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naturallysweet

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Oregon had two more die today, 29 in total, as well as 64 new cases, up to 1138 or so. We are now entering the lethal phase. 606 to 1138 is also 100% increase since monday and 29 dead up from 16 is also near 100 % a week.

5 of the last 9 people who died in Oregon ,died at home. Oregon has a policy of no testing till very sick and no hospitalization until one can't breath. This is why Brown sent the ventilators away. She has no intention of saving Oregonians.
People go from feeling bad to not breathing fast. Keeping very sick people with underlining health conditions at home, is a death sentence for many.

Stay at home. You may not have a medical system to care for you, if you get sick.
 

Doomer Doug

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Dow explodes, closing more than 1,600 points higher on Monday as investors hope for eventual end to pandemic isolation.
View: https://twitter.com/jsolomonReports/status/1247271669531582466?s=20
This shows the near total level of economic anarchy in the global markets. I am buying gold, high premiums or not. The market apparently thinks the inbound helicopters full of federales fiat dollars will have no impact. Somebody made some moola today, and somebody got crushed. As for me, I PREPARED.
 

xtreme_right

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DUDE. I read all this today. This is FUBAR. I get this strange feeling, death by thousand cuts. I was in rayles this am and over the loud speaker, like a ride at Disney Land, "Due to Covid19 please keep six feet distance" eerie. Most people I talk to think all is going to be better and everything will be normal again. I don't see it. Things are never going to be the same.

YES! I’ve been in stores with the same, creepy instructions. I feel like I’m stuck in a post-apocalyptic movie. Everyone around me seems unconcerned, like cattle.
 

Tristan

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It is understood Johnson was moved to the intensive care unit just short of an hour and a half ago.
The decision was made by his medical team after his condition worsened over the course of Monday. The prime minister is understood to be conscious and to have been moved as a precaution in case he needs ventilation.

UK prime minister placed in intensive care
The UK prime minister, Boris Johnson, has been moved to an intensive care unit after his condition worsened, Downing Street has said. A No 10 spokesman said:

Since Sunday evening, the prime minister has been under the care of doctors at St Thomas’ Hospital, in London, after being admitted with persistent symptoms of coronavirus.

Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the prime minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the intensive care unit at the hospital.

The PM has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary.

The PM is receiving excellent care, and thanks all NHS staff for their hard work and dedication.


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Just damn.
 

Doomer Doug

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5 of the last 9 people who died in Oregon ,died at home. Oregon has a policy of no testing till very sick and no hospitalization until one can't breath. This is why Brown sent the ventilators away. She has no intention of saving Oregonians.
People go from feeling bad to not breathing fast. Keeping very sick people with underlining health conditions at home, is a death sentence for many.

Stay at home. You may not have a medical system to care for you, if you get sick.
She and worthless wheeler are setting up the rural areas to be at the mercy of what are really death panels. She is hoarding stuff for her supporters in the Wilmette valley. Trump supporters will be left to rot.
 

Tristan

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Apologies if this has already been posted.
Not endorsing, just throwing it out there.

I'd gotten a fair stock of Ivermectin (for worms & bots in horses)
for years earlier SARS pandemic fears on dr recommendation.


Snippet from above;

BREAKTHROUGH? Single dose of common agricultural drug Ivermectin found to “essentially eliminate all viral material” of COVID-19 coronavirus within 48 hours

The abstract of the study describes the very strong potential of Ivermectin to inhibit viral replication in vitro. This was not a human clinical trial, of course, but the results make Ivermectin an immediate candidate for further study:

We report here that Ivermectin, an FDA-approved anti-parasitic previously shown to have broad-spectrum anti-viral activity in vitro, is an inhibitor of the causative virus (SARS-CoV-2), with a single addition to Vero-hSLAM cells 2 hours post infection with SARS-CoV-2 able to effect ?5000-fold reduction in viral RNA at 48 h. Ivermectin therefore warrants further investigation for possible benefits in humans.

Ivermectin is well known to exhibit strong anti-viral properties and is even documented to inhibit HIV replication. This is important to note, since the Wuhan coronavirus, an engineered biological weapon, uses HIV components as part of its infection and replication machinery. As described in the abstract:

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent that in recent years we, along with other groups, have shown to have anti-viral activity against a broad range of viruses in vitro. Originally identified as an inhibitor of interaction between the human immunodeficiency virus-1 (HIV-1) integrase protein (IN) and the importin (IMP) ?/?1 heterodimer responsible for IN nuclear import, Ivermectin has since been confirmed to inhibit IN nuclear import and HIV-1 replication.

According to the published study, Ivermectin is known to inhibit the replication of:

  • Simian virus (SV40), which was placed into polio vaccines for many years in the United States.
  • Dengue virus (DENV)
  • West Nile Virus
  • Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus (VEEV)
  • Influenza
  • Pseudorabies virus (PRV)
“Essentially all viral material” was gone within 48 hours
Study authors describe how a single dose of Ivermectin achieved a 93% reduction of viral RNA was achieved within just 24 hours, with “essentially all viral material” gone in 48 hours.

At 24 h, there was a 93% reduction in viral RNA present in the supernatant (indicative of released virions) of samples treated with ivermectin compared to the vehicle DMSO. Similarly a 99.8% reduction in cell-associated viral RNA (indicative of unreleased and unpackaged virions) was observed with ivermectin treatment. By 48h this effect increased to an ?5000-fold reduction of viral RNA in ivermectin-treated compared to control samples, indicating that ivermectin treatment resulted in the effective loss of essentially all viral material by 48 h.
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It is a hopeful sign, but in vitro does not always translate into in vivo.

But I certainly hope that it does in this case, and if so, is accepted by the 'Authorities'.

 

marsh

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Coronavirus Pandemic Update 50: Dip in Daily New Deaths; Research on Natural Killer Cells & COVID-19
•Apr 6, 2020


MedCram - Medical Lectures Explained CLEARLY

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update 50 with Roger Seheult, MD of https://www.MedCram.com There has been a drop in the number of daily new COVID-19 cases and deaths in the United States and globally - could it be the start of a trend? Dr. Seheult discusses research on the key role of natural killer cells in coronavirus infection and how interventions prior to hospitalization are critical. This video was recorded on April 6, 2020. Links referenced in this video: Johns Hopkins Tracker - https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/ap... Worldometer - https://www.worldometers.info/coronav... KUOW Newsroom - https://www.kuow.org/stories/seattle-... https://journals.physiology.org/doi/f...
 

Ragnarok

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Sunrise, Florida: Cars Line up for Miles at Food Bank as Demand Surges by 600 Percent and Half a Million Residents File for Unemployment

Dramatic images from South Florida on Monday show a long line of cars backed up bumper to bumper on a roadway while motorists wait hours to get food from a food bank.

A drone captured aerial shots of vehicles waiting in line in Sunrise, Florida, just northwest of Fort Lauderdale, on Monday.

The motorists were waiting to receive food from Feeding South Florida, a food bank that relies on donations to feed the poor.

Feeding South Florida has seen a 600 per cent increase in the number of people asking for food as millions have been laid off due to the coronavirus outbreak.

Floridians lined up to receive produce ranging from milk, chicken, apples, tomatoes, cantaloupes, and eggs.

According to the Miami Herald, food banks like Feeding South Florida and others have a glut of fresh produce to give away.

An aerial view from a drone shows vehicles lineup to receive food provided by the food bank Feeding South Florida in Sunrise, Florida, on Monday


Feeding South Florida has seen a 600 per cent increase in the those asking for food aid as people, some of whom have lost jobs, need to make ends meet during the coronavirus pandemic


The groceries being given away included milk, chicken, apples, tomatoes, cantaloupe as well as Easter eggs


According to the Miami Herald, food banks like Feeding South Florida and others have a glut of fresh produce to give away.

That’s because the coronavirus outbreak has forced governments to shut down the hospitality industry, which includes restaurants, hotels, airlines, cruise ships, school cafeterias, and other businesses that serve food to customers.

That means farmers who rely on these businesses to buy their crops have an excess of perishable food and nothing to do with it.

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Food that isn’t donated to food banks is simply thrown away or turned into mulch as there is no set mechanism to efficiently redistribute the excess produce to those in need.

‘The volume is at a level we’ve never seen before,’ said Stephen Shelley, president and CEO of Farm Share.

‘It is overwhelming the system.’

Farm Share distributes food every day through partnerships with food pantries, churches, school, and other nonprofits.

The organization has dozens of drop sites throughout Florida. It is running at maximum capacity using every one of its 25 refrigerated trucks and six warehouses to get food to those who need it.

Feeding South Florida said it welcomes the excess donations. It is operating at a pace to deliver 2.5 million meals a week to hungry Floridians.

‘We absolutely can handle it,’ said Sari Vatske, executive vice president of Feeding South Florida.

‘We can’t get it in and out fast enough.’

Vatske said that while the number of people asking for food has increased six-fold, the number of staff has been cut by three-fourths as people are adhering to stay-at-home orders.

‘The math is not on our side,’ Vatske said.

More than 520,000 Floridians have applied for unemployment since March 15, compared to 326,000 in all of last year.

State statistics show that as of Monday, almost 13,000 people have been diagnosed with the disease and 235 have died since the outbreak began being tracked a month ago.

About 1,600 people are hospitalized in the state.

More than 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits at the end of last month - doubling a record high set just one week earlier - a sign that layoffs are accelerating in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak.

Combined with last week’s report that 3.3 million people sought unemployment aid three weeks ago, the US economy has now suffered nearly 10 million layoffs in just the past few weeks — far exceeding the figure for any corresponding period on record.

The stunning report issued last Thursday by the Labor Department showed that job cuts are mounting against the backdrop of economies in the United States and abroad that have almost certainly sunk into a severe recession as businesses have shut down across the world.

'This kind of upending of the labor market in such a short time is unheard of,' said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute, a progressive think tank.

The sight of long rows of cars waiting outside food banks has become more frequent since the pandemic has made its impact on the United States.

On Thursday, hundreds of motorists waited hours to collect food from a food bank in Orlando, a city that has seen a surge in unemployment after the town's famous theme parks were forced to close its doors to the coronavirus outbreak.

Last Monday, motorists were forced to wait on a mile-long line for a drive-up emergency food distribution set up in Pittsburgh to meet social distancing requirements due to the coronavirus outbreak.

The Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank in Duquesne, Pennsylvania, had only 1500 food boxes as local police set up portable toilets every 3/10ths of a mile to handle the large crowds who showed up.

The food bank, which is about 10 miles outside Pittsburgh and serves 11 counties in southwestern Pennsylvania, is considered an essential facility during containment efforts underway to slow the spread of the deadly flu-like virus, also known as COVID-19.


Miles-long row of cars waits near Florida food bank as demand surges
 
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Mixin

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11 dead after COVID-19 outbreak at Madison County nursing home; governor orders tighter retail rules
Posted: Apr 6, 2020 / 12:02 PM EDT / Updated: Apr 6, 2020 / 04:22 PM EDT

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind.– Indiana Gov. Eric Holcomb and health officials made several announcements Monday regarding the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on Indiana.

Starting at midnight, retail businesses must now operate like bars and restaurants, meaning only curbside, carryout and online order/delivery can be offered. This does not apply to grocery stores and pharmacies.

Retail stores that provide essential items must limit the number of customers in the store at a time, adjust hours to accommodate vulnerable groups and limit hours for cleaning and restocking.

An outbreak at Bethany Pointe nursing home in Madison County has resulted in 11 deaths, Dr. Kristina Box announced. Three employees are hospitalized.

“These are a grandparents, parents, friends, church family, individuals that we care about and want to protect. Please help us do that,” said Box.

Box said there are enough intensive care beds and ventilators right now to handle the expected surge in patients, though staffing may be a problem. The strategic national stockpile provided enough personal protective equipment for the next 13 days if used in a very conservative manner. Donations will be needed.

The governor also ordered all state campgrounds to close, including Indiana State Park campgrounds. An exception can be made for someone whose primary residence is on a campground. State parks will remain open. DNR says people can still go to the parks and use the trails, but can’t camp overnight.

On Friday, the governor announced the state’s stay-at-home order will continue through April 20 at 11:59 p.m. He also said Indiana’s public health emergency will continue through May 3. Monday’s executive order solidified those updates.

The day before, he said Indiana schools will remain closed and focused on remote learning through the end of the school year.

Monday morning, the Indiana State Department of Health reported a total of 139 coronavirus deaths, 4,944 total cases and 26,191 people tested. The ISDH is tracking cases daily on its website.

The governor has been holding daily briefings via video conferencing and encouraging Hoosiers to engage in social distancing to slow the spread of the coronavirus.


Snip from another almost identical story:
"The state is helping to transfer residents there without COVID-19 symptoms to another skilled nursing home, Box said."

If I had a loved one in a nursing home and they were transferring untested elderly into it, I would be livid.
 

Tristan

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I wonder if Boris Johnson arranged for the broadcast of the Queen's speech last night because he knew his condition was not improving? There had been talk on twitter that it had been planned for Easter...

More information on current British government operations from the Daily Mail:


Speaking tonight after the PM was moved to intensive care, Mr Raab insisted that 'government business will continue' and said there is a fantastic 'team spirit' among ministers.

He also reassured that the premier was 'receiving excellent care' and thanked the NHS medics who were treating him and other patients across Britain.

Mr Raab's role as first secretary of state - the second most senior cabinet minister after the PM - means he is primed to take charge of the government's coronavirus response at this critical period as cases approach the peak.

Following the PM's hospitalisation last night on the advice of his doctor, Mr Raab had already stepped up to chair this morning's daily meeting of top officials steering the nation through the health crisis.

And at this afternoon's Downing Street press briefing, he confirmed a further 439 coronavirus deaths, taking the toll to 5,373, while the number of patients rose by 3,802 to 51,608.

Mr Johnson was still in charge during this press conference, but his symptoms spiralled and he required oxygen, prompting the move to critical care, according to Sky News.

Health experts tonight appeared unanimous in their view that the PM's admission to intensive care means he is 'extremely sick'...

Downing Street sources confirmed Mr Johnson is not yet on a ventilator, although medical experts forecast this course of action is 'very likely'.

Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London, said: 'As often happens with COVID-19, his condition has now deteriorated so he has been admitted to intensive care where he is very likely to have been put on a mechanical ventilator to breath for him.'

He added: 'One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group.

'Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick.'


Yet world leaders and politicians around the globe rallied around Mr Johnson, who received well wishers from David Cameron, Emmanuel Macron and Ivanka Trump.

The Queen has also been kept informed by Downing Street about Prime Minister Boris Johnson's condition, Buckingham Palace said.

On a day where the nation was sending the PM its support:
  • Humiliated Nicola Sturgeon has admitted the effort to combat coronavirus has been damaged after she was forced to accept the resignation of Scotland's chief medical officer for flouting her own lockdown rules;
  • Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty is out of self-isolation and has been working after recovering from coronavirus;
  • Worrying figures showed the UK's coronavirus epidemic was set to overtake that suffered by France and Italy;
  • Health Secretary Matt Hancock threatened to revoke the right to exercise outdoors if people continued to flout social distancing measures;
  • The Prime Minister's spokesperson confirmed that sunbathing in public is not allowed and flouts rules allowing only essential movement;
  • Top scientists said it would take at least a month for the UK to develop antibody tests that could be rolled out widely to check who has had the virus already;
  • A report by the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre has found that ethnic minority people are at a greater risk of becoming seriously ill with the coronavirus;
  • A 54-year-old from Essex became the first midwife to die with coronavirus in England.


I'm sorry to hear of Boris' plight.

I'm wondering if they are giving any of the *quines, or just standard supportive care.

It's becoming apparent to me that by the time you need a vent, the opportunity for the *quines is passing or past... Borne out from reports from the front lines that the intensive care specialists weren't seeing any miraculous changes in patient condition or any change at all.
 

OldArcher

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Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
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Apr 5 · 8 min read


In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.

Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:

1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story.

Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others.

Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
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Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT).

BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.
Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:
  1. Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
  2. Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
  3. Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.
  4. Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.
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THIS Explains why the AI was able to predict with 80% Accuracy who is going to go down hard and end up on a ventilator even though this clearly not the best thing. 2 of those 3 indicators, the hemoglobin and the liver enzyme ALT, are discussed in detail here. This really cleared things up ;magnificent post.
 
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inskanoot

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That is excellent. They say the longer you are on a vent the less likely you are to ever come off. They also say only 33% of those who go on a vent survive. Thankfully, he was one of the lucky ones.


I recently listened to an er md podcast on the subject He said the survival rate for vents is only 11%. After piecing together info from different sources, I’m starting to think that much of the vent discussion is misdirection, though not necessarily intentional.
 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
In the Clif High video earlier today he mentioned that this virus lived in the bats for life. That it was always with them and constantly probing for a weakness. When they get old or injured and stop producing Vitamin C then the virus takes over and they die. FWIW but there might be something to it. I sure hope not.

He’s promoting vitamin C & chaga mushrooms.
 

Doomer Doug

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Sunrise, Florida: Cars Line up for Miles at Food Bank as Demand Surges by 600 Percent and Half a MIllion Residents File for Unemployment

Dramatic images from South Florida on Monday show a long line of cars backed up bumper to bumper on a roadway while motorists wait hours to get food from a food bank.

A drone captured aerial shots of vehicles waiting in line in Sunrise, Florida, just northwest of Fort Lauderdale, on Monday.

The motorists were waiting to receive food from Feeding South Florida, a food bank that relies on donations to feed the poor.

Feeding South Florida has seen a 600 per cent increase in the number of people asking for food as millions have been laid off due to the coronavirus outbreak.

Floridians lined up to receive produce ranging from milk, chicken, apples, tomatoes, cantaloupes, and eggs.

According to the Miami Herald, food banks like Feeding South Florida and others have a glut of fresh produce to give away.

An aerial view from a drone shows vehicles lineup to receive food provided by the food bank Feeding South Florida in Sunrise, Florida, on Monday


Feeding South Florida has seen a 600 per cent increase in the those asking for food aid as people, some of whom have lost jobs, need to make ends meet during the coronavirus pandemic


The groceries being given away included milk, chicken, apples, tomatoes, cantaloupe as well as Easter eggs


According to the Miami Herald, food banks like Feeding South Florida and others have a glut of fresh produce to give away.

That’s because the coronavirus outbreak has forced governments to shut down the hospitality industry, which includes restaurants, hotels, airlines, cruise ships, school cafeterias, and other businesses that serve food to customers.

That means farmers who rely on these businesses to buy their crops have an excess of perishable food and nothing to do with it.

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( Ragnarok: I don't think BOUNCE is a viable option for a mask... )

Food that isn’t donated to food banks is simply thrown away or turned into mulch as there is no set mechanism to efficiently redistribute the excess produce to those in need.

‘The volume is at a level we’ve never seen before,’ said Stephen Shelley, president and CEO of Farm Share.

‘It is overwhelming the system.’

Farm Share distributes food every day through partnerships with food pantries, churches, school, and other nonprofits.

The organization has dozens of drop sites throughout Florida. It is running at maximum capacity using every one of its 25 refrigerated trucks and six warehouses to get food to those who need it.

Feeding South Florida said it welcomes the excess donations. It is operating at a pace to deliver 2.5 million meals a week to hungry Floridians.

‘We absolutely can handle it,’ said Sari Vatske, executive vice president of Feeding South Florida.

‘We can’t get it in and out fast enough.’

Vatske said that while the number of people asking for food has increased six-fold, the number of staff has been cut by three-fourths as people are adhering to stay-at-home orders.

‘The math is not on our side,’ Vatske said.

More than 520,000 Floridians have applied for unemployment since March 15, compared to 326,000 in all of last year.

State statistics show that as of Monday, almost 13,000 people have been diagnosed with the disease and 235 have died since the outbreak began being tracked a month ago.

About 1,600 people are hospitalized in the state.

More than 6.6 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits at the end of last month - doubling a record high set just one week earlier - a sign that layoffs are accelerating in the midst of the coronavirus outbreak.

Combined with last week’s report that 3.3 million people sought unemployment aid three weeks ago, the US economy has now suffered nearly 10 million layoffs in just the past few weeks — far exceeding the figure for any corresponding period on record.

The stunning report issued last Thursday by the Labor Department showed that job cuts are mounting against the backdrop of economies in the United States and abroad that have almost certainly sunk into a severe recession as businesses have shut down across the world.

'This kind of upending of the labor market in such a short time is unheard of,' said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute, a progressive think tank.

The sight of long rows of cars waiting outside food banks has become more frequent since the pandemic has made its impact on the United States.

On Thursday, hundreds of motorists waited hours to collect food from a food bank in Orlando, a city that has seen a surge in unemployment after the town's famous theme parks were forced to close its doors to the coronavirus outbreak.

Last Monday, motorists were forced to wait on a mile-long line for a drive-up emergency food distribution set up in Pittsburgh to meet social distancing requirements due to the coronavirus outbreak.

The Greater Pittsburgh Food Bank in Duquesne, Pennsylvania, had only 1500 food boxes as local police set up portable toilets every 3/10ths of a mile to handle the large crowds who showed up.

The food bank, which is about 10 miles outside Pittsburgh and serves 11 counties in southwestern Pennsylvania, is considered an essential facility during containment efforts underway to slow the spread of the deadly flu-like virus, also known as COVID-19.


Miles-long row of cars waits near Florida food bank as demand surges
It won't be long now before the riots start, and not just in the predator classes either. "They" better have the $1200 checks in people's hands/bank accounts by the end of this month or else. So far the food stamp system is working fine. I have had it confirmed the homeless and their support food systems are under intense strain, food banks 2 to 4 weeks away from zeroing out and nobody giving them a penny as the usual liberal morons are, for maybe the first time in their cushy government, education system, Non profit lives not working or not getting paid, so no $400,000 cushy mercy corps CEO for much longer. Property taxes will collapse in the fall, just like the mortgages will.
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
Are we also seeing an "out" for projections for the damage/death of this disease that may be seriously wrong? If Americans are "doing what they are supposed to," that will be the reason for the lower death totals. They have the heads I win, tails you lose mentality. I smell a rat here. But, maybe my nose is out of joint.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpSlDHD9IyM&fbclid=IwAR1iSPuSoYTSDpK8RYYq8JIYFbZerVzJzZMib2YV9FCE1OoszHZ5AU2B9i0
.57 min
Unified Command Center
•Apr 6, 2020


Maricopa County, AZ
(My very good friend, Rob Rowley, gives us a peak at what a County Emergency Operations Center looks like and explains "Unified Command" between agencies. The County EOC is operating under the "Incident Command" and NIMS (National Incident Management System.) Under the Stafford Act, the EOC/Public Health have activated their county emergency plan for pandemics, (updated as necessary) and will do implementation planning for incident response. They will ascertain the needs of partners and coordinate with the state for specific unmet needs. The state is working with FEMA to meet needs that it is unable to meet.)
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
libertymavenstock

Apr 5 · 8 min read


In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of patients who get seriously ill. It’s not only piling up but now leading to a general field-level consensus backed up by a few previously little-known studies that we’ve had it all wrong the whole time. Well, a few had some things eerily correct (cough Trump cough), especially with Hydroxychloroquine with Azithromicin, but we’ll get to that in a minute.

There is no ‘pneumonia’ nor ARDS. At least not the ARDS with established treatment protocols and procedures we’re familiar with. Ventilators are not only the wrong solution, but high pressure intubation can actually wind up causing more damage than without, not to mention complications from tracheal scarring and ulcers given the duration of intubation often required… They may still have a use in the immediate future for patients too far to bring back with this newfound knowledge, but moving forward a new treatment protocol needs to be established so we stop treating patients for the wrong disease.

Here’s the breakdown of the whole process, including some ELI5-level cliff notes. Much has been simplified just to keep it digestible and layman-friendly.

Your red blood cells carry oxygen from your lungs to all your organs and the rest of your body. Red blood cells can do this thanks to hemoglobin, which is a protein consisting of four “hemes”. Hemes have a special kind of iron ion, which is normally quite toxic in its free form, locked away in its center with a porphyrin acting as it’s ‘container’. In this way, the iron ion can be ‘caged’ and carried around safely by the hemoglobin, but used to bind to oxygen when it gets to your lungs.

When the red blood cell gets to the alveoli, or the little sacs in your lungs where all the gas exchange happens, that special little iron ion can flip between FE2+ and FE3+ states with electron exchange and bond to some oxygen, then it goes off on its little merry way to deliver o2 elsewhere.

Here’s where COVID-19 comes in. Its glycoproteins bond to the heme, and in doing so that special and toxic oxidative iron ion is “disassociated” (released). It’s basically let out of the cage and now freely roaming around on its own. This is bad for two reasons:

1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE. Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story.

Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion. The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

2) That little iron ion, along with millions of its friends released from other hemes, are now floating through your blood freely. As I mentioned before, this type of iron ion is highly reactive and causes oxidative damage. It turns out that this happens to a limited extent naturally in our bodies and we have cleanup & defense mechanisms to keep the balance. The lungs, in particular, have 3 primary defenses to maintain “iron homeostasis”, 2 of which are in the alveoli, those little sacs in your lungs we talked about earlier. The first of the two are little macrophages that roam around and scavenge up any free radicals like this oxidative iron. The second is a lining on the walls (called the epithelial surface) which has a thin layer of fluid packed with high levels of antioxidant molecules.. things like abscorbic acid (AKA Vitamin C) among others.

Well, this is usually good enough for naturally occurring rogue iron ions but with COVID-19 running rampant your body is now basically like a progressive state letting out all the prisoners out of the prisons… it’s just too much iron and it begins to overwhelm your lungs’ countermeasures, and thus begins the process of pulmonary oxidative stress. This leads to damage and inflammation, which leads to all that nasty stuff and damage you see in CT scans of COVID-19 patient lungs. Ever noticed how it’s always bilateral? (both lungs at the same time) Pneumonia rarely ever does that, but COVID-19 does… EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
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Once your body is now running out of control, with all your oxygen trucks running around without any freight, and tons of this toxic form of iron floating around in your bloodstream, other defenses kick in. While your lungs are busy with all this oxidative stress they can’t handle, and your organs are being starved of o2 without their constant stream of deliveries from red blood cell’s hemoglobin, and your liver is attempting to do its best to remove the iron and store it in its ‘iron vault’. Only its getting overwhelmed too. It’s starved for oxygen and fighting a losing battle from all your hemoglobin letting its iron free, and starts crying out “help, I’m taking damage!” by releasing an enzyme called alanine aminotransferase (ALT).

BOOM, there is your second of 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.
Eventually, if the patient’s immune system doesn’t fight off the virus in time before their blood oxygen saturation drops too low, ventilator or no ventilator, organs start shutting down. No fuel, no work. The only way to even try to keep them going is max oxygen, even a hyperbaric chamber if one is available on 100% oxygen at multiple atmospheres of pressure, just to give what’s left of their functioning hemoglobin a chance to carry enough o2 to the organs and keep them alive. Yeah we don’t have nearly enough of those chambers, so some fresh red blood cells with normal hemoglobin in the form of a transfusion will have to do.

The core point being, treating patients with the iron ions stripped from their hemoglobin (rendering it abnormally nonfunctional) with ventilator intubation is futile, unless you’re just hoping the patient’s immune system will work its magic in time. The root of the illness needs to be addressed.

Best case scenario? Treatment regimen early, before symptoms progress too far. Hydroxychloroquine (more on that in a minute, I promise) with Azithromicin has shown fantastic, albeit critics keep mentioning ‘anecdotal’ to describe the mountain, promise and I’ll explain why it does so well next. But forget straight-up plasma with antibodies, that might work early but if the patient is too far gone they’ll need more. They’ll need all the blood: antibodies and red blood cells. No help in sending over a detachment of ammunition to a soldier already unconscious and bleeding out on the battlefield, you need to send that ammo along with some hemoglobin-stimulant-magic so that he can wake up and fire those shots at the enemy.

The story with Hydroxychloroquine
All that hilariously misguided and counterproductive criticism the media piled on chloroquine (purely for political reasons) as a viable treatment will now go down as the biggest Fake News blunder to rule them all. The media actively engaged their activism to fight ‘bad orange man’ at the cost of thousands of lives. Shame on them.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

No longer can the media and armchair pseudo-physicians sit in their little ivory towers, proclaiming “DUR so stoopid, malaria is bacteria, COVID-19 is virus, anti-bacteria drug no work on virus!”. They never got the memo that a drug doesn’t need to directly act on the pathogen to be effective. Sometimes it’s enough just to stop it from doing what it does to hemoglobin, regardless of the means it uses to do so.

Anyway, enough of the rant. What’s the end result here? First, the ventilator emergency needs to be re-examined. If you’re putting a patient on a ventilator because they’re going into a coma and need mechanical breathing to stay alive, okay we get it. Give ’em time for their immune systems to pull through. But if they’re conscious, alert, compliant — keep them on O2. Max it if you have to. If you HAVE to inevitably ventilate, do it at low pressure but max O2. Don’t tear up their lungs with max PEEP, you’re doing more harm to the patient because you’re treating the wrong disease.
Ideally, some form of treatment needs to happen to:
  1. Inhibit viral growth and replication. Here plays CHQ+ZPAK+ZINC or other retroviral therapies being studies. Less virus, less hemoglobin losing its iron, less severity and damage.
  2. Therapies used for anyone with abnormal hemoglobin or malfunctioning red blood cells. Blood transfusions. Whatever, I don’t know the full breadth and scope because I’m not a physician. But think along those lines, and treat the real disease. If you’re thinking about giving them plasma with antibodies, maybe if they’re already in bad shape think again and give them BLOOD with antibodies, or at least blood followed by plasma with antibodies.
  3. Now that we know more about how this virus works and affects our bodies, a whole range of options should open up.
  4. Don’t trust China. China is ASSHOE. (disclaimer: not talking about the people, just talking about the regime). They covered this up and have caused all kinds of death and carnage, both literal and economic. The ripples of this pandemic will be felt for decades.
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If you did not read this, please read carefully for it is informative and logical.

An excerpt from the article.

How does chloroquine work? Same way as it does for malaria. You see, malaria is this little parasite that enters the red blood cells and starts eating hemoglobin as its food source. The reason chloroquine works for malaria is the same reason it works for COVID-19 — while not fully understood, it is suspected to bind to DNA and interfere with the ability to work magic on hemoglobin. The same mechanism that stops malaria from getting its hands on hemoglobin and gobbling it up seems to do the same to COVID-19 (essentially little snippets of DNA in an envelope) from binding to it. On top of that, Hydroxychloroquine (an advanced descendant of regular old chloroquine) lowers the pH which can interfere with the replication of the virus. Again, while the full details are not known, the entire premise of this potentially ‘game changing’ treatment is to prevent hemoglobin from being interfered with, whether due to malaria or COVID-19.

This is logical and reasonable with what the extreme ill are experiencing and dying due to oxygen starvation.

Has any one seen any other information concerning the iron ion removal from hemoglobin resulting in the problems being experienced across the world.

Texican....
 
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marsh

On TB every waking moment

Americans: This will be ‘hardest and saddest week’ of your lives, US top doctor says
NATIONAL
by: By JIM MUSTIAN and FRANCES D'EMILIO, The Associated Press
Posted: Apr 6, 2020 / 04:06 AM PDT / Updated: Apr 6, 2020 / 04:06 AM PDT

NEW YORK (AP) — Americans braced for what the nation’s top doctor warned Sunday would be “the hardest and saddest week” of their lives while Britain assumed the unwelcome mantle of deadliest coronavirus hot spot in Europe after a record 24-hour jump in deaths that surpassed even hard-hit Italy’s.

Britain’s own prime minister, Boris Johnson, was hospitalized, 10 days after testing positive for COVID-19 in what his office described as a “precautionary step.”

Amid the dire news, there were also glimmers of hope some hard-hit areas — the number of people dying appeared to be slowing in New York City, Spain and Italy. The news was cautiously welcomed by leaders, who also noted that any gains could easily be reversed if people did not continue to adhere to strict lockdowns.

U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams offered a stark warning about the expected wave of virus deaths.

“This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11 moment,” he told “Fox News Sunday.”

But President Donald Trump later suggested the hard weeks ahead could foretell the turning of a corner. “We’re starting to see light at the end of the tunnel,” Trump said at an evening White House briefing.

In New York City, the U.S. epicenter of the pandemic, daily deaths dropped slightly, along with intensive care admissions and the number of patients who needed breathing tubes inserted, but New York state Gov. Andrew Cuomo warned it was “too early to tell” the significance of those numbers.

Italy and Spain also got some encouraging news. Italy registered its lowest day-to-day increase in deaths in more than two weeks — 525, said Angelo Borrelli, the head of the national Civil Protection agency. The pace of infection also seemed to be slowing.

Even so, Borrelli warned, “This good news shouldn’t make us drop our guard.”
Confirmed infections fell in Spain, too, and new deaths declined for the third straight day, dropping to 674 — the first time daily deaths have fallen below 800 in the past week.

The outlook, however, was bleak in Britain, which reported more than 600 deaths Sunday, surpassing Italy’s increase. Italy still has, by far, the world’s highest coronavirus death toll — almost 16,000.

In a rare televised address, Queen Elizabeth II appealed to Britons to rise the occasion, while acknowledging enormous disruptions, grief and financial difficulties.

“I hope in the years to come, everyone will be able to take pride in how they responded to this challenge,” she said. “And those who come after us will say that the Britons of this generation were as strong as any.”

Johnson, meanwhile, has been hospitalized, though his office said it was not an emergency and that the 55-year-old Conservative will undergo tests.

There are concerns that Johnson’s government did not take the virus seriously enough at first and that spring weather will tempt Britons and others to break social distancing rules.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the U.K. might even ban outdoor exercise if people still ’’flout the rules.″

“The vast majority of people are following the public health advice, which is absolutely critical, and staying at home,” Hancock told Sky TV. “But there are a small minority of people who are still not doing that — it’s quite unbelievable, frankly, to see that.”

As the numbers of infections rose, Saffron Cordery, the deputy head of Britain’s National Health Service Providers, said the agency needed to focus on quickly increasing ventilator capacity and getting more protective equipment for health care workers.

Italians have not been immune to lure of the good weather, either. Top Italian officials took to national television after photos were published showing huge crowds out shopping.

Health Minister Roberto Speranza told RAI state television that all the sacrifices Italians have made since the nationwide lockdown began risked being reversed.

Restrictions on movement vary from country to country, state to state, locality to locality. Swedes have been advised to practice social distancing, but schools, bars and restaurants remain open. In Germany and Britain, residents can get outdoors to exercise and walk their dogs, while in Serbia and South Africa, dog walking is not allowed.

The ACLU filed its first lawsuit over coronavirus restrictions, arguing in part that Puerto Rico’s curfew leaves people fearing arrest if they help elderly relatives by letting police determine who belongs in a family. A coastal community’s mayor in Georgia fears the governor’s mandate to open beaches will bring crowds to the small island with older residents and no medical facility.

At the Vatican, Pope Francis blessed palms for Palm Sunday in a near-empty St. Peter’s Basilica. At a New Orleans church, Rev. Emmanuel Mulenga blessed palm fronds and put them on a back table so people could get them while also observing social distancing.

Worldwide, more than 1.2 million people have been confirmed infected and nearly 70,000 have died, according to Johns Hopkins University. The true numbers are certainly much higher, due to limited testing, different ways nations count the dead and deliberate under-reporting by some governments.

The vast majority of infected people recover from the virus, which is spread by microscopic droplets from coughs or sneezes. For most people, the virus causes mild to moderate symptoms such as fever and cough. But for some, especially older adults and the infirm, it can cause pneumonia and lead to death.

The rapid spread of the virus in the United States has prompted a chaotic scramble for medical equipment and protective gear.

An Associated Press review of purchasing contracts showed that federal agencies largely waited until mid-March — more than two months after the first warnings of a potential pandemic — to begin placing bulk orders of N95 respirator masks, mechanical ventilators and other equipment needed by front-line health care workers.

By that time, hospitals in several states were treating thousands of infected patients without adequate equipment and pleading for shipments from the national stockpile. Now that stockpile is nearly drained just as the numbers of patients requiring critical care is surging.

When asked about the issue, Trump said federal officials and the military had worked “a miracle.”

Rebekah Gee, who heads the Louisiana State University’s health care services division, warned that the private and public sector have been competing with each other, leading to price increases.

Gee said one of her colleagues went on eBay to buy gowns, while equipment her department ordered from China got stalled for weeks in Hong Kong.

“Our whole country is at war with this virus,” said Gee, who once ran the state’s Department of Health. “This needs a coordinated approach, and right now that’s not happening.”

Louisiana and the New Orleans area have been hard hit by the virus, and Gov. John Bel Edwards has repeatedly warned of looming equipment shortages.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he hoped the pace of new infections would plateau soon, but that the virus is unlikely to be eradicated this year.

Speaking on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Fauci said the prospect of a resurgence is why the U.S. is working so hard to develop a vaccine and conducting clinical trials on treatments.

Scientists are still learning about the virus that was first detected in late December in Wuhan, China. In what is believed to be the first known infection in an animal in the U.S., officials said Sunday that a tiger at the Bronx Zoo had tested positive.

___D’Emilio reported from Rome. Associated Press writers around the world contributed to this report.
 
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rlm1966

Veteran Member
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gqrSaXlga8
LIVE
Governor's Update on Coronavirus (COVID-19) | April 6, 2020
•Started streaming 75 minutes ago


SouthCarolinaETV
South Carolina Governor Henry McMaster will give an update on the state's response to Coronavirus (COVID-19). April 6, 2020. For more information visit: https://www.scetv.org/coronavirus.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdnak4ZXDs
Idiot. Stating that to many boats were on the water is such a load of crap. If they only have 1 or 2 people in them I am sure that they are more than 6 feet away from each other. And I have seen the businesses that he has left open and have to say this is a half arse measure to make people feel he is doing something. Then basically making suggestions to the church. How about some simple regs for occupancy and min spacing and then leaving people alone. Well maybe this helps but have my doubts unless they implement it for many months and that won't fly.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
The med given to help alcoholics stop drinking (Disulfiram/Anabuse) seems to have some potential to help stop corona viruses also:

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) emerged in southern China in late 2002 and caused a global outbreak with a fatality rate around 10% in 2003. Ten years later, a second highly pathogenic human CoV, MERS-CoV, emerged in the Middle East and has spread to other countries in Europe, North Africa, North America and Asia. As of November 2017, MERS-CoV had infected at least 2102 people with a fatality rate of about 35% globally, and hence there is an urgent need to identify antiviral drugs that are active against MERS-CoV. Here we show that a clinically available alcohol-aversive drug, disulfiram, can inhibit the papain-like proteases (PLpros) of MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV. Our findings suggest that disulfiram acts as an allosteric inhibitor of MERS-CoV PLpro but as a competitive (or mixed) inhibitor of SARS-CoV PLpro. The phenomenon of slow-binding inhibition and the irrecoverability of enzyme activity after removing unbound disulfiram indicate covalent inactivation of SARS-CoV PLpro by disulfiram, while synergistic inhibition of MERS-CoV PLpro by disulfiram and 6-thioguanine or mycophenolic acid implies the potential for combination treatments using these three clinically available drugs.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wow, I can think of no easier way to get infected than this close contact. I figured out, or read somewhere, maybe a out aids, that when you have sex with a person, any person, you have sex with EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT PERSONE EVER, REPEAT EVER HAD SRX WITH. GRANTED, BACK WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND STUPID, VERSUS NOW WHEN I AM OLD AND TRY TO NOT MAKE THE SSME MISTAKE THREE TIMES, :jstr: The spirit is willing but the flesh is horny. :arg:
Anyway going to a brothel now may be the most ignorant thing I have heard in years.
Indeed, surely a brothel is, these days, the carnal equivalent of riding around on the New York City Subway
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Everyone should listen to Clif High's video about bats. It is a most troubling video and seems to be based in facts. As quoted in the Trivium link, this may not leave you -- just like malaria. It may just go dormant until conditions are right for it to re-emerge and strike again.

Do you have a link to that video? I've been trying to explain this to a co-worker and I can't find the link to send him...
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I sent that video to my Dr. friend. I explained who Clif was and that he was just interesting to watch. I haven't spoke with him about the video but he did text me that Clif doesn't have good understanding of the subject and is way off. He said Vitamin C looks like it may have part to play but that Clif has things wrong in this presentation.

Dang it!

Well, I hope someone with some good credibility picks up on the study. I am 90% convinced based on things I have seen that this virus goes dormant and hits again when conditions are right. We'd really be screwed if infected could still shed the whole time it was dormant...
 
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skoaldiak

WWG1WGA
Have you seen this video for David Icke?

Skip to 1h03m11s

View: https://vimeo.com/404728831


 
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Those in the medical field get well earned respect from me. In my time in the military, I was in an active war zone functioning as an electronics technician. The obligatory mortars, rockets, satchel charges, small arms fire were a risk I expected. What I did not expect was the emergency destruction protocols for things which absolutely, positively could not fall into enemy hands. Turned out that the process to destroy the stuff was not survivable by those doing it. Even when I figured that out, still being in my teens, my invulnerability mythical belief took over. Later I found out that lest we not do our destruction job completely, the local artillary battery had a firing solution for our facility. We were expendable. THAT should not be the attitude of hospitals to their staff.

Medical staff have my utmost respect and, quite frankly, I am in awe of the nerves they display. All my life I could see my enemy and take effective actions against them. These guys and gals are going into a battle everyday and they have no clue where the enemy is. Figure in the fact that those who have charge and responsibility over them are not even a hindrance to them effectively carrying out their duties... In many cases they are a detriment and cause more harm.

My employer has not provided us with any help but they do not stop or hinder us from bringing in our own things to use. We have had more than one person in the building test positive but I am not walking, daily, into a ward of sick people. I am thankful to still be earning a paycheck, so I keep my mouth shut ( for now ). If I was in their shoes... No way. I know my limitations pretty well and I am not ashamed to say that I could not handle doing that job.

So, all the medical professionals and volunteers here on the board...


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jward

passin' thru
I am not aware of any statewide SIP orders. I have heard that hotels and such are closed to all but healthcare workers, police, etc. Restaurants are pick up or delivery only. Both Wal-Mart and Kroger have you line up and be admitted as others leave. At least, this is what I am being told.
I can only assume that the orders are from mayors and such, and only apply to their area. I live in the county and we don't have a mayor, so nothing on that front applies to me. We wait to hear something from the sheriff, but so far it's crickets.
We have stayed home since before the schools were closed. DH is immune-compromised and we can't take the chance.
Meanwhile, we have one in high school still. The "cyber" work is killing him. Hours and hours of work each night, across all his subjects. Who assigns 100 algebra problems after watching a video? Not to mention that all the teachers have them watching videos. We have Hughes....and I'm pretty sure we will run out of band width before he runs out of videos to watch. Grrr....

Thanks for helping me understand the situation! I'm impressed with the hold out governors. There must be a tremendous amount of pressure on them to fall into line. You've got my sympathy- as a fellow hughes net sufferer, I cannot imagine trying to keep up with online education on it!
 
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