I WOULD TAKE A HUNDRED BULLETS FOR HER
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dieseltrooper
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I seem to recall a recent thread addressing the issue of going after other members in a personal way....
She came to Ohio last year, and my DH and 2 kids waited 2.5 hours to see her. In the rally, my 12 year old DD got close enough to the stage after the speech, when Gov. Palin was shaking hands off the stage.....my DD stretched as far as she could to shake her hand, and Gov Palin could see her trying to reach....so Gov Palin reached as far off the stage as she could, but they couldnt connect. Instead, my DD said Mrs. Palin looked her in the eye, grimaced, and shook her head "no" as if to say "sorry, I cant reach you". The fact that she saw her try so hard said enough. I will work for her too. I hope she runs.
That is why I posted the above...
just ignore them... they are trying to get the tread pulled
I seem to recall a recent thread addressing the issue of going after other members in a personal way....
just ignore them... they are trying to get the tread pulled
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ALEXL
ROD INC. KNEW WITH McSame running against Obama.. had it in the bag... he thought he would pick Gov Ridge or a milktoast Republican..which would mean a 300 seat Dem House...then out of nowhere...Sarah...believe me not McSHAME pick... to the rescue... & a threat in 2010 & 2012
ALEXL
fruit loop
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Sarah Palin was more of a liability for McCain than an assist. She was picked as an attempt to draw the Hillary vote, and failed miserably. The only advantage that she had over other GOP VP candidates is that she can (probably) spell potato.
People gripe about Obama's supposed inexperience....she's got waaaaay less, as the governor of a sparsely populated state.
I don't think she's a terrible person, but she's certainly not impressive. The GOP needs to see the REAL jewel in their midst.....Ron Paul...and start giving him some attention. HE would draw votes from all walks. Sarah won't.
P.S. to a previous poster. No, Fruit Loop's mama probably doesn't care what I think....she's been in heaven for the last 19 years.
People gripe about Obama's supposed inexperience....she's got waaaaay less, as the governor of a sparsely populated state.
I don't think she's a terrible person, but she's certainly not impressive. The GOP needs to see the REAL jewel in their midst.....Ron Paul...and start giving him some attention. HE would draw votes from all walks. Sarah won't.
P.S. to a previous poster. No, Fruit Loop's mama probably doesn't care what I think....she's been in heaven for the last 19 years.
THINK 2012
Love the MSM title for this clip...
Click on title to view clip...I cut picture ... show time...to show MSM propagandist sneer...
Love the MSM title for this clip...
Click on title to view clip...I cut picture ... show time...to show MSM propagandist sneer...
ONLY TOOK 3 SEC FOR SNEER...YUP PANIC MODE
lectrickitty
Great Great Grandma!
It would be interesting to hear who she would fill her cabinet with. I doubt it would be a bunch of tax cheats and Chicago thugs. I wonder if she would eliminate all the czars that have been put in place? What about the IRS, NAFTA, CAFTA, and "free trade" with China? How much could she really do?
I'd support her if she was running VP on a ticket with Ron Paul. I'd have to know who her running mate would be, and a lot more before I'd throw my hat in the ring.
I'd support her if she was running VP on a ticket with Ron Paul. I'd have to know who her running mate would be, and a lot more before I'd throw my hat in the ring.
Navydad
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At a Palin rally in Colorado Springs I shook her hand. Amazingly, when I got home and looked at my hand a scar from childhood had disappeared. 
Seriously Palin has a chance. While I admire Ron Paul he is seen as radical and could not win. Perception is everything in politics. I don't consider Paul to be radical. But too many do.
Time to belly up to the bar and toast the Bear killer.
Seriously Palin has a chance. While I admire Ron Paul he is seen as radical and could not win. Perception is everything in politics. I don't consider Paul to be radical. But too many do.
Time to belly up to the bar and toast the Bear killer.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
BBBD, you apparently haven't watched us long enough.
As Ender and others have said..think again...
Dad, watch that "Bearkiller" stuff....Unlessyou have read "Dies the Fire" in which case you KNOW what it can mean.....
As Ender and others have said..think again...
Dad, watch that "Bearkiller" stuff....Unlessyou have read "Dies the Fire" in which case you KNOW what it can mean.....
Bear Killer
I LIKE IT
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At a Palin rally in Colorado Springs I shook her hand. Amazingly, when I got home and looked at my hand a scar from childhood had disappeared.
Seriously Palin has a chance. While I admire Ron Paul he is seen as radical and could not win. Perception is everything in politics. I don't consider Paul to be radical. But too many do.
Time to belly up to the bar and toast the Bear killer.
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BigBadBossyDog
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At a Palin rally in Colorado Springs I shook her hand. Amazingly, when I got home and looked at my hand a scar from childhood had disappeared.
Seriously Palin has a chance. While I admire Ron Paul he is seen as radical and could not win. Perception is everything in politics. I don't consider Paul to be radical. But too many do.
Time to belly up to the bar and toast the Bear killer.
I didn't as much consider Ron Paul as the radical, but some of his supporters were huge turnoffs. Couple that with Dr. Paul's inability to express himself, seriously, listening to him was like fingernails on a chalkboard.
I really can't speak to what the media did to him since I don't watch TV much and don't have the MSM channels.
I have never and will never vote for someone based on appearance or presentability, but the candidate must get their point across in a manner than lends itself to leadership. I'll give that one to Obama, even though everything he said was nothing but self-centered lies and worthless cliches. Sound bites that impressed the lesser of society.
If Mrs. Palin runs for national office again, she really must stop with the winking and "you betchas".
Jindal
Is not a Natural Born Citizen. Both his parents were not U.S. Citizens when he was born here.
As for Obama I was never impressed by his speech skills...
Is not a Natural Born Citizen. Both his parents were not U.S. Citizens when he was born here.
As for Obama I was never impressed by his speech skills...
Navydad
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Parentage not withstanding, born on American soil makes you an American Citizen and naturally born in the USA. You simply choose at maturity if you want to remain an American. But I think Jindal's birth may be more complicated he talked about this once IIRC. But I don't remember the details.
Johnny Reb
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If anyone has a link to join her campaign staff please post it! I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
Not to mention I'd have her babies!
Not to mention I'd have her babies!
Sarah Palin lost all credibility with me when she became aligned with McCain last year.
I always thought she was a true conservative along the lines of a Ron Paul, but once she was locked in as the Republican VP candidate with McCain, I was disappointed and realized that she had either sold out, or was just part of the machine all along...
I have a hard time taking her seriously now.
I always thought she was a true conservative along the lines of a Ron Paul, but once she was locked in as the Republican VP candidate with McCain, I was disappointed and realized that she had either sold out, or was just part of the machine all along...
I have a hard time taking her seriously now.
WRONG!!!!
U.S. Constitution
Article II. The Presidency
Section 1.
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Being born here makes you a citizen only, not a natural born citizen
Founding father’s clause in US Constitution... President must be a Natural Born Citizen
This means he/she must be born in the USA & BOTH HIS/HER PARENTS must be U.S. Citizens at time of birth.
In Obama's case even if he was born in the US, his father was a British citizen & therefore not a natural born citizen.
Jindal...Both his parents were Indian citizens when he was born so he is not a natural born citizen.
In fact one reason that McCain was chosen by the Dems...He was born in Panama...Yes both his parents are U.S. Citizens but he was not born in The USA. U.S. military bases do not count. He actually was made a citizen by U.S. statute not by the 14th amendment. By having McCain run against Obama it took the Natural Born Citizen issue off the table.
U.S. Constitution
Article II. The Presidency
Section 1.
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Being born here makes you a citizen only, not a natural born citizen
Founding father’s clause in US Constitution... President must be a Natural Born Citizen
This means he/she must be born in the USA & BOTH HIS/HER PARENTS must be U.S. Citizens at time of birth.
In Obama's case even if he was born in the US, his father was a British citizen & therefore not a natural born citizen.
Jindal...Both his parents were Indian citizens when he was born so he is not a natural born citizen.
In fact one reason that McCain was chosen by the Dems...He was born in Panama...Yes both his parents are U.S. Citizens but he was not born in The USA. U.S. military bases do not count. He actually was made a citizen by U.S. statute not by the 14th amendment. By having McCain run against Obama it took the Natural Born Citizen issue off the table.
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Navydad
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sorry wrong
U.S. Constitution Online FAQ Topics Messages Documents Timeline Kids Vermont Search Survey Support AdsUSConstitution.net Constitutional Topic: Citizenship
If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must. To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
U.S. Constitution Online FAQ Topics Messages Documents Timeline Kids Vermont Search Survey Support AdsUSConstitution.net Constitutional Topic: Citizenship
If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must. To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
- Anyone born inside the United States *
- Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
- Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
- Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
- Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
- Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
- A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Navydad
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Ender the sorry wrong not aimed at you. We cross posted.
ETA: Sorry but what don't you understand about being naturally born? How many people were born of immigrant parents in 1800 Just one year after the signing of the constitution. Naturally born means simply you were physically born in the United States. The ancestry of your parents was under the original interpretation of no importance. If you lived as a born person at the time of the signing you were also eligible no matter the place of your birth. The McCain/Obama arguments are not even relevant in this case. Jindahl was born within the boundaries of the United States, Ie, naturally born citizen.
ETA: Sorry but what don't you understand about being naturally born? How many people were born of immigrant parents in 1800 Just one year after the signing of the constitution. Naturally born means simply you were physically born in the United States. The ancestry of your parents was under the original interpretation of no importance. If you lived as a born person at the time of the signing you were also eligible no matter the place of your birth. The McCain/Obama arguments are not even relevant in this case. Jindahl was born within the boundaries of the United States, Ie, naturally born citizen.
Wrong...You Just made my point
The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."[10] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring "natural born" citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."[11]
In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."[11]
So they made a distinction between a citizen & natural born citizen by this act.
Also stated... Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents... U.S. Parents...Plural... means TWO.
The 14th Amendenment:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So the 14th amendenment only grants Citizenship if you were born here...Does not say Natural Born Citizenship....They could have put that in BUT DID NOT
The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."[10] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring "natural born" citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."[11]
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In 1795, Congress removed the words "natural born" from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."[11]
So they made a distinction between a citizen & natural born citizen by this act.
Also stated... Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents... U.S. Parents...Plural... means TWO.
NOW ONTO THE
The 14th Amendenment:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So the 14th amendenment only grants Citizenship if you were born here...Does not say Natural Born Citizenship....They could have put that in BUT DID NOT
Dornroeschen
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That's Why They Had a Grandfather Clause
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
Supreme Court Justices
CommittedTREASON by not blocking Obama...They are the guardians of the U.S. Constitution...They punted
Yes they all did, including Roberts who sworn him in.... ALL TRAITORS
So what happens to this country....Under Obama...well they have Culpability on their hands.
FOOTNOTE... If the Supreme Court did take up this issue & ruled in Obama's favor..well I may feel that they were wrong but it would make it legal... by not acting they Committed Treason
CommittedTREASON by not blocking Obama...They are the guardians of the U.S. Constitution...They punted
Yes they all did, including Roberts who sworn him in.... ALL TRAITORS
So what happens to this country....Under Obama...well they have Culpability on their hands.
FOOTNOTE... If the Supreme Court did take up this issue & ruled in Obama's favor..well I may feel that they were wrong but it would make it legal... by not acting they Committed Treason
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Navydad
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Your exact quote of the constitution if you weren't born here you had to be alive and resident 14 years before taking the office. That is the grandfather clause. If you were born on American soil the next day of Irish or German or whatever parents you were good to go. That according to the strictist interpretation of Article II section I.
Navydad
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Thanks You Also Made My Point
No, the 14 year residency is a seperate requirement....Natural Born Citizen & be a resident for 14 years that is TWO requirements. A third requirement you have to be 35 yrs old. So there is a total of 3 requirements.
Again, both Obama & McCain would not be covered under the Grandfather Clause unless they born back then
...so they are not Natural Born Citizens
McCain is only a citizen by the statue you stated.
No, the 14 year residency is a seperate requirement....Natural Born Citizen & be a resident for 14 years that is TWO requirements. A third requirement you have to be 35 yrs old. So there is a total of 3 requirements.
Again, both Obama & McCain would not be covered under the Grandfather Clause unless they born back then
...so they are not Natural Born CitizensMcCain is only a citizen by the statue you stated.
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