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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
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Why Europe SHOULD FEAR the Coming Arab Spring 2.0
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Very grim global outlook. Inevitable food shortages.

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Sheesh... Like things aren't bad enough... And, look at the examples that we do have from Muslims. Attacking police, attacking healthcare workers, not giving a damn about social distancing or trying to slow this down, at all. The jihad will go on and all else... Insh'allah...
 

zookeeper9

Senior Member
I was at my local Walmart last night. They have set up the one way in, one way out. I was speaking with the door greeter. They have also begun to limit the number of people in the store. As of last night, it is limited to 621 total, and that includes all the employees and managers, but he said they feel it even that is too high and will probably be lowering the number soon.

He also told me they have instituted a policy where only 1 child under the age of 16 can go into the store with an adult. I wonder how that will work out for a single parent who has no one to leave children with if he/she has to run out to the store.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
If you did not read this, please read carefully for it is informative and logical.

An excerpt from the article.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

This is logical and reasonable with what the extreme ill are experiencing and dying due to oxygen starvation.

Has any one seen any other information concerning the iron ion removal from hemoglobin resulting in the problems being experienced across the world.

Texican....
A potential relationship with 5G and oxygen starvation. Wuhan has 5G cell phone service. A little out there, but who knows.

There is definitely something to people dying from oxygen starvation from the CCP Virus and who knows about 5G.

Texican....
 

Siskiyoumom

Veteran Member
I recently listened to an er md podcast on the subject He said the survival rate for vents is only 11%. After piecing together info from different sources, I’m starting to think that much of the vent discussion is misdirection, though not necessarily intentional.
We are thankful that a dear friend of our family made it into the 11 percent. Eight days in an induced coma and successfully weaned off the vent two days ago. He is now in a step down unit instead of the ICU. Mid thirties male. Got COVID while in Italy, came back to the states before Italy hit the news channels as a place not to be.
 

jward

passin' thru
Probably has a lot to do with southern cooking. As an aside, what the hell kind of sig picture is that for a news person?
obesity may be a bigger, no pun intended, factor than we're currently viewing it. As to her pic, you're the one who wanted to die with teeny boppers at your feet: can't shape the society and then complain 'bout the shape society is in :p
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
This article brought images of yellow stars and Kristallnacht to mind. There has been an uptick in the amount of woo on the board. There usually is when things start to go sideways. I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't woo? If this is something much more dangerous than a pandemic?
A new empire will emerge from this.. New economy, new wars, new systems of surveillance, new leaders, new... saviours...

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jward

passin' thru
Ok, after all I’ve read in this thread and elsewhere over the last 2-1/2 months, THIS is giving me chills. Why?
Um, I think, for me at least, it is because no matter how easily we take this "new normal" into stride- there are at least a dozen times a day when reality sneaks in and we realize "oh crud!" We're living in a friggin revelations' level
zombie-postman-esque-copolypse! ... but their ain't no hills to run for LOL :rdog:
 

marsh

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sorry if this was already posted.

I believe this coronavirus was bio-engineered and had nothing to do with this market.

But we all know yearly flu comes from China - nasty place. This has cost the world $$ billions in vaccines/research/etc and millions of lives. I'd like to see all travel from China prohibited until they stop this animal crap. But I know that will never happen.




In a move that shocked the world to its core, China reopened the very wet markets that launched the worst pandemic in more than a half-century.

Health researchers have traced COVID-19 to the grossly unsanitary Wuhan, China, wet markets where animals are killed and butchered in front of customers. Blood and feces spill into the streets. Health experts long warned China that the despicable and unmonitored health conditions were a ticking time bomb.

“The animal welfare part of this is obvious, but much more hidden is this stashing and mixing of all these species together in a very small area, with secretions and urine mixed up together,” Wildlife Conservation Society director Christian Walzer reportedly said.

According to reports by National Geographic, China permits upwards of 54 different species to be bred on a single farm. Exotic animals include ostriches, Siamese crocodiles, minks, birds of prey, bats, and civets. Scientists believe infected bats and civets transmitted the virus to humans. Despite these infectious disease facts, China’s wet markets are reportedly peddling exotic flesh again.

“The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus,” according to a Daily Mail news correspondent. “The only difference is that security guards try to stop anyone taking pictures, which would never have happened before.”
Perhaps now that we know how to wash our hands and wear masks when we are sick, our annual flu season won't be as bad as before.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Veteran Member
We are thankful that a dear friend of our family made it into the 11 percent. Eight days in an induced coma and successfully weaned off the vent two days ago. He is now in a step down unit instead of the ICU. Mid thirties male. Got COVID while in Italy, came back to the states before Italy hit the news channels as a place not to be.
Someone on a virtual group I'm with from Ohio has had a 65 y.o Get off a ventilator and recover this week, so it does happen. He had been on the prayer list.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
BAM!

I'm telling you... THIS explains everything!

- The type of drugs able to put it into remission
- "Re-infections" are relapses
- The over the top lockdowns. Welding doors shut to keep infected from leaving. China destroying their economy and quarantining hundreds of millions of citizens for what was, at the time, 1000 infections. Grounding flights, roadblocks, checkpoints, etc.
- China denying help from other countries medical experts and kicking out U.S. reporters

They KNEW that if it got out, everyone that caught it will keep it until it kills them. And, messing around with a virus like that in a lab is not something you tell other countries about and ask for help.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
look at the examples that we do have from Muslims. Attacking police, attacking healthcare workers, not giving a damn about social distancing or trying to slow this down, at all. The jihad will go on and all else... Insh'allah...
Their science is 7th-century. They don't know what germs are. Their religion explicitly prohibits considering cause and effect. Whatever happens is what Allah wills, not the result of any action. Do the math.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Apologies if this has already been posted.
Not endorsing, just throwing it out there.

I'd gotten a fair stock of Ivermectin (for worms & bots in horses)
for years earlier SARS pandemic fears on dr recommendation.


Snippet from above;

BREAKTHROUGH? Single dose of common agricultural drug Ivermectin found to “essentially eliminate all viral material” of COVID-19 coronavirus within 48 hours

The abstract of the study describes the very strong potential of Ivermectin to inhibit viral replication in vitro. This was not a human clinical trial, of course, but the results make Ivermectin an immediate candidate for further study:

We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 hours post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ?5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.

Ivermectin is well known to exhibit strong anti-viral properties and is even documented to inhibit HIV replication. This is important to note, since the Wuhan coronavirus, an engineered biological weapon, uses HIV components as part of its infection and replication machinery. As described in the abstract:

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent that in recent years we, along with other groups, have shown to have anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses in vitro. Originally identified as an inhibitor of interaction between the human immunodeficiency virus-1 (HIV-1) integrase protein (IN) and the importin (IMP) ?/?1 heterodimer responsible for IN nuclear import, Ivermectin has since been confirmed to inhibit IN nuclear import and HIV-1 replication.

According to the published study, Ivermectin is known to inhibit the replication of:

  • Simian virus (SV40), which was placed into polio vaccines for many years in the United States.
  • Dengue virus (DENV)
  • West Nile Virus
  • Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus (VEEV)
  • Influenza
  • Pseudorabies virus (PRV)
“Essentially all viral material” was gone within 48 hours
Study authors describe how a single dose of Ivermectin achieved a 93% reduction of viral RNA was achieved within just 24 hours, with “essentially all viral material” gone in 48 hours.

At 24 h, there was a 93% reduction in viral RNA present in the supernatant (indicative of released virions) of samples treated with ivermectin compared to the vehicle DMSO. Similarly a 99.8% reduction in cell-associated viral RNA (indicative of unreleased and unpackaged virions) was observed with ivermectin treatment. By 48h this effect increased to an ?5000-fold reduction of viral RNA in ivermectin-treated compared to control samples, indicating that ivermectin treatment resulted in the effective loss of essentially all viral material by 48 h.
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Charts, links to research, and more at link above.

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I have not yet seen in all these articles what the dosage is?
 
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naegling62

Veteran Member
I talked with my Dr. friend again tonight, it was a long conversation. You know when you think it would be great to have access to someone in the know? Well, with that comes great difficulty in dealing with such stark reality of bearing the knowledge.

I don't want to go into the information tonight. It is with a heavy heart that I know such, for I myself have a wife, 5 children, 1 grandchild and a elderly mother that must endure what is coming. For you that make light of this virus situation, take heed, you are misled. To all those who understand the severity, take heed and hold fast to your convictions.
 

jward

passin' thru
Oh come on. EVERYONE wants to die surrounded by throngs of worshipping teeny-boppers. It's just that few of us are willing to own up to it.
OMG not me! Had no use for teens when I was one- tho unfortunately at my age "older men" well... may have to settle for "younger" if I continue to insist on "breathing" LOL
 

Normallguy

"just a human bein'"
I have been out of it the past week and in no way can catch up. With the planet either.
I'm not asking for any summary. I just wonder if anyone has received a Stimulus checks or D.D.
Now on to the fishing expedition... out of the safety of port into the SEAS of TB2K.
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Thanks,
Jeff
 

marsh

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
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Apr 5 · 8 min read


In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.

Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:

1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story.

Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others.

Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
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Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT).

BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.
Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:
  1. Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
  2. Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
  3. Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.
  4. Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.
Fini.

Could the high Vit C treatment help because it facilitates a lower PH (acid system)?
 

Esto Perpetua

Contributing Member
I’m probably way off but Chloroquine is a synthetic form of quinine. Quinine is/was used to treat malaria. Quinine is what is in tonic water. Would drinking tonic water if you get sick help at all?
I think this was discussed earlier. The amount of quinine in modern tonic water isn't much-you'd have to drink an impossible amount to have a real dose of quinine. The old time tonic water was kind of nasty tasting and gin made it taste better. Gin can be kind of nasty too. Haha.

But a lot of people swear by drinking tonic water for leg cramps. I actually like the taste and I can drink a lot of it just plain no gin(I don't drink)when it's hot.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
BAM!

I'm telling you... THIS explains everything!

- The type of drugs able to put it into remission
- "Re-infections" are relapses
- The over the top lockdowns. Welding doors shut to keep infected from leaving. China destroying their economy and quarantining hundreds of millions of citizens for what was, at the time, 1000 infections. Grounding flights, roadblocks, checkpoints, etc.
- China denying help from other countries medical experts and kicking out U.S. reporters

They KNEW that if it got out, everyone that caught it will keep it until it kills them. And, messing around with a virus like that in a lab is not something you tell other countries about and ask for help.
Today China posted that they had no new CV cases.

I don't post sh*t.

:)
 

Masterchief117

I'm all about the doom
If you did not read this, please read carefully for it is informative and logical.

An excerpt from the article.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

This is logical and reasonable with what the extreme ill are experiencing and dying due to oxygen starvation.

Has any one seen any other information concerning the iron ion removal from hemoglobin resulting in the problems being experienced across the world.

Texican....
I wonder if chelation therapy would work by binding up excess iron ions?
 

blindhog

Senior Member
I talked with my Dr. friend again tonight, it was a long conversation. You know when you think it would be great to have access to someone in the know? Well, with that comes great difficulty in dealing with such stark reality of bearing the knowledge.

I don't want to go into the information tonight. It is with a heavy heart that I know such, for I myself have a wife, 5 children, 1 grandchild and a elderly mother that must endure what is coming. For you that make light of this virus situation, take heed, you are misled. To all those who understand the severity, take heed and hold fast to your convictions.
Do tell!!
 

Pinecone

Veteran Member
I have been out of it the past week and in no way can catch up. With the planet either.
I'm not asking for any summary. I just wonder if anyone has received a Stimulus checks or D.D.
Now on to the fishing expedition... out of the safety of port into the SEAS of TB2K.
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Thanks,
Jeff
No, to the question about the stimulus checks or D.D. whatever that is, but welcome back. I hope your brought your life preserver. We're in deep water and the storm is upon us.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I’m probably way off but Chloroquine is a synthetic form of quinine. Quinine is/was used to treat malaria. Quinine is what is in tonic water. Would drinking tonic water if you get sick help at all?
It helped the British during the war... Look up the military history of gin and tonics.

Only problem is today's tonic water has very little quinine in it.

To prevent malaria, you'd need between 500-1,000 milligrams of quinine, but consuming an entire liter of tonic water today would only get you about 83-87 milligrams. Quinine alone isn't even an effective treatment for the disease anymore, as malarial parasites have grown resistant to the drug.
 
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