jward
passin' thru
absolutely. I read that people see this rabid desire to damage DJT no matter the cost to American lives for what it is- and that it was backfiring. I hope that proves true.
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absolutely. I read that people see this rabid desire to damage DJT no matter the cost to American lives for what it is- and that it was backfiring. I hope that proves true.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
They just don't get it. Cuomo is screaming at the tens of thousands of new yorkers for violating the six foot rule, or attending the festival, or riding the subway which will feed the chaos and then they pull the turning the corner crap.
marsh
On TB every waking moment
A Facebook group matches RVs that are sitting idle with health care workers who need a place to isolate after long hospital shifts | CNN
From an ICU nurse in Twin Cities, Minnesota, to an ER doctor in Lynchburg, Virginia, RVs 4 MDs has matched dozens of health care workers with RVs, trailers and campers in their area.
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A Facebook group matches RVs that are sitting idle with health care workers who need a place to isolate after long hospital shifts
By Alicia Lee, CNN
Updated 1:13 PM ET, Wed April 1, 2020
Mark Quale, an emergency physician, is able to isolate himself from his family thanks to Facebook group RVs for MDs.
(CNN)For Mark Quale, an emergency room physician in Burlington, North Carolina, coming home after a long day at the hospital was as stressful as work itself. With two young boys, a wife and elderly mother-in-law at home, he knew that if he wasn't cautious, he could spread the novel coronavirus to his own family.
So just as he arrived home from work, he would strip off his scrubs on the front porch, walk the specific route to his bathroom that was cordoned off by a tarp and wash all the germs off in the shower.
But today, Quale's mind is more at peace because he's able to isolate himself in a 31-foot travel trailer, and it's all thanks to a Facebook group called RVs 4 MDs, which matches health care workers to local RV owners.
It started with a Facebook post
From an ICU nurse in Twin Cities, Minnesota, to an ER doctor in Lynchburg, Virginia, RVs 4 MDs has matched dozens of health care workers with RVs, trailers and campers in their area. The Facebook group has already racked up nearly 3,000 members, an incredible number given the fact that the group was created just one week ago.
Emily Phillips, her husband, Dr. Jason Phillips and their son, Beau. Emily started RVs for MDs to help connect health care workers with RVs so they could stay self-isolate while staying near their homes.
Last Monday, Emily Phillips, a mother of three from Celina, Texas, had posted on her Facebook asking if anybody had an RV her family could borrow as her husband was an ER doctor in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. A woman named Holly Haggard replied saying that Phillips could borrow hers.
"Before the RV, I was a nervous wreck. Every time my husband walked in the door or put his hand on something, I thought we were going to get (Covid-19), including my baby," Phillips said. "But now that he's in that RV, I'm back to my life, focused on my full-time job and my kids, and it's completely changed our situation."
Knowing that there were countless other families in similar situations as hers, Phillips took on Haggard as her business partner and the two created RVs 4 MDs, which went live last Tuesday night.
In a matter of one week, the two Texan moms have built the simple Facebook group into a robust volunteer organization, complete with a board of directors and network of volunteers spanning across the nation.
Kindness from complete strangers
Quale and his family were one of the first to be matched with an RV from a pair of kind strangers named Kelsey and Tim Webb. The two families had never met before, but Tim drove his trailer for 2.5 hours to Quale's home, gave Quale's wife, LaRayne, the keys and told her that they could use it for as long as they needed.
Tim Webb drove 2.5 hours to temporarily donate his travel trailer to LaRayne Quale (right).
"It was such an emotional thing to go through and to have someone offer up their RV completely for free, I felt so blessed," LaRayne, who now volunteers with RVs 4 MDs said. "I asked if they wanted us to cover the insurance, but they wanted nothing... They said that they are praying for us and rooting for us."
Kelsey, who normally makes money by renting out the trailer, said donating it to the Quales was a "no-brainer."
"This family was in need and this was the one way we could help," Kelsey told CNN. "You can't put a price tag on this... It just makes my heart happy that we're able to do this for them and give them peace of mind."
Quale said he was extremely proud of his fellow health care workers on the front lines of this pandemic, but he added that this virus isn't something that can be defeated by the medical professionals alone.
"(RVs 4 MDs) demonstrates that there is so much more to fighting the coronavirus than what happens at the hospital. There are layers upon layers of people fighting this in different ways. The reason I'm able to fight this right now is because of my wife and the work that these people are doing so we can focus on the medical portion and not have to worry about the rest," Quale said.
More volunteers are needed
Every hour, there are new posts on the Facebook page from spouses and family members looking to be matched with an RV.
"Looking for an RV in Grapevine Texas. Wife is camping out on the apt patio," one post reads.
"ER Doc in Rochester NY has been living in the garage for 3 weeks to protect our 3 kids and me," another post reads.
But with each new request, there's an equal amount of posts from RV owners saying that they want to help.
"I have never seen anything like this in my entire life," Phillips said. "The amount of people that are stepping up to help with a project where they aren't even getting a dime in return is unbelievable."
Dr. Jason Phillips (left) and Dr. Craig Reese Brockman with a donated camper that Brockman will use to prevent the risk of passing along the coronavirus to his family.
To keep up with this project that has spread like wildfire, Phillips has recruited the help of attorneys, people in insurance and IT, but what she needs the most right now are more volunteers, she said.
"We need more volunteers to head up the different states," Phillips said. "A lot of people are out there with nothing to do. Well, we got something to do and it can really help a lot."
Phillips and her team hope to expand the program into Canada, set up an official website, and even keep it going after the coronavirus crisis is over.
"We're going to keep it running until there's not one person left on the planet that needs an RV or needs shelter," Phillips said. "Whether it's a storm or whatever the case is, we'll have this organization for the next crisis because there's always going to be a need for shelter."
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Well... I guess the best bet is to take your business somewhere else? Enough people walk and they'll change stupid rules, everyone is new at this...
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
We have a whole house fan. I've been running it for a while everyday.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
All the programming I did was on the TI 99/4a and I'll need a cassette player and a bunch of blank cassettes...
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
I wonder the reasoning behind that?
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Every day, my hypothesis is reinforced...
I hope everyone here is, at least, considering the implications and acting accordingly...
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Hey all, please watch the above video about which goes into a lot of explanation of the CCP Virus and especially about the virus attacking hemoglobin and pulling out the iron ion which transfers O2 to the cells and removes CO2. The body becomes starved for oxygen and the iron ions attack the body. This is the second posting about the hemoglobin O2 and CO2 starvation of the cells and the iron ion attacking the body.
Link: archive.is/ONUmi#selection-183.0-381.5
Have been praying for all of those working on cures for the CCP Virus and things are changing.
May God continue to help us.
Texican....
SurvivalRing
Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
Small world. My first system was also a 99/4a, with all the bells and whistles. I was running a dialup bbs on my system for 4+ years, and taught myself enough basic to completely rewrite that program.
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ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
^^ Your post reminded me of an interesting article I read. See below.
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Coronavirus and the Sun: a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic
Richard Hobday
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Fresh air, sunlight and improvised face masks seemed to work a century ago; and they might help us now.
by Richard Hobday
When new, virulent diseases emerge, such SARS and Covid-19, the race begins to find new vaccines and treatments for those affected. As the current crisis unfolds, governments are enforcing quarantine and isolation, and public gatherings are being discouraged. Health officials took the same approach 100 years ago, when influenza was spreading around the world. The results were mixed. But records from the 1918 pandemic suggest one technique for dealing with influenza — little-known today — was effective. Some hard-won experience from the greatest pandemic in recorded history could help us in the weeks and months ahead.
Influenza patients getting sunlight at the Camp Brooks emergency open-air hospital in Boston. Medical staff were not supposed to remove their masks. (National Archives)
Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.
`Open-Air’ Treatment in 1918
During the great pandemic, two of the worst places to be were military barracks and troop-ships. Overcrowding and bad ventilation put soldiers and sailors at high risk of catching influenza and the other infections that often followed it.[2,3] As with the current Covid-19 outbreak, most of the victims of so-called `Spanish flu’ did not die from influenza: they died of pneumonia and other complications.
When the influenza pandemic reached the East coast of the United States in 1918, the city of Boston was particularly badly hit. So the State Guard set up an emergency hospital. They took in the worst cases among sailors on ships in Boston harbour. The hospital’s medical officer had noticed the most seriously ill sailors had been in badly-ventilated spaces.
So he gave them as much fresh air as possible by putting them in tents. And in good weather they were taken out of their tents and put in the sun. At this time, it was common practice to put sick soldiers outdoors. Open-air therapy, as it was known, was widely used on casualties from the Western Front. And it became the treatment of choice for another common and often deadly respiratory infection of the time; tuberculosis. Patients were put outside in their beds to breathe fresh outdoor air. Or they were nursed in cross-ventilated wards with the windows open day and night. The open-air regimen remained popular until antibiotics replaced it in the 1950s.
Doctors who had first-hand experience of open-air therapy at the hospital in Boston were convinced the regimen was effective. It was adopted elsewhere. If one report is correct, it reduced deaths among hospital patients from 40 per cent to about 13 per cent.[4] According to the Surgeon General of the Massachusetts State Guard:
`The efficacy of open air treatment has been absolutely proven, and one has only to try it to discover its value.’
Fresh Air is a Disinfectant
Patients treated outdoors were less likely to be exposed to the infectious germs that are often present in conventional hospital wards. They were breathing clean air in what must have been a largely sterile environment. We know this because, in the 1960s, Ministry of Defence scientists proved that fresh air is a natural disinfectant.[5]
Something in it, which they called the Open Air Factor, is far more harmful to airborne bacteria — and the influenza virus — than indoor air. They couldn’t identify exactly what the Open Air Factor is. But they found it was effective both at night and during the daytime.
Their research also revealed that the Open Air Factor’s disinfecting powers can be preserved in enclosures — if ventilation rates are kept high enough. Significantly, the rates they identified are the same ones that cross-ventilated hospital wards, with high ceilings and big windows, were designed for.[6] But by the time the scientists made their discoveries, antibiotic therapy had replaced open-air treatment. Since then the germicidal effects of fresh air have not featured in infection control, or hospital design. Yet harmful bacteria have become increasingly resistant to antibiotics.
Sunlight and Influenza Infection
Putting infected patients out in the sun may have helped because it inactivates the influenza virus.[7] It also kills bacteria that cause lung and other infections in hospitals.[8] During the First World War, military surgeons routinely used sunlight to heal infected wounds.[9] They knew it was a disinfectant. What they didn’t know is that one advantage of placing patients outside in the sun is they can synthesise vitamin D in their skin if sunlight is strong enough. This was not discovered until the 1920s. Low vitamin D levels are now linked to respiratory infections and may increase susceptibility to influenza.[10]
Also, our body’s biological rhythms appear to influence how we resist infections.[11] New research suggests they can alter our inflammatory response to the flu virus.[12] As with vitamin D, at the time of the 1918 pandemic, the important part played by sunlight in synchronizing these rhythms was not known.
Face Masks Coronavirus and Flu
Surgical masks are currently in short supply in China and elsewhere. They were worn 100 years ago, during the great pandemic, to try and stop the influenza virus spreading. While surgical masks may offer some protection from infection they do not seal around the face. So they don’t filter out small airborne particles. In 1918, anyone at the emergency hospital in Boston who had contact with patients had to wear an improvised face mask. This comprised five layers of gauze fitted to a wire frame which covered the nose and mouth. The frame was shaped to fit the face of the wearer and prevent the gauze filter touching the mouth and nostrils. The masks were replaced every two hours; properly sterilized and with fresh gauze put on. They were a forerunner of the N95 respirators in use in hospitals today to protect medical staff against airborne infection.
Temporary Hospitals
Staff at the hospital kept up high standards of personal and environmental hygiene. No doubt this played a big part in the relatively low rates of infection and deaths reported there. The speed with which their hospital and other temporary open-air facilities were erected to cope with the surge in pneumonia patients was another factor. Today, many countries are not prepared for a severe influenza pandemic.[13] Their health services will be overwhelmed if there is one. Vaccines and antiviral drugs might help. Antibiotics may be effective for pneumonia and other complications. But much of the world’s population will not have access to them. If another 1918 comes, or the Covid-19 crisis gets worse, history suggests it might be prudent to have tents and pre-fabricated wards ready to deal with large numbers of seriously ill cases. Plenty of fresh air and a little sunlight might help too.
Dr. Richard Hobday is an independent researcher working in the fields of infection control, public health and building design. He is the author of `The Healing Sun’.
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- Summers JA, Wilson N, Baker MG, Shanks GD. Mortality risk factors for pandemic influenza on New Zealand troop ship, 1918. Emerg Infect Dis 2010 Dec;16(12):1931–7. doi:10.3201/eid1612.100429.
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- Schuit M, Gardner S, Wood S et al. The influence of simulated sunlight on the inactivation of influenza virus in aerosols. J Infect Dis 2020 Jan 14;221(3):372–378. doi: 10.1093/infdis/jiz582.
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My DDH was stationed in Aviano, Italy in the early 1970's and brought us, his family, even though it would require finding housing in the local available civilian housing availability among the local Italian people. We were there 5 years. I thoroughly enjoyed that stay and learned a LOT.
One of the things ALL the Italians did back then DAILY was throw all the windows and doors open and pull the sheets off the beds (even if they were not going to change the sheets) and hang them out the open windows in the sun. I heard the neighbors talking, saying that AMERICANS were not very CLEAN because they did not do this nor air their homes out daily!!
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
You might as well spill the beans.
We’ve all read and heard some pretty nasty stuff already that keeps most of us up at night anyway.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
They said it was because a lot of helicopter moms, going crazy with kids with cabin fever were just taking the brood out to "go shopping" just to get out of the house and were hauling them around to any place that was still open.....
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In Right-Wing Media, the Pivot Didn’t Happen
The president belatedly acknowledged how dire a threat COVID-19 is, but many of his enablers in right-wing media refuse to take his cue.www.theatlantic.com
In Right-Wing Media, the Pivot Didn’t Happen
The president belatedly acknowledged how dire a threat COVID-19 is, but many of his enablers in right-wing media refuse to take his cue.
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Peter Beinart
Professor of journalism at the City University of New York
Talk radio host Rush LimbaughANDREW HARNIK /AP
Mainstream news descriptions of the right-wing media’s approach to COVID-19 typically go something like this: At first, prominent conservatives on television and radio downplayed the threat; only when Donald Trump himself acknowledged that the coronavirus was likely to kill large numbers of Americans did his enablers on Fox News and talk radio reverse course.
On March 31, the New York Times contributing opinion writer Kara Swisher asserted that Fox News had “dished out dangerous misinformation about the virus in the early days of the crisis” and had only recently gotten “much more serious in its reporting on the coronavirus, as has Mr. Trump.” On April 1, the Times reporter Jeremy Peters described an initial “denial among many of Mr. Trump’s followers” in the press about the seriousness of the COVID-19 threat, followed by a “sharp pivot” to acknowledging its severity but “blaming familiar enemies in the Democratic Party and the news media” for the destruction the virus has brought.
As damning as such accounts are, they’re also too generous. They depict the right-wing media’s understatement of the coronavirus danger as a thing of the past. That’s not so. Some of the most influential conservative commentators on television and radio—Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin, and Glenn Beck—still downplay the danger posed by COVID-19. Remarkably, they’re rejecting scientific expertise even when it’s endorsed by Trump himself.
Not everyone in the conservative media is questioning the coronavirus threat. In early March, Tucker Carlson told his audience that “people you trust, people you probably voted for” were “minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem.”
His Fox News colleague Sean Hannity, who may have been one of the pundits whom Carlson obliquely criticized, stopped playing down the COVID-19 threat once Trump did.
But Carlson and Hannity appear to be exceptions. On April 2—four days after Trump changed course and extended social-distancing requirements until the end of April—Limbaugh, citing an article in the British magazine The Spectator, suggested that the “coronavirus is being listed as a cause of death for many people who are not dying because of it.” The next day he alleged that models suggesting hundreds of thousands of Americans could die from the virus are “just as bad and just as unreliable as climate change models.” He went on to accuse the mainstream media of “hyping huge [potential] death tolls” as they had in 1991, when they warned of “all these body bags [the] U.S. military was gonna [need] because the U.S. military had no way to beat Saddam Hussein” in the Gulf War. Limbaugh’s implication was clear: Just as the Gulf War took far fewer American lives than many commentators had predicted, COVID-19 would too.
Ingraham, who follows Hannity at 10 p.m. on Fox News, has peddled a similar line. On Twitter on March 31, she shared a column by William Bennett and Seth Leibsohn that suggested the number of deaths from COVID-19 would prove “much smaller than our annual rate of opioid overdose deaths—46,802—or annual deaths due to motor vehicle crashes, 33,654” and urged Americans to “reclaim a sense of proportion.” On April 2, she quoted an article in Britain’s The Telegraph, which declared that, in Italy, “only 12 percent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus.” In other words, Italians aren’t dying in large numbers from the virus after all. That same day, Ingraham promoted an interview with a Stanford professor who has claimed that “projections of the death toll” from COVID-19 “could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.”
Other prominent conservative commentators are downplaying the coronavirus threat in much the same way. On April 2, Levin—the fourth-most-popular radio talk-show host in America, after Limbaugh, Hannity, and Dave Ramsey, according to Talkers—accused “the leftwing, phony media” of “demanding compliance with the most extreme mortality predictions.” On April 3, he offered “perspective” by tweeting about a chart that showed COVID-19 had killed fewer people than Ebola, MERS, SARS or the swine flu. On April 2, Beck—the nation’s fifth-most-popular radio talk-show host—warned that anti-Trump activists had created virus models that were “wildly inaccurate” and “always skewed to large, large numbers” of COVID-19 deaths. The day before, on April 1, Beck told his Twitter followers, “The coronavirus ISN’T America’s most dangerous virus … That’s the mainstream media!”
The government’s social-distancing requirements, these pro-Trump talkers insist, are likely more harmful than the virus itself. “Ten million people have lost their jobs,” Limbaugh announced on April 2. “That’s not enough for people like Bill Gates. That’s not enough for people who want to shoot down the entire country.” Over the weekend, both Ingraham and Levin circulated a Federalist article headlined “Why Severe Social Distancing Might Actually Result In More Coronavirus Deaths.” On April 1, Beck urged policy makers to “start putting hard dates on some of these [social-distancing] measures because we have got to get back to work … A forced economic recession isn’t a gamble that I signed up for.”
Limbaugh, Ingraham, Levin, and Beck haven’t criticized Trump personally for acknowledging the severity of the pandemic. But neither are they giving credence to his newly dire estimates of the COVID-19 threat. The reason may be that they have different incentives than he does. Conservative talkers answer to their conservative audience, which, according to polls, remains more skeptical than Democrats of government restrictions on movement. Trump must worry about public opinion as a whole, which strongly favors government-imposed social distancing. Trump’s decision to abandon his goal of reopening the country by Easter, according to Peter Baker and Maggie Haberman of the Times, came after “political advisers described for him polling that showed that voters overwhelmingly preferred to keep containment measures in place over sending people back to work prematurely.”
Trump must also balance his habitual suspicion of government experts against the fact that Americans trust those experts—in particular, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci—far more than they trust him in the battle against COVID-19. For Trump to reject their advice entirely might hurt his own standing, especially among the Democrats and independents who have helped boost his approval rating since the virus hit America’s shores.
Conservative talk radio, by contrast, is built on distrust of experts. Left-wing populists attack economic elites; right-wing populists attack cultural elites, especially those whom progressives venerate. In recent years, as progressives have championed the scientific consensus that climate change poses a grave danger, many conservatives have come to see scientists as yet another collection of snobs using the veneer of expertise to impose its liberal ideology on the country. A 2019 Pew Research Center poll found that while a large majority of Democrats believed that scientists were better than other people “at making good policy decisions about scientific issues,” a large majority of Republicans disagreed.
Over the past week, this populist distrust of scientific experts has suffused conservative talk radio’s downplaying of the COVID-19 threat. “The ‘experts’ are routinely wrong on issues big and small—on wearing masks, on reusable grocery bags … virus modeling and treatments,” Ingraham tweeted on April 3.
“So when experts issue edicts, remember their often spectacular record of failure.” On April 1, Beck urged politicians “to stop relying on flawed modeling data to make these decisions” and instead “listen to the people in your local communities.” On April 5, Levin warned that “the media, ‘experts,’ and Democrats are trying to make it impossible for the president to even consider rational options for opening parts of the economy.” On April 3, Ingraham declared, “The ‘experts’ aren’t capable of thinking beyond the virus to an even worse death spiral affecting millions of lives here and abroad.”
This distrust of the scientific establishment helps explain why Limbaugh, Levin, and Ingraham—along with Carlson and Hannity—have all championed hydroxychloroquine as an antidote to COVID-19. Fauci has said he can’t verify that the drug is effective and safe. But for conservative talkers, the prospect that Americans without elite credentials have discovered a cure that has eluded scientific elites is part of what makes hydroxychloroquine so enticing. “I don’t think you need to have 12 years of residency or whatever,” Limbaugh declared in an April 3 segment titled “Dr. Fauci Sides with Bureaucracy Over Hydroxychloroquine Hope.”
When Trump and some of America’s most prominent conservative pundits part company over the coronavirus threat, the discrepancy between them represents a fascinating test of partisanship versus ideology. Limbaugh, Ingraham, Levin, and Beck are trying to balance their loyalty to Trump with their distrust of credentialed experts, especially those venerated by the mainstream media. That, so far, they’re largely choosing the latter suggests that liberals may be overestimating Trump’s influence. Even when he reluctantly accepts a scientific consensus, some of the biggest conservative megaphones in America still won’t.
Personally, I don’t let any of the media left or right knowingly influence my thought processes. Hannity can be a shill and so can Limbaugh and the rest of them. We tend to disparage the ’sheep’ on the left that lap up what is served but the right has its own sheep as well. Take all the information that comes your way regardless of source and exercise your own critical thinking skills.
When Pres Trump was first downplaying the virus potential here and others were falling in line with the reasoning he was using I knew he was wrong. We could all see what was happening in China. Those of us paying attention got a four to six week jump start over everyone else. Don’t be a lemming regardless of pedigree.
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Heliobas Disciple
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I'd also be interested in whatever it is he that he told you. I hope you post an update.
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SARS originated in China in 2002. It's thought that a strain of the coronavirus usually only found in small mammals mutated, enabling it to infect humans.
The SARS infection quickly spread from China to other Asian countries. There were also a small number of cases in several other countries, including 4 in the UK, plus a significant outbreak in Toronto, Canada.
The SARS pandemic was eventually brought under control in July 2003, following a policy of isolating people suspected of having the condition and screening all passengers travelling by air from affected countries for signs of the infection.
During the period of infection, there were 8,098 reported cases of SARS and 774 deaths. This means the virus killed about 1 in 10 people who were infected. People over the age of 65 were particularly at risk, with over half of those who died from the infection being in this age group.
In 2004 there was another smaller SARS outbreak linked to a medical laboratory in China. It was thought to have been the result of someone coming into direct contact with a sample of the SARS virus, rather than being caused by animal-to-human or human-to-human transmission.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Nope there are growing reports of desperate mothers having to leave elementary school-aged kids (like second graders) weeping and crying in front of the store when guards refused to let them in with their Moms. The situation I read about the child was seven, and Mom was between a rock and a hard place.
Rush in to buy food for herself and the child leaving the kid at the door (where there were adult guards, the same ones that refused the child entry) or go home to no food or supplies.
When I was younger (and had child care experience) I remember the shock of caring for kids in the apartments of single Moms who had NO food in the house towards the end of the month or the pay period.
This was a shock to me because although my family was pretty poor by that point, my Mom had grown up during the end of the Depression and always managed to have food in the house saying "when I was a child I was always cold and always hungry so now I always have a lot of food and blankets in the house."
But not everyone can manage that or knows how to do it.
Welfare offices used to have the same problem when I worked at AFDC in the early 1990s, children were "not allowed" during appointments but many single Mothers brought them anyway, the staff had a choice of letting them in the building or play outside on an urban sidewalk without supervision.
mzkitty
I give up.
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Melodi
Disaster Cat
When I studied Data Entry in the middle 1980s punch cards were considered so obsolete that they didn't even teach their use and had an old machine in the corner as an example of "expired technology."
When I worked for HHS (Health and Human Services) in the early 1990s, the payroll was still done on punch cards - they had to be sent to be processed in Washington DC because that was the only mainframe that could still use them.
Two of the clerks invented a payroll program over the weekend on an Apple Desk Top (before the internet) that did it all and without having to do hand-done punch cards but it was rejected as "not approved for government use."
I've already talked about how my first year there I got paid a relatively good salary mostly to stand at a photocopy matching and hand photo-copy both sides of the paperwork because of a government mandate to "save paper" that required both sides to be used, and the early1970s photocopier (in 1991) couldn't do both sides at once.
So they "saved money" using both sides of the paper, by paying me a reasonably good salary by the hour to hand copy them.
Government spending at its finest!
Does it really matter if the mix is related to genetics or group social behavior like in Cincinnati. If the left stub their toe it’s Trumps fault.
I'm a CICS sysprog yes I can still COBOL.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
I was the same and wrote some cool legacy programs in Cobol, CobolII, PL/1, Fortran,SAS,RAMIS,EIS and in early '90s switched to DBA role with relational databases
Sometimes I think of all the time to and from energy I spent learning and becoming a expert in all those skills just to have it go wasted when younger people do not think they can learn anything from their elders.
That may be why history repeats itself.
I do not regret my path, but sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I chose a different path.
I guess that is the point in the poem The Road Not Taken
The Road Not Taken by Robert Frost
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves, no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
I love a whole house fan. I had one in a house in my childhood. I put one in my second house but after that in the early 90s have not had one. In Austin, in the sixties, we did not have AC but I didnt seem to mind when the fan was on.
It probably was healthier
mzkitty
I give up.
Jerusalem/Israel:
So they won't let you into the hospital but they're gonna drag you out of your house?
24 seconds:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1PcxcVhRE&feature=emb_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1PcxcVhRE&feature=emb_title
So they won't let you into the hospital but they're gonna drag you out of your house?
24 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1PcxcVhRE&feature=emb_title
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Because Mom was just taking the kids out for a ride to see the baby chicks and did not intend to buy anything there, and was the 200th mom to do so. And it was OPEN.
mzkitty
I give up.
Don't try to second guess yourself. I look back on my life too sometimes, but you can't feel bad.
It was what it was and that's all there is to it.
I suspected this was coming. Forcibly testing and removing people from their property and homes will be neither "safe nor dignified" for anyone involved. This isn't China. Welding a door shut here won't happen, at least not by the first welder. They'll run out of welders before I run out of ammo...
Maybe Israelis will tolerate it, but I doubt it.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
That is a VERY interesting observation Dozdoats. Kudos.
As a matter of fact, If I am not misremembering something I read probably 30 or more years ago...
Those (Blacks)
with sickle cell TRAIT, are much much LESS likely to contract MALARIA.
Isn't the medicine they want to give Covid-19 patients a Malaria medication??
You might be on to something.
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ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
Actually, in my opinion, I would feel I was doing a disservice to my kids if the only thing they knew about Easter was "the Easter Bunny." Especially in times like now when death is walking the world, claiming moms, dads, grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, friends, neighbors, teachers,and classmates. Kids know about death, but do they know God holds out eternal life and heaven through Jesus Christ to them to ease their fears?Just in from the Prime Minister of Ireland - a message for the children of Ireland (who at least one parent said are now greatly relieved) - I'm posting this here to put a smile on everyone's face if only for a moment...
Easter Bunnies and baskets are fun, the kids should get them, but NOT as a trade off, not INSTEAD OF ETERNAL LIFE AND THE HOPE AND COMFORT OF GOD'S LOVE.
SSTemplar
Veteran Member
A perfect example of fear porn as you can
Perhaps but he is not making money off of his suggestions. You have to decide if he is correct on your own.
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
For the families who aren’t happy with the official on-line schooling: there are other options, lots of them. We have people on here who are home-schooling, who can make recommendations, and it doesn’t have to be expensive at all.
Kathleen
Kathleen
Hfcomms
EN66iq
I could care less about the mans politics left, right or middle. He has been in his position for years thru many different Presidents. The question we need to concern ourselves with is he giving sound medical advice to the President and the virus team or not? It appears that he does and he is not standing alone but has Dr. Birx and several others as well offering advice.
Yes, if you totally follow his advice you’ll crush the economy but that isn’t his wheelhouse. He and others give the best medical advice and others weigh in on the economic and financial advice and Trump & Pence have to try to craft a policy to chart a path thru the minefield. Do I trust Fauchi’s politics? Heck no! He is a brilliant doctor and As long as his medical advice is sound that is all that matters.
From a contamination avoidance and mitigation strategy his advice is well reasoned with the exception of downplaying the need for average people to source personal PPE but I understand that he wants medical workers to have primary access until we have enough. The one I don’t trust is that dope of a Sturgeon General. That guy is a piece of work and not sure if he wasn’t an affirmative action appointment but I’ll save that for another day.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
J
Most recently touched it a little for my Y2K project that I ran at Lexis Nexis. I'll do it for $750,000.Same here but last COBOL program I wrote was in 1989. Might consider doing it again for $1 million a year.
Now if its IBM Mainframe Assembler you're needing, I got 20 years of that under my belt. Bring it.
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