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Texican

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Ok, Here is another one that is making the rounds, but can not find any details.

Supposedly defense contractor L3 sent out a memo/letter that martial law was going to be instituted to shutdown America to stop the spread of the Virus.

I can not find anything about this. Probably a hoax, but has anyone heard anything?

Texican....
 

questionable1

Contributing Member
Ok, Here is another one that is making the rounds, but can not find any details.

Supposedly defense contractor L3 sent out a memo/letter that martial law was going to be instituted to shutdown America to stop the spread of the Virus.

I can not find anything about this. Probably a hoax, but has anyone heard anything?

Texican....
April 1st?
 

Texican

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MinnesotaSmith

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China Blames Other Countries for Its Faulty Medical Equipment
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TOPSHOT - This photo taken on January 22, 2020 shows workers producing facemasks at a factory in Handan in China's northern Hebei province. - China banned trains and planes from leaving Wuhan at the centre of a virus outbreak on January 23, seeking to seal off its 11 million people …'s northern Hebei province. - China banned trains and planes from leaving Wuhan at the centre of a virus outbreak on January 23, seeking to seal off its 11 million people …
STR/AFP via Getty ImagesJOHN HAYWARD31 Mar 202023

Chinese state media on Tuesday deflected complaints about the poor quality of masks and coronavirus test kits shipped from China to other countries by insisting “quality concerns” are overblown and the “vast majority” are up to standards, despite growing complaints to the contrary.

The Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) media organs blamed the countries that purchased Chinese supplies for using them improperly and cast aspersions on the foreign suppliers of raw materials to Chinese industry.

The CCP’s Global Times produced a masterpiece of evasive doublespeak on Tuesday, condemning “conspiracy theories” about the heavy failure rate of Chinese medical equipment, while slipping in a convoluted admission that “risks of quality issues do exist due to a combination of factors from illegal production activities to improper procurement channels, shortages in crucial foreign materials and loopholes in foreign regulations that require attention from all governments.”

“Hyping up and politicizing quality issues based on several individual cases is not only counterproductive in the global fight against the pandemic but could also be dangerous going forward, as many countries are running out of the life-saving equipment, Chinese officials, businesses and analysts warned,” the Global Times added, as if Chinese officials, businessmen, and analysts could be expected to say anything else.

The Chinese state paper complained that other governments have not provided enough details of the equipment failures. For example, the article suggested those 600,000 Chinese sanitary masks that proved unreliable in the Netherlands might have failed, not because of Chinese manufacturing, but because “material that China relies on importing from Switzerland and Turkey” might have been defective.

The Global Times went on to blame lax certification standards from foreign entities such as the “so-called U.S. Food and Drug Administration” and the European Union for allowing shady Chinese companies to steal sales away from more reputable firms. Nameless Chinese officials provided assurances that “crackdowns” on these dodgy manufacturers are underway.

“Regarding the masks the Dutch officials have asked to recall, it was unclear whether they had gained proper certification and were purchased through proper channels, as the officials did not disclose the source of the masks,” the Global Times huffed.

As for the infamously inaccurate coronavirus test kits pouring out of China, the Global Times blamed end users in countries such as Spain, the Philippines, and the Czech Republic for using the kits incorrectly, in addition to slamming foreign procurers for doing business with the wrong Chinese companies.

An unidentified “insider” from an unnamed agency in an unspecified country magically appeared to confirm everything the CCP said about the defective equipment:







After muttering about “irregular sales activities” of ventilators, thermometers, and their components that might lead to more complaints about quality, the Global Times complained about an alleged “ideologically driven bias toward everything associated with China” and blamed foreign officials for “politicizing” the coronavirus epidemic.

The Global Times fired off an editorial on Monday, raging against anyone who dares to criticize the suspiciously high failure rate of medical equipment coming from the country that claims to have reduced local transmissions of the virus to zero in the heart of the outbreak zone.

The editorial allowed that some dubious manufacturers have set up shop in China and should be hounded out of business by CCP regulators, while also complaining that “standards in different countries are inconsistent” and implying “governments and media of other countries” are irrationally over-hyping quality issues.

This was followed by the customary threats against foreigners who make the grave mistake of angering the “Chinese public”:



Writing at the Washington Times on Monday, Spain-based commentator Jorge Gonzalez-Gallarza Hernandez granted that Spain and the European Union might have ordered supplies from China in too much haste, without properly vetting the suppliers, and Spanish officials have not handled the ensuing controversy well, but noted both Chinese corporate and government officials have also been evasive in responding to quality complaints.

Among other things, Beijing’s list of approved vendors was published after Spain bought those coronavirus test kits with a 70 percent failure rate from Bioeasy, a company that turned out to be absent from the approval list.

“Accepting this as an excuse would assume that any medical equipment Chinese firms have exported prior to the official list release is beyond Beijing’s responsibility to quality-control. How reassuring,” Hernandez said sarcastically.
“What friendly country allows exports of test kits that it wouldn’t use on its own population? Given the predatory nature of China’s development aid, likening its medical equipment sales to the Belt and Road initiative may turn an accurate parallel,” Hernandez concluded, referring to China’s vast infrastructure program, criticized for luring Third World governments into taking out Chinese loans they can never repay.

Anyone that has read the book Poorly Made in China would not buy sand from the Chinese for filling in a ditch, let alone anything to go on or in their body.
 
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Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
From: United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker as of 11:15 am.

CONFIRMED CASES - 190,908
↑ 9% (+15781 past 24 hr)

DEATHS - 4,132
↑ 20% (+702 past 24 hr)

RECOVERED - 7,141
↑ 19% (+1141 past 24 hr)

America will will surpass 200,000 infected cases sometime today or tomorrow and over 5,000 deaths shortly there after.

The county that I live in SE Okieland does not have a confirmed case yet.

There is a sense of helplessness that is gripping the world, for as individuals we are powerless to stop this plague, this Virus. All that we can do as individuals is to isolate, but we pray that we can do more. Many can not face this and so they go out and mingle regardless of the consequences.

Pray for America and the world. Pray often.

Texican....
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
I think it is STEVE SOLOMON'S Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food in Hard Times that talks about what to grow for the biggest caloric buck, how to grow them, extend seasons etc. IIRC the five go to crops for such a scenario are: beans, potatoes, corns, squash and eggs?

Potatoes have more calories than beans per growing area.

I was reading “the sustainable vegetable garden” by John Jeavons last night. From the book...
When thinking about gardening, we must consider how to grow crops that will provide as many calories as possible in a given area. Dry beans can provide a lot of calories per pound, but it takes a lot of space to grow enough beans to provide all or most of our calories.
We can get a lot more potatoes out of a given area than dry beans. Even though a pound of potatoes has less than one-fifth the calories that are in a pound of dry pinto beans, a small patch of potatoes produce a lot more calories in a given area than an equal area to pinto beans.
The bio intensive midrange yield for potatoes is 200 pounds per 100 square feet, while the bio intensive midrange yield for beans and wheat is 10 pounds per 100 square feet.
 
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naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Potatoes have more calories than beans per growing area.

I was reading “the sustainable vegetable garden” by John Jeavons last night. From the book...
When thinking about gardening, we must consider how to grow crops that will provide as many calories as possible in a given area. Dry beans can provide a lot of calories per pound, but it takes a lot of space to grow enough beans to provide all or most of our calories.
We can get a lot more potatoes out of a given area than dry beans. Even though a pound of potatoes has less than be-fifth the calories that are in a pound of dry pinto beans, a small patch of potatoes produce a lot more calories in a given area than an equal area to pinto beans.
The bio intensive midrange yield for potatoes is 200 pounds per 100 square feet, while the bio intensive midrange yield for beans and wheat is 10 pounds per 100 square feet.
But beans put nitrogen into the soil. Useful when one can't buy fertilizer. One should also not grow the same crop in the same soil, hear after year.
Beans also store better long term. I can store dry beans for years . Potatoes only last till spring.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I seriously think china is using bio warfare. They sucked all the masks up around the world after releasing a deadly virus. Bashed countries for stopping planes from them. Had the WHO claim it want transmitted between peoples. Then released masks that don't work , tests that don't work, and tests that are pre contaminated.

They want us dead!
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
ALso I havent been able to find seed potato at a reasonable price anywhere. I usually grow Elbas or aother long storage type and online everyone is out. Agway is supposed to get theirs in the next couple of weeks but they will fly off the shelves. Buddyof mine goes by there everyday for work so he is going to keep an eye out and grab me 25 lbs if he can. I picked up 20 lbs of eating potatoes from a farm stand as a backup if I cant get seed pottaotes.

Would using organic potatoes from the grocery store work? Assuming we can find any.
 

Tristan

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With GM's manufacturing capabilities, why in the HELL aren't they producing N-95 or N-100 masks? What's in the picture doesn't protect anyone, vis-a-vis CV19... Feel good propaganda... Not impressed, and if I were a stockholder, I'd be pissed.

OA


Well, I guess the first question is, do they have the materials on hand or in the pipeline to produce n95 masks? Or the Machines to produce them? Or do they have machines which could be adapted to such use?

Do they even have the expertise on hand anymore in the US to make the machines that make the masks? I really don't know - serious question.

What about lead times? Is this going to be over in 2 months? 2 years?

See where I'm going with this?
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They are going to have to put out feelers to the local drug lords. Always seems to be plenty of opiates and derivatives in their inventory.

I seem to recall the US destroyed a huge shipment of illicit fentanyl recently (several actually); too bad it couldn't have been tested and reprocessed into a emergency stockpile for response to just sort of a problem (pipe dream there, I know...)

Here's an example:

and another:
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
From: United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker as of 11:15 am.

CONFIRMED CASES - 190,908
↑ 9% (+15781 past 24 hr)

DEATHS - 4,132
↑ 20% (+702 past 24 hr)

RECOVERED - 7,141
↑ 19% (+1141 past 24 hr)

America will will surpass 200,000 infected cases sometime today or tomorrow and over 5,000 deaths shortly there after.

The county that I live in SE Okieland does not have a confirmed case yet.

There is a sense of helplessness that is gripping the world, for as individuals we are powerless to stop this plague, this Virus. All that we can do as individuals is to isolate, but we pray that we can do more. Many can not face this and so they go out and mingle regardless of the consequences.

Pray for America and the world. Pray often.

Texican....

From: United States Coronavirus (COVID-19) Tracker as of 12 pm.

CONFIRMED CASES - 199,034 In 45 minutes the number of infected has jumped over 8,000 cases. Will hit over 200,000 cases soon.
↑ 14% (+23907 past 24 hr)

DEATHS - 4,365 In 45 minutes the number of deaths has jumped over 333 cases. Will hit over 5,000 deaths later today.
↑ 27% (+935 past 24hr)

RECOVERED - 8,361
↑ 39% (+2361 past 24 hr)

Sad.

Texican....
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
We are seeing it here on the North Slope. Between low oil prices and the Covid19, CCI sent home 73 non essential workers. Ice Services closed its Kitchen at point Thompson and sent about 30 home. Oil Search, is curtailing activity. Two drilling rigs from Conoco are being cold stacked, I think, 4 more rigs up here are going into warm shut down for a undetermined amount of time. That’s just what I have heard the last few days. Plus we have a case of corona virus up here confirmed positive that has one of the bigger players, I won’t say who at this point, their entire camp is on lock down.
If the Saudis don’t get us the Covid19 may likely shut down the North Slope.
Alberta's oil patch is completely shut in, partly from Covid, partly from low prices, and mostly from onerous .gov policies. But some independents are ready to go (Native Reserve fields) but can't because of quarantine.....nobody got sick, but the province shut it all down.
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
But beans put nitrogen into the soil. Useful when one can't buy fertilizer. One should also not grow the same crop in the same soil, hear after year.
Beans also store better long term. I can store dry beans for years . Potatoes only last till spring.
Of course, they are both important crops. I didn’t mean to insinuate we shouldn’t plant any beans.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ok, Here is another one that is making the rounds, but can not find any details.

Supposedly defense contractor L3 sent out a memo/letter that martial law was going to be instituted to shutdown America to stop the spread of the Virus.

I can not find anything about this. Probably a hoax, but has anyone heard anything?

Texican....
It may very well be a hoax. But I can say that L3 does exist, I used to drive by their place frequently when I lived in Mason Ohio
 
New York hospital system says more than 400 employees have coronavirus

Northwell Health, the largest health care system in the state of New York, told CNN that about 470 employees have tested positive for Covid-19.

Northwell Health spokesperson Terence Lynam said the hospital system has had more than 2,400 Covid-19 patients in their hospitals, with an additional 3,600 hospitalized patients who were either waiting to be tested or waiting for results. ICUs are currently 85% full.

The company employs about 72,000 people.


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Squid

Veteran Member
Well, I guess the first question is, do they have the materials on hand or in the pipeline to produce n95 masks? Or the Machines to produce them? Or do they have machines which could be adapted to such use?

Do they even have the expertise on hand anymore in the US to make the machines that make the masks? I really don't know - serious question.

What about lead times? Is this going to be over in 2 months? 2 years?

See where I'm going with this?
We have one existing plant pre Corona, full production for the hospitals that supported them while others chose China or Mexico. Not rocket science but some seem to think specialized production machines can be repurposed like changing a light bulb. A computer welding machine for auto manufacturing cannot be reprogrammed to become a sewing machine.

Hence the pillow guy has sewing machines that can be repurposed to supply critical needed masks and keep his people working while retail is shutdown.

There is short term stop gap and longer term move to local production, manufactures won’t tool up if the big hospitals and hospital distributors are planning to move back to cheaper Chinese as soon as crisis over.

The government will have to step in an require certain identified critical need items are moved to American production.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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They don't need to be organic. You aren't gonna eat the seed potato.
No, but most non-organic potatoes are treated with sprout inhibitors... the will generally start to sprout if kept in warmer conditions, but aren't ideal for planting.

One big factor in the "dry beans vs potatoes" debate is *calories expended* to grow them. Potatoes require hilling and weeding (they'll tolerate a pretty good weed load once they're well started, but it makes harvest a royal PITA, and can impede airflow and thus increase disease problems. Plus, quackgrass roots will grow into and even through potatoes, which damages them for storage) but are pretty easy to plant, harvest and store. We've grown as much as 1800# without any fancy tools... dug the trench with a hoe (after thorough soil preparation with a rototiller), billed them with a how and shovel, and harvested with a digging fork. It's not really difficult (but as we get older, we love the horsedrawn potato digger we pull with the 4-wheeler!)

Dry beans, OTOH, require similar care with weeding (in a humid or wet year, weeds will hold moisture, and keep the pods from drying down, or even encourage mold and rot). You then have to hull the beans, and winnow them to get rid of all the trash. Then pick them over before using. I've done it, several times, but growing more than 10# or so is very time consuming.

One other factor.. Potatoes will grow in much cooler weather. Beans are heat lovers. Even the short4st season variety I know (Jacob's Cattle, which combine earliness with beauty and great taste...good yields, too) requires a minimum of 85 days from planting... and you can't plant until the soil warms up and all risk of frost is gone. Most varieties are closer to 100 days to harvest.

Summerthyme
 
Desantis shutting down Florida, just heard...looking for link
Florida governor will sign executive order telling people to stay at home
From CNN's Dan Shepherd, Rosa Flores, Sara Weisfeldt and Jamiel Lynch

The Florida Channel

The Florida Channel

In a press conference this afternoon, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said he will be signing an executive order directing all Floridians to limit actions outside of their homes.

DeSantis has been one of the governors who has not yet issued a stay-at-home order for the their state.
Florida has reported over 6,900 cases and 86 deaths.
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Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
We have had an increase of over 900 in PA.


COVID-19 Cases in Pennsylvania*
NegativePositiveDeaths
42,4275,80574
* Map, tables and case counts last updated at 12:00 p.m. on 4/1/2020



Positive Cases by Age Range to Date



Age RangePercent of Cases
0-4< 1%
5-12< 1%
13-181%
19-249%
25-4940%
50-6429%
65+19%
* Percentages may not total 100% due to rounding




Hospitalizations by Age Range to Date
Total number of hospitalizations since 3/6/2020: 620




Age RangePercent of Cases
0-4< 1%
5-120%
13-18< 1%
19-241%
25-4920%
50-6427%
65+51%
* Percentages may not total 100% due to rounding




County Case Counts to Date




CountyNumber of CasesDeaths
Adams12
Allegheny3562
Armstrong5
Beaver542
Bedford3
Berks151
Blair4
Bradford8
Bucks3126
Butler642
Cambria3
Cameron1
Carbon231
Centre27
Chester1831
Clarion4
Clearfield4
Columbia8
Crawford5
Cumberland381
Dauphin591
Delaware3907
Erie15
Fayette141
Franklin21
Greene9
Huntingdon1
Indiana6
Juniata2
Lackawanna853
Lancaster1573
Lawrence132
Lebanon36
Lehigh3745
Luzerne2824
Lycoming7
Mckean1
Mercer8
Mifflin1
Monroe2788
Montgomery6498
Montour13
Northampton3125
Northumberland6
Perry1
Philadelphia147810
Pike571
Potter2
Schuylkill47
Snyder31
Somerset3
Susquehanna2
Tioga2
Union2
Venango3
Warren1
Washington35
Wayne14
Westmoreland72
York 79
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
Alberta's oil patch is completely shut in, partly from Covid, partly from low prices, and mostly from onerous .gov policies. But some independents are ready to go (Native Reserve fields) but can't because of quarantine.....nobody got sick, but the province shut it all down.
Yep. Canada’s oil prices are down around $5 a barrel last I heard. Those guys are struggling.
 
There are 2,900 New York City Fire Department members currently out sick
From CNN's Mark Morales

There are 2,900 New York City Fire Department members currently out sick, Jim Long, a spokesperson for the department, told CNN.

The 2,900 number is an overall count and it includes members who do not have illnesses or symptoms related to Covid-19, Long said.

So far, 282 members of the FDNY have tested positive for Covid-19. This figure includes firefighters, EMS personnel and civilians.

On Tuesday, FDNY EMS responded to 6,010 medical calls, Long said.

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Nevada governor issues stay-at-home order
Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak issued a formal stay-at-home directive for Nevadans and extended the non-essential business, gaming and school closures today, according to a statement from his office.

The stay-at-home order goes into effect at midnight Wednesday, according to the statement.

The closure of non-essential business, gaming establishments and schools is extended to April 30, according to the statement.


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Peter

Senior Member
Florida governor will sign executive order telling people to stay at home
From CNN's Dan Shepherd, Rosa Flores, Sara Weisfeldt and Jamiel Lynch

The Florida Channel

The Florida Channel

In a press conference this afternoon, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said he will be signing an executive order directing all Floridians to limit actions outside of their homes.

DeSantis has been one of the governors who has not yet issued a stay-at-home order for the their state.
Florida has reported over 6,900 cases and 86 deaths.
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Coronavirus surge is beginning in northern New Jersey, health commissioner says

The Covid-19 surge is beginning in northern New Jersey, Department of Health Commissioner Judith Persichilli said.

Some hospitals in the northern part of the state have asked ambulances to not bring patients to the hospital. Two hospitals called to say they needed ventilators, Persichilli said.

Officials are looking at possible alternative sites, Persichilli said.

The field hospital will begin being staffed next week, she said.

At least 93 of the long-term facilities across New Jersey are reporting at least one positive Covid-19 case, she said.

About 5,200 healthcare professionals have volunteered to assist with the fight against the pandemic.

New Jersey currently has 22,255 coronavirus cases and 355 deaths, according to CNN's tally.
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Impeachment Manager Adam Schiff Wants ‘9/11 Commission’ on Coronavirus: ‘What Went Wrong’?

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, right, accompanied by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., left, speaks about the House impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump at a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Oct. 15, 2019. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)

Andrew Harnik/AP PhotoJoel B. Pollak1 Apr 2020

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Monday he will introduce a bill to create a “nonpartisan commission” to study “our mistakes” on coronavirus — which spread while Schiff was leading the effort to impeach and remove the president.

As Breitbart News has noted, Democrats handed over the articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump on the very day the first coronavirus victim landed in the U.S. from China. Congress spent the next 20 days on the impeachment trial, led by Schiff as head impeachment manager and chair of the House Intelligence Committee. It was not until Trump was acquitted Feb. 5 that a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee held a hearing on coronavirus.

View: https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1245352023433887744


Throughout the 20 days of the impeachment trial, while Schiff and his team were preoccupied with trying to remove the president from office, Trump took several actions aimed at fighting the coronavirus.

Trump imposed his travel ban on China Jan. 31 — the day the Senate voted on witnesses in the impeachement trial.

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR), one of the only legislators to raise the alarm on coronavirus, told the Arkansas Gazette in January that he was breaking the rules and skipping to trial to work with the administration on the coronavirus issue.

Schiff, as chair of the House Intelligence Committee, receives briefings on threats facing the United States.

His proposed new bill would create a “9/11 Commission”-style inquiry into how the U.S. dealt with coronavirus.

Schiff broke the news of his bill with David Ignatius of the Washington Post — the same columnist who broke the news in January 2017 that incoming National Security Advisor Michael Flynn had spoken with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Flynn had been “unmasked” in transcripts of wiretapped telephone conversations.

Much of Ignatius’s article on Schiff’s bill focuses on Ambassador Richard Grenell, whom Ignatius accuses — citing “[c]areer officials” — of “trying to shape intelligence that might challenge or embarrass Trump” on coronavirus. Grenell, who served as U.S. ambassador to Germany, was recently named acting Director of National Intelligence.


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Florida stay-at-home order goes into effect on Friday
From CNN's Dan Shepherd

The stay-at-home order issued by Gov. Ron DeSantis goes into effect at 12:01 a.m. ET on Friday.

According to 2019 Census data, the population of the state has over 21 million people.

Florida has 6,946 confirmed coronavirus cases and 86 deaths, according to CNN's tally.

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