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Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Well, this is interesting, but not surprising. There’s a rising sense of irritation and frustration on social media coming from mothers who aren’t happy having to work from home and be full-time parents, too. I saw this post on Facebook, with a full chorus of agreements in the comments. I find it kind of ironic and a little sad. I know it can’t be easy having to sit at a computer and work all day while the kids are home. But I would also think that there’d be an attitude of gratitude to not be one of those who has to go out and work in a hospital or retail store each day. Not to mention the pleasure of spending more time with the kids.

But people are finding themselves having to do all the parenting, rather than leaving some of it up to the schools or daycare or whatever. And they just can’t cope. Makes me shake my head and think of my grandparents or great grandparents who worked their butts off on the farm with chores each day and no modern conveniences while still raising several kids.

This current generation has lost their toughness and resiliency.

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ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
The SARS pandemic
SARS originated in China in 2002. It's thought that a strain of the coronavirus usually only found in small mammals mutated, enabling it to infect humans.

The SARS infection quickly spread from China to other Asian countries. There were also a small number of cases in several other countries, including 4 in the UK, plus a significant outbreak in Toronto, Canada.

The SARS pandemic was eventually brought under control in July 2003, following a policy of isolating people suspected of having the condition and screening all passengers travelling by air from affected countries for signs of the infection.

During the period of infection, there were 8,098 reported cases of SARS and 774 deaths. This means the virus killed about 1 in 10 people who were infected. People over the age of 65 were particularly at risk, with over half of those who died from the infection being in this age group.

In 2004 there was another smaller SARS outbreak linked to a medical laboratory in China. It was thought to have been the result of someone coming into direct contact with a sample of the SARS virus, rather than being caused by animal-to-human or human-to-human transmission.
That is when I discovered the Curcumin in Turmeric and that it could STOP A CYTOKINE STORM.
A doctor under quarantine (whom I took to be the head doctor) daily wrote a BLOG to the outside world, and one day said "my staff as well as the patients are dying daily, If I just had something that would stop a cytokine storm (or cascade) I could save them.)"

THAT grabbed me and I did nothing, nothing at all hardly, even slept the least I could and spent the next ten days or so reading EVERY .gov, and .edu and .org research report that contained the words "cytokine cascade" or "cytokine storm". On the last day I found a report having nothing to do with SARS or any disease pertinent to the good doctor's dilemma, and the comment about curcumin stopping a cytokine cascade was not written as a discovery but more as a curiosity having nothing to do with the object of their study!!!
It did not even get a mention in the "CONCLUSIONS" segment of the research report because it was just a curious observation having nothing to do with what they were trying to find!
After I got the name of the substance that would stop a cytokine cascade, CURCUMIN, I used Curcumin as the search word and redid the whole laboratory research reports investigation.
That was far easier. Very little research had been done on Curcumin back then, that only took me a day or two. But everything that had been learned was incredible, held enormous promise to benefit mankind and made me wonder WHY MORE RESEARCH had not been done.
That's when I started loudly sharing all the benefits I had learned from those and subsequent years of more research on Curcumin, from Turmeric, known and listed by the World Health Organization as a POWERFUL, NATURAL, ANTI-INFLAMMATORY.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Actually, in my opinion, I would feel I was doing a disservice to my kids if the only thing they knew about Easter was "the Easter Bunny." Especially in times like now when death is walking the world, claiming moms, dads, grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, friends, neighbors, teachers,and classmates. Kids know about death, but do they know God holds out eternal life and heaven through Jesus Christ to them to ease their fears?
Easter Bunnies and baskets are fun, the kids should get them, but NOT as a trade off, not INSTEAD OF ETERNAL LIFE AND THE HOPE AND COMFORT OF GOD'S LOVE.
This is not a comment pro or con anyone's religion, but sometimes especially in times of on-going darkness and disaster, it is a good idea to lighten up just a little bit.

Over here, the Easter Bunny brings each child a few chocolate eggs, years ago it was about the only candy many children saw along with an orange and one toy at Christmas (our former housemate's made the two boys choose ONE gift between them but their Dad was an older father, he's like 96 now so grew up in the Ireland of the 1930s).
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
A perfect example of fear porn as you can
No SSTemplar, that was not my intention. I was overwhelmed last night and have decided as of now I'm not disclosing any more information. People are just going to have to decide which path they choose to go down. It looks like the board has split and anything I have to say would start a shit storm. I like the conversations I have on this board and I don't want to get banned by engaging in unpleasant discourse. I really can't turn to my family members and express my concerns too much for fear of causing undo stress. Our family has possibly come in contact, we shall soon see. As a head of household, I must remain calm, steady and in control. I wish all well on here, doubters and all.

Our politicians have no solution so they are finger pointing and accusing. We still have a mission on this thread, enlightenment. Let us engage in that to the betterment of the membership. Good luck out there and Godspeed.
 

homepark

Resist
naegling62, if you have information that can save lives, reconsider. I have heard from front line medical staff that this virus is nothing to trifle with. They are frustrated in that all they can do is alleviate symptoms. The virus does what it does and they work at keeping the patient comfortable. I have been urged to isolate as much as possible.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
Every day, my hypothesis is reinforced...

I hope everyone here is, at least, considering the implications and acting accordingly...
Please explain more of your theory. If you've already done so, point me to it. I have thought that pneumonia associated with CV19 is secondary. I've thought for some time that it has something to do with a blood issue. To me, that makes far more sense. Please elaborate on what you think are the implications and what our actions should be. I'm going to dive into this for a while today especially that dr Martenson is now espousing this concept. I also sent you the link you asked for.
 

rlm1966

Veteran Member
No SSTemplar, that was not my intention. I was overwhelmed last night and have decided as of now I'm not disclosing any more information. People are just going to have to decide which path they choose to go down. It looks like the board has split and anything I have to say would start a shit storm. I like the conversations I have on this board and I don't want to get banned by engaging in unpleasant discourse. I really can't turn to my family members and express my concerns too much for fear of causing undo stress. Our family has possibly come in contact, we shall soon see. As a head of household, I must remain calm, steady and in control. I wish all well on here, doubters and all.

Our politicians have no solution so they are finger pointing and accusing. We still have a mission on this thread, enlightenment. Let us engage in that to the betterment of the membership. Good luck out there and Godspeed.
Not to pick on anyone but this comes off like a politician in that I know something but I can't/won't share it. If you want to share bring it up, if you don't then never mention it. Anything else looks like a I know something you don't which I am sure was not your intention.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
So woke up and headline I see about halfway down the drudge page is that 51 people who had this and recovered now have it again...we are so screwed. It “reactivated” in the patients. Still trying to wrap my head around how that can happen.
I'm hearing this more and more. Many are beginning to think that you don't "get it again" but that you never really get rid of it. That would explain why a malaria drug might work -- you never really get rid of malaria either. It might be that recovery from CV19 is simply a pushing down of the affects and not a complete ridding of the disease. When condition are right, the SARS-Cov-2 virus reactivates.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
No SSTemplar, that was not my intention. I was overwhelmed last night and have decided as of now I'm not disclosing any more information. People are just going to have to decide which path they choose to go down. It looks like the board has split and anything I have to say would start a shit storm. I like the conversations I have on this board and I don't want to get banned by engaging in unpleasant discourse. I really can't turn to my family members and express my concerns too much for fear of causing undo stress. Our family has possibly come in contact, we shall soon see. As a head of household, I must remain calm, steady and in control. I wish all well on here, doubters and all.

Our politicians have no solution so they are finger pointing and accusing. We still have a mission on this thread, enlightenment. Let us engage in that to the betterment of the membership. Good luck out there and Godspeed.

You're own words:

"We still have a mission on this thread, enlightenment."

Amen, brother. Keep up the good work. Prayers for you and your family.

By the way, I have this annoying personal habit I developed during a 35 year stint in a profession filled with meetings. Administrators and colleagues had these little snide ways of commenting to persuade dissenters to quiet down and go with the flow...

Whenever that technique was directed toward me, I'd take out my soapbox and really start to pontificate. I'd usually start with a rhetorical question. For example,

"So, you think that was doom porn?"

Then, I'd take a big breath in order to supply the landslide of words that were about to be loosened. Polite words. Always polite, but in the words of Tom Petty:

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo
 

parsonswife

Veteran Member
No SSTemplar, that was not my intention. I was overwhelmed last night and have decided as of now I'm not disclosing any more information. People are just going to have to decide which path they choose to go down. It looks like the board has split and anything I have to say would start a shit storm. I like the conversations I have on this board and I don't want to get banned by engaging in unpleasant discourse. I really can't turn to my family members and express my concerns too much for fear of causing undo stress. Our family has possibly come in contact, we shall soon see. As a head of household, I must remain calm, steady and in control. I wish all well on here, doubters and all.

Our politicians have no solution so they are finger pointing and accusing. We still have a mission on this thread, enlightenment. Let us engage in that to the betterment of the membership. Good luck out there and Godspeed.
Dear naegling 62 a would please give an indication of the paths we have a choice of. Evan one word hints would be helpful........xyz vs abc
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I for one support anyone who wants to provide information here or in the Bomb Shelter, it may not always turn out to be correct in the long run but then a lot of times things are going to be different in different places and/or affect some people different from others and those observations are both interesting and valid.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I just came across this, which I found highly interesting, and check who's paying for it too.

Clues to COVID-19 coronavirus's vulnerability emerge from an antibody against SARS
Likely site of vulnerability on SARS-CoV-2 virus determined
Date: April 3, 2020 Source: Scripps Research Institute Summary: An antibody recovered from a survivor of the SARS epidemic in the early 2000s has revealed a potential vulnerability of the new coronavirus at the root of COVID-19.

An antibody (named CR3002 ) recovered from a survivor of the SARS epidemic in the early 2000s has revealed a potential vulnerability of the new coronavirus at the root of COVID-19, according to a study from scientists at Scripps Research.

The study, published today in Science, is the first to map a human antibody's interaction with the new coronavirus at near-atomic-scale resolution. Although the antibody was produced in response to an infection of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome), which is caused by the SARS-CoV virus, it cross-reacts with the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2.
The structural mapping revealed a nearly identical site on both coronaviruses to which the antibody binds, suggesting a functionally important and vulnerable site for this family of coronaviruses.
"The knowledge of conserved sites like this can aid in structure-based design of vaccines and therapeutics against SARS-CoV-2, and these would also protect against other coronaviruses -- including those that may emerge in the future," says the study's senior author Ian Wilson, DPhil, Hansen Professor of Structural Biology and Chair of the Department of Integrative Structural and Computational Biology at Scripps Research.
SARS-CoV, which causes SARS, originated in horseshoe bats, but jumped to humans in South China in 2002, eventually infecting more than 8,000 people and killing almost 800 before it was quelled by lockdowns, quarantines and other measures.
SARS-CoV-2, a closely related coronavirus that causes COVID-19, first emerged in the Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019. Much more infectious than its viral cousin, it has led to a pandemic, causing far more cases of illness and fatalities than SARS. The development of a vaccine or even an effective treatment could significantly ameliorate the crisis.

The Wilson lab is known for its pioneering structural studies of antibodies bound to viruses including HIV and influenza. These studies have been used to inform designs of vaccines and antibody drugs, as well as other therapeutics. Along with hundreds of other labs around the world, Wilson's team is now focused on SARS-CoV-2.
"Our ultimate goal here is to obtain structural information on antibodies and their binding sites, and use that to guide SARS-CoV-2 vaccine design, just as our lab has done with influenza and HIV," says the study's co-first author Nicholas Wu, PhD, a postdoctoral research associate in the Wilson lab.
The new study centers on an anti-SARS-CoV antibody called CR3022 that was originally isolated in 2006 by the pharmaceutical company Crucell Holland B.V. in the Netherlands. A report from Chinese scientists earlier this year indicated that CR3022 cross-reacts against SARS-CoV-2.

Wilson's team used their structural mapping expertise to determine how the antibody binds to SARS-CoV-2.
A key finding is that the antibody's binding site is highly similar between the two coronaviruses -- differing by just four protein building blocks called amino-acids. That high degree of similarity implies that the site has an important function that would be lost if it mutated significantly.
Yet, the site's function remains mysterious.
The Scripps Research analysis found that the antibody binding site is relatively remote from the part of the virus that grabs hold of cell-surface protein receptors in preparation for penetrating cells in our lungs. That suggests that, at least for SARS-CoV, CR3002 neutralizes the virus's ability to infect cells in some indirect way.

Adding to the mystery is the finding that the antibody binding site on these viruses is not normally accessible to antibodies.
"We found that this region is usually hidden inside the virus, and only exposed when that part of the virus changes its structure, as it would in natural infection," says co-first author Meng Yuan, PhD, also a research associate in the Wilson lab.
Despite the slightness of difference between the two coronaviruses, the antibody binds much less tightly to SARS-CoV-2 than it does to the SARS virus, and cannot neutralize SARS-CoV-2 in lab dish tests as it does SARS-CoV.
Still, the findings suggest
that the binding site for this antibody on SARS-CoV-2 is a site of vulnerability, and that antibodies binding it more tightly would plausibly succeed in neutralizing the virus. Such neutralizing antibodies, if developed into therapies, could be used to treat COVID-19 patients and to provide temporary protection from the virus to uninfected individuals, for example healthcare workers.
The fact that this binding site is highly conserved between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 also hints that there may be antibodies, still to be discovered, that can effectively neutralize both viruses -- and perhaps in the same way, can neutralize future emergent coronaviruses before they can cause pandemics.
Labs at Scripps Research and throughout the world are currently seeking antibodies, via blood donations, from people who have recovered from for further studies along these lines.

Support was provided in part by the National Institutes of Health (K99 AI139445) and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (OPP1170236).
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
No SSTemplar, that was not my intention. I was overwhelmed last night and have decided as of now I'm not disclosing any more information. People are just going to have to decide which path they choose to go down. It looks like the board has split and anything I have to say would start a shit storm. I like the conversations I have on this board and I don't want to get banned by engaging in unpleasant discourse. I really can't turn to my family members and express my concerns too much for fear of causing undo stress. Our family has possibly come in contact, we shall soon see. As a head of household, I must remain calm, steady and in control. I wish all well on here, doubters and all.

Our politicians have no solution so they are finger pointing and accusing. We still have a mission on this thread, enlightenment. Let us engage in that to the betterment of the membership. Good luck out there and Godspeed.

Many here understand your dilemma...

Let's try this abbreviated version:

1. Covid-19 is a deadly virus to many it encounters​
2. There is no treatment other than supportive, and that doesn't even work for the most part​
3. Many will die and take health care workers along with them​
4. Life will permanently change for all here in the US (and world) no matter what we do from this point forward​
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
For those following Clif High and/or the subject of Vitamin C as relates to SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19. Much interesting info including implications for making Lipo-C...

"Stop ARDS(Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) Now with Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV53h7MCu9I&feature=youtu.be

P.S. Jay interviewed Clif not long ago, and is continuing the topic.
 
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Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
I talked with my Dr. friend again tonight, it was a long conversation.
Yes, as others have asked, please do share. You may be saving lives. We know that hearing this stuff is difficult and takes time to adjust to. That does not diminish it's import. It's easier to make correct decisions from high quality info than from an absence of it (or from lies).
 
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TorahTips

Membership Revoked
I could care less about the mans politics left, right or middle. He has been in his position for years thru many different Presidents. The question we need to concern ourselves with is he giving sound medical advice to the President and the virus team or not? It appears that he does and he is not standing alone but has Dr. Birx and several others as well offering advice.

Yes, if you totally follow his advice you’ll crush the economy but that isn’t his wheelhouse. He and others give the best medical advice and others weigh in on the economic and financial advice and Trump & Pence have to try to craft a policy to chart a path thru the minefield. Do I trust Fauchi’s politics? Heck no! He is a brilliant doctor and As long as his medical advice is sound that is all that matters.

From a contamination avoidance and mitigation strategy his advice is well reasoned with the exception of downplaying the need for average people to source personal PPE but I understand that he wants medical workers to have primary access until we have enough. The one I don’t trust is that dope of a Sturgeon General. That guy is a piece of work and not sure if he wasn’t an affirmative action appointment but I’ll save that for another day.
In most cases these days, people seem to be making decisions based on what "team" someone is on. Because Fauci has been seen with democrats and they are republicans they discount his medical knowledge in spite of the fact that he has an impeccable record for decades and is a nationally-recognized expert in this exact field. They would rather trust someone whose former occupation was that of a reality teevee star when it comes to medical issues because he is a republican. I do understand that Fauci has "made the rounds" with both parties, but consider the position that he has held for decades. It comes with the job. What other nationally-recognized disease expert has declared that Fauci is full of beans?

I'm waiting....
 

Gizmom

Contributing Member
Do we still have any cobol programmers left in TB2K?? Please help.

Unfortunately, very few of those jobs will go to Americans. By now every Indian bodyshop that has seen this article has started writing their proposal for how their "experts" can replace the mainframe application.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
Dr. John Campbell (the Brit) mentioned airing out the house, whenever the winter weather allowed, two or three weeks ago. Then he got more caught up with the country numbers, and I haven't heard him say it since. He is a credible source.


i started doing that as soon as they started the shutdowns. just about every day we air out the house.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Please explain more of your theory. If you've already done so, point me to it. I have thought that pneumonia associated with CV19 is secondary. I've thought for some time that it has something to do with a blood issue. To me, that makes far more sense. Please elaborate on what you think are the implications and what our actions should be. I'm going to dive into this for a while today especially that dr Martenson is now espousing this concept. I also sent you the link you asked for.
Correct, from what we have seen here. It has been recommended that people get the ppsv pneumonia vaccine, because bacterial pneumonia is a very opportunistic player ready to jump in from the sidelines when one is dealing with what the virus is doing in the lungs
 
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hunybee

Veteran Member
I wonder the reasoning behind that?


i am told by employees that work at menards and farm stores that they have started doing this because they are the only things that are open right now, so large groups of kids come in (either with an adult that walks around the store) or by themselves, and just "hang out" there. they go through the store and play with the toys if they have toys. they go through every section just wandering and hanging out. lots of times, they cause trouble because they are bored. this is why. they also want to cut down on the amount of people not needed in the stores. they don't want little kids there also because kids are germ factories and they touch EVERYTHING, and their parents let them. so many stores are doing this because people are jerks and they think that going to walmart or the farm stores is the only place open, so it is now the defacto gathering place for entertainment.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Unfortunately, very few of those jobs will go to Americans. By now every Indian bodyshop that has seen this article has started writing their proposal for how their "experts" can replace the mainframe application.
Yes, there are Indians who speak Cobol, assembler, and CICS. Probably JCL as well.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Correct, from what we have seen here. It has been recommended that people get the ppsv pneumonia vaccine, because bacterial pneumonia is a very opportunistic player ready to jump in from the sidelines when one is dealing with whatcthe virus is doing in the lungs

Good call!

Note that there are -two- vaccines. I already had the PPSV23 last year.

Doing my own research in January, I leaned that there also was a PCV13 vaccine. Interestingly I discovered that one can get better protection by taking both vaccines. The shots must be separated by a year however.

My pulmonologist was impressed that I was aware of that and agreed to give me the second shot.
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Pneumococcal Vaccination
Pronounced (noo-muh-KOK-uhl)

Vaccines help prevent pneumococcal disease, which is any type of illness caused by Streptococcus pneumoniae bacteria. There are two kinds of pneumococcal vaccines available in the United States:
  • Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine or PCV13
  • Pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine or PPSV23
CDC recommends PCV13 for all children younger than 2 years old and people 2 years or older with certain medical conditions. Adults 65 years or older also can discuss and decide, with their clinician, to get PCV13.
CDC recommends PPSV23 for all adults 65 years or older, people 2 through 64 years old with certain medical conditions, and adults 19 through 64 years old who smoke cigarettes.
Talk with your or your child’s clinician if you have questions about pneumococcal vaccines.

 

BassMan

Veteran Member
I’m probably way off but Chloroquine is a synthetic form of quinine. Quinine is/was used to treat malaria. Quinine is what is in tonic water. Would drinking tonic water if you get sick help at all?

In my limited reading on this very topic (read: Google searches), the amount of Quinine now in tonic water is so low as to not be of medicinal value.

Hopefully others can chime in...
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
Yes, as others have asked, please do share. You may be saving lives. We know that hearing this stuff is difficult and takes time to adjust to. That does not diminish it's import.
Currently, I don't have any information that will save lives other than what we already know collectively on the board. I'm not good at promoting doom nor do I want to be. I will most definitely post anything that is helpful, but at the moment it is just divisive and negative of which it will just incite finger pointing.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
naegling62, if you have information that can save lives, reconsider. I have heard from front line medical staff that this virus is nothing to trifle with. They are frustrated in that all they can do is alleviate symptoms. The virus does what it does and they work at keeping the patient comfortable. I have been urged to isolate as much as possible.
That is a very good summation of the stage we're in now.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
Many here understand your dilemma...

Let's try this abbreviated version:

1. Covid-19 is a deadly virus to many it encounters​
2. There is no treatment other than supportive, and that doesn't even work for the most part​
3. Many will die and take health care workers along with them​
4. Life will permanently change for all here in the US (and world) no matter what we do from this point forward​
That is a sticky if there ever was one! Good show mate!
 
More than 5,400 coronavirus patients have died in New York

State of New York

State of New York

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said at least 5,489 people across the state have died from coronavirus — that's up from 4,758 yesterday

"That is the largest single day increase," he said.
There are 138,836 total cases in the state.
Cuomo broke down the number of deaths each day over the past few days:
  • April 2: 562
  • April 3: 630
  • April 4: 594
  • April 5: 599
  • April 6: 731
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Richard

TB Fanatic
I vote for Listerine Original Mouthwash to mitigate the symptoms of colds and flu. I have used it for years and it got rid of any signs of cold and flu infection. I also have yearly flu jabs and a lifetime Pneumonia jab, whether these work or not I don't really know.
Apart from the latest fiasco I have managed to get through most winters with only minor affects of colds and flu.

Trouble is they have discontinued the production of the Original mouthwash and the other versions are only good for cleaning the teeth and cleansing the breath.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
Dear naegling 62 a would please give an indication of the paths we have a choice of. Evan one word hints would be helpful........xyz vs abc
I'm beginning to worry about the futility of it all. I just pray God spare my family this cup of woe. We are the first generation to grow up in the security of modern medicine. For the most part we only suffer in the 1st world from lifestyle diseases. Times have changed, possibly forever.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Many here understand your dilemma...

Let's try this abbreviated version:

1. Covid-19 is a deadly virus to many it encounters​
2. There is no treatment other than supportive, and that doesn't even work for the most part​
3. Many will die and take health care workers along with them​
4. Life will permanently change for all here in the US (and world) no matter what we do from this point forward​


I’m sure there is probably nothing new that hasn’t been discussed before and nobodies outcome is going to be changed by badgering him for this new tidbit. Those among us that know how bad this thing really is aren’t going to be alarmed and those that think it’s overblown or a plot against Trump aren’t going to be swayed either. Like with many things just about everyone here has their minds pretty well made up. The one thing unarguable is that everyone is going to walk thru the aftermath despite the nuances.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
FYI: Another article discouraging the use of ibuprofen vis-a-vis COVID-19. There is more re alternatives on the web page.

Disclaimer: These folks are Traditional Chinese Medicine focused, and sell products along those lines.



Safety Alert: Ibuprofen May NOT Be Safe to Use for Pain Relief During COVID-19 Outbreak

*Disclaimer: The information in this article is our best opinion on the current research on COVID-19. It is NOT medical advice or intended in any way to be a substitute for medical advice. The information provided is not intended to treat, diagnose, cure or prevent any condition or disease including corona virus (COVID-19). This is merely a presentation of our own research and we could be WRONG. Please do not discontinue any prescribed medications without the express direction of you medical doctor. Please use extreme caution when assessing info about this virus and please consult your licensed medical providers for treatment options. This article has not been validated or reviewed by the FDA.*
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A warning was recently issued by the government of France via Olivier Veran, the French Health Minister: COVID-19 infected patients should NOT take nonsteroidal anti-infammatory drugs (NSAIDS) such as Advil and ibuprofen. Based on their experience, they believed that NSAID usage may increase the virulence of COVID-19 infections, making them much worse.(1) He went as far as to state that “NSAIDS should be banned.”

Although the U.S. National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases has stated that “more research is needed to evaluate reports that ibuprofen and other over-the-counter anti-inflammatory drugs may affect the course of COVID-19,” there are two serious scientific reasons to err on the side of caution and steer clear of NSAID use during this coronavirus outbreak.(2)

Scientific reason #1: Ibuprofen May Increase Amount of ACE2 Receptors
COVID-19 has been shown to use an receptor known as Angiotensin-Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE2) to enter the cell and replicate.(3) Lab studies have shown that ibuprofen may boost the amount of ACE2 receptors the virus uses to infect cells, thus making the virus spread faster.

Dr. Carlos Del Rio, professor of medicine and global health in the division of infectious disease at Emory University stated in a Review COVID-19 Update on Early Safety Signals Around Ibuprofen and Renin-Angiotensin Inhibitors that, “medications which up-regulate ACE may lead to worsening and bad outcomes...this medication may include ibuprofen as well as ACE inhibitors and angiotensin blockers.” Dr. Del Rio also mentioned that the WHO had alerted the medical community “to avoid ibuprofen in suspected or confirmed cases of COVID-19…” (4). The WHO has since adopted a more neutral position citing the need for further research, but we believe erring on the side of caution is more prudent in this situation.

Dr. Del Rio further noted that the ACE2 receptor, through which the virus actually enters the cells, is present in large numbers in the lung cells. As we have explained in our previous article, the Prevotella bacteria that the COVID-19 virus is infecting is also present in the largest quantities in the lungs.

Studies have shown that the use of ibuprofen (NSAIDS) INCREASES the amount of Prevotella in the microbiome(5). Please read our latest article, to understand the critical link between the abundance of Prevotella in the microbiome and the potential virulence of the COVID-19 virus.


Scientific Reason #2: Ibuprofen May Dampen the Immune Response
A doctor from the National Health Services (NHS), Dr. Amir Khan, explained the potential harm that may be cause by the use of ibuprofen, stating that:

“We need these inflammatory chemicals to help tackle the virus in the medium to long term. It is the effectiveness of these chemicals that decides whether a person develops complications from the coronavirus or makes a full recovery. If we take medicines that dampen this immune response, such as ibuprofen, this can lead to us not fighting off the infection as effectively, potentially leading to a longer illness with a higher risk of complications.” (6)
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
I vote for Listerine Original Mouthwash to mitigate the symptoms of colds and flu. I have used it for years and it got rid of any signs of cold and flu infection. I also have yearly flu jabs and a lifetime Pneumonia jab, whether these work or not I don't really know.
Apart from the latest fiasco I have managed to get through most winters with only minor affects of colds and flu.

Trouble is they have discontinued the production of the Original mouthwash and the other versions are only good for cleaning the teeth and cleansing the breath.
It would be real interesting to see how many hard core alcoholics are affected by this virus.
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
Since very few people nationwide have been tested, how can they say their models were way off? Yes the virus is real, but curiously, there are those such as Nasty Pee that seem unconcerned. Doesn't that make anyone suspicious?

I cannot believe the amount of lying and data juggling the fed gov is up to. I am sick of the whole bunch and believe nothing they say. It appears the demonic left who are married to the CCP have made their big move to have their NWO complete with chipping and most likely killing all who test positive.

These tests are very suspect and can be used to GIVE you the virus. Telling hospital staff to not wear masks, PPE shortages. Lying about social distancing, not telling the public to protect their eyes. These (^%$%# want this to spread, it is their cover for the "take over".

DJT is being led into the NWO. The looting of America and her people is occurring now unimpeded and as you should know, that is the last act of a rogue gov before the take over. Sorry for the rant but page after page of mayors, governors press conferences is not gonna fix the problem. The problem is we are at WAR, we need to accept that fact and act accordingly!
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
I'm beginning to worry about the futility of it all.
It takes time to work through the staggering implications. It's a huge internal adjustment. I am convinced that our old way of life has completely died, and we are just watching the sequence of events unfold that must. We lived a lie for so long.

Be of good cheer after you have processed enough. Then take the best actions you can, be a strength to others, and let the rest be the rest.
 

NoMoreLibs

Kill Commie's, Every Single One Of Them!
Got our new CEO report this morning.

Our cases are NOT growing exponentially. We expect to peak in a week or two. MSM's numbers for peak infections are 'NYC Bias' - so calling out the BS.
 
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