into the terminal stage. In some fast-progressing cases, it took two to three days to progress from whole-body inflammation to the life-threatening stage.
Caixin: How do you treat serious and life-threatening cases?
Peng:
For serious and life-threatening cases, our main approach is to provide oxygen, high-volume oxygen. At first noninvasive machine-pumped oxygen, followed by intubated [with a ventilator] oxygen if conditions worsen. For life-threatening cases, we use ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or pumping the patient’s blood through an artificial lung machine). In four cases, we applied ECMO to rescue patients from the verge of death.
Currently there are no special drugs for the coronavirus. The primary purpose of the ICU is to help patients sustain the functions of their body. Different patients have different symptoms. In case of shortness of breath, we provided oxygen; in case of a kidney failure, we gave dialysis; in case of a coma, we deployed ECMO. We provide support wherever a patient needs it to sustain their life. Once the count of lymphocytes goes up and the immune system improves, the virus will be cleared. However, if the count of lymphocytes continues to fall, it is dangerous because the virus continues to replicate. Once a patient’s immune system is demolished, it is hard to save a patient.
[Very important negative prognostic sign: failure of the low lymphocyte count to recover.]
Caixin: There is news of some drugs that work. People are hopeful of the effect of U.S.-made remdesivir, which cured the first case in the United States. What do you think of the drugs?
Peng:
There are not 2019 novel coronavirus-targeted drugs so far. Some patients may recover after taking some drugs along with supportive treatment. But such individual cases do not indicate the universal effect of the drugs. The effect is also related to how serious each case is and their individual health conditions. People want a cure urgently, and that is understandable. But we need to be cautious.
Caixin: Do you have any advice for coronavirus-infected patients?
Peng:
The most effective approach to the virus epidemic is to control the source of the virus, stem the spread of the virus and prevent human-to-human transmission. My advice for a patient is going to a special ward for infectious diseases, early detection, early diagnosis, early quarantine and early treatment. Once it has developed into a severe case, hospitalization is a must. It is better to contain the disease at an early stage. Once it reaches the life-threatening stage, it is way more difficult to treat it and requires more medical resources. With regard to life-threatening cases, try to save them with ICU measures to reduce the mortality rate…..
Caixin: What are your work load and pace like?
Peng:
The work in the ICU is overloaded. There are three patient wards with 66 beds in South Central Hospital, housing 150 patients. Since Jan. 7 when we received the first patient, no one took any leave. We took turns to work in the ICU. Even pregnant medical staff did not take leave. After the epidemic got worse, none of the medical staff ever went home. We rest in a hotel near the hospital or in the hospital. [The medical staff working in the ward would be considered “under quarantine” after their shifts and could not go home.
In the segregated ward, we wear level-3 protective gear. One shift is 12 hours for a doctor and eight hours for a nurse. Since protective gear is in a shortage, there is only one set for a medical staff member a day. We refrain from eating or drinking during our shift because the gear is no longer protective once we go to the washroom. The gear is thick, airtight and tough on our body. It felt uncomfortable at the beginning, but we are used to it now.
Caixin: Did you experience a very dangerous moment? For example, in case of intubation, what do you do to prevent yourselves from being infected?
Peng:
It is a new coronavirus. We are not sure of its nature and its path of spread. It is not true if we say we are not afraid. Medical staff members do fear to some extent. But patients need us. When a patient is out of breath and noninvasive oxygen provision fails, we must apply intubation. The procedure is dangerous as the patient may vomit or spit. Medical staff are likely to be exposed to the danger of infection. We strictly require doctors and nurses to apply the highest-level protection. The biggest problem we face now is the shortage of protective gear. The protective stock for ICU staff is running low, although the hospital prioritizes the supply to us.
wuhan

Caixin: Is there anything that moved you in particular? Did you cry?Peng: I often cried because so many patients could not be admitted to the hospital. They wailed in front of the hospital. Some patients even knelt down to beg me to accept him into the hospital. But there was nothing I could do since all beds were occupied. I shed tears while I turned them down. I ran out of tears now. …..
The deputy director of our department told me one thing, and he cried too. Wuhan 7th Hospital is in a partnership with our hospital, South Central Hospital. The deputy director went there to help in their ICU. He found that two-thirds of the medical staff in the ICU were already infected. Doctors there were running “naked” as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That was why ICU medical staff were almost all sickened. It is too tough for our doctors and nurses.
We need to pray for the heroes in China - the medical personnel who have given their all - and often their lives.
 

Reader

Veteran Member
no other way to reduce the world population to 500 million (number from the Georgia Guidestones) without nuclear-izing the planet, apparently.

self-quarantining starting within the next week may even be too late depending on your interactions with the public (rural or urban, retired and at home usually? Working at the office every day?)

short of moving out to the igloo out back, and staying there for the next two years, looks like the chance the whole world is going to lose 1/3 (Biblically speaking...) is darned near 100%, we just can’t bring ourselves to admit it. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.
Maybe that explains the forecasted reduction in population in the USA in 2025 on deagel.com?
 

Jubilee on Earth

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Coronavirus: thousands more cruise passengers might have been exposed to deadly infection
  • Ship’s operator admits World Dream made three more trips than first revealed, as thousands remain trapped on board
  • Cruise liner returned to city after being denied entry to Kaohsiung, but that was its fourth trip after eight infected passengers had disembarked
Thousands more people than previously thought might have been exposed to the deadly coronavirus, after a cruise line admitted one of its ships had sailed four times since carrying eight mainland Chinese passengers infected with the disease.
The revelation sparked fears of a wider outbreak in Hong Kong, and came the day after three crew members were hospitalised following the vessel’s return to the city.

Hong Kong health officials said they were yet to contact about 200 passengers who took the same trip with the eight patients and disembarked in the city. They also appealed to about 5,000 passengers on the subsequent trips to call their hotline if they felt unwell.

On Thursday, almost 4,000 passengers and crew remained trapped on the World Dream at Kai Tak Cruise Terminal after it was turned away from Taiwan following the discovery it had carried the infected group during a January cruise between Hong Kong and Vietnam.

The 1,800 passengers, including 1,600 from Hong Kong and others from Britain, Australia, Canada, Taiwan, Macau and elsewhere, together with most of the other 1,800 crew members, were all still on the ship, which left the city on Sunday for its latest voyage, and was boarded by Department of Health officials on its return on Wednesday morning.

Health officials on board the World Dream cruise ship, where three mainland Chinese travellers have been diagnosed with the coronavirus, at Kai Tak Cruise Terminal. Photo: Winson Wong

Health officials on board the World Dream cruise ship, where three mainland Chinese travellers have been diagnosed with the coronavirus, at Kai Tak Cruise Terminal. Photo: Winson Wong

A 66-year-old man stranded on the ship said passengers had been told to stay in their rooms on Thursday, so government officers could check their body temperatures.

But he said no announcement had been made on whether they could go home after the check, or if they would be quarantined somewhere.

He said he wanted to go home if the checks found he was healthy, and said forcing healthy passengers to be isolated on the cruise for 14 days, as some district councillors have suggested, would expose them to the threat of becoming infected.

Some passengers on board, especially the elderly, were already running out of medication, he said, and added that he had no more pills to control his cholesterol levels. But there were still adequate supplies of food and passengers could ask for masks.

“The cruise is a confined space. It’s not ideal if we are asked to be isolated here for longer,” he said. “Many of the passengers are 50 years old or older. Some of them need drugs to control their blood pressure and they are running out of them.”

Busker Rex Lui, 56, said he joined the cruise on his own, as he could book it for less than HK$5,000 (US$640).
“Hong Kong has too many grievances, so I thought of going to Taiwan. Although Taiwan was also hit by the epidemic, it was not that serious,” Lui said.

He said he felt quite sad knowing he could not get off the vessel in Hong Kong.

“But I can’t complain. It’s my choice. The government’s arrangements are to safeguard the health of the residents,” he said.
He said the captain on Thursday told them each passenger could get a free mask daily, but Lui said he only brought enough clothes for five to six days, so he would have to wash them in the room later.

Meanwhile, project manager Michelle, 27, who was on a family trip, was worried, as she was scheduled to return to Britain next week, and was not sure if she would be quarantined.

“It’s ridiculous that the government is making a fuss now, but the company is to take the blame as well,” she said, after learning the cruise line had operated three other trips.

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“If the cases were suspected after the trip, they should have notified the passengers so we could consider the risk of our trip, even if it’s the fourth one.”

But she said staff had been cleaning the vessel throughout the journey and everyone had been wearing masks, so she was “less worried that I will catch the virus”.

Dream Cruises, the ship’s operator, confirmed to the Post it had carried three groups of travellers between the eight infected passengers’ disembarkation and the ship’s departure for Taiwan on February 2, carrying 3,600 passengers and crew. It said it had not deliberately concealed information about the trips.

“The information we disclosed [on Wednesday] mainly focused on the timeline of the [current] incident, and a series of things happened after we received the authorities’ notification [about the infections] on February 3,” it said. “It was not that we intentionally did not mention the trips.”

Officials spent Wednesday conducting health checks on the passengers and crew of World Dream, and have said they will only be allowed to leave the vessel when they give the all-clear.

As of Wednesday evening, 33 crew members claimed to have developed symptoms of an upper respiratory tract infection. All tested negative for the coronavirus. But the cruise company said on Thursday evening a Nepali crew member developed fever and was sent to hospital.

The Centre for Health Protection said one passenger had fever and had been sent to hospital by 8pm, while eight others reported mild respiratory symptoms.

On January 19, the cruise first sailed from Hong Kong to Nansha port in Guangzhou, before going to Vietnam, carrying more than 4,000 passengers at the time. It returned to Guangzhou and Hong Kong on January 24, when the eight infected passengers disembarked.

The cruise company was first informed by Chinese authorities on Monday that three mainland Chinese passengers on the trip were found to be infected with the virus. Five more cases were later confirmed.

When the company was informed of the sick travellers, the same cruise was already carrying 3,600 passengers and crew from Hong Kong to Kaohsiung, Taiwan.

On Tuesday, the Taiwanese government refused World Dream permission to dock in Kaohsiung, although it had already docked briefly in Keelung, where those on board were allowed to disembark.

In outlining the other three trips the vessel had taken, the cruise operator said on the day the eight infected passengers left, the ship returned to Hong Kong and sailed to the South China Sea on a “weekend escape”, returning two days later on January 26.

That same day, the vessel again left Hong Kong and sailed to Manila, in the Philippines, where passengers were allowed to land. It returned to Hong Kong on January 31.

The third trip, starting on the same day, saw the cruise return to the South China Sea and arrive back in Hong Kong on February 2.

On Thursday, Dream Cruises said it could not tell if the same crew members worked all of the trips, including those with the infected passengers. Nor could it confirm the number of travellers and crew members on the unreported voyages.

Passengers wave from the deck of the World Dream, which is docked at Kai Tak Cruise Terminal. Photo: Winson Wong

Passengers wave from the deck of the World Dream, which is docked at Kai Tak Cruise Terminal. Photo: Winson Wong
 

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adgal

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Fair use cited:


Coronavirus Impacting Missionary Service In Hong Kong
113 Missionaries will be transferring out of the China Hong Kong mission in the next few days.
Updated February 5, 2020

The Church issued the following updated statement regarding missionaries being transferred from Hong Kong and Macau:

The Church continues to monitor developments with the coronavirus. Overnight, we have learned that some of the missionaries leaving the China Hong Kong Mission will not undergo quarantine at a government facility as previously believed. Therefore, these 17 missionaries (who are citizens of the Philippines) will be isolated and separated from contact with other missionaries for 14 days at the missionary training center in Manila before departing for their new assignments or returning home.
The Church feels an important responsibility to do all we can to help these missionaries stay healthy and avoid even the remote possibility of spreading the virus. Staff at the missionary training center will work carefully to meet all the needs of these missionaries while they are there and to keep themselves and other missionaries safe by following proper health protocols.
As we have noted previously, for several days prior to leaving Hong Kong, all missionaries have rigorously followed preventative health practices to avoid illness including remaining in their apartments as much as possible, not engaging in teaching, wearing masks, and frequently washing their hands. Therefore, the likelihood of any of these missionaries having contracted the coronavirus is very low. Additionally, each missionary was required to show no symptoms before leaving Hong Kong.

Posted February 4, 2020

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has released the following statement:
In light of the coronavirus and the increasing difficulty of conducting missionary work in Hong Kong and Macau, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is transferring 113 missionaries out of the China Hong Kong Mission over the next few days. These missionaries will be temporarily reassigned to other missions or, if they were nearing their scheduled release date, will return home and be honorably released. Twelve additional missionaries who are from Hong Kong will return to their homes and be released from service until the situation has stabilized.
Prior to being reassigned, out of an abundance of caution, most missionaries will return to their homes and follow guidelines from the World Health Organization, including to self-isolate for 14 days. Where required, they will undergo a government-mandated quarantine at a government facility based on the guidelines established by their home countries. Families are receiving instructions about how to carry this out. After the 14 days, if the missionaries continue to show no signs of coronavirus, they will depart for their new temporary assignments.
It is important to note that for several days prior to leaving Hong Kong, all missionaries have rigorously followed preventative health practices to avoid illness including remaining in their apartments as much as possible, not engaging in teaching, wearing masks, and frequently washing their hands. Therefore, the likelihood of any of these missionaries having contracted the coronavirus is very low. Additionally, each missionary is required to show no symptoms before leaving Hong Kong.
The Church has a special responsibility to care for our missionaries who are serving as volunteers, but we are also working to support members, employees, and other Church personnel in Hong Kong and other areas where the coronavirus is a concern. We sincerely pray for all those who are dealing with this virus as well as those who live in places where it is impacting their daily lives. The Church will continue to follow developments closely and make any further adjustments as needed.
 

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adgal

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Prepping - four days ago I took a used plastic container that I purchased Spring Mix in, filled it with potting soil and added butternut lettuce seeds. It's like a mini-greenhouse. I'm already seeing little sprouts. Even though I have canned and frozen vegetables, I thought that some fresh greens would be important. I also started soaking wheat berries yesterday, in order to grow wheatgrass which is very high in many vitamins, including vitamin C.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Perhaps the cruise ship quarantines will be the canaries in the coal mines. Once we know how many of the passengers walk off - healthy, we would have a good idea of the mortality rates.

Soon as they realize the virus was aboard, they lock people in cabins to limit interaction. So it's not a good measure of infectivity across a population that's out and about. It would give a good measure of the lethality among the infected, but by the time they die they will be off the ship and the numbers will be buried inside HIPAA walls, known to the government but not to you hoi polloi.
 

adgal

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Soon as they realize the virus was aboard, they lock people in cabins to limit interaction. So it's not a good measure of infectivity across a population that's out and about. It would give a good measure of the lethality among the infected, but by the time they die they will be off the ship and the numbers will be buried inside HIPAA walls, known to the government but not to you hoi polloi.
It seems that all the air on a cruise ship is "shared."

Indoor Air Quality
Indoor Air Quality (IAQ) plays an increasingly important role, as airborne diseases are a common problem on cruise ships. We take several measures to prevent health issues and humidity related, focusing on the prevention of transmission and spread of particulates and microbial contaminants through the HVAC infrastructure. To meet USPH requirements, our air handling units are equipped with access panels and designed and installed to be accessible for periodic inspections and air intake filter changing. The condensate collection pans are readily accessible for inspection, cleaning and maintenance."


So, I wonder if one of those periodic inspections happened to this ship. And I'm wondering if the air intake filters can block out coronavirus. If not, locking people into rooms is not going to do them any good.

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jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
I always try to be optimistic. It would appear this virus will be very active in large metropolitan areas. So a positive aspect of it is that all of the top metropolitan areas by population are liberal.

yeah, so there’s that of course, but ultimately unless you are in the backwood you could still get it from your grandkids who just came back from their class trip to the museum in the big city, and now they are safely back home in the countryside, visiting Grammy and grampa...
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
It seems that all the air on a cruise ship is "shared." ... locking people into rooms is not going to do them any good.

I believe that. They have to be seen to be doing something.

I'm still waiting for cruise lines to shut down. This multi-trip fiasco is unreal. There have to be some heated boardroom discussions going on right now, with the insurance companies weighing in pretty heavily. Insurance companies drive policy more than you might think.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
This is an accidental release. The CDC is at least bright enough to know quarantining cities won't work.

really? Since all the victims seem to be Chinese worldwide, I am starting to wonder if somebody else released it in China, and just who China might decide to return the favor to...
 

GammaRat

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Coronavirus in the United States: Cases by State - Worldometer

StateCasesSexAgeDateCase #LocationSource
Washington1M30sJan. 211stSnohomish[7]
Illinois2F60sJan. 242ndChicago[8]
Illinois1M60sJan. 306thChicago[12]
California2unkn.unkn.Jan. 263rd,4thOrange C., L.A.[9]
California1MadultJan. 317thSanta Clara C.[17][18]
California1Funkn.Feb. 29thSanta Clara C.
California1M57Feb. 210San Benito C.
California1F57Feb. 211San Benito C.
Massachusetts1M20sFeb. 18thBoston[16]
Wisconsin112Madison
Arizona1unkn.studentJan. 265thMaricopa County
 
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ICU Doctor in Wuhan describe his experience

Thank you Michael Lipman for this link from Chinese news site Caixin
Feb 06, 2020 07:40 AM
Reporter’s Notebook: Life and Death in a Wuhan Coronavirus ICU
By Xiao Hui

A front-line coronavirus doctor tells of life in death in the ICU. Photo: Xiao Hui/Caixin
(Wuhan)–In the coronavirus epidemic, doctors on the front lines take on the greatest risk and best understand the situation. Peng Zhiyong, director of acute medicine at the Wuhan University South Central Hospital, is one of those doctors.
In an interview Tuesday with Caixin, Peng described his personal experiences in first encountering the disease in early January and quickly grasping its virulent potential and the need for stringent quarantine measures.
As the contagion spread and flooded his ICU, the doctor observed that three weeks seemed to determine the difference between life and death. Patients with stronger immune systems would start to recover in a couple of weeks, but in the second week some cases would take a turn for the worse.
In the third week, keeping some of these acute patients alive might require extraordinary intervention [such as ventilator support and ECMO]. For this group, the death rate seems to be 4% -5%.
The doctors and nurses at his hospital are overwhelmed with patients. Once they don protective hazmat suits, they go without food, drink and bathroom breaks for their entire shifts. That’s because there’s aren’t enough of the suits for a mid-shift change, he said.
Over the past month on the front lines of the coronavirus battle, Peng has been brought to tears many times when forced to turn away patients for lack of staffing and beds.
Screening criteria were too tough in the beginning
Caixin: When did you encounter your first novel coronavirus patient?
Peng Zhiyong:
Jan. 6, 2020. There was a patient from Huanggang who had been refused by multiple hospitals, who was sent to the South Central Hospital emergency room. I attended the consultation. At the time, the patient’s illness was already severe, and he had difficulty breathing. I knew right then that he contracted this disease. We debated at length whether to accept the patient. If we didn’t, he had nowhere to go; if we did, there was a high likelihood the disease would infect others. We had to do a very stringent quarantine. We decided to take the patient in the end.
I called the hospital director and told him the story, including the fact that we had to clear the hospital room of other patients and to remodel it after SARS standards by setting up a “contamination area,” “buffer area,” “cleaning area,” and separate the living areas of the hospital staff from the patients’.
On Jan. 6, with the patient in the emergency room, we did quarantine remodeling in the emergency room and did major renovations to the ICU (intensive care unit). South Central Hospital’s ICU has 66 beds in total. We kept a space dedicated to coronavirus patients. I knew the infectiousness of the disease. There were bound to be more people coming in, so we set aside 16 beds. We did quarantine renovations on the infectious diseases area because respiratory illnesses are transmitted through the air, so even air has to be quarantined so that inside the rooms the air can’t escape. At the time, some said that the ICU had a limited number of beds and 16 was excessive. I said it wasn’t excessive at all.
Caixin: You predicted back in January that there would be person-to-person transmission and even took quarantine measures. Did you report the situation to higher-ups?
Peng:
This disease really did spread very fast. By Jan. 10, the 16 beds in our ICU were full. We saw how dire the situation was and told the hospital’s leadership that they had to report even higher. Our head felt it was urgent too and reported this to the Wuhan city health committee. On Jan. 12, the department sent a team of three specialists to South Central to investigate. The specialists said that clinical symptoms really resembled SARS, but they were still talking about diagnosis criteria, that kind of stuff. We replied that those standards were too stringent. Very few people would get diagnosed based on those criteria. The head of our hospital told them this multiple times during this period. I know other hospitals were doing the same.
Before this, the specialists already went to Jinyintan Hospital to investigate and made a set of diagnosis criteria. You had to have had exposure to the South China Seafood Market, you needed to have had a fever and test positive for the virus. You had to meet all three criteria in order to be diagnosed. The third one was especially stringent. In reality, very few people were able to test for a virus.
On Jan. 18, the high-level specialists from the National Health Commission came to Wuhan, to South Central Hospital to inspect. I told them again that the criteria were too high. This way it was easy to miss infections. I told them this was infectious; if you made the criteria too high and let patients go, you’re putting society in danger. After the second national team of specialists came, the criteria were changed. The number of diagnosed patients rose quickly.
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Caixin: What made you believe that the new coronavirus could be transmitted between people?Peng: Based on my clinical experience and knowledge, I believed that the disease would be an acutely infectious disease and that we had to do high-level protection. The virus isn’t going to change based on man’s will. I felt we needed to respect it and act according to science. Under my requirements, South Central Hospital’s ICU took strict quarantine measures, and as a result, our department only had two infections. As of Jan. 28, of the entire hospital’s medical personnel, only 40 have been infected. This is way less compared with other hospitals in terms of percentage of total medical staff.
It pains us to see the coronavirus develop to such a desperate state. But the priority now is to treat people; do everything we can to save people.
Fatality rate for acute patients is 4%-5%; 3 weeks determine life and death
Caixin: Based on your clinical experience, what’s the disease progression of the new coronavirus?
Peng:
A lot of viruses will die off on their own after a certain amount of time. We call these self-limited diseases. I’ve observed that the breakout period of the novel coronavirus tends to be three weeks, from the onset of symptoms to developing difficulties breathing. Basically going from mild to severe symptoms takes about a week. There are all sorts of mild symptoms: feebleness, shortness of breath, some people have fevers, some don’t. Based on studies of our 138 cases, the most common symptoms in the first stage are fever (98.6% of cases), feebleness (69.6%), cough (59.4%), muscle pains (34.8%), difficulties breathing (31.2%), while less common symptoms include headaches, dizziness, stomach pain, diarrhea, nausea, vomiting.
But some patients who enter the second week will suddenly get worse. At this stage, people should go to the hospital. Elderly with underlying conditions may develop complications; some may need machine-assisted respiration. When the body’s other organs start to fail, that’s when it becomes severe, while those with strong immune systems see their symptoms decrease in severity at this stage and gradually recover. So the second week is what determines whether the illness becomes critical.
The third week determines whether critical illness leads to death. Some in critical condition who receive treatment can raise their lymphocyte [count], a type of white blood cell, and see an improvement in their immune systems, and have been brought back, so to speak. But those whose lymphocyte numbers continue to decline, those whose immune systems are destroyed in the end, experience multiple organ failure and die. [Summary: Prolonged low lymphocyte counts in the 3rd week of illness predict death.]
For most, the illness is over in two weeks, whereas for those for whom the illness becomes severe, if they can survive three weeks they’re good. Those that can’t will die in three weeks.

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Caixin: Will you please give more details on clinical research? What percentage of cases would develop from mild conditions to severe conditions? What percentage of serious cases would develop into life-threatening cases? What is the mortality rate?Peng: Based on my clinical observations, this disease is highly contagious, but the mortality rate is low. Those that progressed into the life-threatening stage often occurred in the elderly already with chronic diseases.
As of Jan. 28, of 138 cases, 36 were in the ICU, 28 recovered, five died. That is to say, the mortality rate of patients with severe conditions was 3.6%. Yesterday (Feb. 3), another patient died, bringing the mortality rate to 4.3%. Given patients in the ICU, it is likely to have more deaths. The mortality rate is also likely to edge up but not significantly.
Those hospitalized tend to have severe or life-threatening conditions. Patients with slight symptoms are placed in quarantine at home. We have not gathered data on the percentage of cases that progress from slight symptoms to serious symptoms. If a patient goes from serious conditions to life-threatening conditions, the patient will be sent to the ICU. Among 138 patients, 36 were transferred to the ICU, representing 26% of all patients. The percentage of deaths among life-threatening cases is about 15%. The mean period to go from slight conditions to life-threatening conditions is about 10 days. Twenty-eight patients recovered and were discharged. Right now, the recovery rate is 20.3% while other patients remain hospitalized.
It is notable that 12 cases were linked to South China Seafood Market; 57 were infected while being hospitalized, including 17 patients already hospitalized in other departments; and 40 medical staff, among 138 cases (as of Jan. 28). That demonstrates that a hospital is a high-risk zone and appropriate protection must be taken.
Caixin: What is the highest risk a serious patient faces?
Peng:
The biggest assault the virus launches is on a patient’s immune system. It causes a fall in the count of lymphocytes, the damage in the lungs and shortness of breath. Many serious patients died of choking. Others died of the failure of multiple organs following complications in their organs resulting from a collapse of the immune system.
Caixin: [Some patients did not appear too sick] but they died suddenly. Some experts argue that the virus triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults. Eventually excessive inflammations caused by cytokine result in the higher mortality rate. …
Peng:
Based on my observations, a third of patients exhibited inflammation in their whole body. It was not necessarily limited to young adults. The mechanism of a cytokine storm is about whole-body inflammation, which leads to a failure of multiple organs and quickly evolves into the terminal stage. In some fast-progressing cases, it took two to three days to progress from whole-body inflammation to the life-threatening stage.
Caixin: How do you treat serious and life-threatening cases?
Peng:
For serious and life-threatening cases, our main approach is to provide oxygen, high-volume oxygen. At first noninvasive machine-pumped oxygen, followed by intubated [with a ventilator] oxygen if conditions worsen. For life-threatening cases, we use ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or pumping the patient’s blood through an artificial lung machine). In four cases, we applied ECMO to rescue patients from the verge of death.
Currently there are no special drugs for the coronavirus. The primary purpose of the ICU is to help patients sustain the functions of their body. Different patients have different symptoms. In case of shortness of breath, we provided oxygen; in case of a kidney failure, we gave dialysis; in case of a coma, we deployed ECMO. We provide support wherever a patient needs it to sustain their life. Once the count of lymphocytes goes up and the immune system improves, the virus will be cleared. However, if the count of lymphocytes continues to fall, it is dangerous because the virus continues to replicate. Once a patient’s immune system is demolished, it is hard to save a patient.
[Very important negative prognostic sign: failure of the low lymphocyte count to recover.]
Caixin: There is news of some drugs that work. People are hopeful of the effect of U.S.-made remdesivir, which cured the first case in the United States. What do you think of the drugs?
Peng:
There are not 2019 novel coronavirus-targeted drugs so far. Some patients may recover after taking some drugs along with supportive treatment. But such individual cases do not indicate the universal effect of the drugs. The effect is also related to how serious each case is and their individual health conditions. People want a cure urgently, and that is understandable. But we need to be cautious.
Caixin: Do you have any advice for coronavirus-infected patients?
Peng:
The most effective approach to the virus epidemic is to control the source of the virus, stem the spread of the virus and prevent human-to-human transmission. My advice for a patient is going to a special ward for infectious diseases, early detection, early diagnosis, early quarantine and early treatment. Once it has developed into a severe case, hospitalization is a must. It is better to contain the disease at an early stage. Once it reaches the life-threatening stage, it is way more difficult to treat it and requires more medical resources. With regard to life-threatening cases, try to save them with ICU measures to reduce the mortality rate…..
Caixin: What are your work load and pace like?
Peng:
The work in the ICU is overloaded. There are three patient wards with 66 beds in South Central Hospital, housing 150 patients. Since Jan. 7 when we received the first patient, no one took any leave. We took turns to work in the ICU. Even pregnant medical staff did not take leave. After the epidemic got worse, none of the medical staff ever went home. We rest in a hotel near the hospital or in the hospital. [The medical staff working in the ward would be considered “under quarantine” after their shifts and could not go home.
In the segregated ward, we wear level-3 protective gear. One shift is 12 hours for a doctor and eight hours for a nurse. Since protective gear is in a shortage, there is only one set for a medical staff member a day. We refrain from eating or drinking during our shift because the gear is no longer protective once we go to the washroom. The gear is thick, airtight and tough on our body. It felt uncomfortable at the beginning, but we are used to it now.
Caixin: Did you experience a very dangerous moment? For example, in case of intubation, what do you do to prevent yourselves from being infected?
Peng:
It is a new coronavirus. We are not sure of its nature and its path of spread. It is not true if we say we are not afraid. Medical staff members do fear to some extent. But patients need us. When a patient is out of breath and noninvasive oxygen provision fails, we must apply intubation. The procedure is dangerous as the patient may vomit or spit. Medical staff are likely to be exposed to the danger of infection. We strictly require doctors and nurses to apply the highest-level protection. The biggest problem we face now is the shortage of protective gear. The protective stock for ICU staff is running low, although the hospital prioritizes the supply to us.
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Caixin: Is there anything that moved you in particular? Did you cry?Peng: I often cried because so many patients could not be admitted to the hospital. They wailed in front of the hospital. Some patients even knelt down to beg me to accept him into the hospital. But there was nothing I could do since all beds were occupied. I shed tears while I turned them down. I ran out of tears now. …..
The deputy director of our department told me one thing, and he cried too. Wuhan 7th Hospital is in a partnership with our hospital, South Central Hospital. The deputy director went there to help in their ICU. He found that two-thirds of the medical staff in the ICU were already infected. Doctors there were running “naked” as they knew they were set to be infected given the shortage of protective gear. They still worked there nonetheless. That was why ICU medical staff were almost all sickened. It is too tough for our doctors and nurses.
Very helpful interesting and informative interview. It's a shame that at the end stage they have to use ECMO to save patients. ECMO I've heard can cost as much as $70,000 a day, and is also labor intensive in a hospital. So it might not be available to lots of people in an overwhelmed hospital.
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
A lot of people are going to wish they adopted prepping as a lifestyle. Two weeks ago already we were pleading with anyone who was reading here to source what you need. The U.S. is not familiar with bare store shelves but it will be. We are going to rue the day that we depend on China for half the stuff in the stores.
Preppers better think about defence as well.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Prepping - four days ago I took a used plastic container that I purchased Spring Mix in, filled it with potting soil and added butternut lettuce seeds. It's like a mini-greenhouse. I'm already seeing little sprouts. Even though I have canned and frozen vegetables, I thought that some fresh greens would be important. I also started soaking wheat berries yesterday, in order to grow wheatgrass which is very high in many vitamins, including vitamin C.

That sounds like a good prep!

Here's an interesting study regarding the use of Elderberry to mitigate the spread of a coronavirus, in this case in a veterinary study regarding the spread of Infectious bronchitis virus (IBV) a highly infectious disease in poultry.

Understand, this is in reference to a different coronavirus which infects a different species, and may or may not have applicability to the NCoV now causing such trouble. This is not medical advice, and posted only for its information which may prove useful for further research.


The report is quite long, but some excerpted info from the paper:

"Virus titers from infected cells treated with R. rosea and N. sativa extracts were not substantially different from infected cells treated with solvent alone. However, treatment with S. nigra extracts reduced virus titers by four orders of magnitude at a multiplicity of infection (MOI) of 1 in a dose-responsive manner. Infection at a low MOI reduced viral titers by six orders of magnitude and pretreatment of virus was necessary, but not sufficient, for full virus inhibition. Electron microscopy of virions treated with S. nigra extract showed compromised envelopes and the presence of membrane vesicles, which suggested a mechanism of action.

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Conclusions
Taken together, our studies have identified a plant extract from Sambucus nigra with previously unknown inhibitory effects against IBV. We have also identified the likely mechanism of this inhibition. Our results could potentially lead to effective treatments or prevention of IBV or similar coronaviruses."


Info regarding IBV:


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Avian infectious bronchitis virus (IBV) is a coronavirus which infects chickens, causing the associated disease, infectious bronchitis (IB). It is a highly infectious avian pathogen which affects the respiratory tract, gut, kidney and reproductive systems of chickens.[1][2]

There is also evidence that IBV can infect other avian species. IBV affects the performance of both meat producing and egg producing chickens and is responsible for substantial economic loss within the poultry industry.[3]"
 
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1911user

Veteran Member
Harbor Freight still has nitrile gloves in stock. I know that the discussion has revolved around masks, but nitrile gloves are also an important measure to take to avoid infection along with social distancing.

Even though there are no dogs in the dog park doesn't mean you're not going to step in a steaming pile of poop if you walk through. Same thing applies to a virus since you don't know where it has been deposited by an infected individual.
Medical Gear Outfitters (med supplies sold by Skinny Medic from youtube) still has blue, and tactical black :), nitrile gloves in stock. I placed an order this morning and received the tracking# and notice that it ships today. See the link below.

 
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Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That sounds like a good prep!

Here's an interesting study regarding the use of Elderberry to mitigate the spread of a coronavirus, in this case in a veterinary study regarding the spread of Infectious bronchitis virus (IBV) a highly infectious disease in poultry.

Understand, this is in reference to a different coronavirus which infects a different species, and may or may not have applicability to the NCoV now causing such trouble. This is not medical advice, and posted only for its information which may prove useful for further research.


The report is quite long, but some excerpted info from the paper:

"Virus titers from infected cells treated with R. rosea and N. sativa extracts were not substantially different from infected cells treated with solvent alone. However, treatment with S. nigra extracts reduced virus titers by four orders of magnitude at a multiplicity of infection (MOI) of 1 in a dose-responsive manner. Infection at a low MOI reduced viral titers by six orders of magnitude and pretreatment of virus was necessary, but not sufficient, for full virus inhibition. Electron microscopy of virions treated with S. nigra extract showed compromised envelopes and the presence of membrane vesicles, which suggested a mechanism of action.

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Conclusions
Taken together, our studies have identified a plant extract from Sambucus nigra with previously unknown inhibitory effects against IBV. We have also identified the likely mechanism of this inhibition. Our results could potentially lead to effective treatments or prevention of IBV or similar coronaviruses."


Info regarding IBV:


"
Avian infectious bronchitis virus (IBV) is a coronavirus which infects chickens, causing the associated disease, infectious bronchitis (IB). It is a highly infectious avian pathogen which affects the respiratory tract, gut, kidney and reproductive systems of chickens.[1][2]

There is also evidence that IBV can infect other avian species. IBV affects the performance of both meat producing and egg producing chickens and is responsible for substantial economic loss within the poultry industry.[3]"

I wonder what soaking the cotton mask cover/balaclava in salt infused Elderberry juice and then drying would do?
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Now he's daid again. Says he died at 2:58 a.m. tomorrow. I don't know. :rolleyes:


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Translation of what's under the second Ma Huaqing above:

# 武汉 中心 医院 Affirmation # 李文亮 Doctor died for a long time. Rest in peace, Dr. Li Wenliang! May Heaven not have the evil forces that abuse public power to maintain stability!
 
Put my tinfoil on..


Above is a news story of almost a million counterfeit one dollar bills from China.

They claim it's to hurt our economy. Wouldn't it make more sense if they wanted to really get things started in a big way, would be to infuse the bills with the virus?
SINGLES????? to tip strippers?????? what the heck!
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Now he's daid again. Says he died at 2:58 a.m. tomorrow. I don't know. :rolleyes:


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Translation of what's under the second Ma Huaqing above:

# 武汉 中心 医院 Affirmation # 李文亮 Doctor died for a long time. Rest in peace, Dr. Li Wenliang! May Heaven not have the evil forces that abuse public power to maintain stability!

4:12 AM
Friday, February 7, 2020 (GMT+8)
Time in Wuhan, Hubei, China
 
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