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Alabama’s and Mississippi’s troubling Covid-19 curves, briefly explained
National Covid-19 cases appear to be plateauing, but new hot spots are emerging.

By Dylan Scott
Aug 3, 2020, 5:00pm EDT

For the first time in a while, there is a bit of good news to report about America’s coronavirus pandemic: Nationally, cases have plateaued — and in some places, they have begun to decline slightly.

But, as always is the case when looking at the national numbers, the situation is more complicated than it seems.

Over the last two weeks, the average number of new cases reported daily has dipped from more than 66,000 to roughly 60,000, according to the Covid Exit Strategy tracker. The number of people hospitalized with Covid-19 nationwide has also fallen in the last 10 days, which would suggest an ebb in the virus’s spread. The explanation for the drops is pretty simple: Arizona, Florida, California, and Texas — the four states that had driven much of the summer wave — have seen their daily new cases drop by between 11 percent and 28 percent over the last two weeks. Hospitalizations in those states have also tailed off.

Deaths are still at their highest levels since May, however, with the US currently averaging more than 1,000 Covid-19 deaths every day.

Earlier in the summer, there seemed to be a disconnect between case numbers and death counts, with the death count remaining low even as new case counts rose. But this time, the case count is declining and the death count is rising.

Because of the lag between when a person’s case is reported and when their death would be reported if they fall victim to the coronavirus — which can sometimes be a month or more — we may not see the drop in cases reflected in the death data for a while.

It’s too soon to say any of those four states are out of the woods entirely. Certain areas, like the Rio Grande Valley in Texas, are still struggling, and experts warn that any progress could be quickly reversed.

“It would not take much — schools reopening in person, or people relaxing precautions a little bit because we’re ‘past the peak’ — for us to have a growing epidemic again,” Tom Hladish, a research scientist at the University of Florida’s Emerging Pathogens Institute, told me.

But if the summer’s hot spots are in fact starting to turn a corner, the worry is new ones will flare up. The US had enjoyed a steady decline in cases and deaths after the New York City region got through the worst of its outbreak in the spring — until Arizona, California, Florida, and Texas began reopening their economies and cases picked up again in June. This was an important reminder that the US does not have one outbreak but many, and any improvements in one place could be quickly offset if new areas experience a spike in cases, hospitalizations, and, eventually, deaths.

With that in mind, I asked public health experts which states show signs of an accelerating outbreak and looked at the data myself.

There are some states that have had worrying trends for a while but flew under the radar while much of the nation’s attention focused on the Big Four. Georgia and Nevada typify that group; their daily new cases, positive test rates, and hospitalizations are stubbornly high. Others are definitely trending in the wrong direction: Missouri and Oklahoma are two states where cases and positive test rates have gone up recently.

But two states stood out from the rest, the unfortunate candidates most likely to become the next US hot spots: Alabama and Mississippi.

Alabama


There are various ways to measure the scale and trajectory of a state’s outbreak — percent of tests coming back positive, number of new cases per million people, number of hospital beds occupied — but by any of these metrics, Alabama is in a bad place.

At the beginning of July, Alabama was averaging fewer than 1,000 new Covid-19 cases every day. Today, the daily average is above 1,600. The percentage of tests that are positive is more than 21 percent and rising, according to Covid Exit Strategy; experts say that the positivity rate should be 5 percent or less in order for a state to feel it is adequately managing its outbreak. According to the Covid Tracking Project, about 800 people were hospitalized with Covid-19 in Alabama on July 1; today, the number is 1,529.

Going by the number of new cases per million people — a good proxy for how saturated a state is with Covid-19 infections — Alabama has the fourth-worst outbreak in the US. It also ranks fifth in the number of people hospitalized per million people. Right now, 72 percent of the state’s hospital beds are occupied, which the public health researchers at Covid Exit Strategy characterize as an “elevated” level of hospitalizations.

Taken together, these are a troubling set of trends. Alabama did issue a statewide mask order in mid-July, which may help to ensure the situation does not spiral out of control, and Gov. Kay Ivey has extended the mandate through August. But the state has been reluctant to order businesses closed again after starting to reopen its economy in late April, and Ivey has been insistent about starting in-person instruction at Alabama schools.

“It is worth watching whether face mask orders in place ... help to curtail or prevent widespread outbreaks,” Jennifer Tolbert, director of state health reform at the Kaiser Family Foundation, said. It will likely be several weeks before any effect would be seen, given the lags in reporting.

Mississippi


Mississippi is, if anything, even worse off than its neighbor to the east.

The number of daily new cases roughly doubled from 639 on July 1 to 1,178 on August 2. More than 20 percent of tests are positive, and that number has been steadily rising for the last two weeks. A month ago, about 800 people were hospitalized with Covid-19 in Mississippi; today, nearly 1,200 are. It now ranks second in new cases per million people, behind only Florida.

Most troubling is the growing death toll. The state reported 52 new deaths on July 31, a record, and dramatically higher than one month ago, when Mississippi was seeing 10 deaths per day on average. Its large Black population and high poverty levels could make the state particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus, considering being a person of color and of a lower socioeconomic status have been linked to more adverse outcomes.

“Both Alabama and Mississippi have an awful lot of counties that are predicted to be vulnerable on the basis of their population demographics,” William Hanage, a Harvard epidemiologist, told me, “Whether age, race, or socioeconomic status, or some combination of all three.”

The state has so far not reimposed any social distancing restrictions or issued a statewide mask requirement, according to Boston University’s database of state Covid-19 policies, adding to the concern among public health experts. Gov. Tate Reeves did impose a mask mandate for specific counties and warned bars may have to be closed if the virus continues to spread.

But the state has also pushed ahead with opening schools; one of the first school districts to restart classes has already reported that one student has tested positive for the coronavirus. The school district said it has notified people who came into close contact with the student, the public health practice known as contact tracing. But the level of spread in the state and the lack of contact tracing workers could make it difficult to do that work at scale; NPR reported last month that the state had not hired enough people to meet its estimated contact tracing needs.

Given the trend lines in Mississippi, Harvard Global Health Institute director Ashish Jha predicted the state would become first in the nation in the number of new cases as a share of its population.

Mississippi will become nation's #1 in new cases/pop
Already #1 on test +
Can't open schools now. They'll just shut down
If MS wants kids in school, recipe known
Stop indoor dining/bars/gyms
Statewide masking
Fix testing
Then, may be, kids can go to school safely. Later
Fin
— Ashish K. Jha (@ashishkjha) August 2, 2020

In other words, Mississippi may soon be the worst Covid-19 hot spot in the country.

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Heliobas Disciple

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This is frightening. Coming soon to a city near us? People - just MASK UP - so this virus goes away and these draconian, big brother steps won't need to be taken....

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Singapore to make travellers wear electronic tags to enforce quarantine
The devices will track wearers' movements, and any attempt to leave home will trigger an alert to the authorities

by Reuters
Monday, 3 August 2020 04:37 GMT

Singapore will make some incoming travellers wear an electronic monitoring device to ensure that they comply with coronavirus quarantines as the city-state gradually reopens its borders, authorities said on Monday.

From August 11, the devices will be given to incoming travellers, including citizens and residents, from a select group of countries who will be allowed to isolate at home rather than at a state-appointed facility.

Similar measures using electronic wristbands to track peoples' movements during quarantine have been used in Hong Kong and South Korea.

Travellers to Singapore are required to activate the device, which use GPS and Bluetooth signals, upon reaching their home and will receive notifications on the device which they must acknowledge.

Any attempt to leave home or tamper with the device will trigger an alert to the authorities.

Hong Kong in March introduced a scheme for incoming travellers to use a slim electronic wristband, similar to a tag worn by hospital patients, to enforce quarantines for arriving passengers. South Korea has also used such wristbands connected to smartphone apps for those who violate quarantine.

Singapore, which has not given details on what the device will look like, said in a statement that it will not store any personal data and does not have any voice or video recording function.

Those aged 12 and below will not have to wear the devices.

The city-state, which is also planning to give all residents a wearable virus-tracing dongle, has tough punishments for breach of its quarantine and social distancing rules.

Under the Infectious Diseases Act, punishments can be fines of up to S$10,000 ($7,272) or imprisonment of up to six months, or both. It has also revoked the work passes of foreigners who flouted the rules.

Singapore has reported 52,825 coronavirus infections, mostly due to mass outbreaks in cramped migrant workers dormitories, but imported cases have been creeping up in recent days.

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Heliobas Disciple

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Spain’s new wave of infections hits the young, middle-aged
By RENATA BRITO and JOSEPH WILSON
yesterday

Like most Spaniards, Emma Gaya thought the worst of the pandemic was behind her.

Spain’s government had ended a three-month lockdown after an COVID-19 onslaught that claimed at least 28,400 lives in the European Union nation. To kickstart its stalled economy, Spaniards were encouraged to cautiously resume their lives under a “new normality” based on wearing face masks, washing hands and social distancing.

The respite didn’t last long.

Outbreaks among farm workers and young people desperate to resume socializing after being cooped up have spread across northern Spain, spawning what some health officials fear could be the start of a dreaded “second wave” of infections.

“It pains me to think that we could be right back where we were,” Gaya said after getting tested for coronavirus at her local health clinic in Sant Sadurni D’Anoia, a village near Barcelona. She came in because she had a fever, one of the typical symptoms of COVID-19, along with a dry cough and the loss of a sense of smell.

“I think we had done things well. Now I don’t know if we are doing it well at all. I’m not sure at what point we are safe,” Gaya said.

On June 22, the day after Spain ended a national state of emergency and restored free movement around the country, the health ministry registered 125 new cases in 24 hours. Six weeks later, the daily count has jumped, hitting 1,525 on Friday.

Spain is leading Western Europe’s major countries with an average of 60 coronavirus cases per 100,000 inhabitants. While the country’s south and the Canary and Balearic Islands remain in good shape, the regions of Navarra, Aragón, and Catalonia have registered more than 120 cases per 100,000 inhabitants over a 14-day period, making Spain’s northeast the biggest European hot spot along with parts of Romania, according to the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control.

In contrast to the darkest weeks of March and April, when the virus ripped through Spain’s elderly in nursing homes and pushed the country’s hospitals to the breaking point, the pressure is now on Spain’s neighborhood health clinics. They are trying to screen and isolate the new infections, which are taking place mostly among the young, who in Spain and countries across the world are ignoring social distancing, and the middle-aged.

The average age of a virus patient in Spain has fallen from 63 in the spring to 45 now and “the pressure on the health system is low,” said Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa. Since the virus takes a heavier toll on the elderly, younger coronavirus patients means more who have milder symptoms.

Spain’s improved testing capacity makes a comparison to the start of the pandemic difficult. In February, March and April, a shortage of tests meant that only the very sick who were admitted to hospitals were tested and that a significant number of coronavirus cases went undetected.

Now, local clinics are discovering many more infections among those who don’t show symptoms.

“We are in a different situation (than the spring) because right now we have tests available,” said Dr. Miriam Ceña, director of the health clinics in Sant Sadurni D’Anoia, which is seeing a jump in cases like the area around Barcelona, Catalonia’s largest city.

“We are in a situation of risk and alert. We don’t want to alarm the population, but we want the population to be responsible,” Ceña said. “In March, there was the lockdown so the situation was under more control. Right now, there is free movement and socializing and those are a risk of contagion.”

The surge in new infections is sure to add to the drastic contraction of Spain’s economy by slamming hopes of reactivating the country’s critical tourism sector. The economy has already dropped 18% in the second quarter — its biggest dip since Spain’s 1936-39 Civil War.

Britain has placed a 14-day quarantine on travelers returning from Spain, while France, Germany, and Belgium have all issued travel warnings or discouraged trips to northeast Spain.

Authorities have for several weeks warned about the danger of new outbreaks, but experts predicted they would likely occur in the colder months. Instead, the surge has come in mid-summer, when Spaniards are eager to reconnect with family and friends, and hotels, restaurants and shops are counting on both domestic and foreign tourists to cushion the pandemic’s blow to their balance sheets.

Spain must now pull off the delicate balancing act of managing the health crisis while reactivating its economy. Officials desperately hope they can avoid another full lockdown that would be catastrophic to businesses and jobs despite the expected injection of massive aid from the European Union.

Catalonia and many other regions have reintroduced restrictions, making masks obligatory at all times outside the home and reclosing nightclubs due to their links to outbreaks.

“We must be obsessive about complying with the protection measures,” said Catalonia’s public health director, Josep Argimon.

Catalonia, however, is only now deploying 600 workers to its clinics to help nurses and doctors handle the demands of contact tracing, which has been insufficient so far. That lack of urgency has drawn strong criticism from health workers and mayors.

Spain’s government is rolling out a phone app to help contract tracers find and stamp out new infections, while making a renewed appeal for individuals to act responsibly.

“There are many citizens who feel anguish upon seeing the outbreaks that are happening in different parts of our country,” Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez said Friday. “Because we have all had to make an enormous effort to be disciplined, show resistance and muster the will to defeat the virus.”

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Heliobas Disciple

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High odds severe Covid-19 can lead to kidney injury or failure, medical studies reveal
Lori Ioannou
Mon, Aug 3 20208:00 AM EDT | Updated Mon, Aug 3 20209:53 AM EDT

Key Points

  • Approximately 10% to 50% of patients with severe Covid-19 that go into intensive care have kidney failure that requires some form of dialysis, the American Society of Nephrology Covid-19 Response Team reports.
  • At Mount Sinai 46% of patients that were admitted to the hospital with Covid-19 since the beginning of the pandemic had some form of acute kidney injury; of those, 17% required urgent dialysis.
  • Many have had no underlying health or kidney issues prior to the virus.
  • In response, medical centers across the U.S. have launched a study using AI technology developed by RenalytixAI to identify biomarkers in Covid patients with the highest risk of kidney injury.
Sonia Toure remembers the exact moment when her life changed forever. She was on a Zoom call in mid-March with her work colleagues when she coughed. It was a deep, strange-sounding cough that startled everyone. Later that night she got a 103-degree fever and pain shot all over her body.

“These were not body aches,” she recalls. “My body hurt so bad it felt like I was beaten by a group of people. I could barely walk to the bathroom or catch my breath.”

Toure, a 54-year-old project coordinator for the CUNY Research Foundation in New York, was sick 12 days before she went to the hospital. By then she lost her sense of taste and smell, and nausea and vomiting had kicked in. She had called the city’s 311 emergency phone number for advice, but they told her to stay home and ride it out. On the twelfth day, she was feeling extremely ill, so she called an Uber to drive her to Mount Sinai Hospital. She was admitted with pneumonia, acute kidney injury and for two weeks drifted in and out of reality.

“Luckily, I didn’t need a ventilator,” Toure recalls, “but in three days I needed emergency kidney dialysis. My creatinine levels went to a high of 14 within a week until my kidneys ultimately failed.”

Formerly a strong and healthy woman with no underlying health conditions, Toure has beaten Covid-19 after a four-week hospital stint, but the disease has ravaged her kidneys and long-term health prospects. She lives with severe edema and now takes trips to the dialysis center three to four times a week. In the months ahead, she is planning a living donor kidney transplant. Her 21-year-old son plans to donate his kidney to keep her alive.

Toure’s tale demonstrates a harsh reality. Severe coronavirus patients are often as much in need of dialysis machines as they are ventilators. Many of the ones who recover from Covid-19 have some form of residual kidney damage that can last for months, years or even permanently.

A study from Mount Sinai Hospital System in New York is a microcosm of the trend. Forty-six percent of patients that were admitted to the hospital with Covid-19 since the beginning of the pandemic had some form of acute kidney injury; of those, 17% required urgent dialysis.

Surprisingly, 82% of patients that got an acute kidney injury had no history of kidney issues; 18% did. More than a third of patients that survived did not recover the same kidney function they had before contracting the virus.

The study, conducted Feb. 24–May 30, tracked a population of nearly 4,000 patients with a median age of 64. Mount Sinai used an AI tool it co-developed in collaboration with RenalytixAI, called KidneyIntelX, that rates a person’s chances of getting kidney disease.

Unfortunately, this is a phenomenon being seen throughout the U.S. and around the world, says Dr. Alan Kliger, co-chair of the American Society of Nephrology Covid-19 Response Team. Since late February he has been working with the CDC to share trends on how the virus is affecting the kidneys in patients at hospitals across the country. “What we have observed is that approximately 10% to 50% of patients with severe Covid-19 that go into intensive care have kidney failure that requires some form of dialysis.”

There are several ways this viral disease can make kidneys fail, Dr. Kliger notes. Some evidence shows immune systems go into overdrive and produce inflammatory cytokines, known as cytokine storms, which can hurt the kidneys as well as other organs. In other cases, biopsies have shown that the virus directly attacks the kidney by entering through ACE-2 receptors the coronavirus can hook to and then infect cells. In other cases, patients become so seriously ill from Covid-19 it can trigger sepsis, which can lead to multiple organ failure. Finally, there is also evidence that ventilators can reduce blood flow through the kidney in patients with severe lung disease due to Covid-19 and that in turn can hurt the organ.

Another epidemic in the making

This is yet another public health crisis that will sweep the nation, experts predict. Pre-pandemic, the U.S. was spending about $100 billion annually to treat the nearly 40 million Americans suffering from chronic kidney disease who need dialysis and organ transplants. It was the ninth-leading cause of death in the nation due to the rise of rise in obesity and Type 2 diabetes, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In response, President Donald Trump launched the Advancing America Kidney Health Initiative last year.

Now kidney disease is surging, exacerbated by the surge in Covid-19 cases throughout the country.

“The next epidemic will be chronic kidney disease in the U.S. among those who recovered from the coronavirus,” says Dr. Steven Coca, associate professor of nephrology at Mount Sinai Health System and co-founder of RenalytixAI. “Since the start of the coronavirus pandemic we have seen the highest rate of kidney failure in our lifetimes. It’s a long-term health burden for patients, the medical community -- and the U.S. economy.”

In response, medical experts are using AI technology to identify biomarkers in Covid patients — including multiple plasma biomarkers and urine proteomics and RNA sequences — with the highest risk of kidney injury. “This will help us do some predictive analysis. We are hoping RNA sequencing may give us some clues,” Dr. Coca says.

Using KidneyIntelX — a diagnostic that has received a FDA breakthrough device designation, uses machine learning algorithms to assess the combination of blood-based biomarkers, electronic health records information and other genomic information to identify progressive kidney disease in patients — Mount Sinai Health System is conducting a multicenter study with other leading medical centers in the U.S. to assess kidney complications in recovered Covid-19 patients. The goal is to get a wider view of the trend.

Investigative teams expected to participate in the study include experts from Mount Sinai, Yale, University of Michigan, Johns Hopkins and Rutgers.

Initial research findings are expected to be reported in late 2020.

In addition, Mount Sinai Health System’s high-performance serologic SARS-CoV-2 testing will be used to quantitatively assess a patient’s antibody levels to COVID-19 over time, providing valuable insights into the interaction between immune response and kidney-related complications in this patient population.

“The goal is to assess the risk of kidney disease and kidney failure,” says Tom McLain, president and chief commercial officer of RenalytixAI.

Thankfully, not all severe Covid-19 patients get permanent kidney damage. Steve Lazos, is a case in point. He had a serious case of the coronavirus in mid-March and was hospitalized at Northshore Hospital with pneumonia at the height of the crisis in New York City. “My kidneys took a hit,” he recalls ” but luckily they rebounded and got back to normal. It was a slow recovery.”

Studying this health issue is critical now. According to Neville Sanjana, PhD., a biology professor at NYU and scientist at the NYU Langone’s Genome Center who is working on Covid-19 research using the Crispr gene editing tool. What he has found at his lab is that the coronavirus virus has mutated and it is now more infectious than the original strain and it can affect all types of human cells and human organs.

People that already have kidney problems including those on dialysis are among the most vulnerable now during this pandemic. According to Dr.Kliger, “this is a group more likely to get the virus, have complications or die. As government officials discuss how to deploy testing nationwide this population must be a priority.”

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ginnie6

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One of our local news anchors and her whole family have covid. She has a newborn too. Seems for now they are all ok but they were told to wear masks in their home.

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Our entire family has COVID.
That’s a direct way to say it, but I don’t have any bandwidth left to beat around the bush. The past two weeks have been a surreal, quarantine-illness-filled-world…while living and raising a newborn. At 10-days-old, Hobie was “the youngest person tested in Mecklenburg County” and “youngest presumptively positive case,” according to the county health department. I’m writing now because we are all okay.
Please know that: We Are All Okay.
But, it is nutty. I couldn’t script the life we’ve been living if I tried: Parker got it first. Of the various visions I had about coming home with a new baby, none included the whole family in isolation with a potentially deadly virus.
I instinctively want to make a joke about that last sentence. As if it’s funny. It’s not, but twisted humor—while keeping myself positive—was my way of coping these last two weeks. If you're laughing, you're too distracted to scream.
To be clear, I didn’t want to tell you guys until we were out of the woods. I didn’t want to cause unnecessary alarm. I also didn’t want to post something on Facebook, just to post something. It seemed insincere and wrong to falsely imply life was grandly perfect, when reality was difficult, scary, and in moments, a comedy of errors.
In our latest video medical appointment three days ago, the doctor said writing details about what our family has gone through might help someone else. We’ve learned lessons. I understand, in a personal way, more about this virus and its myriad of symptoms. As my doctor said: “This is not a political issue—it’s a public health crisis. One your family has been living. Please help educate as best you can.”
Education. Got it. I can do that.
So… want to hear a crazy story?
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While I was in the hospital having a baby, Parker got exposed to COVID. She showed no symptoms for days so when Wes and I returned home with Hobie, and all of us were hugging and kissing the baby, we were all unknowingly exposed. On Hobie’s third day of life… less than 18-hours at home with him… Parker started complaining of a sore throat and ears popping when she swallowed. Allergy-like feelings.
Normally, I wouldn’t think anything about a sore throat. Only, we’d just left a hospital and its multitude of warnings were in my head. I instantly wondered about COVID.
The next morning, I insisted she and Hutch get tested. We were going to the pediatrician’s office anyway for Hobie’s first appointment and it was easy: They stayed in the car and a nurse came to the parking lot and swabbed their noses. I half-thought I was being helicopter-parent crazy, but, whatever. Nothing lost if the test was negative.
Right? Right.
The pediatrician asked if she’d been around anyone who had it. I said, “No.” At the time I didn’t know my mother-in-law, who was watching them while we were in the hospital, had symptoms. The doctor said HOW and WHERE people are getting it almost doesn’t matter. Everyone can get easily exposed.
“The cat is out of the bag,” she said. “We should all be careful, but, there’s a chance everyone will have it at some point. We hear of people every day who are positive and have no idea where they got it.”
She told us to cancel my stepmom’s visit to come help with Hobie and quarantine as a family until the kids’ results were back. Rest of the day was fine.
But that night Parker woke up in a deep sweat. Came to me crying, feeling nauseous, with her hair matted back from her forehead, wet and sticky. She slept on the floor, with soaked skin and one arm wrapped around a bowl.
She never actually threw up. (In case that helps when looking for symptoms in your own kids.) But she felt like absolute hell. Wes and I were up more with her that night than with 4-day-old Hobie.
Here is the truth: I was petrified. Parker and Hutch have had nighttime sickness before, but those past moments weren’t during COVID. This world in which we live can make you paranoid. It can make your mind go down dangerous rabbit holes. Every horrific headline I’ve read and reported on, reappeared in my mind. Watching Parker toss and sweat, combined with having a newborn with zero immune system nearby, combined with middle-of-night-hazy-unclear-thoughts… it added up to awful. I’d feed him, then go wipe her forehead with a cold, wet paper towel, then try to dig myself out of a bad mental ditch. I was calm and patient all night long on the outside; a floppy mess of fear-filled, limp feelings inside.
And then…
Thank God…
Her fever broke the next morning.
She woke up. She looked at me, staring back at her.
“Mommy… I feel better.”
That’s all she said. She knew. She knew simply by looking at my face peering into hers, how the night had ripped us both apart.
By that afternoon, she was back to riding her hoverboard in our house, feeling good.
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But also by that afternoon, Wes had lost all sense of taste and smell. He felt lethargic. He called around and took the next available appointment to get tested, days later.
Even if Parker’s was a stomach bug, the one symptom that defines coronavirus is “no taste; no smell.” We had to assume Wes was positive and felt grateful we’d been in family quarantine. Hutch and Hobie felt fine and I felt tired, but I’d just had a baby. Of course my body ached. Of course I was exhausted. I could taste and smell and thought nothing of the other post-partum like symptoms.
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Days later, Parker’s test came back positive. Hutch’s was negative, but the pediatrician said to assume it was a false negative or a bad swab, and to consider him “presumptively positive.” Wes was still down and out with exhaustion. I told her I hadn’t had any major symptoms.
Through a video conference call, she said Hutch, Parker, and Wes should stay in one part of the house and Hobie and I should quarantine in another room away from them for the next few weeks.
Keep Hutch away from Hobie in the same house?
I thought she was kidding.
She wasn’t. And if we had to see each other, she said, just make sure we all wore masks within our own home. There wasn’t data on newborns and COVID yet. Anecdotally, they weren’t seeing many cases (comforting to hear), but we needed to protect Hobie as much as possible.
The logistics of staying separate from two kids, while Wes worked remotely in a home office while fighting COVID, with me trying to feed a baby in one room while also getting lunches and meals and trying to parent P and H through walls… I mean… just not realistic. We stayed apart for about a day, but eventually turned to wearing masks.
Meantime, my body aches were getting worse. I also had a pounding headache that wouldn’t go away. It didn’t seem odd. The responsibilities being managed—while making sure to feed a baby every three hours—would hurt anyone’s head. There was nothing, I told myself, to worry about.
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The Mecklenburg County Health Department started calling. We were on its radar.
“You’re breaking our protocols,” multiple nurses said with light laughs. “We don’t have many families with a newborn in the records. We just want to make sure you’re taking care of yourselves.”
I was honest in my reply: We were doing the best we could.
The Health Department nurses were kind. They gave me cell phone numbers to text for information. They kept calling, various nurses, and I kept nodding at the phone as if they could see me… as if that would make the calls go faster. I wanted to stop answering everyone’s endless questions; the same endless list of questions I’d just answered for someone else. Hobie was crying and Hutch and Parker were fighting. Family members wanted updates. Dishes needed washed. What were we doing for dinner? Laundry was spilling into the hallways. Everyone else needed me and I wanted to stop picking up the phone.
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Another 24-hours later, Wes’s test came back positive and Hutch had a fever. Low-grade. 100.7. I called the pediatrician.
“Assume he has it,” she said. “His symptoms are just a week late. Molly—you need to get tested.”
But I don’t have a fever, I told her.
“Needing to have a fever is a misconception with coronavirus,” she said. “You’re high risk with a newborn and three of your family members are now for sure positive. Go get tested.”
Easier said than done. I called hotlines and clinics; appointments weren’t available for days. Right at the point of tipping-point frustration, the Health Department called. Again. Just to, thankfully, check-in. Bless the nurses who have to deal with impatient patients like me. I asked her where to go.
She told me about a drive-up clinic on Freedom Drive at the newly-constructed Michael Jordan Health Clinic in west Charlotte. You didn’t need an appointment, she said. You didn’t even need a primary care provider. It was open Monday-Friday from 8a-noon. Get there early, she added. There is usually a long line.
The next morning I was the 28th car in line at 7:30am. The reporter in me counted.
It was organized and moved fast. The nurse practitioner who approached my vehicle, Courtney, had the best bedside (car-side?) manner imaginable. I started coughing while telling her my situation. I really was, I realized while barreling through facts, simply exhausted.
“So your whole family has it?” she asked.
Everyone but the baby, I replied.
“Call your husband and have him drive the baby here,” she said. “I am giving you a rapid test, and then I’m taking you inside this clinic to get a chest X-ray. You don’t sound good and I want your newborn tested as well.”
My COVID test was positive.
The X-ray also showed I had pneumonia.
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Courtney called in a strong antibiotic to the pharmacy.
“You are doing what every woman I have seen is doing,” she scolded. “You’re taking care of your kids and family and ignoring yourself. Get the medicine. Go home. Go to sleep.”
With my wrist appropriately slapped, and our quarantine calendar count starting over with a new 10-days, I went home and did what Courtney said.
==
Hobie’s rapid test came back negative, but—like Hutch days before—we were told to assume he was positive. The thought crossed my mind that if the newsroom had seen “ten days old” on a press release about daily COVID testing statistics, we’d probably try to track that family down and see if they wanted to share their story.
Yet, it wasn’t some nameless, mysterious family. It was me. My kids. My baby.
The great part in all this is, even as I type now, more than ten days later, Hobie has not shown one symptom. I have watched him like a hawk. Over-studied every breath while watching his tiny rib cage rise and fall. He is a healthy champ, who also handled the cold-turkey switch to all-formula really well. He had no choice but to accept the new diet. The antibiotic in my body was too strong for him.
Turns out, it was also too strong for me.
Two days after starting the pills, I woke up in hives. Not just a little scratching… a severe allergic reaction where my body was a walking red welt and my face looked like a swollen game of connect-the-dots. The doctor took one look through the computer screen and switched my meds. The second meds I started made me throw up. I stuck with them. Still on them now. Pneumonia is nothing to mess with and I need something, so, whatever. I’m ignoring the nausea.
Let’s just say… photos of Hobie’s first weeks of life will make quite a scrapbook. Everyone holding him is wearing masks, and his mother looks like a large uncomfortable tomato-head. It’s A) laughable and almost inhuman.
==
Lessons learned, that can hopefully help you:
- You don’t need to have a fever.
- One family can have totally different symptoms.
- Parker: Allergies and a fever.
- Wes: No taste/no smell, lethargy.
- Hutch: Cold and runny nose.
- Me: Body aches, shortness of breath, headache.
- Seems newborns aren’t getting it very often.
- Hobie remains—so far—unscathed.
- Kids are not immune.
- Read again: Your children are not immune.
- No matter how careful you are...
- Anyone can be exposed.
- Pediatrician: “The cat is out of the bag.”
- Other side effects can appear.
- They can be worse than the virus.
- For me, pneumonia.
- Get checked. Don’t wait.
- Don’t assume it’s something else.
- This is not the flu.
- One big difference is the incubation period.
- Parker had it days before showing symptoms.
- We had no indication.
- She was around a handful of people.
- All were tested and (thankfully) negative.
- Before we knew results, we made a chart.
- Who the people she was around, were around…
- Then who those people were around…
- Then who that layer of people were around...
- If you want to be horrified:
- Make a graph that starts with your daughter.
- This virus is like a wave.
- Just one case can wipe out many people.
- Parker alone could’ve infected dozens.
- Long-term effects.
- What are they?
- Studies show issues could appear later.
- Time will tell. Not sweating that today.
==
For now, I’m just glad the fire is extinguished and the smoke around our family is clearing. I am usually eerily calm in crisis situations and am proud of surviving this one, but can’t deny how rocked I was watching Parker sweat through the night or my vigilant round-the-clock watch over Hobie.
Relief is an underrated sensation. It covers me right now as I watch the kids argue and Hobie sleepily smile and Wes feel okay… and yes… I am getting my energy back. Not there 100% but it is a beautiful feeling to know we’ll be okay.
As we’ve crawled back into the light, I’ve been consumed thinking about the families who make up the growing statistics we see day after day after day. The people filled with pain and loss, who aren’t okay. Currently North Carolina has had close to 2,000 people die from COVID; Mecklenburg County itself has had over 20,000 positive cases, and over 200 deaths.
My heart breaks for those people. It did before; it breaks even more now having just a small taste of the isolation and loneliness.
This is not a made-up, fictitious illness meant to be politicized. You can have an opinion on how it should be handled; but don’t fool yourself into thinking it’s not real. It’s real. I watched my 10-day-old get a nasal swab from a nurse practitioner covered head-to-toe in a protective suit, while his 9-year-old sister tried to calm him without being allowed to touch him. This, while I was in another car reviewing X-rays with a doctor, looking at nodules on my lungs.
It’s real.
So, be careful. Share the lessons. Symptoms range from almost anything mild to anything notable. Just, please, be smart and only spread factual information.
Crazy world we’re in. Please, please, please be safe.
-Molly
PS: I’ll share more photos of Hobie’s first few weeks—all masked up—below in comments. If Facebook lets me. If it’s being fickle, I’ll have the photos on my Instagram as well (@molly_grantham). He is the greatest baby.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Indiana, Hendricks Co = the third county to have a case within the school system.

Second Avon High School staff member tests positive for COVID-19
by: FOX59 Web
Posted: Aug 3, 2020 / 09:57 PM EDT / Updated: Aug 4, 2020 / 05:20 AM EDT

AVON, Ind. — An employee at Avon High School has tested positive for COVID-19, school officials announced Monday. The school learned of the positive test Monday and will follow the guidance of the Hendricks County Health Department.

Students and staff who were in “close contact” with the employee have been contacted and may only return to the school under the instruction of county health officials. Close contact is defined as being within six feet of an individual for 15 minutes or more.

School officials say the staff member has been in the school building since school began. (Avon schools began 7/29) “The spaces requiring disinfecting have been closed, and disinfecting will be completed tonight,” Avon High School Principal Matthew Shockley said Monday in a voice message to parents.

Another staff member tested positive for COVID-19 last week, but school officials say the staff member stayed home when they began to feel symptomatic the week prior and has not been at the school.

 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
This first wave was just a test run. See how far they can push the American people. The second wave will be far more deadly if you interpret that Gates smirking video where he says the second wave will get peoples attention.

At play are election optics, the better the Dim candidate the less severe the second wave.

Based on that, better buckle down the hatches as it will be a bumpy ride.
I can't find the Gates video. But I think from what I recall, I don't know if he was talking about wave 2 of covid. Unfortunately, I got the impression it was something else. Roughly, I think he said "if you thought this was bad wait til you see what's coming. That will really get your attention." I think that is what he said.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
This is frightening. Coming soon to a city near us? People - just MASK UP - so this virus goes away and these draconian, big brother steps won't need to be taken....

(fair use applies)

Singapore to make travellers wear electronic tags to enforce quarantine
The devices will track wearers' movements, and any attempt to leave home will trigger an alert to the authorities

by Reuters
Monday, 3 August 2020 04:37 GMT

Singapore will make some incoming travellers wear an electronic monitoring device to ensure that they comply with coronavirus quarantines as the city-state gradually reopens its borders, authorities said on Monday.

From August 11, the devices will be given to incoming travellers, including citizens and residents, from a select group of countries who will be allowed to isolate at home rather than at a state-appointed facility.

Similar measures using electronic wristbands to track peoples' movements during quarantine have been used in Hong Kong and South Korea.

Travellers to Singapore are required to activate the device, which use GPS and Bluetooth signals, upon reaching their home and will receive notifications on the device which they must acknowledge.

Any attempt to leave home or tamper with the device will trigger an alert to the authorities.

Hong Kong in March introduced a scheme for incoming travellers to use a slim electronic wristband, similar to a tag worn by hospital patients, to enforce quarantines for arriving passengers. South Korea has also used such wristbands connected to smartphone apps for those who violate quarantine.

Singapore, which has not given details on what the device will look like, said in a statement that it will not store any personal data and does not have any voice or video recording function.

Those aged 12 and below will not have to wear the devices.

The city-state, which is also planning to give all residents a wearable virus-tracing dongle, has tough punishments for breach of its quarantine and social distancing rules.

Under the Infectious Diseases Act, punishments can be fines of up to S$10,000 ($7,272) or imprisonment of up to six months, or both. It has also revoked the work passes of foreigners who flouted the rules.

Singapore has reported 52,825 coronavirus infections, mostly due to mass outbreaks in cramped migrant workers dormitories, but imported cases have been creeping up in recent days.

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Ready or not, here it comes!!!!
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ8M4pBg03U
13:43 min
129 - COVID-19 and the Looming Eviction Crisis
•Aug 4, 2020


Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Forty million people are at risk of eviction in the US as a result of COVID-19-related unemployment. Emily Benfer, Wake Forest law professor and co-creator of the Princeton Eviction Lab’s COVID-19 Housing Policy Scorecard, talks with Stephanie Desmon about what could be the biggest housing crisis in US history and the lasting impact this could have on individuals, communities, and the housing market.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPFsPDm4s-0
24:29 min
US and Australia Update
•Aug 4, 2020


Dr. John Campbell

MASKS ARE CRITICAL NOT POLITICAL

Australia Cases, 18,730 Deaths, 232 Premiers not Governors https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/coronavirus Victoria July, 53% not adhering to self-isolation between testing and getting results Cases, + 439 = 12,335 Active cases, 6,706 Total tests, 1, 697, 953 Deaths, 147 Hospitalised, 416, 35 in ITU https://covidlive.com.au NSW Cases, 3,809 Hospitalised, 13, 8 in ITU QL Cases, 1,085 Hospitalised, 7, 0 in ITU WA Cases, 669 Hospitalised, 0 SA 457 Hospitalised, 0 Tasmania 229 Hospitalised, 0 NT Cases, 33 Hospitalised, 3, 0 in ITU

US Cases, 4, 718, 249 40 % of these cases were in July Deaths, 155, 478 Masks required in refuge centres House parties in Nashville River party in Illinois Rave under bridge in Brooklyn Highest cases per capita Louisiana Mississippi Mayor Lumumba (Jackson) Situation is dire Chicago Moving from school hybrid system to all online Dr. Birx No region is immune Navajo nation Highest death rate per capita South West Intermittent electricity 30% no running water Uranium contamination California Population 39.5m Gavin Newsom Cases, 514,901 Deaths, 9,388 (Governor’s office data) 8m tests Rate of positive results 7% Down from 7.5% 2 weeks ago This virus is not going away. It’s not going to take Labor Day weekend off, Halloween off, or the holidays off. Until we have a vaccine we are going to be living with this virus.

Spain Cases, + 968 3 days last week, + 1,000 Active clusters, 560 up from 483 last Thursday Italy Cases, 248,228 Deaths, 35, 166 Cases, about 1.5 million (2.5%) of the population (health officials from antibody studies) Deaths, 35,000 IFR = (2.3%) Belgium Cases, 70, 314 Deaths, 9, 850 https://www.theguardian.com/world/liv... ITU admissions doubled in a month
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT2ZSel_LoU
3:48 min
Gov. Cuomo: 'Nation Learned Nothing' From New York Spike In Cases | MSNBC
•Aug 3, 2020


MSNBC

On the spike in coronavirus cases across the United States, Governor Andrew Cuomo blames the White House for the lack of a ‘national strategy:’ “We handled it in New York and the nation learned nothing from that experience, frankly.” Aired on 08/03/2020.

Actually, we learned a lot you creepy ghoul.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EldUoX14DIM
55:22 min
Introducing CDC’s COVID-19 Health Equity Strategy
•Aug 4, 2020


Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

Dr. Brooks shared updates on CDC’s COVID-19 response, including the latest scientific information and what everyone should know about protecting themselves and others. Dr. Liburd discussed CDC’s newly released COVID-19 Response Health Equity Strategy: Accelerating Progress Towards Reducing COVID-19 Disparities and Achieving Health Equity.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7cVsWBfupE
10:06 min
The Best Way to Prevent Getting Coronavirus - *NEW* Respokare® N95 Respirator Mask
•Aug 4, 2020


Doctor Mike Hansen


There is a brand new N95 respirator mask that is NOW available to the public. It’s also a lot more comfortable compared to other N95 masks, and also has the added benefit of inactivating viral and bacterial proteins.

Here is the link: https://shrsl.com/2f2xa The TRUTH of How Coronavirus Spreads and How to Prevent Coronavirus: Watch Now: https://youtu.be/xJ4Epf8i1uk

How can you prevent inhaling the virus? The best thing you can do to prevent inhaling the virus into your lungs…Is to wear an N95 mask or an elastomeric mask. N95 respirators are tight-fitting and filter out at least 95% of airborne particles as small as 0.3 microns. But, the CDC recommends the public not to purchase these, and not to wear these.

And there are multiple reasons for that. These n95 masks are being reserved for health care workers. And Amazon will not sell them right now. They’re also uncomfortable, and your voice gets muffled, or make you feel smothered. It partially obstructs airflow in and out of your mouth and nostrils, so if you have an underlying lung condition, like COPD emphysema, probably not something you can tolerate for very long. Also, these have to fit properly on your face to be effective, and in order to do so, you can’t have most types of facial hair, because that can disrupt a good seal of the mask. An elastomeric respirator is a reusable device with exchangeable cartridge filters. Like an N95 respirator, it also filters out at least 95% of airborne particles as small as 0.3 microns. It fits tight against the user's face but is more comfortable than an N95. Before reusing the mask, all its surfaces need to be wiped down with a disinfectant.

So although both of these are not perfect, they are very effective at preventing inhalation of the virus. So these are the best way to prevent inhaling coronavirus, as well as other viruses like influenza and measles, but wearing these is not necessarily a practical thing to do. But, then, just last week, another doctor saw my video on airborne transmission, and messaged me on Instagram, asking me if I heard about this new Respokare® NIOSH N95 mask. And so I looked it up online and did a bunch of research on it. The company that makes the mask is Innonix. At first, I thought this would be some sort of gimmicky mask, but I was wrong.

I was impressed enough to reach out to them and ask if I could review the mask and possibly make a video about it, and they sent me a few samples, and here we are. Just like a regular N95, such as this one that we use in the hospital, made by the company 3M, this mask will filter out particles as small as 0.3 microns. It’s also listed on the CDC’s website of NIOSH-Approved N95 Respirators. It’s also FDA approved. So what sets this mask apart from a regular N95 mask? Several things, actually. For one, it's much more comfortable to wear. You’ve probably seen pictures of health care workers with marks and lines and even bruising on their faces as a result of wearing N95s. And from my personal experience, they’re just not comfortable, especially for more than an hour or two of use. The company also claims that it can “inactivate up to 99.9% of particles within minutes,” So not only trapping viruses and bacteria but destroying them too.

This new KN95 Respokare mask has 4 layers, and the innermost layer is built of soft materials to ensure comfort during periods of long-wear, and is also water-resistant, which is also nice.

On top of that are 3 more layers, that serve to not only trap fine particles, but one of the layers contains copper and zinc ions which serve to destruct viruses and bacteria. Also, the outermost layer has an acidic coating, creating a low pH environment, which helps to destroy viral and bacterial proteins. Unfortunately, I was not able to find any published evidence of this in a medical journal. They also show tables of which viruses and bacteria become activated with a few minutes. So this includes not only coronavirus, but also other viruses and bacteria that can become airborne, like influenza, measles, and some bacteria like tuberculosis, and also helps to prevent inhaling allergens, and pollution. So this is something I am going to buy more of, not only for myself, my friends and family. Also, if you are around other people, don’t forget to protect your eyes with goggles, or glasses that don’t let air in. And try not to touch your face or mask without having clean hands.

Coronavirus | COVID-19 YouTube Video Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list... Dr. Mike Hansen, MD Internal Medicine | Pulmonary Disease | Critical Care Medicine Website: https://doctormikehansen.com/ Instagram Account: http://instagram.com/doctor.hansen/
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23vJ0CME8BI
39:29 min
UK Data and Australian prospective
•Aug 4, 2020


Dr. John Campbell

UK, Cases, 307,252 or 2, 800, 000 Deaths, 46,295 Case fatality rate = 15% Infection fatality rate = 1.65% Deaths with positive test result 46,210 Death certificates with COVID-19 55,763 IFR, 1.99% Excess deaths for the time period 63, 957 IFR, 2.28% ONS R = 0.8 – 0.9 (SAGE, 31st July) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati... 20th to 26th July Slight increase in the number in England testing positive in recent weeks Based on nose and throat swabs 35,700 people in the community in England had COVID-19 (0.07% of the community population) New infections also increased An estimated 4,200 new cases of COVID-19 per day in England. New cases, 2,110 (Tracker app) 26 April and 26 July 2020 1 in 16 people (6.2%) who provided blood samples tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies This equates to 2.8 million people in England These numbers exclude people in hospitals and care homes Week ending 17th July 2020 (Week 29) England and Wales Deaths involving COVID-19 = 295 (3.3% of all deaths in that week) 22nd to 26th July 2020 65% of adults in Great Britain worried about the effect of (COVID-19) on their life
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ste5MzR3AW8
12:34 min
Coronavirus Infection Among Health Care Workers in Houston, Texas
•Streamed live 44 minutes ago


JAMA Network

Roberta L. Schwartz, PhD joins JAMA Network Open Digital Media Editor, Seth Trueger, MD, MPH, to discuss a cross-sectional study examining rates of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection among asymptomatic health care workers and community residents in the greater Houston, Texas, area. Read the article here: https://ja.ma/3f8lvcz. JNO Live is a weekly broadcast featuring conversations about the latest research being published in JAMA Network Open.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

marsh

On TB every waking moment
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8:23 min
THIEVERY: The Fed wants ANOTHER lockdown but 55% of restaurants are already PERMANENTLY closed
•Aug 4, 2020


Glenn Beck

The way the Fed has navigated this COVID-19 pandemic is nothing short of thievery. It's buying stocks & bribing big businesses, while forcing small ones to close...stealing business owners' livelihood and wealth. Now, at least some in the Fed are calling for ANOTHER lockdown, but there's no way small businesses struggling to find the light during this year's chaos would continue to survive: a new report from Yelp says 55 PERCENT of all restaurants that were temporarily closed due to coronavirus are now permanently closed.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azUTPWXUgA0
6:21 min
Bolivia overwhelmed by the coronavirus pandemic | DW News
•Aug 4, 2020


DW News Germany

Bolivia is at the epicenter of the global coronavirus pandemic with the country's health care system overwhelmed by the spread of the disease. Most of the more than 80,000 infections are in the capital La Paz, where hospitals, laboratories and funeral homes are on the brink of collapse. In just five days, the police collected more than 140 bodies from the streets.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

Redding, Calif. — Doctor George Domb is an ear, nose, and throat specialist in Redding.
He has been practicing for more than 40 years and he says he has a simple way to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
Doctor Domb says combining "Povidone Iodine”, brand name betadine, with a saline nasal spray is a powerful way to kill coronavirus.

He says when a high proportion of ENT doctors started dying, others started using it to protect themselves.

"Somewhere along the line after I started using it in the nose to prevent myself from getting COVID-19, I started giving it to my patients, the ones in my office, and then a little while ago I started thinking the whole pandemic could be squelched if enough people throughout a community use it," Dr. Domb explained.

It is all available over the counter at your local pharmacy.

Povidone Iodine is a disinfectant, and you want the solution, not the scrub.

Dr. Domb says to mix half a teaspoon of the 10% Povidone Iodine solution with a 44-mL spray bottle of saline nasal spray and shake it up.

He has given it to his family members.

Amanda Domb, Dr. Domb’s daughter said, "I use it four times a day, it's super easy to use, it doesn't hurt or anything. You just do it twice in each nostril, sniff a little bit and it's done. It's like really easy to add towards your morning routine and after you spray it in, if you just kind of tilt your head back that helps as well. It's just an easy precaution to take. I also am always wearing my mask, social distancing, but this is just like that extra layer of protection that is helpful."

Dr. Domb says studies can take up to a year. And having three daughters in Los Angeles, a COVID-19 hotspot, pushed him to speak out now.

"I'm saying it kills it 100% in the laboratory, it's 100% safe, and we've used it for years and we know it kills bacteria in the nose. So, to me it was just common sense," continued Dr. Domb.
Dr. Domb has taken this all the way to the Infectious Disease Society of America guidelines doctor who told him they're awaiting results from studies.

Finally, he says this will not work for an estimated 10 to 15% of the population.

Do not use it if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, have hyperthyroidism, are being treated for thyroid cancer with irradiated iodine, or hypersensitive to iodine. It should not be used on children younger than 6.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap

Redding, Calif. — Doctor George Domb is an ear, nose, and throat specialist in Redding.
He has been practicing for more than 40 years and he says he has a simple way to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
Doctor Domb says combining "Povidone Iodine”, brand name betadine, with a saline nasal spray is a powerful way to kill coronavirus.

He says when a high proportion of ENT doctors started dying, others started using it to protect themselves.

"Somewhere along the line after I started using it in the nose to prevent myself from getting COVID-19, I started giving it to my patients, the ones in my office, and then a little while ago I started thinking the whole pandemic could be squelched if enough people throughout a community use it," Dr. Domb explained.

It is all available over the counter at your local pharmacy.

Povidone Iodine is a disinfectant, and you want the solution, not the scrub.

Dr. Domb says to mix half a teaspoon of the 10% Povidone Iodine solution with a 44-mL spray bottle of saline nasal spray and shake it up.

He has given it to his family members.

Amanda Domb, Dr. Domb’s daughter said, "I use it four times a day, it's super easy to use, it doesn't hurt or anything. You just do it twice in each nostril, sniff a little bit and it's done. It's like really easy to add towards your morning routine and after you spray it in, if you just kind of tilt your head back that helps as well. It's just an easy precaution to take. I also am always wearing my mask, social distancing, but this is just like that extra layer of protection that is helpful."

Dr. Domb says studies can take up to a year. And having three daughters in Los Angeles, a COVID-19 hotspot, pushed him to speak out now.

"I'm saying it kills it 100% in the laboratory, it's 100% safe, and we've used it for years and we know it kills bacteria in the nose. So, to me it was just common sense," continued Dr. Domb.
Dr. Domb has taken this all the way to the Infectious Disease Society of America guidelines doctor who told him they're awaiting results from studies.

Finally, he says this will not work for an estimated 10 to 15% of the population.

Do not use it if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, have hyperthyroidism, are being treated for thyroid cancer with irradiated iodine, or hypersensitive to iodine. It should not be used on children younger than 6.

Most awesome...and inexpensive it is! Thank you because this is one of those posts that is a real BIG Blessing!
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.

Redding, Calif. — Doctor George Domb is an ear, nose, and throat specialist in Redding.
He has been practicing for more than 40 years and he says he has a simple way to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
Doctor Domb says combining "Povidone Iodine”, brand name betadine, with a saline nasal spray is a powerful way to kill coronavirus.

He says when a high proportion of ENT doctors started dying, others started using it to protect themselves.

"Somewhere along the line after I started using it in the nose to prevent myself from getting COVID-19, I started giving it to my patients, the ones in my office, and then a little while ago I started thinking the whole pandemic could be squelched if enough people throughout a community use it," Dr. Domb explained.

It is all available over the counter at your local pharmacy.

Povidone Iodine is a disinfectant, and you want the solution, not the scrub.

Dr. Domb says to mix half a teaspoon of the 10% Povidone Iodine solution with a 44-mL spray bottle of saline nasal spray and shake it up.

He has given it to his family members.

Amanda Domb, Dr. Domb’s daughter said, "I use it four times a day, it's super easy to use, it doesn't hurt or anything. You just do it twice in each nostril, sniff a little bit and it's done. It's like really easy to add towards your morning routine and after you spray it in, if you just kind of tilt your head back that helps as well. It's just an easy precaution to take. I also am always wearing my mask, social distancing, but this is just like that extra layer of protection that is helpful."

Dr. Domb says studies can take up to a year. And having three daughters in Los Angeles, a COVID-19 hotspot, pushed him to speak out now.

"I'm saying it kills it 100% in the laboratory, it's 100% safe, and we've used it for years and we know it kills bacteria in the nose. So, to me it was just common sense," continued Dr. Domb.
Dr. Domb has taken this all the way to the Infectious Disease Society of America guidelines doctor who told him they're awaiting results from studies.

Finally, he says this will not work for an estimated 10 to 15% of the population.

Do not use it if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, have hyperthyroidism, are being treated for thyroid cancer with irradiated iodine, or hypersensitive to iodine. It should not be used on children younger than 6.
This is the kind of info that really benefits people, that is, if they're willing to make the effort to put the info into action.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0hiFVm1U8
39:07 min
Covid-19 Lockdowns Doing Much More Harm Than Good?
•Premiered 4 hours ago


Peak Prosperity

Back from a much-deserved vacation, Chris dives into the latest coronavirus data and several insights are becoming clear: 1) Covid-19 is so infectious (R0 of 5+) that it will pretty much make its way through a population regardless of the efforts to avoid it 2) But, it only severely affects a small percentage of those who get it 3) And, more interesting, it's appearing that herd immunity happens quickly, at around 15% This leads to the conclusion that lockdowns may not be worth it. While they may slow the rate of infection spread somewhat, the economic damage they do can dwarf the benefits of that delay.

_________________________________________ TODAY'S VIDEO LINKS: Dutch study of 9400 cases https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11... England Seroprevalence https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status... Spain seroprevalence https://www.thelancet.com/action/show... Long Term Covid Costs https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/... Severe Kidney Damage https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/sever... Fauci “no end in sight’ https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectio... WHO no silver bullet https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavi... Insulin or Groceries https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fSz3y022o
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I'm saying it kills it 100% in the laboratory, it's 100% safe, and we've used it for years and we know it kills bacteria in the nose. So, to me it was just common sense," continued Dr. Domb.

Unfortunately, COVID is a virus. I'm not sure how effective Betadine is on viruses...

Summerthyme
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp0hiFVm1U8
39:07 min
Covid-19 Lockdowns Doing Much More Harm Than Good?
•Premiered 4 hours ago


Peak Prosperity

Back from a much-deserved vacation, Chris dives into the latest coronavirus data and several insights are becoming clear: 1) Covid-19 is so infectious (R0 of 5+) that it will pretty much make its way through a population regardless of the efforts to avoid it 2) But, it only severely affects a small percentage of those who get it 3) And, more interesting, it's appearing that herd immunity happens quickly, at around 15% This leads to the conclusion that lockdowns may not be worth it. While they may slow the rate of infection spread somewhat, the economic damage they do can dwarf the benefits of that delay.

_________________________________________ TODAY'S VIDEO LINKS: Dutch study of 9400 cases https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11... England Seroprevalence https://twitter.com/DevanSinha/status... Spain seroprevalence https://www.thelancet.com/action/show... Long Term Covid Costs https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/... Severe Kidney Damage https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/03/sever... Fauci “no end in sight’ https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectio... WHO no silver bullet https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavi... Insulin or Groceries https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fSz3y022o
For those that follow Martenson, I thought he has been saying that herd immunity is not a sure thing because people don't keep the antibodies for long? But in the above quote it sounds like he thinks herd immunity is possible?
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
As the OP of this thread, I do not want this thread closed. If it dies a natural death, so be it but don't close or lock it. There are other posters besides me and marsh on this thread. This isn't just a 2 people affair. danielboone, Mixin are two that come to mind who updated nightly. If you want to see the thread continue, post some articles. If everyone who was reading the updates here posts one article, it'll stay active. If it's updated once a week or once a month instead of daily, that's not unusual for TB, that happens with other long news threads, some of them are years old. If there's no interest, it will drop down through the pages and be available through search or archives. There is no reason to close this.

HD
 

ginnie6

Veteran Member
Carowinds sits on the NC/SC border with part of the park in each state. SC is much more open than NC.


By WBTV Web Staff | August 4, 2020 at 4:30 PM EDT - Updated August 5 at 6:47 AM

FORT MILL, S.C. (WBTV) - Carowinds will remain closed for the rest of 2020 due to challenges surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic.

Amusement park officials say with the diminishing number of calendar days left in the 2020 operating season, as well as limited visibility from state and local officials as to when a park opening is possible, the decision has been made to remain closed.



The park will continue to work with public health authorities to ensure guests can return to fun in a safe environment next season.

“We are disappointed that we are unable to welcome our guests back to the park this season,” said Pat Jones, Carowinds vice president and general manager. “The safety of our guests and associates is always our top priority. Although we have done our due diligence in developing a comprehensive safety plan in accordance with industry and public health standards, the continued uncertainty in our region brought by COVID-19 leads us to the difficult yet responsible decision to keep the park closed for the rest of the year. We look forward to a great 2021 season with new rides, attractions, and entertainment for the whole family. We thank our guests and associates for their continued loyalty and support during this challenging time.”

WBTV spoke to people along Carowinds Blvd. about the amusement park’s announcement Tuesday night.

“We understand the reason for it closing, it’s just sad that it is closing, but that’s the way of the world now,” said Carowinds fan Lavon Avery.

Donte Davis, a local father, said he too understands why it may be too difficult for the park to open amid the pandemic.



“Let’s say one person has COVID and they don’t know and they’re just spreading it to everyone in the park. Now, everyone who went to the park is infecting their family, their friends, so it’s an ongoing cycle,” noted Davis.

Taya Bittle, a mother from Shelby, North Carolina, said she thinks there are procedures the park could have taken to safely open up.

“There’s social distancing. There’s six feet. There’s ways you know you can limit the lines. You can limit how you go about things so there’s other things to do other than shut it down. Try to find some kind of medium of what you can do,” said Bittle.

Copyright 2020 WBTV. All rights reserved.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
As the OP of this thread, I do not want this thread closed. If it dies a natural death, so be it but don't close or lock it. There are other posters besides me and marsh on this thread. This isn't just a 2 people affair. danielboone, Mixin are two that come to mind who updated nightly. If you want to see the thread continue, post some articles. If everyone who was reading the updates here posts one article, it'll stay active. If it's updated once a week or once a month instead of daily, that's not unusual for TB, that happens with other long news threads, some of them are years old. If there's no interest, it will drop down through the pages and be available through search or archives. There is no reason to close this.

HD
I am totally opposed to closing this. CV19 has just started. I post a lot here. I have this thread open throughout the day and refresh constantly. This is my #1 resource for CV19 news.

If somebody's itchin' to close a thread try the More September Info thread. It has detriorated into a discussion about porta potties. Nothing to do with September at all.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
I think we should either keep this thread or break it into a monthly one but not close it.

Many of us will try to contribute to it, I know that Marth and I both try to post things from the UK and Ireland and I can step that up a bit.
 

Weft and Warp

Senior Member
Unfortunately, COVID is a virus. I'm not sure how effective Betadine is on viruses...

Summerthyme
I agree with you on that ... so I did some searching and found this (among other things): In Vitro Efficacy of Povidone-Iodine Nasal And Oral Antiseptic Preparations Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)

In Vitro Efficacy of Povidone-Iodine Nasal And Oral Antiseptic Preparations Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)
Jesse Pelletier, Belachew Tessema, Jonna Westover, Samantha Frank, Seth Brown, View ORCID ProfileJoseph Capriotti
doi: In Vitro Efficacy of Povidone-Iodine Nasal And Oral Antiseptic Preparations Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)

Abstract
Introduction:Improved antisepsis of human and non-human surfaces has been identified as a key feature of transmission reduction. There are no previous studies of povidone-iodine (PVP-I) against SARS-CoV-2. This study evaluated nasal and oral antiseptic formulations of povidone-iodine (PVP-I) for virucidal activity against SARS-CoV-2. This is the first report on the efficacy of PVP-I against the virus that causes COVID-19. Methods: PVP-I nasal antiseptic formulations and PVP-I oral rinse antiseptic formulations from 1-5% concentrations as well as controls were studied for virucidal efficacy against the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Test compounds were evaluated for ability to inactivate SARS-CoV-2 as measured in a virucidal assay. SARS-CoV-2 was exposed directly to the test compound for 60 seconds, compounds were then neutralized and surviving virus was quantified. Results: All concentrations of nasal antiseptics and oral rinse antiseptics evaluated completely inactivated the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Conclusions: Nasal and oral PVP-I antiseptic solutions are effective at inactivating the SARS-CoV-2 virus at a variety of concentrations after 60s exposure times. The formulations tested may help to reduce the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 if used for nasal decontamination, oral decontamination or surface decontamination in known or suspected cases of COVID-19.
 

Weft and Warp

Senior Member
Interesting! Thanks for the info...

Summerthyme
And although studies on how effective povidine iodine nasal sprays and mouth washes are against Covid-19 are being done right now, there is a long history of using these solutions in post surgery --wound infection treatments. So this type of spray has been around for awhile, it seems.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And although studies on how effective povidine iodine nasal sprays and mouth washes are against Covid-19 are being done right now, there is a long history of using these solutions in post surgery --wound infection treatments. So this type of spray has been around for awhile, it seems.
We use it mainly for eye surgeries but yes ver common.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYNSLGv0Qj8
15:09 min
130 - Dr. Indu Bhushan on COVID-19 and India’s Publicly Funded Health Care System, PM-JAY
•Aug 5, 2020


Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

India’s Pradhan Mantri Jan Arogya Yojana, or PM-JAY, was founded in 2018 as a government-funded health insurance initiative that provides free services to the poorest 40% of the population. Dr. Indu Bhushan, the Chief Executive Officer of the National Health Authority and CEO of the PM-JAY, talks with Sara Bennett about the COVID-19 pandemic in India and how the health system is addressing the crisis.
 
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