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Ragnarok
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Ragnarok
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Yes... Cats can carry it. Act accordingly...
Tigers (and other cats) can catch the coronavirus
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Tigers (and other cats) can catch the coronavirus
Pet owners should take precautions if they’re sick.
www.theverge.com
Keep your cat indoors if you're self-isolating to limit spread of coronavirus, vets advise owners
Keep your cat indoors if you're self-isolating to limit spread of coronavirus, vets advise owners
Cat owners who are self-isolating or have Covid-19 symptoms should consider keeping their pets indoors to stop them carrying the virus on their fur, a veterinary body has advised.
www.cnn.com
Coronavirus can infect cats, study finds
Coronavirus can infect cats, study finds
Heads up, cat lovers: Your feline friend may be susceptible to the novel coronavirus after all.
www.foxnews.com
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Say what???
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Ragnarok
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#BREAKING
- Dozens of members of the ruling Saudi royal family, as many as 150, including at least one high-ranking royal, have been infected with the coronavirus in recent weeks.
Coronavirus widespread among Saudi royal family: Report
At least one high-ranking royal, as well as dozens of lower-level officials, have COVID-19, The New York Times reports.
aljazeera.com
Good...
I was a little concerned that they were getting off with no ramifications...
I don't wish this virus on anyone but I know that any country that is unaffected may be emboldened to make an ill-advised move militarily...
marsh
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It is all about the circulating dollars within a community. A dollar can move from person to person locally through small business many times.
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Well it looks like Barr is taking a stand but walks it back. How long will the American people put up with this?
Texican....
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Link:
www.westernjournal.com
Attorney General Barr: 'Draconian' Lockdown Measures Need to End Soon
Sarah Silbiger / Getty ImagesAttorney General William Barr participates in a news conference at the Department of Justice along with DOJ officials on Feb. 10, 2020, in Washington, D.C. (Sarah Silbiger / Getty Images)
By Jack Davis
Published April 9, 2020 at 10:45am
Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday said that what he termed “draconian” social distancing restrictions should be relaxed in about three weeks.
In an interview with Laura Ingraham of Fox News on “The Ingraham Angle,” Barr also said the Justice Department will be on guard to ensure that temporary measures taken in the last few weeks do not become permanent encroachments on the liberties of American citizens.
“Generally speaking, there are occasions where liberties have to be restricted during certain emergencies such as war,” Barr said. “In this case, a potentially devastating pandemic.
“But they have to be balanced; whatever steps you take have to be balanced against the civil liberties of the American people and it cannot be used as an excuse for broad deprivations of liberty,” he explained. “As things proceed, we’re going to be interested in both what the federal government is imposing and also making sure that that’s justified and also what the states did.”
Barr was asked about both official and unofficial bans on church services at Easter.
Ingraham noted New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo‘s insistence that large religious gatherings not take place in his state.
“Religious liberty is the first liberty,” Barr said. “It’s the foundation of our republic, and a free society depends upon a vibrant religious life among the people. Any time that’s encroached upon by the government I’m very, very concerned.”
Although Barr claimed that the government has the authority to include churches in broad restrictions being leveled at all parts of society, he added, “I would hate to see restrictions on religion continue longer than they’re strictly necessary.”
Barr said that the end of the current restrictions must be a time of reassessing what is absolutely necessary.
“When this 30-day period ends, I think we have to consider alternative ways of protecting people,” he said.
Barr said that it is important to ensure that “the draconian measures that are being adopted are fully justified and there are not alternative ways of protecting people.”
“When this period of time, at the end of April, expires, I think we have to allow people to adapt more than we have, and not just tell people to go home and hide under the bed, but allow them to use other ways — social distancing and other means — to protect themselves,” Barr said.
Pressed by Ingraham about potential church closings that might be imposed locally or by states even after the federal period of restrictions is lifted, Barr said the Justice Department “has seen situations where some jurisdictions have imposed special burdens on religion that they were not also applying to other kinds of gatherings and events. We jawboned the local governments at that point saying they simply couldn’t do that.”
“We’re going to keep an eye on all these actions that restrict people’s religious liberty,” he said, while continuing to defend his claim that in a situation akin to “wartime, the government can impose certain restrictions.”
Barr argued that, while there is a time when government must exercise its authority, that use must be carefully considered.
“There is a power for the government to take extraordinary steps in genuine emergencies,” Barr said. “That obviously creates a slippery slope: What do you call an emergency?
“And I am concerned that we not get into the business of declaring everything an emergency, and then using these kinds of sweeping extraordinary steps,” he concluded.
Texican....
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Attorney General Barr: 'Draconian' Lockdown Measures Need to End Soon
Attorney General William Barr said the Department of Justice will be on the lookout for encroachments upon the liberty of Americans.
www.westernjournal.com
Attorney General Barr: 'Draconian' Lockdown Measures Need to End Soon
By Jack Davis
Published April 9, 2020 at 10:45am
Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday said that what he termed “draconian” social distancing restrictions should be relaxed in about three weeks.
In an interview with Laura Ingraham of Fox News on “The Ingraham Angle,” Barr also said the Justice Department will be on guard to ensure that temporary measures taken in the last few weeks do not become permanent encroachments on the liberties of American citizens.
“Generally speaking, there are occasions where liberties have to be restricted during certain emergencies such as war,” Barr said. “In this case, a potentially devastating pandemic.
“But they have to be balanced; whatever steps you take have to be balanced against the civil liberties of the American people and it cannot be used as an excuse for broad deprivations of liberty,” he explained. “As things proceed, we’re going to be interested in both what the federal government is imposing and also making sure that that’s justified and also what the states did.”
Barr was asked about both official and unofficial bans on church services at Easter.
Ingraham noted New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo‘s insistence that large religious gatherings not take place in his state.
“Religious liberty is the first liberty,” Barr said. “It’s the foundation of our republic, and a free society depends upon a vibrant religious life among the people. Any time that’s encroached upon by the government I’m very, very concerned.”
Although Barr claimed that the government has the authority to include churches in broad restrictions being leveled at all parts of society, he added, “I would hate to see restrictions on religion continue longer than they’re strictly necessary.”
Barr said that the end of the current restrictions must be a time of reassessing what is absolutely necessary.
“When this 30-day period ends, I think we have to consider alternative ways of protecting people,” he said.
Barr said that it is important to ensure that “the draconian measures that are being adopted are fully justified and there are not alternative ways of protecting people.”
“When this period of time, at the end of April, expires, I think we have to allow people to adapt more than we have, and not just tell people to go home and hide under the bed, but allow them to use other ways — social distancing and other means — to protect themselves,” Barr said.
Pressed by Ingraham about potential church closings that might be imposed locally or by states even after the federal period of restrictions is lifted, Barr said the Justice Department “has seen situations where some jurisdictions have imposed special burdens on religion that they were not also applying to other kinds of gatherings and events. We jawboned the local governments at that point saying they simply couldn’t do that.”
“We’re going to keep an eye on all these actions that restrict people’s religious liberty,” he said, while continuing to defend his claim that in a situation akin to “wartime, the government can impose certain restrictions.”
Barr argued that, while there is a time when government must exercise its authority, that use must be carefully considered.
“There is a power for the government to take extraordinary steps in genuine emergencies,” Barr said. “That obviously creates a slippery slope: What do you call an emergency?
“And I am concerned that we not get into the business of declaring everything an emergency, and then using these kinds of sweeping extraordinary steps,” he concluded.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Coronavirus may 'reactivate' in cured patients, Korean health authority says
SEOUL (BLOOMBERG) - The coronavirus may be "reactivating" in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Read more at straitstimes.com.www.straitstimes.com
Coronavirus may 'reactivate' in cured patients, Korean health authority says
A man speaks to a nurse during at a testing booth outside Yangji hospital in Seoul on March 17, 2020.PHOTO: AFP
APR 9, 2020, 1:13 PM SGT
SEOUL (BLOOMBERG) - The coronavirus may be "reactivating" in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea's Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).
About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the KCDC said in a briefing. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine, said Mr Jeong Eun-kyeong, director-general of the KCDC.
"While we are putting more weight on reactivation as the possible cause, we are conducting a comprehensive study on this," Mr Jeong said. "There have been many cases when a patient during treatment will test negative one day and positive another." A patient is deemed fully recovered when two tests conducted with a 24-hour interval show negative results.
The KCDC will conduct an epidemiological probe into the cases, he said.
South Korea was one of the earliest countries to see a large-scale coronavirus outbreak, but the country has recorded 200 deaths and a falling new case tally since peaking at 1,189 on Feb 29. One of the world's most expansive testing programmes and a tech-driven approach to tracing infections has helped the country contain its epidemic without lockdowns or shuttering businesses.
South Korea reported 39 new cases on Thursday (April 9) for a total of 10,423.
Fear of re-infection in recovered patients is also growing in China, where the virus first emerged last December, after reports that some tested positive again - and even died from the disease - after supposedly recovering and leaving hospital. There's little understanding of why this happens, although some believe that the problem may lie in inconsistencies in test results.
Epidemiologists around the world are in a race to find out more about the virus that causes Covid-19. The pathogen's rapid global spread has recently seen the focus shift to patients who contract the virus but display few or atypical symptoms. South Korea has been at the forefront of tracking these cases, which are causing particular concern in China, where the epidemic is showing signs of coming under control.
BOOM!!!
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Has anyone else noticed when these crazy-eyed government democrats start waving their arms they really start looking like Hitler in one of his speeches????
Looks more like Medusa, to me...
marsh
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Doomer Doug
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There are 15,000 Saudis Arabian princes so 150bis no big deal.
God Bless You and Yours, Ragnarok.... Very glad you're here, rather than with "the alphabets..." Please stay safe and well- you'll be very much needed when reconstruction gets underway...
OA
I don't know how to cut and paste using my tablet. Found this BIG DOT on Drudge,
As per US News & World Report, this am, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chief's of Staff announced that the USS Nimitz also has an outbreak of COVID-19...
Keep this in mind, when thinking of national defense...
OA
As per same article, Vinson and Reagan are also attempting to deal with outbreaks, this last referencing Politico reportage...
oa
As per US News & World Report, this am, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chief's of Staff announced that the USS Nimitz also has an outbreak of COVID-19...
Keep this in mind, when thinking of national defense...
OA
As per same article, Vinson and Reagan are also attempting to deal with outbreaks, this last referencing Politico reportage...
oa
auxman
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit...
Heliobas Disciple
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Piers Morgan
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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson is OUT of intensive care & has been moved back to a regular ward for his continued recovery. Excellent news.
Great news. It will be interesting to hear what treatment he was given. I wonder if it was given the hydroxychloroquine zpack cocktail. He'd be a poster boy for that combination if that is in fact what he received.
HD
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I think there was a mild round of infection here in Jan and Feb - probably the more mild strain out of Wuhan. Then we got another round of infection of a more potent strain in March/April, which are the cases we are now seeing hospitalized.
All this talk though of easing the lockdowns because the numbers are lower are like a group of people who are told to come in from the rain so they won't get wet, who after being inside for a while and all dried off asking why they can't go back out in the rain, they're dry now.
HD
jward
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I'm in my cynical place, so I wouldn't swear he was really even ill LOL. IIRC tho, DJT was said to have sent some medical advisors to him? hmm.. .. ..
Heliobas Disciple
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here you go:
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Military Warns of Coronavirus ‘Breakouts’ Aboard USS Nimitz
The military’s No. 2 officer said the ship’s commanders are trying to isolate crew members who have contracted COVID-19.
By Paul D. Shinkman, Senior Writer, National Security
April 9, 2020, at 11:56 a.m.
The military's second-highest ranking officer on Thursday warned of a new coronavirus outbreak aboard the USS Nimitz, an aircraft carrier about to embark on a deployment to the Pacific as the military struggles to contain the spread of the virus that has already sidelined crewmembers from another carrier.
"There's been a very small number of breakouts on the Nimitz, and we're watching that very closely," Air Force Gen. John Hyten, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday about the 5,000-member crews. He said that those sailors have "been isolated on the ship."
Hyten pointed to the inherent problem of containing the spread of the virus, which causes a disease known as COVID-19, aboard a ship in which many crewmembers share quarters, sometimes with as many as two dozen sleeping in bunks in one room. Not enough local hotel space exists in Bremerton, Washington, where the ship is based, for its commanders to quarantine crew members, so they're attempting to isolate them on board, the general said.
Lt. Rochelle Rieger, a spokeswoman for the Navy's 3rd Fleet, which oversees operations in the northeast Pacific region, later told U.S. News that two sailors from the Nimitz had been treated for potential COVID-19 infections. One began showing symptoms while he was on leave out of state and tested positive for the virus. That sailor was put into isolation, also out of state, having never boarded the ship during that time.
Another sailor who was on the ship took the test around March 24, but it came back inconclusive. The ship's commanders and medical staff isolated the sailor for two weeks anyway, as well as 15 other people that an investigation concluded the sailor may have encountered.
None of the sailors showed any further symptoms during the mandatory 14-day quarantine, and all, as of Thursday, were going through a process to return to duty on the ship.
On April 1, the ship went into what the Navy calls "fast cruise" status, in which no one on board was allowed to disembark for any reason. Anyone who must come aboard – such as a specialist to fix a broken piece of equipment – must first undergo medical testing and wear a protective mask while on the ship.
The ship's commanders also put into place new medical restrictions and plans to isolate anyone who feels symptoms of the coronavirus while at sea. Any sailors who show signs of having contracted COVID-19 will remain in quarantine for 14 days after they recover from any symptoms they had.
Rieger declined to comment on when the Nimitz plans to set sail.
As the crew prepares for the upcoming departure, members are under a 14-day travel restriction – limiting personal leave and isolating those who may have come into contact with a person infected by the virus – in an attempt to stem the spread, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday wrote in a message to all sailors late Wednesday updating them on the effect of the coronavirus across the service.
Politico first reported the cases of the coronavirus on the Nimitz, the fourth of the Navy's 11 carriers to have documented the spread of the disease on board. The USS Ronald Reagan and USS Carl Vinson also have reports of small numbers of coronavirus cases among their crews.
Thursday's news represented a troubling problem for the U.S. military as it struggles to contain the fallout from the spread of the virus, which has affected more than 400 members of the crew of the USS Teddy Roosevelt, currently docked in Guam. Military officials continue to insist the ship is capable of deploying if needed, even though more than half of its crew has disembarked on the island to enter quarantines.
Hyten announced Thursday that one member of that carrier has been admitted to the hospital and another has entered an intensive care unit – a break from prior officials' assessments that all cases on board were relatively mild. Officials now report 416 positive cases of the coronavirus among the crew. And the problem that ship has faced will likely persist throughout the sea service.
"It's not a good idea to think that the TR is a one-of-a-kind issue," Hyten said. "To think it will never happen again is not a good way to plan."
The news comes amid a leadership crisis that led to the dismissal of the ship's captain and the resignation of the Navy's top civilian.
Then-acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly fired the ship's commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, earlier this month after a letter became public that the captain wrote, begging for more help from the sea service to contain the spread of the virus on board. Modly on multiple occasions attempted to explain his decision, for which he faced harsh criticism, including traveling 8,000 miles to Guam to address the crew himself. He ultimately resigned on Tuesday.
David Norquist, the deputy defense secretary who spoke with Hyten on Thursday, warned America's enemies against thinking any of these issues prevents the military from responding to foreign threats.
"If our adversaries think this is our moment of weakness, they are dangerously wrong."
Heliobas Disciple
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I haven't gone to Drudge in ages, after the 'change' but they have some good articles tonight.
nypost.com
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Coronavirus traces found in Massachusetts wastewater at levels far higher than expected
By Jackie Salo
April 9, 2020 | 4:47pm
Coronavirus was detected in Massachusetts sewage at higher levels than expected, suggesting there are many more undiagnosed patients than previously known, according to a new study.
Researchers from biotech startup Biobot Analytics collected samples from a wastewater facility for an unnamed metropolitan area in late March, according to a report Tuesday on medRxiv.
Eric Alm, one of the authors of the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, stressed that the public is not at risk of contracting the virus from particles in the wastewater, but they may have the potential to indicate how widespread the virus has become, Newsweek reported.
“Even if those viral particles are no longer active or capable of infecting humans, they may still carry genetic material that can be detected using an approach called PCR (polymerase chain reaction,) which amplifies the genetic signal many orders of magnitude creating billions of copies of the genome for each starting virus,” Alm told the outlet.
The researchers, along with a team from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, analyzed the samples and found the number of coronavirus particles was on par with if there were 2,300 people infected with the virus.
But at the time of tests, there were only 446 confirmed cases in the region, according to the study.
“It was interesting that our estimation was definitely higher than the number of confirmed cases in the area,” said Mariana Matus, CEO and co-founder of Biobot, according to Stat News.
The researchers shared their findings with local health officials who said it was plausible there were hundreds of undetected cases.
“They could believe that [our] numbers could be correct and not out of the realm of possibility,” Matus told the outlet.
Coronavirus traces found in Massachusetts wastewater at levels far higher than expected
Coronavirus was detected in Massachusetts sewage at higher levels than expected, suggesting there are many more undiagnosed patients than previously known, according to a new study. Researchers fro…
nypost.com
Coronavirus traces found in Massachusetts wastewater at levels far higher than expected
By Jackie Salo
April 9, 2020 | 4:47pm
Coronavirus was detected in Massachusetts sewage at higher levels than expected, suggesting there are many more undiagnosed patients than previously known, according to a new study.
Researchers from biotech startup Biobot Analytics collected samples from a wastewater facility for an unnamed metropolitan area in late March, according to a report Tuesday on medRxiv.
Eric Alm, one of the authors of the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, stressed that the public is not at risk of contracting the virus from particles in the wastewater, but they may have the potential to indicate how widespread the virus has become, Newsweek reported.
“Even if those viral particles are no longer active or capable of infecting humans, they may still carry genetic material that can be detected using an approach called PCR (polymerase chain reaction,) which amplifies the genetic signal many orders of magnitude creating billions of copies of the genome for each starting virus,” Alm told the outlet.
The researchers, along with a team from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, analyzed the samples and found the number of coronavirus particles was on par with if there were 2,300 people infected with the virus.
But at the time of tests, there were only 446 confirmed cases in the region, according to the study.
“It was interesting that our estimation was definitely higher than the number of confirmed cases in the area,” said Mariana Matus, CEO and co-founder of Biobot, according to Stat News.
The researchers shared their findings with local health officials who said it was plausible there were hundreds of undetected cases.
“They could believe that [our] numbers could be correct and not out of the realm of possibility,” Matus told the outlet.
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Coronavirus Latest: Major Meat Processors Shutting Down Plants As Employees Get Sick With COVID-19
Across the country, major meat processors are starting to shut down plants as employees are getting infected by coronavirus.
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Coronavirus Latest: Major Meat Processors Shutting Down Plants As Employees Get Sick With COVID-19
April 9, 2020 at 11:20 am
SOUDERTON, Pa. (CNN) — Across the country, major meat processors are starting to shut down plants as employees are getting infected by coronavirus. Tyson, one of the world’s largest meat processors, suspended operations at its Columbus Junction, Iowa, pork plant this week after more than two dozen workers contracted Covid-19 there.
Tyson said it would divert livestock that was headed to Columbus Junction to other pork plants in the region to minimize the impact on its production.
JBS USA, another major meat processor, has stopped operations at its beef plant in Souderton, Pennsylvania with plans to reopen April 16, after two weeks. The company decided to close the facility after several members of the plant’s management team stopped going to work because they were experiencing flu-like symptoms, a company representative explained, adding that all other JBS USA’s plants are still open. Cargill has also paused operations at its protein plant in Hazleton, Pennsylvania, where 900 people typically work.
“This will allow us to minimize the impact of COVID-19 and continue [to] follow health department guidelines,” said Jon Nash, North America lead for Cargill Protein, in a statement to CNN Business.
Consumers are unlikely to see any shortages because of production disturbances. But the closures are devastating for some meat producers, which have remained open during the pandemic. Food suppliers are essential businesses.
The United States has a large enough meat inventory to prevent shortages for consumers, explained Christine McCracken, senior analyst of animal protein for Rabobank. Processors that were previously servicing restaurants or cafes have started to sell to retailers. And some restaurants are selling groceries, including meat, directly to customers.
“Retail is full,” said McCracken. “I don’t anticipate any real shortages for the consumer.”
The closures mark “a very small fraction of the overall slaughter,” in the United States, she added. “At this point there’s really no reason to think that there’d be any major disruptions.”
But there is potential for the closures to accelerate, which could put a strain on the system and further harm producers.
If workers sicken each other, plants could remain closed for longer or operate at reduced speeds. Already, fewer employees are working because they may have to stay home to care for children or sick relatives, among other reasons.
“The smart money would say that it will be an issue at more plants, we just hope they don’t all overlap at the same time,” she said. “If it expands to more plants it becomes a serious issue.”
Producers would “suddenly have nowhere to go,” she said. If local outbreaks mean closures of a number of regional plants, producers used to selling their products locally could run out of options. For those producers, “it is a crisis.”
National Cattlemen’s Beef Association President Marty Smith outlined the situation faced by cattle ranchers in a letter to President Trump on Wednesday.
“The onset of COVID-19 has resulted in the steep decline of both the cattle futures market and cash trade -— resulting in significant financial challenges for our members,” he wrote, warning that “the market woes for cattle producers will only grow if packing plants shut down or slow down for an extended period.”
TammyinWI
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Please see the last line of my signature. Yes, we are under attack. This is spiritual warfare. Victory can be yours!
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Scary video shows how a single cough spreads coronavirus across a supermarket
THIS terrifying animation shows how coronavirus particles from a single cough can hang in the air “several minutes” and spread across two aisles of a supermarket. Scientists created a …
www.thesun.co.uk
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Terrifying video shows how a single cough can spread a cloud of coronavirus across supermarket that lingers for minutes
Niamh Cavanagh
Apr 2020, 1:11 | Updated: 9 Apr 2020, 14:43
THIS terrifying animation shows how coronavirus particles from a single cough can hang in the air "several minutes" and spread across two aisles of a supermarket.
Scientists created a computer simulation to study how far the virus can travel indoors - and worryingly found how a cloud of droplets will infect others even after the sick person has walked away.
The simulation shows how immediately after someone coughs (right), coronavirus particles are spread across a supermarket aisle and go airborne. The blue particles show those at lower heights, the yellow ones are higher up
After a minute, huge numbers of particles remain in the aisle and the cloud is headed into the next aisle
Two minutes into the simulation and while the densest part of the coronavirus particle cloud remains in the original aisle, the virus has spread to the next aisle and the cloud is moving into another
The scientists involved say that the best way to avoid catching the virus is to stay away from busy public spaces like shops and stations.
Professor Ville Vuorinen of Aalto University in Finland told the BBC: "If you go there, only go there seldom as possible. Stay there as short a time as possible"
In a statement accompanying the video, the researchers said: "Preliminary results indicate that aerosol particles carrying the virus can remain in the air longer than was originally thought, so it is important to avoid busy public indoor spaces.
"This also reduces the risk of droplet infection, which remains the main path of transmission for coronavirus."
The study was conducted by scientists from Finland's Aalto University, the Finnish Meteorological Institute, the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland, and the University of Finland.
Experts researched how small airborne aerosol particles are transported in the air when emitted from the respiratory tract when sneezing, coughing or even talking.
They said: "In the situation under investigation, the aerosol cloud spreads outside the immediate vicinity of the coughing person and dilutes in the process.
"However, this can take up to several minutes.
“Extremely small particles of this size do not sink on the floor, but instead, move along in the air currents or remain floating in the same place."
Professor Vuorinen also said: "Someone infected by the coronavirus can cough and walk away, but then leave behind extremely small aerosol particles carrying the coronavirus.
"These particles could then end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity."
Despite the growing evidence that people could have the virus and not show symptoms, the UK and the WHO do not think it is a necessity for people to wear face masks.
In the UK it is advised that only health workers and carers that should wear the protective face masks.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the Government's health advisers had not told him to change the UK’s approach to members of the public wearing face masks.
He said there was little evidence to show the masks help and would be better used by healthcare workers and patients who test positive.
But it puts the UK at odds with the increasing number of countries starting to advise their citizens to wear some form of face-covering when they head outdoors.
In the US the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently recommended wearing a cloth face-covering in public where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.
These include pharmacies and grocery stores.
In Morocco, there is a government order to wear masks followed by threats of fines and imprisonment
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I can try and copy and past later but a good friend of ours is a former surgeon now GP in the UK and his Facebook posts when from "the strangely quiet and empty beds two weeks ago" to "starting to be swamped, very busy, very tired and starting to get a bit crazy" (or words to that effect I don't have the exact quote to hand).
Oklahoma City Hospital Temporarily Closing Due to Lack of Patients
The INTEGRIS Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, is temporarily closing most of its facility due to a mass decline in patients.www.breitbart.com
Oklahoma City Hospital Temporarily Closing Due to Lack of Patients
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The INTEGRIS Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, is temporarily closing most of its facility due to a mass decline in patients, it confirmed on Wednesday.
The postponement of non-emergent surgeries and procedures, according to the hospital’s statement, “has led to a declining census at both facilities.”
Therefore, to better consolidate resources, the bulk of the 238-bed acute-care facility is temporarily shutting down, with the exception of the emergency room and “some Radiology and infusion services,” according to KFOR.
Per the hospital’s statement:
Last month, Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt (R) issued an executive order postponing all elective surgeries and minor medical procedures through the beginning of April. However, the state is not formally under a statewide stay-at-home order.
As of Thursday morning, Oklahoma had 1,524 confirmed cases of the coronavirus and 79 related deaths.
With the NHS, it was possible to keep the quiet hospitals running on a lower speed (happened in Italy too and somewhere there is a nearly exact quote from a doctor in Italy about one week before all heck broke loose) in the US with the "for-profit" (really greed based) system of "Just in Time for those who can pay" health care - they can't afford to stay open so everyone gets sent home.
As someone who works in the field observed a couple of weeks ago "good luck getting everyone to come back to the same place that laid them off when things suddenly explode and they need people to step into the danger zone." (again or words that effect).
While many doctors and some nurses may come back (if they are not already working for an agency elsewhere) good luck getting janitors, nurses aids, receptionists and other lower-paid, often contracted agency staff to come back especially without proper hazmat/protection gear.
The days when it was a part of nursing to wash the floors, walls and bedsheets were gone by the 1950s and I can't really see highly trained nurses doing such jobs except in a dire emergency (and then only if they have time which they probably won't).
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Poor people (of all races) buy that cheap processed junk because it is the cheapest thing they can get and stretches the food budget further - yes, most of us on this list know how to live cheap on beans and rice but for at least two to three generations many in the urban and some rural areas, simply don't have a clue anymore.
Besides, this stuff "tastes good" and it is intended to both taste good and be addictive and if you don't believe that spend a few hours reading up on hidden industry memos and in-house publications for the food industry - it is a real eye-opener.
It takes both some education (used to come from parents) and an understanding of basic nutrition (used to come from parents and home economics classes and before that charity/Settlement House/church/university extensions etc) classes to know how to cook semi-healthy (and you're still going to eat a lot of carbs but complex ones).
Finally, there's an intentional industrial "cost issue" I watched a powerful documentary where they tried to help a very poor family eat properly and the price of ONE BELL PEPPER was THE SAME AS A HAPPY MEAL.
As long as that is the case, you can see what people feel forced to choose when their kids are hungry, on a daily basis.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
The only three that make even the remotest sense are the last three - you need trains (maybe not Amtrack but you need trains to carry cargo and farm produce), Native American Programs (to keep medical care and food going on the Res while this sorts out) and Housing for People with Aids (though I would include others on Social Security disability with compromised immune systems).
The last one saves money by keeping people with HIV (or as I said anyone on SSI with a compromising condition) off the streets, able to isolated and saves the cities and counties from putting them in hotel rooms during the Pandemic.
Otherwise, while some of the other programs may be worthing of funding (YMMV) they have nothing that I can see to do with the current crises.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
This is a valid concern:
NEWSUS bishop vows to ‘refuse’ COVID-19 vaccine if made from ‘aborted fetal tissue’
'I will not kill children to live,' Bp. Joseph Strickland insisted.
Wed Apr 8, 2020 - 9:06 pm EST
TYLER, Texas, April 8, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas said he “will refuse” a potential vaccine for the coronavirus if it is made using tissue from “aborted children.”In a tweet, he expressed his sadnessover the fact that “even with Covid-19 we are still debating the use of aborted fetal tissue for medical research.”
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Pro-life organization Children of God for Life, which focuses on the question of ethical vaccines, had found out that several of the leading COVID-19 vaccine developments are using aborted fetal cells.
Debi Vinnedge, executive director of Children of God for Life, said “her heart sank when she discovered that Spike protein,” which is part of a vaccine being developed by Moderna, “was produced using HEK 293 aborted fetal cells.”
Similarly, a vaccine developer owned by Johnson & Johnson “is using [its] PER C6 Ad5 technology, derived from an aborted baby’s retinal tissue.”
According to Children of God for Life, during a hearing of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a physician revealed how he harvested the fetal cells.
“So I isolated retina from a fetus, from a healthy fetus as far as could be seen, of 18 weeks old,” Alex van der Eb said. “There was nothing special with a family history or the pregnancy was completely normal up to the 18 weeks, and it turned out to be a socially indicated abortus — abortus provocatus, and that was simply because the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus[.] ... [W]hat was written down was unknown father, and that was, in fact, the reason why the abortion was requested.”
He then admitted that “PER C6 was made just for pharmaceutical manufacturing of adenovirus vectors[.] ... And then pharmaceutical industry standard. I realize that this sounds a bit commercial, but PER C6 were made for that particular purpose.”
In a press release, Children of God for Life explained how “in most seasonal flu vaccines, the need to produce large quantities of vaccine quickly has been a problem for many years as pharmaceutical companies used chicken eggs to cultivate their viruses. It takes several months and millions of eggs needed to produce the vaccines and so many companies began to turn to other cell lines for faster production.”
However, Vinnedge pointed to another company, Sanofi, using a platform based on insect cells. “Their Sf9 cell line comes from the fall armyworm and is highly effective as a rapid growth medium. It has been used for several years in producing influenza vaccines.”
For now, Bishop Strickland appears to be on his own among the bishops in speaking out regarding the unethical use of aborted fetal tissue in the development of a COVID-19 vaccine.
Strickland is no stranger to being on his own when it comes to questions of principle. At the end of March, he refused to sign a “Statement on Scarce Healthcare Resources” by the Texas Catholic Conference of Bishops (TCCB) in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Strickland explained his decision, saying the TCCB statement, “while flowing from a laudable concern for the difficult challenges faced by health care professionals in respect to limited resources, fails to show a due regard for the importance of law and amounts to asking Governor Abbot to abandon the excellent laws he has helped put in place to protect the vulnerable.”
The bishop admitted the difficulty of making the correct decision in life-and-death situations when resources are limited. “Fortunately, and rightly, the law itself has a degree of flexibility in it that enables judges to be prudent and take into account factors that may lead to questionable decisions not motivated by malice of any kind but rather by misguided compassion.”
In this regard, Strickland called on judges, juries, and the public to be understanding, giving the benefit of the doubt to the people working in health care. “But to suspend the law altogether is to remove a major incentive for ensuring that due diligence is exercised in difficult times and puts the ill, vulnerable, poor, and marginalized at risk.”
The bishop of Tyler recalled that there are certain principles of moral theology that always have to be applied. “For example, the family should always be consulted and considered in making vital moral decisions such as these.” Similarly, the elderly, the disabled, and the most vulnerable “should always be protected and shown a love of preference,” as they are “the poor in our midst, during this pandemic.”
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NEWSUS bishop vows to ‘refuse’ COVID-19 vaccine if made from ‘aborted fetal tissue’
'I will not kill children to live,' Bp. Joseph Strickland insisted.
Wed Apr 8, 2020 - 9:06 pm EST
TYLER, Texas, April 8, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas said he “will refuse” a potential vaccine for the coronavirus if it is made using tissue from “aborted children.”In a tweet, he expressed his sadnessover the fact that “even with Covid-19 we are still debating the use of aborted fetal tissue for medical research.”
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So sad...even with Covid-19 we are still debating the use of aborted fetal tissue for medical research...let me go on record...if a vaccine for this virus is only attainable if we use body parts of aborted children then I will refuse the vaccine...I will not kill children to live
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Pro-life organization Children of God for Life, which focuses on the question of ethical vaccines, had found out that several of the leading COVID-19 vaccine developments are using aborted fetal cells.
Debi Vinnedge, executive director of Children of God for Life, said “her heart sank when she discovered that Spike protein,” which is part of a vaccine being developed by Moderna, “was produced using HEK 293 aborted fetal cells.”
Similarly, a vaccine developer owned by Johnson & Johnson “is using [its] PER C6 Ad5 technology, derived from an aborted baby’s retinal tissue.”
According to Children of God for Life, during a hearing of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a physician revealed how he harvested the fetal cells.
“So I isolated retina from a fetus, from a healthy fetus as far as could be seen, of 18 weeks old,” Alex van der Eb said. “There was nothing special with a family history or the pregnancy was completely normal up to the 18 weeks, and it turned out to be a socially indicated abortus — abortus provocatus, and that was simply because the woman wanted to get rid of the fetus[.] ... [W]hat was written down was unknown father, and that was, in fact, the reason why the abortion was requested.”
He then admitted that “PER C6 was made just for pharmaceutical manufacturing of adenovirus vectors[.] ... And then pharmaceutical industry standard. I realize that this sounds a bit commercial, but PER C6 were made for that particular purpose.”
In a press release, Children of God for Life explained how “in most seasonal flu vaccines, the need to produce large quantities of vaccine quickly has been a problem for many years as pharmaceutical companies used chicken eggs to cultivate their viruses. It takes several months and millions of eggs needed to produce the vaccines and so many companies began to turn to other cell lines for faster production.”
However, Vinnedge pointed to another company, Sanofi, using a platform based on insect cells. “Their Sf9 cell line comes from the fall armyworm and is highly effective as a rapid growth medium. It has been used for several years in producing influenza vaccines.”
For now, Bishop Strickland appears to be on his own among the bishops in speaking out regarding the unethical use of aborted fetal tissue in the development of a COVID-19 vaccine.
Strickland is no stranger to being on his own when it comes to questions of principle. At the end of March, he refused to sign a “Statement on Scarce Healthcare Resources” by the Texas Catholic Conference of Bishops (TCCB) in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Strickland explained his decision, saying the TCCB statement, “while flowing from a laudable concern for the difficult challenges faced by health care professionals in respect to limited resources, fails to show a due regard for the importance of law and amounts to asking Governor Abbot to abandon the excellent laws he has helped put in place to protect the vulnerable.”
The bishop admitted the difficulty of making the correct decision in life-and-death situations when resources are limited. “Fortunately, and rightly, the law itself has a degree of flexibility in it that enables judges to be prudent and take into account factors that may lead to questionable decisions not motivated by malice of any kind but rather by misguided compassion.”
In this regard, Strickland called on judges, juries, and the public to be understanding, giving the benefit of the doubt to the people working in health care. “But to suspend the law altogether is to remove a major incentive for ensuring that due diligence is exercised in difficult times and puts the ill, vulnerable, poor, and marginalized at risk.”
The bishop of Tyler recalled that there are certain principles of moral theology that always have to be applied. “For example, the family should always be consulted and considered in making vital moral decisions such as these.” Similarly, the elderly, the disabled, and the most vulnerable “should always be protected and shown a love of preference,” as they are “the poor in our midst, during this pandemic.”
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Horowitz: Dr. Birx: 'We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality' | Blaze Media
Why would our governing elites be so motivated to overstate the impact of COVID-19 and scare people beyond the unprecedented levels of panic that are already pervasive in this country?Believe it or not, the coronavirus epidemic does not stop deaths from other causes. While the politicians are...
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Horowitz: Dr. Birx: ‘We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality’
Daniel Horowitz · April 8, 2020
"Why would our governing elites be so motivated to overstate the impact of COVID-19 and scare people beyond the unprecedented levels of panic that are already pervasive in this country?
Believe it or not, the coronavirus epidemic does not stop deaths from other causes. While the politicians are shutting down other medical care in this country, they fail to recognize that life and even death go on. Many of us have been concerned that they have been conflating deaths due to coronavirus with deaths of those who have coronavirus but ultimately succumb to other illnesses. In their quest to continue this degree of fascism, plus in the motivation of some hospitals to get more federal relief funds, there is every incentive to code as many deaths as possible as related to COVID-19.
Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx.
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Here is Dr. Birx saying that the government is recording anyone who dies with coronavirus in the United States, regardless of any other health issue, as a death from coronavirus.
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Truth be told, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has already indicated that COVID-19 deaths are not being recorded based on definitive confirmation that the virus caused death in a given decedent. “In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely, it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as ‘probable’ or ‘presumed’,” the CDC advises in its April guidance for recording COVID-19 deaths. “In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgment in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely.”
When Birx was asked whether such an approach to toxicology could “skew data,” Birx conceded it might be a possibility in parts of the country where testing is not widespread, but not in the hot spots. “I’m pretty confident that in New York City and New Jersey and places that have these large outbreaks and COVID-only hospitals … I can tell you they are testing,” she said.
But so what if they are testing? There’s a difference between someone dying of COVID-19 and someone dying with COVID-19. Typically, an autopsy would be performed to determine the actual cause of death. This is very important in determining the real fatality rate of the virus.
Some might suggest that it makes sense to count these deaths as COVID-19-related because although some of these people were sick with other ailments, they likely died only due to the virus. But we don’t know that to be true. If that were the case, the number of other common morbidities would be stable as coronavirus deaths skyrocket. However, new anecdotal evidence suggests that heart attack fatalities have mysteriously plummeted.
Harlan Krumholz, a doctor at Yale New Haven Hospital in Connecticut, wrote in the New York Times earlier this week that his hospital is eerily empty of heart and stroke patients. While some of this is due to the cancellation of elective surgeries, it doesn’t explain the drop in other medical emergencies that are not elective or planned. “What is striking is that many of the emergencies have disappeared,” wrote Dr. Krumholz.
Dr. Krumholz posits that perhaps some patients are dying in silence at home out of fear of coming to the hospital. He explores possible reasons for a reduction in other illnesses, but seems to believe that, if anything, given the anxiety and stress of this crisis, we should be seeing more heart attacks. It’s one thing to expect car accident fatalities to plummet, given how few people are on the roads. But heart attacks?
While Dr. Krumholz’s main point is to warn people not to be deterred from seeking medical care for other emergencies, perhaps he is glossing over another factor. Could it be that some of those mysteriously absent heart attack and stroke patients are really in the COVID-19 cases?
Dr. Krumholz explains that his fellow doctors actually expected to see more heart attacks because “respiratory infections typically increase the risk of heart attacks.”
“Studies suggest that recent respiratory infections can double the risk of a heart attack or stroke,” observes Krumholz. “The risk seems to begin soon after the respiratory infection develops, so any rise in heart attacks or strokes should be evident by now.”
Well, what if I told you that this is actually happening, but these cases are being recorded as COVID-19 deaths, not as heart attacks, simply because the patient died with the virus?
This is what is so sad about our medical elite in America. There is such an eager agenda to use this crisis to restrict liberties and, as California Governor Gavin Newsom revealed, as “an opportunity to reshape the way we do business and how we govern.”
President Eisenhower famously warned against the “military-industrial complex.” However, just as importantly, during his farewell address in 1961, he warned against the scientific-industrial complex. “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
As we see one “scientific” model after another proven wrong in pursuit of a police state, perhaps it’s time we call BS on the “scientific-technological elite.”"
Author: Daniel Horowitz
Daniel Horowitz is a senior editor of Conservative Review.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I think the early studies showing the contamination in wastewater showing thousands of more infections in some areas than there should be indicated at the very least that a lot of people are asymptomatic and that even if the reporting is messed up; there are a lot of people out there with this disease in both the milder and more serious form.
It seems to be the last refuge for dem’s and Progressives everywhere when they have no political argument left.I've noticed while watching the evening/nightly snooze, it appears to me that the media is rapidly portraying this pandemic in the US as a racial issue and more and more politicos are jumping on the bandwagon. I'm very confident that COVID isn't racist. The virus is statistically affecting folks that have other health probs like being overweight, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. It just happens to be that alot of black / brown folk have those health issues and are getting sick with the virus. Its the same with white folk too. And Asians and pretty much everyone else. They are just comparing numbers and picking out the stuff they WANT to see and ignore all the other variables. The whole thing makes me
Unfortunately for them it is used so frequently and in many fake stories that for many swing voters it no longer has much effectiveness.
Its now is just an indicator they got nothing left outside physical violence.
mzkitty
I give up.
Northern Ireland, I think:
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Shadow
Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
We are really not that much different from the Chinese in this regard, are we?This is a valid concern:
NEWSUS bishop vows to ‘refuse’ COVID-19 vaccine if made from ‘aborted fetal tissue’
TYLER, Texas, April 8, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) — Bishop Joseph Strickland of Tyler, Texas said he “will refuse” a potential vaccine for the coronavirus if it is made using tissue from “aborted children.”In a tweet, he expressed his sadnessover the fact that “even with Covid-19 we are still debating the use of aborted fetal tissue for medical research.”
Pro-life organization Children of God for Life, which focuses on the question of ethical vaccines, had found out that several of the leading COVID-19 vaccine developments are using aborted fetal cells.
US bishop vows to ‘refuse’ COVID-19 vaccine if made from ‘aborted fetal tissue’ - LifeSite
'I will not kill children to live,' Bp. Joseph Strickland insisted.
Shadow
mzkitty
I give up.
Would it REALLY be made from aborted fetal tissue?
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04/10/20 08:18 AM EDT
New York state, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., now has more cases of the virus than any other country in the world.
As of Friday morning, the Empire State had almost 162,000 confirmed cases of the virus, according to Johns Hopkins University. Spain, the country with the most confirmed cases other than the U.S., has just over 157,000 cases.
Of the over 16,600 deaths in the U.S. from the disease, more than 7,000 have come from New York.
The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington has predicted the highest daily number of deaths from COVID-19 sometime this weekend and that 60,415 will die from the virus by August 4.
This is down from the White House coronavirus task force's initial death toll range of 100,000 to 240,000 deaths.
On Thursday night, Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), also signaled that the U.S. is closing in on the peak of the outbreak.
"I think we're coming to the peak ... we can see the other side of the curve," the doctor said in an appearance on CNN. Redfield credited the country's "aggressive social distancing" techniques for lowering the expected mortality rate.
New York now has more coronavirus cases than any country
New York state, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., now has more cases of the virus than any country in the world.As of Friday morning, the Empire State had almost…
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