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Saw on local ABC 7 news this morning that Riverside County CA has launched an app for reporting people that don't comply with the order to wear masks. My own County San Bernadino is now requiring you to wear masks even when driving. Los Angeles is going to start issuing citations for non-compliance. Seems like they are tightening the screws a little at a time.
No animal control? Roaming feral cats are never a healthy situation. Trap 'em (or catch them if they are catchable) and get them to the local shelter. They carry rabies, feLV, and decimate the bird population.
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Melodi
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Call your local humane society or cat rescue and see if they are a managed colony (volunteers make sure the animals are spayed, neutered, vaccinated etc and feed, ill animals are treated or euthanized) or if they are simply feral cats that are sick, injured and diseased.
Managed colonies work in many places because cats will ALWAYS settle where cats like to be if not physically prevented from doing so - but if you have a managed and healthy cat colony they will stop new cats from settling down (with occasional exceptions who can be trapped, neutered and treated).
Totally feral colonies can be dangerous for all the above reasons especially in North America; rabies, FeLV and other issues; by the way I saw the BB gun on another post.
Please don't use those as the often injure rather than kill, if you live in a rural area with a feral colony that is a danger to your own barn cats (from disease) and other animals (via predation) my husband's Swedish hunting book suggests that the "The Usual Weapon of the Cat Hunter is the Shotgun."
They have this problem in rural Sweden a lot, though it is better than it used to be as more humane trapping, re-homing and euthanizing of sick animals (and people learning not to abandon cats) has taken hold.
But if you must kill feral cats (or other animals) please be a good hunter and make sure your prey doesn't suffer.
Managed colonies work in many places because cats will ALWAYS settle where cats like to be if not physically prevented from doing so - but if you have a managed and healthy cat colony they will stop new cats from settling down (with occasional exceptions who can be trapped, neutered and treated).
Totally feral colonies can be dangerous for all the above reasons especially in North America; rabies, FeLV and other issues; by the way I saw the BB gun on another post.
Please don't use those as the often injure rather than kill, if you live in a rural area with a feral colony that is a danger to your own barn cats (from disease) and other animals (via predation) my husband's Swedish hunting book suggests that the "The Usual Weapon of the Cat Hunter is the Shotgun."
They have this problem in rural Sweden a lot, though it is better than it used to be as more humane trapping, re-homing and euthanizing of sick animals (and people learning not to abandon cats) has taken hold.
But if you must kill feral cats (or other animals) please be a good hunter and make sure your prey doesn't suffer.
tno5
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they either are someone's cat that roams, some are kittens that are now kept with the mother in my neighbor's house and 2 others, i haven't seen for days... so maybe they are keeping them inside - i hope. animal control here is only taking emergency cases right now - like aggressive dogs.
Ah yes The Principle of the Moral Dilemma.This is a valid concern:
NEWSUS bishop vows to ‘refuse’ COVID-19 vaccine if made from ‘aborted fetal tissue’
'I will not kill children to live,' Bp. Joseph Strickland insisted.
Wed Apr 8, 2020 - 9:06 pm EST
TYLER, Texas, April 8, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas said he “will refuse” a potential vaccine for the coronavirus if it is made using tissue from “aborted children.”In a tweet, he expressed his sadnessover the fact that “even with Covid-19 we are still debating the use of aborted fetal tissue for medical research.”
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Pro-life organization Children of God for Life, which focuses on the question of ethical vaccines, had found out that several of the leading COVID-19 vaccine developments are using aborted fetal cells.
Debi Vinnedge, executive director of Children of God for Life, said “her heart sank when she discovered that Spike protein,” which is part of a vaccine being developed by Moderna, “was produced using HEK 293 aborted fetal cells.”
Similarly, a vaccine developer owned by Johnson & Johnson “is using [its] PER C6 Ad5 technology, derived from an aborted baby’s retinal tissue.”
According to Children of God for Life, during a hearing of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a physician revealed how he harvested the fetal cells.
“So I isolated retina from a fetus, from a healthy fetus as far as could be seen, of 18 weeks old,” Alex van der Eb said. “There was nothing special with a family history or the pregnancy was completely normal up to the 18 weeks, and it turned out to be a socially indicated abortus — abortus provocatus, and that was simply because the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus[.] ... [W]hat was written down was unknown father, and that was, in fact, the reason why the abortion was requested.”
He then admitted that “PER C6 was made just for pharmaceutical manufacturing of adenovirus vectors[.] ... And then pharmaceutical industry standard. I realize that this sounds a bit commercial, but PER C6 were made for that particular purpose.”
In a press release, Children of God for Life explained how “in most seasonal flu vaccines, the need to produce large quantities of vaccine quickly has been a problem for many years as pharmaceutical companies used chicken eggs to cultivate their viruses. It takes several months and millions of eggs needed to produce the vaccines and so many companies began to turn to other cell lines for faster production.”
However, Vinnedge pointed to another company, Sanofi, using a platform based on insect cells. “Their Sf9 cell line comes from the fall armyworm and is highly effective as a rapid growth medium. It has been used for several years in producing influenza vaccines.”
For now, Bishop Strickland appears to be on his own among the bishops in speaking out regarding the unethical use of aborted fetal tissue in the development of a COVID-19 vaccine.
Strickland is no stranger to being on his own when it comes to questions of principle. At the end of March, he refused to sign a “Statement on Scarce Healthcare Resources” by the Texas Catholic Conference of Bishops (TCCB) in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Strickland explained his decision, saying the TCCB statement, “while flowing from a laudable concern for the difficult challenges faced by health care professionals in respect to limited resources, fails to show a due regard for the importance of law and amounts to asking Governor Abbot to abandon the excellent laws he has helped put in place to protect the vulnerable.”
The bishop admitted the difficulty of making the correct decision in life-and-death situations when resources are limited. “Fortunately, and rightly, the law itself has a degree of flexibility in it that enables judges to be prudent and take into account factors that may lead to questionable decisions not motivated by malice of any kind but rather by misguided compassion.”
In this regard, Strickland called on judges, juries, and the public to be understanding, giving the benefit of the doubt to the people working in health care. “But to suspend the law altogether is to remove a major incentive for ensuring that due diligence is exercised in difficult times and puts the ill, vulnerable, poor, and marginalized at risk.”
The bishop of Tyler recalled that there are certain principles of moral theology that always have to be applied. “For example, the family should always be consulted and considered in making vital moral decisions such as these.” Similarly, the elderly, the disabled, and the most vulnerable “should always be protected and shown a love of preference,” as they are “the poor in our midst, during this pandemic.”
US bishop vows to ‘refuse’ COVID-19 vaccine if made from ‘aborted fetal tissue’ - LifeSite
'I will not kill children to live,' Bp. Joseph Strickland insisted.www.lifesitenews.com
Force your enemy into a position that no matter what he does is wrong or dangerous and you have him.
I love it. Demand purity. When they can't provide it (and they never can) curse them in the streets for incompetence.
Horowitz: Dr. Birx: 'We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality' | Blaze Media
Why would our governing elites be so motivated to overstate the impact of COVID-19 and scare people beyond the unprecedented levels of panic that are already pervasive in this country?Believe it or not, the coronavirus epidemic does not stop deaths from other causes. While the politicians are...www.conservativereview.com
Horowitz: Dr. Birx: ‘We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality’
Daniel Horowitz · April 8, 2020
"Why would our governing elites be so motivated to overstate the impact of COVID-19 and scare people beyond the unprecedented levels of panic that are already pervasive in this country?
Believe it or not, the coronavirus epidemic does not stop deaths from other causes. While the politicians are shutting down other medical care in this country, they fail to recognize that life and even death go on. Many of us have been concerned that they have been conflating deaths due to coronavirus with deaths of those who have coronavirus but ultimately succumb to other illnesses. In their quest to continue this degree of fascism, plus in the motivation of some hospitals to get more federal relief funds, there is every incentive to code as many deaths as possible as related to COVID-19.
Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx.
View: https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1247669966939262977
Truth be told, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has already indicated that COVID-19 deaths are not being recorded based on definitive confirmation that the virus caused death in a given decedent. “In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely, it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed’,” the CDC advises in its April guidance for recording COVID-19 deaths. “In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgment in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely.”
When Birx was asked whether such an approach to toxicology could “skew data,” Birx conceded it might be a possibility in parts of the country where testing is not widespread, but not in the hot spots. “I’m pretty confident that in New York City and New Jersey and places that have these large outbreaks and COVID-only hospitals … I can tell you they are testing,” she said.
But so what if they are testing? There’s a difference between someone dying of COVID-19 and someone dying with COVID-19. Typically, an autopsy would be performed to determine the actual cause of death. This is very important in determining the real fatality rate of the virus.
Some might suggest that it makes sense to count these deaths as COVID-19-related because although some of these people were sick with other ailments, they likely died only due to the virus. But we don’t know that to be true. If that were the case, the number of other common morbidities would be stable as coronavirus deaths skyrocket. However, new anecdotal evidence suggests that heart attack fatalities have mysteriously plummeted.
Harlan Krumholz, a doctor at Yale New Haven Hospital in Connecticut, wrote in the New York Times earlier this week that his hospital is eerily empty of heart and stroke patients. While some of this is due to the cancellation of elective surgeries, it doesn’t explain the drop in other medical emergencies that are not elective or planned. “What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared,” wrote Dr. Krumholz.
Dr. Krumholz posits that perhaps some patients are dying in silence at home out of fear of coming to the hospital. He explores possible reasons for a reduction in other illnesses, but seems to believe that, if anything, given the anxiety and stress of this crisis, we should be seeing more heart attacks. It’s one thing to expect car accident fatalities to plummet, given how few people are on the roads. But heart attacks?
While Dr. Krumholz’s main point is to warn people not to be deterred from seeking medical care for other emergencies, perhaps he is glossing over another factor. Could it be that some of those mysteriously absent heart attack and stroke patients are really in the COVID-19 cases?
Dr. Krumholz explains that his fellow doctors actually expected to see more heart attacks because “respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks.”
“Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke,” observes Krumholz. “The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now.”
Well, what if I told you that this is actually happening, but these cases are being recorded as COVID-19 deaths, not as heart attacks, simply because the patient died with the virus?
This is what is so sad about our medical elite in America. There is such an eager agenda to use this crisis to restrict liberties and, as California Governor Gavin Newsom revealed, as “an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.”
President Eisenhower famously warned against the “military-industrial complex.” However, just as importantly, during his farewell address in 1961, he warned against the scientific-industrial complex. “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
As we see one “scientific” model after another proven wrong in pursuit of a police state, perhaps it’s time we call BS on the “scientific-technological elite.”"
Author: Daniel Horowitz
Daniel Horowitz is a senior editor of Conservative Review.
Modelling is a moving target. As info comes in, the results change. I thought everybody knew that.
This is my worst fear with this virus. It keeps coming back again and again until it gets you.
mzkitty
I give up.
Hmmm.............. Can she do the job though?
Won't let me read the rest without paying:
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Won't let me read the rest without paying:
Dire Economic Numbers Intensify Debate Over Lifting Coronavirus Restrictions
Record-setting jobless claims and dire economic forecasts are giving fresh urgency to the debate over how rapidly coronavirus-fueled restrictions should be pared back so the economy can begin its revival.
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Cold or COVID-19? How to use a pulse oximeter to tell if your lungs are in trouble
Disclaimer: Use your head, listen to your doctor, call 911 if you need help, etc. Medical disclaimer. About the author: Stephanie Arnold is an advanced practice nurse and educator working in the Los Angeles metro area. We’ve gotten many questions from worried readers about how to tell the...
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Cold or COVID-19? How to use a pulse oximeter to tell if your lungs are in trouble
- STEPHANIE ARNOLD
COLD OR COVID-19? HOW TO USE A PULSE OXIMETER TO TELL IF YOUR LUNGS ARE IN TROUBLE
About the author: Stephanie Arnold is an advanced practice nurse and educator working in the Los Angeles metro area.
We’ve gotten many questions from worried readers about how to tell the difference between a cold, allergies, flu, and other illnesses that come with coughing (and sometimes fever), and COVID-19. In the present circumstances and in response to pleas from health authorities in many areas to avoid running out to the hospital if you can, many people want to know if it’s possible to tell from home if and when they’re in real trouble and need emergency care.
We are not telling you to stay home if you’re sick — our advice is to contact your doctor. If you’ve been instructed to care for yourself at home, then a great way to get an indication that your problems are more serious than just a bad cold is to keep an eye on your blood oxygen levels.
Low blood oxygen is a sign that something’s wrong with your lungs. A bad viral pneumonia like COVID-19 can cause those levels to drop.
You can track your blood oxygen levels (and your heart rate) with a pulse oximeter of the kind we recommend in the home medical supplies list and in our COVID-19-specific medical kit — it’s easy, painless, and non-invasive, and inexpensive (under $20 for our main pick)."
20Gauge
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Yes, use the right tool for the job! A 22lr from 20 yards will put one down fast if you can hit it where it is needed.
Sad story, I had to kill one once. It decided it was moving in and killed on of my babies (1 year old). So it had to go. I do believe in revenge. We had tried everything else first.
MinnesotaSmith
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Cancer Patients Face Treatment Delays And Uncertainty As Coronavirus Cripples Hospitals | naked capitalism
Coronavirus creates a terrible bind for cancer patients and their doctors.
Cancer Patients Face Treatment Delays And Uncertainty As Coronavirus Cripples Hospitals
Posted on April 7, 2020 by Yves Smith
Yves here. Several NC regulars, such as Tom Stone, have said they are in the midst of treatment for cancer and are very concerned about what happens next, both the danger of suspending it and the risk of continuing to go to hospitals and doctors’ offices when getting immuno-suppressing treatments. I know solace is only a small comfort, but I hope readers who are affected and find it beneficial to discuss their situations will speak up.
One item that leaps out in this discussion: the lack of any national guidelines on cancer and presumably other urgent treatments. Where is the CDC? Or for that matter, one of the national organizations, like the American Society for Clinical Oncologists?
Another group of patient has a mirror image problem: pregnant mothers can’t do much to change their timelines. Even though documents like this Harvard Health newsletter are reassuring, a friend’s daughter, herself an MD whose MD husband got a mild case of coronavirus, is completely freaked out, as are the other pregnant MDs in a Facebook group., likely based on the adverse impact of the Spanish flu on the unborn and concerns about pandemic infections posing similar dangers.
By Will Stone
"The federal government has encouraged health centers to delay nonessential surgeries while weighing the severity of patients’ conditions and the availability of personal protective equipment, beds and staffing at hospitals.
People with cancer are among those at high risk of complications if infected with the new coronavirus. It’s estimated 1.8 million people will be diagnosed with cancer in the U.S. this year. More than 600,000 people are receiving chemotherapy.
That means millions of Americans may be navigating unforeseen challenges to getting care.
Christine Rayburn in Olympia, Washington, was diagnosed with breast cancer in mid-February. The new coronavirus was in the news, but the 48-year-old did not imagine the outbreak would affect her. Her doctor said Rayburn needed to start treatment immediately. The cancer had already spread to her lymph nodes.
“The cancer tumor seemed to have attached itself to a nerve,” said Rayburn, who was a schoolteacher for many years. “I feel pain from it on a regular basis.”
After getting her diagnosis and the treatment plan from her medical team, Rayburn was focused on getting surgery as fast as possible.
Meanwhile, the coronavirus outbreak was getting worse, and Seattle, just an hour north of where Rayburn lives, had become a national focal point.
Rayburn’s husband, David Forsberg, began to get a little nervous about whether his wife’s procedure would go forward as planned.
“It did cross my mind,” he said. “But I did not want to bother with that possibility on top of everything else.”
Two days before Rayburn’s lumpectomy to remove the tumor, Forsberg said, the surgeon phoned, “pretty livid” with bad news. “She said, ‘Look, they’ve canceled it indefinitely,’” Forsberg remembered.
The procedure had been scheduled at Providence St. Peter Hospital in Olympia, a facility run by Providence Health & Services. Across Washington, hospitals were calling off elective surgeries, in order to conserve the limited supply of personal protective equipment, or PPE, and to prevent patients and staffers from unnecessary exposure to the new coronavirus.
“It just felt like one of those really bad movies, and I was being sacrificed,” Rayburn said.
“It was like we just got cut off from the experts we were relying on,” her husband said.
The hospital said it would review the decision in a few weeks. But Rayburn’s surgeon said that was too long to wait, and they needed to move to Plan B, which was to begin chemotherapy.
Originally, chemotherapy was supposed to happen after Rayburn’s tumor surgery. And rearranging the treatment plan wasn’t ideal because chemotherapy isn’t shown to significantly shrink tumors in Rayburn’s type of breast cancer.
Still, chemotherapy could help stop the cancer from spreading further. But as the couple figured out the new treatment plan, they ran into more obstacles.
“She needed an echocardiogram, except they had canceled all echocardiograms,” said Forsberg.
They spent days on the phone trying to get all the pieces in place so she could start chemotherapy. Rayburn also started writing to her local lawmakers about her predicament.
Hospitals Prioritize Urgent Cases
In mid-March, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee banned most elective procedures, but he did carve out exceptions for certain urgent, life-threatening situations.
“It actually said that it [the ban] excluded removing cancerous tumors,” Rayburn said.
Providence hospitals use algorithms and a team of physicians to figure out which surgeries can be delayed, said Elaine Couture, chief executive of Providence Health in the Washington-Montana region.
“There are no perfect decisions at all in any of this,” said Couture. “None.”
Couture would not talk about specific patients but said she assumes other cases were more urgent than Rayburn’s.
“Were there other patients that even had more aggressive types of cancer that were [surgically] completed?” Couture said. “As sick as you are, there can be other people that are needing something even sooner than you do.”
Couture said hospitals are burning through supplies of masks, gowns and gloves and need to make tough calls about elective procedures.
“I don’t like that, either, and it’s not the way that we want our health care system to work,” Couture said.
Across the Providence hospital system, personal protective equipment is being used much faster than it can be replenished, she said.
No Single Standard
At the American Cancer Society, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr. Len Lichtenfeld is hearing from patients across the country who are having their chemotherapy delayed or surgery canceled.
“There was someone who had a brain tumor who was told they would not be able to have surgery, which was, basically, and appears to be a death sentence for that patient,” said Lichtenfeld.
This is uncharted territory for cancer care, he said. Hospitals are making these “decisions on the fly” in response to how the pandemic looks in a particular community. “There is no single national standard that can be applied. I am afraid this is going to become much more common in the coming weeks.”
The cancer society recommends that people postpone their routine cancer screenings — for now.
The American College of Surgeons has published guidance on how to triage surgical care for cancer patients. But Lichtenfeld said every decision ultimately depends on the availability of resources at the hospital and the pressures of COVID-19. In Washington state, which has been hit hard, hospitals are shifting surgical space and beds away from other kinds of treatment.
“We need to forecast two to three weeks down the line when there are more patients that are ill,” said Dr. Steven Pergam, medical director of infection prevention at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. “We need to make sure there’s adequate bed capacity.”
Pergam said the care alliance is adjusting treatment plans and, at times, avoiding procedures that would keep cancer patients in the hospital for a prolonged period.
“It really depends on the cancer and the aggressive nature of it,” he said. “We have looked at giving chemotherapy in the outpatient department and changing the particular regimens people get to make them less toxic.”
But Pergam said they expect to keep doing urgent surgeries for cancer patients, even as the pandemic grows worse.
Christine Rayburn in Olympia was steeling herself for the months of chemotherapy to come: staying inside her home and even avoiding contact with her adult daughters, to avoid any possible exposure to the coronavirus.
Then, two weeks ago, the surgeon called again. She had persuaded the hospital to allow the surgery after all, 10 days later than initially planned.
Rayburn and her husband wonder what would have happened if they hadn’t spoken up or pushed to get her lumpectomy back on the hospital’s surgical schedule. Forsberg said it’s possible they could have ended up without the care Rayburn needed.
“If we didn’t say anything, in my mind that may be where we would be at,” he said. “But in our minds, that was not an option.”"
Back in the H5N1 days, I remember a Canadian vent fan study on how poultry could get infected when they had no contact. They found it traveled with air currents.(fair use applies)
Scary video shows how a single cough spreads coronavirus across a supermarket
THIS terrifying animation shows how coronavirus particles from a single cough can hang in the air “several minutes” and spread across two aisles of a supermarket. Scientists created a …www.thesun.co.uk
VIDEO AT LINK
Terrifying video shows how a single cough can spread a cloud of coronavirus across supermarket that lingers for minutes
Niamh Cavanagh
Apr 2020, 1:11 | Updated: 9 Apr 2020, 14:43
THIS terrifying animation shows how coronavirus particles from a single cough can hang in the air "several minutes" and spread across two aisles of a supermarket.
Scientists created a computer simulation to study how far the virus can travel indoors - and worryingly found how a cloud of droplets will infect others even after the sick person has walked away.
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The simulation shows how immediately after someone coughs (right), coronavirus particles are spread across a supermarket aisle and go airborne. The blue particles show those at lower heights, the yellow ones are higher up
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After a minute, huge numbers of particles remain in the aisle and the cloud is headed into the next aisle
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Two minutes into the simulation and while the densest part of the coronavirus particle cloud remains in the original aisle, the virus has spread to the next aisle and the cloud is moving into another
The scientists involved say that the best way to avoid catching the virus is to stay away from busy public spaces like shops and stations.
Professor Ville Vuorinen of Aalto University in Finland told the BBC: "If you go there, only go there seldom as possible. Stay there as short a time as possible"
In a statement accompanying the video, the researchers said: "Preliminary results indicate that aerosol particles carrying the virus can remain in the air longer than was originally thought, so it is important to avoid busy public indoor spaces.
"This also reduces the risk of droplet infection, which remains the main path of transmission for coronavirus."
The study was conducted by scientists from Finland's Aalto University, the Finnish Meteorological Institute, the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland, and the University of Finland.
Experts researched how small airborne aerosol particles are transported in the air when emitted from the respiratory tract when sneezing, coughing or even talking.
They said: "In the situation under investigation, the aerosol cloud spreads outside the immediate vicinity of the coughing person and dilutes in the process.
"However, this can take up to several minutes.
“Extremely small particles of this size do not sink on the floor, but instead, move along in the air currents or remain floating in the same place."
Professor Vuorinen also said: "Someone infected by the coronavirus can cough and walk away, but then leave behind extremely small aerosol particles carrying the coronavirus.
"These particles could then end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity."
Despite the growing evidence that people could have the virus and not show symptoms, the UK and the WHO do not think it is a necessity for people to wear face masks.
In the UK it is advised that only health workers and carers that should wear the protective face masks.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the Government's health advisers had not told him to change the UK’s approach to members of the public wearing face masks.
He said there was little evidence to show the masks help and would be better used by healthcare workers and patients who test positive.
But it puts the UK at odds with the increasing number of countries starting to advise their citizens to wear some form of face-covering when they head outdoors.
In the US the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently recommended wearing a cloth face-covering in public where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.
These include pharmacies and grocery stores.
In Morocco, there is a government order to wear masks followed by threats of fines and imprisonment
I'm really careful to not be down wind of someone I'm talking to, even if I'm 6' away. My church has a heat vent which blows out over the congregation and ceiling fans to blow it downward. Anyone coughing in the back could probably infect quite a few people.
Yeah, I have been thinking of that since Day One. Not good.
They want a national standard to apply to individual cases and the CDC is supposed to provide it?Cancer Patients Face Treatment Delays And Uncertainty As Coronavirus Cripples Hospitals | naked capitalism
Coronavirus creates a terrible bind for cancer patients and their doctors.www.nakedcapitalism.com
Cancer Patients Face Treatment Delays And Uncertainty As Coronavirus Cripples Hospitals
Posted on April 7, 2020 by Yves Smith
Yves here. Several NC regulars, such as Tom Stone, have said they are in the midst of treatment for cancer and are very concerned about what happens next, both the danger of suspending it and the risk of continuing to go to hospitals and doctors’ offices when getting immuno-suppressing treatments. I know solace is only a small comfort, but I hope readers who are affected and find it beneficial to discuss their situations will speak up.
One item that leaps out in this discussion: the lack of any national guidelines on cancer and presumably other urgent treatments. Where is the CDC? Or for that matter, one of the national organizations, like the American Society for Clinical Oncologists?
Another group of patient has a mirror image problem: pregnant mothers can’t do much to change their timelines. Even though documents like this Harvard Health newsletter are reassuring, a friend’s daughter, herself an MD whose MD husband got a mild case of coronavirus, is completely freaked out, as are the other pregnant MDs in a Facebook group., likely based on the adverse impact of the Spanish flu on the unborn and concerns about pandemic infections posing similar dangers.
By Will Stone
"The federal government has encouraged health centers to delay nonessential surgeries while weighing the severity of patients’ conditions and the availability of personal protective equipment, beds and staffing at hospitals.
People with cancer are among those at high risk of complications if infected with the new coronavirus. It’s estimated 1.8 million people will be diagnosed with cancer in the U.S. this year. More than 600,000 people are receiving chemotherapy.
That means millions of Americans may be navigating unforeseen challenges to getting care.
Christine Rayburn in Olympia, Washington, was diagnosed with breast cancer in mid-February. The new coronavirus was in the news, but the 48-year-old did not imagine the outbreak would affect her. Her doctor said Rayburn needed to start treatment immediately. The cancer had already spread to her lymph nodes.
“The cancer tumor seemed to have attached itself to a nerve,” said Rayburn, who was a schoolteacher for many years. “I feel pain from it on a regular basis.”
After getting her diagnosis and the treatment plan from her medical team, Rayburn was focused on getting surgery as fast as possible.
Meanwhile, the coronavirus outbreak was getting worse, and Seattle, just an hour north of where Rayburn lives, had become a national focal point.
Rayburn’s husband, David Forsberg, began to get a little nervous about whether his wife’s procedure would go forward as planned.
“It did cross my mind,” he said. “But I did not want to bother with that possibility on top of everything else.”
Two days before Rayburn’s lumpectomy to remove the tumor, Forsberg said, the surgeon phoned, “pretty livid” with bad news. “She said, ‘Look, they’ve canceled it indefinitely,’” Forsberg remembered.
The procedure had been scheduled at Providence St. Peter Hospital in Olympia, a facility run by Providence Health & Services. Across Washington, hospitals were calling off elective surgeries, in order to conserve the limited supply of personal protective equipment, or PPE, and to prevent patients and staffers from unnecessary exposure to the new coronavirus.
“It just felt like one of those really bad movies, and I was being sacrificed,” Rayburn said.
“It was like we just got cut off from the experts we were relying on,” her husband said.
The hospital said it would review the decision in a few weeks. But Rayburn’s surgeon said that was too long to wait, and they needed to move to Plan B, which was to begin chemotherapy.
Originally, chemotherapy was supposed to happen after Rayburn’s tumor surgery. And rearranging the treatment plan wasn’t ideal because chemotherapy isn’t shown to significantly shrink tumors in Rayburn’s type of breast cancer.
Still, chemotherapy could help stop the cancer from spreading further. But as the couple figured out the new treatment plan, they ran into more obstacles.
“She needed an echocardiogram, except they had canceled all echocardiograms,” said Forsberg.
They spent days on the phone trying to get all the pieces in place so she could start chemotherapy. Rayburn also started writing to her local lawmakers about her predicament.
Hospitals Prioritize Urgent Cases
In mid-March, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee banned most elective procedures, but he did carve out exceptions for certain urgent, life-threatening situations.
“It actually said that it [the ban] excluded removing cancerous tumors,” Rayburn said.
Providence hospitals use algorithms and a team of physicians to figure out which surgeries can be delayed, said Elaine Couture, chief executive of Providence Health in the Washington-Montana region.
“There are no perfect decisions at all in any of this,” said Couture. “None.”
Couture would not talk about specific patients but said she assumes other cases were more urgent than Rayburn’s.
“Were there other patients that even had more aggressive types of cancer that were [surgically] completed?” Couture said. “As sick as you are, there can be other people that are needing something even sooner than you do.”
Couture said hospitals are burning through supplies of masks, gowns and gloves and need to make tough calls about elective procedures.
“I don’t like that, either, and it’s not the way that we want our health care system to work,” Couture said.
Across the Providence hospital system, personal protective equipment is being used much faster than it can be replenished, she said.
No Single Standard
At the American Cancer Society, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr. Len Lichtenfeld is hearing from patients across the country who are having their chemotherapy delayed or surgery canceled.
“There was someone who had a brain tumor who was told they would not be able to have surgery, which was, basically, and appears to be a death sentence for that patient,” said Lichtenfeld.
This is uncharted territory for cancer care, he said. Hospitals are making these “decisions on the fly” in response to how the pandemic looks in a particular community. “There is no single national standard that can be applied. I am afraid this is going to become much more common in the coming weeks.”
The cancer society recommends that people postpone their routine cancer screenings — for now.
The American College of Surgeons has published guidance on how to triage surgical care for cancer patients. But Lichtenfeld said every decision ultimately depends on the availability of resources at the hospital and the pressures of COVID-19. In Washington state, which has been hit hard, hospitals are shifting surgical space and beds away from other kinds of treatment.
“We need to forecast two to three weeks down the line when there are more patients that are ill,” said Dr. Steven Pergam, medical director of infection prevention at the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance. “We need to make sure there’s adequate bed capacity.”
Pergam said the care alliance is adjusting treatment plans and, at times, avoiding procedures that would keep cancer patients in the hospital for a prolonged period.
“It really depends on the cancer and the aggressive nature of it,” he said. “We have looked at giving chemotherapy in the outpatient department and changing the particular regimens people get to make them less toxic.”
But Pergam said they expect to keep doing urgent surgeries for cancer patients, even as the pandemic grows worse.
Christine Rayburn in Olympia was steeling herself for the months of chemotherapy to come: staying inside her home and even avoiding contact with her adult daughters, to avoid any possible exposure to the coronavirus.
Then, two weeks ago, the surgeon called again. She had persuaded the hospital to allow the surgery after all, 10 days later than initially planned.
Rayburn and her husband wonder what would have happened if they hadn’t spoken up or pushed to get her lumpectomy back on the hospital’s surgical schedule. Forsberg said it’s possible they could have ended up without the care Rayburn needed.
“If we didn’t say anything, in my mind that may be where we would be at,” he said. “But in our minds, that was not an option.”"
Gee.
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Rimtas žmogus
^^This.^^
A good resource is Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us by Michael Moss. The food industry markets products with ingredients that are intended to make the pleasure centers of your brain light up like a Christmas tree afire.
Indiana, Hamilton County
Mayor Brainard says Carmel’s elder care facilities must test employees for COVID-19
POSTED BY: THE REPORTER APRIL 9, 2020
WISH-TV | wishtv.com
Carmel Mayor Jim Brainard is asking all elder care facilities in the city to test their employees weekly. He said failure to do so could amount to reckless homicide charges.
“We don’t want what happened here as what happened in Anderson a few days ago or southern Indiana or Kirkland, Wash.,” Brainard said. (What did happen here?)
Brainard has sent a letter to all nursing homes in the city urging them to test employees weekly for COVID-19. He suggested it be coordinated by Aria Diagnostics. “If we can find out who has it and segregate those people, we can slow down the spread. That is so important,” he said.
But several facilities which Brainard declined to name have hesitated, forcing ‘strongly worded’ follow-up emails.
Brainard even had a police officer hand-deliver a letter to ManorCare Assisted Living at Summer Trace because he said the executive director of the facility did not reply to his email. “I thought that was so shortsighted because they had the ability to save people’s lives if they just find one staff member that has it,” Brainard said.
The letter even raises the opinion that failure to comply could constitute extreme negligence and even reckless homicide charges. “I don’t have the ability to order this but I’m in a position of trust and I think it’s part of our job as city officials to try to do everything we can to cut down on the spread of this virus,” Brainard said.
Meanwhile Carmel is testing its employees weekly who deal with the public every day, including first responders. While some may think the mayor should stay out of the business of nursing homes and their residents, he disagrees.
“I want to look back and know I was part of the solution,” he said.
Zak Khan, owner of Aria Diagnostics, said his company’s tests do not have the same ‘false negative’ results that occur in the some of the CDC-approved testing for the coronavirus. He said the cash price for the test is $175, but that Aria is in-network for insurance companies who pay their own agreed-upon amount which varies by the company.
ManorCare released this full statement:
“It was never a matter of the center refusing to comply. We needed to assess this new request and compare it with the CDC-approved systems that were already in place for testing. The facility already had lab services in place, and has chosen to work with Eli Lilly.
“The health and well-being of our patients is the primary focus of our employees. Prior to the mayor’s request, at the direction of our medical and clinical experts, we had implemented precautions exceeding CDC guidelines to minimize risk to patients and employees, and prevent or contain COVID-19. This includes regular screening and monitoring of all patients and employees for symptoms of COVID-19, and isolating or quarantining anyone who may be at a higher risk or may have been exposed.
“We appreciate the mayor’s concern for the citizens of Carmel. COVID-19 has affected our world and the delivery of healthcare in an unprecedented way. Most providers in the acute, and post-acute, healthcare system have been impacted by COVID-19. We are determined to protect the safety and health of our patients and employees to our fullest ability by following all CDC guidelines.
“Our employees are going above and beyond to compassionately care for patients and reassure families during this unprecedented healthcare crisis. They truly are helpful, caring, and responsive heroes.”
Mayor Brainard says Carmel’s elder care facilities must test employees for COVID-19
POSTED BY: THE REPORTER APRIL 9, 2020
WISH-TV | wishtv.com
Carmel Mayor Jim Brainard is asking all elder care facilities in the city to test their employees weekly. He said failure to do so could amount to reckless homicide charges.
“We don’t want what happened here as what happened in Anderson a few days ago or southern Indiana or Kirkland, Wash.,” Brainard said. (What did happen here?)
Brainard has sent a letter to all nursing homes in the city urging them to test employees weekly for COVID-19. He suggested it be coordinated by Aria Diagnostics. “If we can find out who has it and segregate those people, we can slow down the spread. That is so important,” he said.
But several facilities which Brainard declined to name have hesitated, forcing ‘strongly worded’ follow-up emails.
Brainard even had a police officer hand-deliver a letter to ManorCare Assisted Living at Summer Trace because he said the executive director of the facility did not reply to his email. “I thought that was so shortsighted because they had the ability to save people’s lives if they just find one staff member that has it,” Brainard said.
The letter even raises the opinion that failure to comply could constitute extreme negligence and even reckless homicide charges. “I don’t have the ability to order this but I’m in a position of trust and I think it’s part of our job as city officials to try to do everything we can to cut down on the spread of this virus,” Brainard said.
Meanwhile Carmel is testing its employees weekly who deal with the public every day, including first responders. While some may think the mayor should stay out of the business of nursing homes and their residents, he disagrees.
“I want to look back and know I was part of the solution,” he said.
Zak Khan, owner of Aria Diagnostics, said his company’s tests do not have the same ‘false negative’ results that occur in the some of the CDC-approved testing for the coronavirus. He said the cash price for the test is $175, but that Aria is in-network for insurance companies who pay their own agreed-upon amount which varies by the company.
ManorCare released this full statement:
“It was never a matter of the center refusing to comply. We needed to assess this new request and compare it with the CDC-approved systems that were already in place for testing. The facility already had lab services in place, and has chosen to work with Eli Lilly.
“The health and well-being of our patients is the primary focus of our employees. Prior to the mayor’s request, at the direction of our medical and clinical experts, we had implemented precautions exceeding CDC guidelines to minimize risk to patients and employees, and prevent or contain COVID-19. This includes regular screening and monitoring of all patients and employees for symptoms of COVID-19, and isolating or quarantining anyone who may be at a higher risk or may have been exposed.
“We appreciate the mayor’s concern for the citizens of Carmel. COVID-19 has affected our world and the delivery of healthcare in an unprecedented way. Most providers in the acute, and post-acute, healthcare system have been impacted by COVID-19. We are determined to protect the safety and health of our patients and employees to our fullest ability by following all CDC guidelines.
“Our employees are going above and beyond to compassionately care for patients and reassure families during this unprecedented healthcare crisis. They truly are helpful, caring, and responsive heroes.”
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
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In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.
There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.
Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.
Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.
When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.
Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:
1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE.
Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others.
Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does…
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
— — — — — — — — — — — — -
Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT).
BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.
The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.
Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.
The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.
How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source.
The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.
No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.
Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.
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In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.
There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.
Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.
Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.
When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.
Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:
1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE.
Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others.
Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does…
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
— — — — — — — — — — — — -
Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT).
BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.
The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.
Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.
The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.
How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source.
The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.
No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.
Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.
Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:
- Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
- Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
- Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.
- Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.
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EXCLUSIVE: Dr. Shi Zhengli and the Wuhan Institute of Virology Connected to Coronavirus EXPERIMENTED WITH LIVE ANIMALS ...And We Have Proof! | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft
As we reported yesterday, Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli was part of a team that working on a coronavirus project jointly with US doctors in 2014 before it was shut down by the DHS for being too risky. Dr.
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EXCLUSIVE: Dr. Shi Zhengli and the Wuhan Institute of Virology Connected to Coronavirus EXPERIMENTED WITH LIVE ANIMALS ...And We Have Proof!
By Jim Hoft
Published April 10, 2020 at 7:57am
As we reported yesterday, Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli was part of a team that working on a coronavirus project jointly with US doctors in 2014 before it was shut down by the DHS for being too risky. Dr. Shi Zhengli then moved to Wuhan, China.
Today we have proof that the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where Dr. Shi worked was busy experimenting on live animals!
We’ve located a picture of Dr. Shi at the Wuhan Institute of Virology working in the lab:
Via Yaacov Apelbaum
In addition, we’ve identified lab workers experimenting with live animals!
As we reported yesterday, Doctor Shi Zhengli worked with Doctor Ralph S. Baric, and together with others, they published an article in a 2015 edition of Nature Medicine. In the article they discussed bat coronaviruses that showed potential for human emergence. The article was published in 2015.
This report was published shortly after their project was defunded by the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The HHS in 2014 sent a letter to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where they announced they were going to defund the program.
Dr. Ralph S. Baric was identified in the letter.
After the work stopped in the US, the Chinese moved forward with the project and ran research and development in Wuhan. From Shi Zhengli’s papers and resume, it is clear that they successfully isolated the virus in the lab and were actively experimenting with specie <-> specie transmission.
It’s also important to note that back in 2017 we had solid intelligence about a viral leak in a high security Chinese virology R&D center that resulted in the SARS virus getting out and killing people.
This information provides a basis that contradicts the theory that COVID-19 is a variant that just magically mutated in a bat in the wild and then jumped to a human when they ate a delicious bowl of bat soup.
From all of the published research papers that relate to this project going back to 2014, it’s clear that COVID-19 was already in a lab. It’s difficult to tell if the release was intentional or accidental.
In 2017, the Chinese had a similar release incident that sickened eight people and killed one. It started when two workers at a Chinese CDC lab independently isolated and experimented in vitro/vivo a SARS virus. In one of these sessions the scientists took a previously unknown variant of the SARS virus and moved it out from a BSL-4 high-containment facility into a low-safety diarrhea research lab where the two were working. Apparently, the virus inactivation process didn’t work properly and both were infected at the lab and then proceeded to infect other people outside of the lab.
Two days ago we noted that the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, Hubei Province in China was hiring individuals for an ecological study of bat migration and virus transmission in November of 2019.
We now know from Dr. Shi’s resume and papers that she was still working on the coronavirus at that time:
Via Yaacov Apelbaum.
According to National Review, on December 24, 2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology posted a second job posting.
We now know that the researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were experimenting with live animals and working on the China coronavirus in a lab in Wuhan for years.
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jward
passin' thru
Dr.SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD. Inventor of Email
@va_shiva
Mr. President
@realDonaldTrump
, I urge you to immediately sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER requiring HIGH DOSE IV Vitamin C for those in CRITICAL CONDITION to inhibit the “Cytokine Storm” damaging the lungs - only to be further destroyed by Ventilators. PLEASE!
View: https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1248313378696806400?s=20
@va_shiva
Mr. President
@realDonaldTrump
, I urge you to immediately sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER requiring HIGH DOSE IV Vitamin C for those in CRITICAL CONDITION to inhibit the “Cytokine Storm” damaging the lungs - only to be further destroyed by Ventilators. PLEASE!
View: https://twitter.com/va_shiva/status/1248313378696806400?s=20
jward
passin' thru
o dear : (
RedPop86
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BREAKING: Mass vaccination for COVID-19 in Senegal (West Africa) was started yesterday (4/8) and the first 7 children who received it died on the spot.
@jamelholley
View: https://twitter.com/redpop86/status/1248354569534439424?s=20
RedPop86
@redpop86
BREAKING: Mass vaccination for COVID-19 in Senegal (West Africa) was started yesterday (4/8) and the first 7 children who received it died on the spot.
@jamelholley
View: https://twitter.com/redpop86/status/1248354569534439424?s=20
FAKE NEWS!!!!
7 Senegal children killed from COVID-19 vaccinations? Fact Check - ThatsNonsense.com
Messages online claim that “mass vaccination” has begun in Senegal amid the coronavirus pandemic and 7...
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rafter
Since 1999
Sounds like fun to me! My old neighborhood high in the mountains are doing it. Just cut loose out in the sweet smelling mountain air under the best starry sky and howl!!
jward
passin' thru
Thank goodness!FAKE NEWS!!!!
7 Senegal children killed from COVID-19 vaccinations? Fact Check - ThatsNonsense.com
Messages online claim that “mass vaccination” has begun in Senegal amid the coronavirus pandemic and 7...
mzkitty
I give up.
DOJ announces how benefits will be determined when officers die from Coronavirus
It's huge news for families who have lost an officer to what's happening in America right now. Here's what they need to know about benefits.
www.lawenforcementtoday.com
homepark
Resist
The PA Governor authorized the state emergency management agency, PEMA, to commandeer supplies from private organizations. Why, might you ask? As I found a year or so ago, the state had little or no supplies, just had a drawer full of contracts for things. Push comes to shove, org's request supplies, having none of their own, and contracts that are slightly less than worthless, they commandeer the supplies of others to hand them out to the org's who hadn't prepared adequately. Of course, no one bothers to tell the recipients that the supplies have been stolen, but the state gets to look like the hero. Tyranny and communism at its finest. Bastards!
bw
Fringe Ranger
That trench looks deep enough for multiple layers, with dirt over each layer.
Zagdid
Veteran Member
South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.
www.reuters.com
APRIL 10, 2020 / 7:25 AM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
Josh Smith, Sangmi Cha
SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.
Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.
South Korean health officials said it remains unclear what is behind the trend, with epidemiological investigations still under way.
The prospect of people being re-infected with the virus is of international concern, as many countries are hoping that infected populations will develop sufficient immunity to prevent a resurgence of the pandemic.
The South Korean figure had risen from 51 such cases on Monday.
Nearly 7,000 South Koreans have been reported as recovered from COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.
“The number will only increase, 91 is just the beginning now,” said Kim Woo-joo, professor of infectious diseases at Korea University Guro Hospital.
The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.
Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.
False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.
“There are different interpretations and many variables,” said Jung Ki-suck, professor of pulmonary medicine at Hallym University Sacred Heart Hospital.
“The government needs to come up with responses for each of these variables”.
South Korea on Friday reported 27 new cases, its lowest after daily cases peaked at more than 900 in late February, according to KCDC, adding the total stood at 10,450 cases.
The death toll rose by seven to 211, it said.
The city of Daegu, which endured the first large coronavirus outbreak outside of China, reported zero new cases for the first time since late February.
With at least 6,807 confirmed cases, Daegu accounts for more than half of all South Korea’s total infections.
The spread of infections at a church in Daegu drove a spike in cases in South Korea beginning in late February.
The outbreak initially pushed the tally of confirmed cases much higher than anywhere else outside of China, before the country used widespread testing and social distancing measures to bring the numbers down.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
No, the models are perfect! I mean, even something as complex as the Climate is understood so well that they can predict a 1 degree C increase in temp. over 100 years based on how many cows there are. C'mon, get with the program!
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Of course they work on live animals. Everybody from Revlon Cosmetics, to Purina, to chem warfare scientists, to Wuhan bat gods of the BSL-4 labs work on live animals. That is how they get the data they want. I expect it gets WAY worse than that, but then we get into woo. For the Chinese, the suffering and ethics of it isn't the slightest bit of an issue.
South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again
South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.
APRIL 10, 2020 / 7:25 AM / UPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
Josh Smith, Sangmi Cha
SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.
Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.
South Korean health officials said it remains unclear what is behind the trend, with epidemiological investigations still under way.
The prospect of people being re-infected with the virus is of international concern, as many countries are hoping that infected populations will develop sufficient immunity to prevent a resurgence of the pandemic.
The South Korean figure had risen from 51 such cases on Monday.
Nearly 7,000 South Koreans have been reported as recovered from COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.
“The number will only increase, 91 is just the beginning now,” said Kim Woo-joo, professor of infectious diseases at Korea University Guro Hospital.
The KCDC’s Jeong raised the possibility that rather than patients being re-infected, the virus may have been “reactivated”.
Kim also said patients had likely “relapsed” rather than been re-infected.
False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.
“There are different interpretations and many variables,” said Jung Ki-suck, professor of pulmonary medicine at Hallym University Sacred Heart Hospital.
“The government needs to come up with responses for each of these variables”.
South Korea on Friday reported 27 new cases, its lowest after daily cases peaked at more than 900 in late February, according to KCDC, adding the total stood at 10,450 cases.
The death toll rose by seven to 211, it said.
The city of Daegu, which endured the first large coronavirus outbreak outside of China, reported zero new cases for the first time since late February.
With at least 6,807 confirmed cases, Daegu accounts for more than half of all South Korea’s total infections.
The spread of infections at a church in Daegu drove a spike in cases in South Korea beginning in late February.
The outbreak initially pushed the tally of confirmed cases much higher than anywhere else outside of China, before the country used widespread testing and social distancing measures to bring the numbers down.
Demoralizing info
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
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Apr 5 · 8 min read
In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.
There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.
Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.
Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.
When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.
Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:
1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE.
Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others.
Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does…
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
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Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT).
BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.
The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.
Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.
The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.
How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source.
The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.
No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.
Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.
Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:
Fini.
- Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
- Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
- Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.
- Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.
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What an interesting article! Posted several times on this thread, IIRC. Very interesting. No way of checking the veracity, of course, as there are no CITATIONS.
Went to the website, still didn't see the background info. In fact, when I clicked on the author's link, it gave a message:
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Where did the Author get the info? What are the Author's credentials? Can anyone verify any of the claims made in the article? Am I missing something here?
In all counties, there are deaths in which nobody claims the body. I worked two doors down from the county morgue for 35 years...believe me, I've heard all the sob stories. I can only imagine how many would be left for the city/county to deal with in a place like NYC. Guessing this is what's happening with these burials, and county keeping records in case someone claims later.
