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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Wisconsin confirms. Probably one of those 6 Platteville students who went back to China for Christmas break

They also mention the patient is at UW hospital on campus, that's our high level triage center for the region so I would presume isolation protocol is underway.

The person is isolated at home and doing well, officials added, but they declined to provide further details.
 
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Big Red Clay

Contributing Member
EndGameWW3‏ @EndGameWW3 22s22 seconds ago

Breaking: Up to 70 people possibly exposed to coronavirus while in China to be quarantined at Camp Ashland
Camp Ashland is about 15 miles from my front door. Not happy about this at all. I have only seen the article from Omaha.com about this and there was no mention of security and if those people are going to be under lock and key and or armed guard. If someone decided they wanted to take off, they would be within easy walking distance of a very nice small town. I don't want my little slice of heaven turned into the first US hot zone. As my brother just texted me "The government idiots could f**k up a two car funeral. This is not good"

My other question is if these are American citizens coming here or some well connected chi-coms getting a break? Again no info offered up in the article.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Feb 4

PCR confirmed cases increase to 47,584

National lab confirmations increase - Suspect cases (23,260) below Confirmed (24,324)

Discharged cases (892) doubles deaths (490)

Confirmations on quarantined cruise ship off coast of Japan ex-Hong Kong

Ship has 3711 people with 120 symptomatic and 153 contacts (11 nCov confirmed in first 31 tests)

First sequence from South Korea has orf8 mutation <<<====

orf8 mutations in nCoV and SARS <<<==== Why Dr. Niman follows this sequence in mutations.

CDC sequences two isolates from first nCoV case in United States

orf8 mutation is US sequences from 4 of first 5 cases (WA IL CA AZ)

San Benito cluster cases worsen - transferred to UCSF

Sudden death videos from China including security guard <<<=== Important discussion re MYOCARDITIS.
Sudden Death

Striking similarities with 1918 pandemic

http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_020420_hr3.mp3
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That PCR number above is ^way^ above the reported numbers...
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
OSU, University of Cincinnati, or Case Western in Cleveland would be my guess.

Case Western Reverse and Cleveland State (and Baldwin Wallace) are in Cuyahoga County.

I've had some EMS/Disaster contact with Kevin Byrne. NICE guy (WAY too good for what he's handling now) but he don't fib well. If the case WERE in Cuyahoga County he would likely leave the impression it was. One way or another...
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I disagree. Our government is doing it already.
We should probably remember that there are Military Surveillance Aircraft flying up and down the coast of China, satellites flying overhead, and intelligence agents on the ground collecting information on what exactly is transpiring.
I have every confidence that our government knows within reasonable doubt what the real numbers are.
I also have no doubt they are not releasing the information.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
The child in Champaign Urbana Illinois, U of I is still questionable according to tonights news? Nothing firm, though the child was exhibiting symptoms yesterday. Seems to me a test would of determined this within 24 hours.........we all know the U of I, like Madison and Berkley is likely to suppress any bad news like this....if it's bad news. I did get on the radio, kind of came unglued due to being told I only have a minute be fast, after waiting for seventy five minutes over three different days to get on, pissed me off. I ranted quickly, the coffee the wife made did not help any. I think she used a cup of grinds in a regular pot....but I did recite Proverbs 22:3 and warn folks it's could be catechlismic in time. Now is the time to stock up on food and prepare to isolate. I'll call back tomorrow and push the news found here, not found on CBS, etc... I'll be a bit more calm. Son has flu symptoms, grandson felt bad stayed home from school as well. In this day and age it's a concern, not so much today, but in a week or two it could be off the charts. As I stated somewhere else, that child has parents, who have friends, who have comingled. Makes one wonder how many are going to pop and how long off. It's defintly hitting home, litterally.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Anyone trying to suggest that the Chinese numbers are due to a mass release needs to go back and SERIOUSLY CONSIDER what an EXPONENTIAL INCREASE looks like and how DAMN FAST you can go from 20 to 2,000 to 200,000.

That chess board and that rice has real world application.

You MUST REMEMBER that this started early in DECEMBER and has been exponentially growing for more than 2 months. (over 60 iterations of growth. If you haven't stared at the graphs it's your own fault you haven't grok'd the issue in fullness.)
 

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
They mostly only care about the continuity of the government and military. So it doesn’t really matter what they know.

We should probably remember that there are Military Surveillance Aircraft flying up and down the coast of China, satellites flying overhead, and intelligence agents on the ground collecting information on what exactly is transpiring.
I have every confidence that our government knows within reasonable doubt what the real numbers are.
I also have no doubt they are not releasing the information.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I am sure the chinese have those graphs and are releasing numbers which correspond to the charts . . . so that we look like we know what we are talking about
 

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
Good thing to remember in times like these


"Do not say, 'A conspiracy,'
Concerning all that this people call a conspiracy,
Nor be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.
The Lord of hosts, Him you shall hallow;
Let Him be your fear,
And let Him be your dread. Isaiah 8:12-13
 

Matt

Veteran Member
Dr. Chris Martenson's daily briefing (Chris has a PhD in pathology from Duke}

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R183wM-oTjk
24:16 min

Wikipedia has scrubbed Martinson's page per this video. The clampdown on information is accelerating. You are not going to get the truth from our media..... anyone waiting for some sort of admission from the feds is a fool. If you haven't watched the movie contagion, you need to...there is a line where the admiral tells Fishburn's character regarding the lockdown, "nobody knows until everyone knows" nobody is going to get a heads up beforehand, it defeats the whole purpose of lock downs.
 

Tarryn

Senior Member
They mostly only care about the continuity of the government and military. So it doesn’t really matter what they know.

If I were in charge and needed to keep large numbers if people confined and docile, I would force administer some type of sedative. In the water would be a good option
 
The coronavirus is far from under control, and the threat to the global economy is growing


Opinion
The coronavirus is far from under control, and the threat to the global economy is growing


By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
February 6, 2020 — 10.45am


The workshop of the world is closed.
China is on a total-war footing.


The Communist Party has evoked the "spirit of 1937" and mobilised all the instruments of its totalitarian surveillance system to fight both the coronavirus, and the truth. Make GDP forecasts if you dare.

As of this week, two thirds of the Chinese economy remains shut down. More than 80 per cent of its manufacturing industry is closed, rising to 90 per cent for exporters. The Chinese economy is 17 per cent of the world economy and deeply integrated into international supply chains. You cannot shut it down for long without shutting down the world.

China's economy has since the outbreak.

China's economy has since the outbreak.Credit:Getty Images

Brief investor euphoria at reports of two new drugs from Zhejiang University that "inhibit" the virus show how badly unhinged the market has become. This is not the way that medical science advances.


Nor could these drugs possibly be in time to avert serious economic upheaval.


The open question is whether this shock is enough to abort the fragile recovery under way since last summer's near miss, when frightened central bankers in the US, Europe and 47 other jurisdictions cut rates in a drastic monetary U-turn.

Personally, I think the glacial SARS episode of 2003 tells us little about the fast-spreading Wuhan virus. This is more akin to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918. It appears to be tracking the 1918 death rate at about 2.3 per cent (20 times normal winter flu) to the extent that we can believe any figures, but with a difference.

Spanish flu felled the young: this virus carries away the old. There is no global economic safety margin. Both the US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank have already relaunched quantitative easing, a bizarre thing to do if the US economy is really doing as well as Trump claims.

The scale of disruption in China is already staggering. Hyundai, number five in global car sales, has been forced to close all its factories at home in Korea for lack of key components. Volkswagen, Toyota, General Motors and Tesla have all downed tools at their Chinese plants, as has Apple's iPhone supplier Foxconn.

Crude prices have dropped 20 per cent since early January, that long-ago moment when eight Wuhan doctors were already trying to alert the world to the virus, only to be arrested for "spreading rumours".

This is the biggest shock to oil markets since the Lehman crisis. Chinese demand has fallen by 3m barrels a day, twice the UK's North Sea oil output. Opec is having to talk about yet further output cuts.

The channel of financial contagion runs from the epidemic through the oil price to a "bear market rout" in the broader energy sector, and from there to overstretched US junk bonds.

"High yield is where the rubber hits the road," says Edward Harrison from Credit Writedowns. The coronavirus is the sort of "black swan" catalyst that the US Treasury frets about. Its latest stability report said corporate bonds are an accident waiting for such a trigger. The number of investment-grade securities rated BBB or lower has risen fivefold since 2008, many perched just above junk.

If fear takes hold there is likely to be a cascade of downgrades, setting off a fire sale.

Commodity markets have taken it on the chin because they are instant barometers of demand. Equity markets are instead shrugging off the Wuhan virus as media noise, betting that China's factories will reopen on February 14 or thereabouts as Beijing brings the epidemic under control.

The coronavirus has shaken up world markets.

The coronavirus has shaken up world markets.Credit:AP

This is a brave assumption and I can only marvel at analysts suggesting that the infection rate may be tailing off based on official data. Are they aware of the Kafkaesque accounts of reality in Wuhan, Huanggang, and soon no doubt the 35 million-strong megalopolis of Chongqing, where Britain has just closed its consulate?

Are they reading dispatches by Caixin and others revealing a desperate shortage of testing kits and tales of the walking afflicted (transport has been stopped) queuing for hours at hospitals, only to be turned away and sent home to die undiagnosed. These glimpses of truth are about to vanish. The propaganda police have ordered those within their direct reach to conduct an "editorial review".

The coronavirus numbers are fiction.
Far more have died than 490. A Lancet study last week by the University of Hong Kong estimated that the Chinese authorities have understated the epidemic tenfold. It calculated even then that the true figure for Wuhan cases was likely to be 76,000, and that Chongqing and Changsha are already riddled with the disease. "Independent self-sustaining outbreaks in major cities globally may become inevitable," it said.

Views differ but it is striking how many global experts say it may already be too late to stop the spread. "It's very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic," said Anthony Fauci, head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease.

It is the same warning from an "increasingly alarmed" Peter Piot at London's School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The danger is that it will become endemic and circulate everywhere like flu, a manageable headwind for rich countries but certain havoc for Africa or South Asia.

There is a contradiction in the market's nonchalance. Yes, it is possible China will catch enough of those infected before they can spread it further. Such a hi-tech totalitarian response has never been tried before.

But the more thoroughly China enforces this, the greater the global economic shock. How can industrial plants really be reopened next week? Yet if it takes another month, it becomes progressively harder to contain the international damage.

We are in treacherous waters. The People's Bank can no longer ignite instant growth. Debt saturation and weak credit demand have furred up the monetary transmission channels. Extreme rate cuts and "QE with Chinese characteristics" would risk setting off a yuan slide and a repeat of the 2015 currency crisis.

For now global markets remain in Pavlovian mode. There will always be more Chinese stimulus.

Close China-watchers - and many scientists - suspect that this latest flurry of optimism is just a lull before the thunderstorm.
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
All,
I just received a email from our main vendor of o-rings and seals letting us know that they will do everything they can to stem off supply disruptions due to the on going crisis in China but unless the corona virus issue is resolved quickly that there will likely be a disruption in the supply chain.
Of course we at TB2K all know this.
That said, you might want to buy extra wear parts that you need for your vehicles. Oil filters, air filters, tune up parts, head lights, turn signal bulbs, belts hoses, even a extra set of tires as most tires are now made in China.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

There Is Something Very Strange In The Latest Chinese Official Coronavirus Numbers

by Tyler Durden
Wed, 02/05/2020 - 19:20


Moments ago, China's National Health Commission released the latest daily coronavirus epidemic numbers for February 5.

What they showed is that the total number of deaths jumped by the biggest daily total since the start of the epidemic, rising by 73 to 563, while the total number of cases on the mainland rose by 3,694, surprisingly a welcome modest decline from the 3,890 increase reported yesterday, which nonetheless brought the total Chinese cases to the highest yet, or 28,018.
This dynamic is shown in the chart below.



And while the slowdown in cases will likely be cheered by the market, we wanted to make two observations.

First, one can't help but wonder if China is goalseeking either the number of deaths or the number of news cases, because every single day, the death rate has been steady at 2.1% +/- 0.1%. a surprisingly stable relationship.

However what is far more curious is that a secondary data series which is far less popular yet is just as important, the number of people under medical observations, was surprisingly low. In fact, one almost wonders if this number wasn't fudged. What we mean is that after rising between 15,000 and 22,500 every single day since Jan 27, the number of people under observation rose to just 186,354, which is just 799 cases higher than the day before, which the China National Health Commission represented was 185,555.

Why is this bizarre? The following chart will make it clear. The highlighted box shows that paltry increase in today's official numbers of people under observation. Needless to say, unless somehow China overnight stopped observing any new cases, this makes no sense.


And just so we are not accused of making up the numbers, here is a screengrab of the official, google translated, National Health Commission website as of Feb 4, 2020...

... And here is what it looked like today, today, Feb 5:



Incidentally, all the latest official daily coronavirus "statistics" can be pulled from the following page on the Commission's website:

Which begs the question: did China suddenly succeed in conquering the epidemic, even as virtually every official admits there is no vaccine or drug that can cure the novel Coronavirus, or did someone in China once again get sloppy with the data release, as they did over the weekend via Tencent, and were caught by the Taiwan Times.
We hope to have an answer shortly.
 

yellowlabz

Veteran Member
The person is isolated at home and doing well, officials added, but they declined to provide further details.
So...if they live with other people, are the other people also staying home?? Or are they going out in public and coming home to the isolated person??
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
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WHO says coronavirus cases surge: ‘Most cases in a single day’

The number of cases for the flu-like coronavirus surged in the last day, with more than 3,100 new patients confirmed in China, World Health Organization officials said Wednesday.
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a news conference that the reported cases are “the most cases in a single day since the outbreak started” Dec. 31.

Just 191 of the total cases are outside mainland China, and 80% of those cases are concentrated in Hubei province where the virus was first detected in the city of Wuhan, he said. Of the cases outside of China, 31 spread through human-to-human contact, mostly from close friends or relatives who had recently been to China.

Tedros issued a warning for countries monitoring the outbreak and pleaded for funding: “Invest today or pay more later.”

“Our greatest concern is about the potential for spread in other countries with weaker health systems and who lack the capacity to detect and diagnose the virus,” he said. “We’re only as strong as the weakest link.”

“We cannot defeat this outbreak without solidarity. Political solidarity, technical solidarity, and financial solidarity,” he continued.

Tedros has been urging the WHO’s 196 member countries to “invest in preparedness,” not “panic.” He said that funding for outbreak preparedness in surrounding countries “has remained grossly inadequate” in the past.

The WHO has tapped $9 million of funding from its contingency fund for emergencies, Tedros said Wednesday. He said the organization has sent medical supplies such as masks, gloves, gowns and diagnostic tests around the world.



 

jward

passin' thru
Reuters
@Reuters

13m

Two planes carrying about 350 Americans out of Wuhan, China, arrived at an Air Force base in California as the United States stepped up efforts to bring its citizens home from the epicenter of the fast-spreading coronavirus outbreak
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Overstock of Febreeze
On a serious note: The Chinese must be aware of something about this virus that we are not aware of. You do not generally see tanker trucks spraying disinfectant over wide areas of the landscape to kill a virus. You normally see this kind of reaction to insects that carry disease

:hmm:

To mask the smell of decay...

You may be onto something, there...

/wink
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
Our government falsifies EVERYTHING!
Could be, but in the U.S. we don't need the government to tell us what's going on. Even though most Americans are clueless at this point, they're also tattletales , and they put EVERYTHING that's the least bit sensational on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and whatever else. If we were anywhere close even to where China was at the beginning we'd know it. TB2K members would know it; many are looking for it under every rock...LOL! IIRC one of our members (sorry can't remember who now) was taking his wife to chemo treatments at the same hospital in the Seattle area where the 1st U.S. patient was. That's been more than 14 days; if there was a hidden epidemic there, our member would know it. Of course it could get really bad in the U.S.; that's why we're here, we prep and watch for what could happen. But if/when it happens we'll be as ready as we can be, and I firmly believe we're far from that...yet.
 
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