CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

1911user

Veteran Member
Put in black box and set in sun......
From this jward post this morning: http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/main-coronavirus-thread.566780/post-7573800

At the same time, polypropylene meltblown materials (Filter Material) have very thin fibers, which are ten times thinner than hair, with an average of only two microns. They are not resistant to high temperatures. When the temperature is higher than 80 ° C, they will shrink and deform, resulting in structural damage and reduced protective effects.

This is why I don't want to use heat, only time and exposure to room temp, dry air.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I don't know if boiling would be a good idea?

The filter on N95 and N99 masks is made up of several layers, each one designed to trap whatever bad mojo you are trying to keep in/out. The masks degrade quickly as more moisture is accumulated in the filters, which is why the better masks have the breathing vent.

I may be wrong but boiling the mask will completely destroy the filters in the mask and drying does not work make the filters effective, again.
I have some cotton surgical masks that would stand up to boiling. In a pinch, I might try experimenting with them and the salt mask concept.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
80 C is moving to 165ish. That's pretty dang warm if yer trying to heat something to that point.
Like inside a sealed black box set in the sun? as suggested above

One thing to consider is I'm not trying to reuse a single mask day after day.
I do not need to kill the virus iquickly and chance damaging the filter materials.

If someone could reuse a mask for a day every 2 weeks, that would help stretch the supply.
 
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TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
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Go to see this, just posted on Twitter. The paper hasn't been published yet.

NovelCoronaVirus
@BreakingNovel


UK researchers whose earlier estimates of higher # of virus cases turned out correct now believe there are up to 50,000 new infections a day happening in China. See 0:38 of video. #coronavirus #2019nCoV
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Um, he is sitting there making a triangle with his hands in that screenshot. Therefore I will skip it.
 
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Young coronavirus doctor dies of heart attack after working 10 days straight
Frank Chung and AFP, news.com.au
February 6, 2020 12:54pm
A young Chinese doctor has died of a heart attack after working for 10 days straight on the front lines of the coronavirus outbreak.

Song Yingjie, a team leader at a local medical clinic in Hunan province, which borders the Hubei province at the centre of the outbreak, had worked non-stop since January 25.

The 27-year-old from Hengshan County was in charge of giving temperature checks on a motorway to drivers and passengers, as well as distributing medical supplies.

Mr Song died in the early hours of Monday after returning to his dorm, the Hengyang city government said on its official social media account on Tuesday.

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It comes as the official death toll from the outbreak rises to 564, after Chinese authorities reported a record 70 new deaths in one day and a further 2987 confirmed cases.

Worldwide there are now more than 28,000 confirmed cases, including 14 in Australia.

Mr Song’s older sister, who is currently stranded in Wuhan where the outbreak started, told a local news outlet her brother was “outstanding” and “thoughtful”, The Daily Mail reports.

“He always helped with housework at home and was regarded highly at work by his boss,’ she said. “His passing is really devastated news to our family.”


His father said, “My daughter is in Wuhan and can’t come back. It’s on lockdown. You asked me if I am worried, of course I am. Then my son worked (as a medic) on the highway. You asked me if I am scared … Now he died, I am heartbroken.”

Song Yingjie, 27, died after returning to his dorm on Monday.

Song Yingjie, 27, died after returning to his dorm on Monday.

He had been working on a motorway giving temperature checks.

He had been working on a motorway giving temperature checks.

Chinese health workers have been hailed as heroes as the outbreak overwhelms resources.

Chinese health workers have been hailed as heroes as the outbreak overwhelms resources.

NEWBORN BABY INFECTED

Authorities in China have warned they face a severe shortage of hospital beds and equipment needed to treat a growing number of patients stricken by the new coronavirus, which has spiralled into a global health emergency.

Among the cases reported in China are a newborn baby, diagnosed just 30 hours after being born. Despite authorities building a hospital from scratch and converting public buildings to accommodate thousands of extra patients, there was still a “severe” lack of beds, said Hu Lishan, an official in Wuhan, the quarantined city where the virus first appeared — and where doctors are now overwhelmed with cases.

There was also a shortage of “equipment and materials”, he told reporters, adding that officials were looking to convert other hotels and schools in the city into treatment centres.

A growing number of cities have imposed a range of restrictions far from Hubei, as authorities battle to contain the virus.

Tens of millions of people, from the eastern industrial heartlands to near the northern border with Russia, have been told to stay indoors as authorities battle to curb the outbreak.

Global concerns have risen after the World Health Organisation declared an international health emergency last week.

The WHO called for $US675 million in donations for a plan to fight the novel coronavirus, mainly through investment in countries considered particularly “at risk”.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation pledged to commit up to $US100 million. New cases emerged abroad, with 10 people testing positive for the virus on a cruise ship quarantined off the coast of Japan with thousands on board.

Also in Japan, the chief executive of the Tokyo Olympics set for later this year admitted organisers were “extremely worried” about how the virus could affect the Summer Games, but the International Olympic Committee urged calm.

Italy announced that passengers from every international flight would be scanned for fevers, while Vietnam joined a growing list of countries banning arrivals from China.

Hong Kong, which reported its first coronavirus death this week, said anyone arriving from the mainland would face a mandatory two-week quarantine from Saturday.

A woman shops at an Alibaba supermarket in Hangzhou. Picture: Noel Celis/AFP

A woman shops at an Alibaba supermarket in Hangzhou. Picture: Noel Celis/AFP

‘DON’T GO OUT!’

In the city of Hangzhou, some 175km southwest of Shanghai, fences blocked streets near the headquarters of Chinese tech giant Alibaba — one of the world’s most valuable companies — as a fighter jet circled overhead.

The building appeared to be shut down, while deliverymen moved in and out of nearby fenced-in residential areas to drop off groceries.

The firm is based in one of three Hangzhou districts subject to new restrictions that allow only one person per household to go outside every two days to buy necessities.

“Please don’t go out. Don’t go out. Don’t go out!” blared a message on a loudspeaker urging people to wear masks, wash their hands regularly and report any people who are from Hubei — reflecting a common fear that people from the province might infect others.

At least three other cities in Zhejiang province — Taizhou, Wenzhou and parts of Ningbo — have imposed the same measures, affecting 18 million people.

In the central city of Zhumadian, authorities said one person would be allowed to leave each household only every five days.

Residents of the city of seven million were also offered cash rewards for informing on people who came from neighbouring Hubei province.

Authorities in Beijing said restaurants could no longer accept reservations for parties from Wednesday.

People on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan have the virus. Picture: Kazuhiro Nogi/AFP

People on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan have the virus. Picture: Kazuhiro Nogi/AFP

JITTERS

The disease is believed to have emerged in December in a Wuhan market that sold wild animals and spread rapidly as people travelled for the Lunar New Year holiday in January.

The Ministry of Public Security said “political security” was the “top priority” in confronting the epidemic.

The statement came days after the top leadership admitted “shortcomings” in its handling of the outbreak — local authorities in Hubei have been criticised for initially downplaying the situation.

The death toll has steadily increased, but officials have noted that the death rate, at about 2 per cent, is well below the mortality rate of SARS, which killed some 800 people in 2002-2003.

Two fatalities have been reported outside the mainland, in Hong Kong and the Philippines.

Several governments have imposed travel restrictions while major airlines have suspended flights to and from China.

Thousands of Chinese tourists risked being stranded in Bali after the Indonesian government suspended flights to and from mainland China.

China has reacted angrily against travel bans, noting that the WHO does not advise imposing them.

It has accused the US of spreading “panic” in its response to the coronavirus, including its ban on Chinese travellers, and on Wednesday, it took another swipe at Washington.


“Panic is more deadly and contagious than any virus,” foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said at a press briefing.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Joker is wild, here come the ice cream lickers again. This Joliet area Walmart had to be professionally cleaned afterward.


JOLIET, Ill. -- Police are seeking to identify a young man who was caught on cell phone camera wearing a yellow medical mask and sign that said "I have the Coronavirus" as he sprayed disinfectant on items at a Walmart in Illinois Sunday, causing nearly $10,000 in damage. The man is now facing felony charges. The suspects left the scene in a white 2003 GMC Yukon registered to Oswego, police said.

The store had to be professionally cleaned and dozens of items were thrown out. Walmart estimated the loss of produce at more than $7,300, with an additional cleanup cost of more than $2,400, police said.
"When you are looking at the damage to property, you are looking at more than $7,000 in damage," said Sgt. Chris Botzum, Joliet Police Department. "It's a lot of money."

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Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
Asian markets up, our markets up, oil and most commodities up, VIX (fear gauge) and gold down. This is just way too weird. I know the Central Banks can flood the world with money but it’s beginning to appear that the markets are favoring a reduced world population.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Asian markets up, our markets up, oil and most commodities up, VIX (fear gauge) and gold down. This is just way too weird. I know the Central Banks can flood the world with money but it’s beginning to appear that the markets are favoring a reduced world population.

They're hurting now.

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homecanner1

Veteran Member
Patient confidentiality? That little slip of a bandy legged man pushing that cart reminds me exactly of the kind of dickwad who started the drunken brawl at the South Side Irish parade up from Alsip IL and they subsequently lost their parade permit by the city and it was banned for 5 yrs afterwards. SS on that cap, what team does he play for? We are going to see some serious maliciousness on display as people crack under the pressure. Looks to me like the Chinese let people run loose for 6 weeks with this and probably half the Euro Christmas tourists to Macau to gamble and to Bangkok to bisexual frolic, got themselves exposed in the process by mingling with the randoms. The Asheville hospital homeless campout on the upper floor was horrifying enough. Transparency is coming and the scope of this catastrophe will be exposed.
 

jward

passin' thru
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KFhunter

Veteran Member
Anyone else come across the apparent "mistake" of real numbers being temporarily published on 26-Jan and again on 02-Feb??? Red numbers are SUSPECTED, yellow is CONFIRMED, green is RECOVERED, and black is DEAD.

"Apparently", these numbers we only up for a short time before the censors addressed the issue... Who knows.

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Or, the death toll jumped by 22012 people in 6 days.
 

jward

passin' thru
BNO News BNO News
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timelines
Last update: 6 February 2020 at 12:01 a.m. ET
MAINLAND CHINACasesDeathsNotesLinks
Hubei province
(including Wuhan)
19,6655492,328 serious, 756 criticalSource
Zhejiang province954051 serious, 15 criticalSource
Guangdong province944083 serious, 32 criticalSource
Henan province851238 serious, 24 criticalSource
Hunan province711061 seriousSource
Anhui province59106 criticalSource
Jiangxi province600053 seriousSource
Chongqing389232 serious, 11 criticalSource
Jiangsu province37303 seriousSource
Sichuan province322*118 criticalSource
Shandong province343025 serious, 6 criticalSource
Beijing27411+ criticalSource
Shanghai25418 serious, 8 criticalSource
Fujian province215012 serious, 8 criticalSource
Shaanxi province17301+ seriousSource
Guangxi Region168012 serious, 3 criticalSource
Yunnan province128013 serious, 2 criticalSource
Hebei province157113 seriousSource
Heilongjiang province227324 seriousSource
Liaoning province8907 seriousSource
Hainan province105114 seriousSource
Shanxi province9007 serious, 4 criticalSource
Tianjin69119 serious, 4 criticalSource
Gansu province6207 seriousSource
Guizhou province6919 serious, 4 criticalSource
Ningxia Region4003 seriousSource
Inner Mongolia460Source
Jilin province5903 serious, 2 criticalSource
Xinjiang3608 serious, 1 criticalSource
Qinghai province1801 seriousSource
Tibet10StableSource
TOTAL28,0235633,859 serious
1,153 recovered
24,702 suspected
REGIONSCasesDeathsNotesLinks
Hong Kong211Source
Taiwan110Source
Macau100Source
TOTAL4210 serious
INTERNATIONALCasesDeathsNotesLinks
Japan45*0Source
Thailand2501 serious, 9 recoveredSource
Singapore2801 recovered, 27 stableSource
South Korea2301 recoveredSource
Australia1402 recoveredSource
Germany120Source
Malaysia120StableSource
United States1201 recoveredSource
Vietnam1003 recoveredSource
France601 seriousSource
UAE50StableSource
Canada50Source
England20Source
Russia20Source
Philippines31Source
India30StableSource
Italy202 seriousSource
Nepal10Source
Cambodia10Source
Sri Lanka101 recoveredSource
Finland101 recoveredSource
Sweden10Source
Spain10Source
Belgium10Source
TOTAL21614 serious
 

jward

passin' thru
Apparently China has lost all semblance of control...delayed the release of todays' numbers, and then finally, released numbers from days ago. Extra prayers heading thattaway! Also worth noting, US is showing one recovered case...
Part two

  • 04:57: 10 new cases in Fujian province, China. (Source)
  • 02:36: 21 new cases in Beijing. (Source)
  • 02:01: 8 new cases in Shaanxi province, China. (Source)
  • 01:35: 4 new cases in Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
  • 01:33: 6 new cases in Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
  • 01:12: 74 new cases in Guangdong province, China. (Source)
  • 01:11: 52 new cases in Jiangxi province, China. (Source)
  • 01:10: 59 new cases in Zhejiang province, China. (Source)
  • 01:01: 1 new case in Qinghai province, China. (Source)
  • 01:00: 6 new cases in Hainan province, China. (Source)
  • 00:49: 37 new cases and 1 new death in Heilongjiang province, China. This death was previously disclosed by the National Health Commission. (Source)
  • 00:48: 32 new cases in Jiangsu province, China. (Source)
  • 00:47: 50 new cases in Hunan province, China. (Source)
  • 00:43: 4 new cases in Xinjiang Region, China. (Source)
  • 00:42: 61 new cases in Anhui province, China. (Source)
  • 00:41: 20 new cases in Sichuan province, China. (Source)
  • 00:27: 5 new cases in Guizhou province, China. (Source)
  • 00:26: 87 new cases in Henan province, China. (Source)
  • 00:11: 18 new cases in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, China. (Source)
  • 00:08: 36 new cases in Shandong province, China. (Source)
  • 00:05: 5 new cases in Jilin province, China. (Source)
  • 00:00: 22 new cases in Hebei province, China. (Source
  • For the full timeline, click here.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
The aerosol spray may be to kill the flies that are crawling on dead bodies, then might fly out the windows and go into homes of healthy people and crawl on them, spreading the virus.

I agree... My post was more of a jest than anything...
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
That's criminal. They have to tell local populations what the threat is, and its rise. The people have a right to know so they can isolate immediately. But, given it's the CDC that bussed all the third world diseases through out the US, is anyone surprised. Pissed is warranted here. If this is true, it's gonna get ugly. Wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

Based on recent history... Do you think they are worried about that?
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Yeah. I'm still thinking on your approach. It seems it should work, doesn't it? I guess the bottom line is the two prong question: What do you think your viral load was to begin with, and How willing are you to pay the price if you're wrong?
I can see lots of situations where I would opt personally for your approach. I would probably try to do my air out in sunshine, given the disinfecting benefits it provides- but- then moisture issues might increase... I just do not know. Hard sober decisions may face us though, mighten they? : (

Great personal thoughts...

With the knowledge on TB2K, we are more informed than 97% of the country ( most of whom I am certain that this crisis is not even on their radar ), but when you get down to the bottom line, we will all need to figure this out for ourselves...

:sal:
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
It won't be long till they quarantine the whole city, then will they lose control of the other provinces? This may become a continuity of government issue soon.

And, if that happens, might I remind everyone of the following article and what the implications may be there...




Did China’s Plan To Destroy The United States Backfire?
J.R. Nyquist
January 31, 2020


In a secret speech given to high-level Communist Party cadres nearly two decades ago, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explained a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance.

He said there were three vital issues that must be grasped. The first was the issue of living space—because China is severely overpopulated and China’s environment is deteriorating. The second issue, therefore, was that the Communist Party must teach the Chinese people to “go out.” By this, Chi meant the conquest of new lands, in which a “second China” could be built by “colonization.” From this, arose the third vital issue: the “issue of America.”

Chi warned his listeners: “This appears to be shocking, but the logic is actually very simple. … [China is] in fundamental conflict with the Western strategic interest.” Therefore, the United States would never allow China to seize other countries to build a second China. The United States stands in China’s way.

Chi explained the problem as follows: “Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, [so] how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada, and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.”

“We are not as foolish as to want to perish together with America by using nuclear weapons,” the general said. “Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves.”

The answer is found in biological weapons.

“Of course,” he added, “we have not been idle. In the past years, we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind.”

The ruling Chinese Communist Party considers biological weapons to be the most important weapons for accomplishing their goal of “cleaning up America.” Chi credits former Party leader Deng Xiaoping with putting biological weapons ahead of all other weapon systems in the Chinese arsenal: “When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focus instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country.”

It may seem difficult to believe, but Chi considered himself to be a “humanitarian” communist, and therefore admitted to mixed personal feelings on this matter: “I sometimes think how cruel it is for China and the United States to be enemies.”

After all, he noted, the United States helped China in World War II. Chinese people remember that the United States opposed Japanese imperialism. But none of that matters now.

“In the long run,” said Chi, “the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.” This tragic situation must be accepted.

According to Chi, “We must not forget that the history of our civilization repeatedly has taught us that one mountain does not allow two tigers to live together.”

China’s overpopulation problem and environmental degradation will eventually result in social collapse and civil war, according to Chi. He estimated that “more than 800 million” Chinese would die in such a collapse. Therefore, the Chinese Communist Party has no policy alternative.

Either the United States is “cleaned up” by biological attacks, or China suffers national catastrophe.

“We must prepare ourselves for two scenarios,” Chi said. “If our biological weapons succeed in the surprise attack, the Chinese people will be able to keep their losses at a minimum in the fight against the United States. If, however, the attack fails and triggers a nuclear retaliation from the United States, China would perhaps suffer a catastrophe in which more than half of its population would perish. That is why we need to be ready with air defense systems for our big and medium-sized cities.”

In his speech, Chi provides us with a key for understanding China’s development strategy.

“Our economic development is all about preparing for the needs of war!” he said.

It’s not about improving the life of Chinese people in the short run. It’s not about building a consumer-oriented capitalist society. “Publicly,” said Chi, “we still emphasize economic development as our center, but in reality, economic development has war as its center!”

The same can be said for China’s intense interest in the biological sciences.

Weaponizing Viruses
The West has yet to grasp the underlying motive for China’s ready participation in the West’s P4 microbiology labs, where the world’s most deadly microbes are studied (i.e., pathogen lethality level 4 labs). This now bubbles to the surface in the novel corona virus pandemic that has occurred in Wuhan, at the heart of China, just outside China’s principle P4 virology lab (specializing in deadly viruses).

Not long after delivering his speech, Chi stepped down as defense minister in 2003, the same year as the SARS (coronavirus) outbreak in China. This was also (coincidentally) the same year Beijing decided to build the Wuhan P4 virology lab. Given Chi’s speech, is the novel coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan an accident occasioned by weaponizing the virus at that lab?

Three data points are worth considering. First, in 2008, Taiwan’s top security official told lawmakers that “Taiwan had intelligence linking the SARS virus to research done in Chinese labs,” according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

Given China’s economic clout and political infiltration of Chinese-language media, it’s not surprising that National Security Bureau Director Tsai Chao-ming was forced to retract his statement, which had none of the usual features of a “gaffe.” Was Tsai forced to retract a statement that was true, since he couldn’t reveal his intelligence sources inside China?

Second, the Virology Journal published an article by Gulfaraz Khan on Feb. 28, 2013, that outlined the discovery of a novel coronavirus in Saudi Arabia in June 2012. It’s the very same coronavirus, but with a difference: When first discovered, it couldn’t be readily transmitted from human to human; something has changed in the virus since that time. Thus, the Wuhan version is labeled 2019-nCoV instead of simply nCoV. The latter isn’t contagious, while the former is spreading rapidly throughout China.

What do you suppose changed its transmissibility between 2012 and 2020? Random mutation or weaponization? If the current lethal outbreak had occurred in any other city than Wuhan, we might be inclined to believe in a random mutation. But Wuhan is ground zero for Chinese bioweapons.

Should we credit such a coincidence?
Third, the journal GreatGameIndia published an article titled “Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It.”

The authors were clever enough to put Khan’s Virology Journal article together with news of a security breach by Chinese nationals at the Canadian (P4) National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, where the novel coronavirus was allegedly stored with other lethal organisms. Last May, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were called in to investigate, and by late July, the Chinese were kicked out of the facility.

Prominent virologist Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, along with her husband and an unknown number of her students from China, were all removed from the lab, Canadian news outlet CBC reported. Qiu had been invited to “the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years,” it reported. (A later CBC report denied claims that there was evidence the Chinese scientists stole coronavirus from the lab.)

Here, we have a plausible theory of the nCoV organism’s travels: first discovered in Saudi Arabia, then studied in Canada, from where it was stolen by a Chinese scientist and brought to Wuhan. Like the statement of Taiwan’s intelligence chief in 2008, the GreatGameIndia article has come under attack. Whatever the truth, the fact of proximity and the unlikelihood of mutation must figure into our calculations.

We must have an investigation of the outbreak in Wuhan. The Chinese must grant the world total transparency. The truth must come out. If Chinese officials are innocent, they have nothing to hide. If they are guilty, they will refuse to cooperate.

The real concern here is whether the rest of the world has the courage to demand a real and thorough investigation. We need to be fearless in this demand and not allow “economic interests” to play a coy and dishonest game of denial. We need an honest inquiry. We need it now.

J.R. Nyquist is a columnist and the author of the books “Origins of the Fourth World War” and “The Fool and His Enemy,” as well as co-author of “The New Tactics of Global War.”
 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I have some cotton surgical masks that would stand up to boiling. In a pinch, I might try experimenting with them and the salt mask concept.

Experiment?

You can only be wrong once...

( But, I understand, "In a pinch"... We might all be there in a few months )
 
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bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The CDC has recently decided to limit the Coronavirus infection statistics within the United States.

I have taken the liberty to create a Whitehouse petition to require the CDC to release the information in a timely and detailed manner. Here's the link to the petition and the text of the petition. I highly recommend that you sign the petition.

Require the CDC to release data on the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in a timely and detailed manner | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

I've also started a new thread regarding the petition:
http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index...avirus-information-in-a-timely-manner.567745/

I appreciate your setting up this petition, but the form doesn’t work for me. I input my info and try to submit, but it doesn’t do anything. Tried twice. Any advice?

I‘m using my iPad. In hospital. Heavily drugged. Just saying. ;)
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Actually you are exactly correct, according to some info we posted up thread on all the wrong info out there re: the possibility of disinfecting and reusing masks. Don't do this kids- really. just don't.

I just got in a UVC light; would that do the job, I wonder?
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
A few pieces of info you need to know:

The coronavirus is airborne. Period.
"Place a patient with known or suspected 2019-nCoV (i.e., PUI) in an AIIR (Airborne Infection Isolation Room) that has been constructed and maintained in accordance with current guidelines.
  • AIIRs are single patient rooms at negative pressure relative to the surrounding areas, and with a minimum of 6 air changes per hour (12 air changes per hour are recommended for new construction or renovation). Air from these rooms should be exhausted directly to the outside or be filtered through a high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filter before recirculation. Room doors should be kept closed except when entering or leaving the room, and entry and exit should be minimized. Facilities should monitor and document the proper negative-pressure function of these rooms.
  • If an AIIR is not available, patients who require hospitalization should be transferred as soon as is feasible to a facility where an AIIR is available. If the patient does not require hospitalization they can be discharged to home (in consultation with state or local public health authorities) if deemed medically and socially appropriate. Pending transfer or discharge, place a facemask on the patient and isolate him/her in an examination room with the door closed. Ideally, the patient should not be placed in any room where room exhaust is recirculated within the building without HEPA filtration.
  • Once in an AIIR, the patient’s facemask may be removed. Limit transport and movement of the patient outside of the AIIR to medically-essential purposes. When not in an AIIR (e.g., during transport or if an AIIR is not available), patients should wear a facemask to contain secretions."

N-95 is the MINIMAL RESPIRATOR PROTECTION NEEDED.
These guides recommend that health care workers entering the room of a SARS patient and medical transport workers transporting a patient with suspected SARS use the following:
  • Standard precautions (e.g., hand hygiene)
  • Contact precautions (e.g., use of gown and gloves for contact with the patient or their environment)
  • Eye protection for all patient contact
  • A respirator that is at least as protective as an N-95 respirator approved by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)

Case Fatality Rate in Hospitalized Patients is 11-15%

Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) developed in 17–29% of hospitalized patients, and secondary infection developed in 10%. Between 23–32% of hospitalized patients with 2019-nCoV infection required intensive care for respiratory support. Some hospitalized patients have required advanced organ support with invasive mechanical ventilation (4–10%), and a small proportion have also required extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO, 3–5%). Other reported complications include acute cardiac injury (12%) and acute kidney injury (4–7%). Among hospitalized patients with pneumonia, the case fatality proportion has been reported as high as 11–15%. However, as this estimate includes only-hospitalized patients, and therefore is biased upward.

 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A few pieces of info you need to know:

The coronavirus is airborne. Period.
"Place a patient with known or suspected 2019-nCoV (i.e., PUI) in an AIIR (Airborne Infection Isolation Room) that has been constructed and maintained in accordance with current guidelines.
  • AIIRs are single patient rooms at negative pressure relative to the surrounding areas, and with a minimum of 6 air changes per hour (12 air changes per hour are recommended for new construction or renovation). Air from these rooms should be exhausted directly to the outside or be filtered through a high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filter before recirculation. Room doors should be kept closed except when entering or leaving the room, and entry and exit should be minimized. Facilities should monitor and document the proper negative-pressure function of these rooms.
  • If an AIIR is not available, patients who require hospitalization should be transferred as soon as is feasible to a facility where an AIIR is available. If the patient does not require hospitalization they can be discharged to home (in consultation with state or local public health authorities) if deemed medically and socially appropriate. Pending transfer or discharge, place a facemask on the patient and isolate him/her in an examination room with the door closed. Ideally, the patient should not be placed in any room where room exhaust is recirculated within the building without HEPA filtration.
  • Once in an AIIR, the patient’s facemask may be removed. Limit transport and movement of the patient outside of the AIIR to medically-essential purposes. When not in an AIIR (e.g., during transport or if an AIIR is not available), patients should wear a facemask to contain secretions."

N-95 is the MINIMAL RESPIRATOR PROTECTION NEEDED.
These guides recommend that health care workers entering the room of a SARS patient and medical transport workers transporting a patient with suspected SARS use the following:
  • Standard precautions (e.g., hand hygiene)
  • Contact precautions (e.g., use of gown and gloves for contact with the patient or their environment)
  • Eye protection for all patient contact
  • A respirator that is at least as protective as an N-95 respirator approved by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)

Case Fatality Rate in Hospitalized Patients is 11-15%

Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) developed in 17–29% of hospitalized patients, and secondary infection developed in 10%. Between 23–32% of hospitalized patients with 2019-nCoV infection required intensive care for respiratory support. Some hospitalized patients have required advanced organ support with invasive mechanical ventilation (4–10%), and a small proportion have also required extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO, 3–5%). Other reported complications include acute cardiac injury (12%) and acute kidney injury (4–7%). Among hospitalized patients with pneumonia, the case fatality proportion has been reported as high as 11–15%. However, as this estimate includes only-hospitalized patients, and therefore is biased upward.

Thank you rondaben.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Case Fatality Rate in Hospitalized Patients is 11-15%

Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) developed in 17–29% of hospitalized patients, and secondary infection developed in 10%. Between 23–32% of hospitalized patients with 2019-nCoV infection required intensive care for respiratory support. Some hospitalized patients have required advanced organ support with invasive mechanical ventilation (4–10%), and a small proportion have also required extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO, 3–5%). Other reported complications include acute cardiac injury (12%) and acute kidney injury (4–7%). Among hospitalized patients with pneumonia, the case fatality proportion has been reported as high as 11–15%. However, as this estimate includes only-hospitalized patients, and therefore is biased upward.


Which jives 100% with the numbers...

(((Henry L Niman PhD)))‏ @hniman 11m11 minutes ago

nCov Cases In China Jump to 52,720 - 28,018 Confirmed 24,702 Suspect 3,859 severe cases 1153 cases were cured and discharged, 563 died

That is a 14.58% fatality rate...
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Soaking in anything will make the filter useless...
We are talking about a cotton surgical mask with no filter. I only was able to afford a small box of N-95s. I figured I would use them to get fresh groceries as needed over a few months and isolate the rest of the time. However, I do have a box of plain, old fashioned cotton surgical masks that have little filtration value for a virus. Salt would be better than nothing if the flu season outlives my other masks .
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
A few pieces of info you need to know:

The coronavirus is airborne. Period.
"Place a patient with known or suspected 2019-nCoV (i.e., PUI) in an AIIR (Airborne Infection Isolation Room) that has been constructed and maintained in accordance with current guidelines.
  • AIIRs are single patient rooms at negative pressure relative to the surrounding areas, and with a minimum of 6 air changes per hour (12 air changes per hour are recommended for new construction or renovation). Air from these rooms should be exhausted directly to the outside or be filtered through a high-efficiency particulate air (HEPA) filter before recirculation. Room doors should be kept closed except when entering or leaving the room, and entry and exit should be minimized. Facilities should monitor and document the proper negative-pressure function of these rooms.
  • If an AIIR is not available, patients who require hospitalization should be transferred as soon as is feasible to a facility where an AIIR is available. If the patient does not require hospitalization they can be discharged to home (in consultation with state or local public health authorities) if deemed medically and socially appropriate. Pending transfer or discharge, place a facemask on the patient and isolate him/her in an examination room with the door closed. Ideally, the patient should not be placed in any room where room exhaust is recirculated within the building without HEPA filtration.
  • Once in an AIIR, the patient’s facemask may be removed. Limit transport and movement of the patient outside of the AIIR to medically-essential purposes. When not in an AIIR (e.g., during transport or if an AIIR is not available), patients should wear a facemask to contain secretions."

N-95 is the MINIMAL RESPIRATOR PROTECTION NEEDED.
These guides recommend that health care workers entering the room of a SARS patient and medical transport workers transporting a patient with suspected SARS use the following:
  • Standard precautions (e.g., hand hygiene)
  • Contact precautions (e.g., use of gown and gloves for contact with the patient or their environment)
  • Eye protection for all patient contact
  • A respirator that is at least as protective as an N-95 respirator approved by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)

Case Fatality Rate in Hospitalized Patients is 11-15%

Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) developed in 17–29% of hospitalized patients, and secondary infection developed in 10%. Between 23–32% of hospitalized patients with 2019-nCoV infection required intensive care for respiratory support. Some hospitalized patients have required advanced organ support with invasive mechanical ventilation (4–10%), and a small proportion have also required extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO, 3–5%). Other reported complications include acute cardiac injury (12%) and acute kidney injury (4–7%). Among hospitalized patients with pneumonia, the case fatality proportion has been reported as high as 11–15%. However, as this estimate includes only-hospitalized patients, and therefore is biased upward.

I don't know why they won't tell older people with conditions that make them of particular risk to be extra careful with this one. The rules of risk management are: (1) avoidance; (2) minimization; and (3) mitigation. Why is it we have to dig so hard to find out for ourselves how to take care of our health?
 

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