BRKG Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed
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Spoken strongly tongue-in-cheek, I suspect, but nonetheless true.
Although that section of town could well be the primary revenue source for the politicos. Killing the goose which laid the golden egg and all that ..
bw
Fringe Ranger
Not bad design, just the swiss cheese holes lining up. Putting a pipeline inline with a bridge is good thinking.
Profit of Doom
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Macgyver
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Cutting charges on bridge beams won't make much more than a ripple in the water let alone move a 200 million pound ship.
Shadow
Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
I was thinking of how well water conducts force and the great many unknowns that are under the water.
I imagine the people who do that work will take it all under consideration.
Shadow
Macgyver
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There are still thousands of feet of bridges on either side that are just in shallower water.
Small to mid size stuff can still get through.
jward
passin' thru
John Ʌ Konrad V
@johnkonrad
All week I’ve been fielding questions from journalists, government leaders and really smart people about the Baltimore Bridge disaster
The same question keeps coming up… “how do you know so much about this”
My ship license doesn’t say Ship Captain, it literally says Master Mariner. It’s not a fluff degree, it took a bachelor’s of science degree at the college with the highest dropout rate in the nation followed by 10 years of hard training at sea and batteries of testing to obtain.
It was a ton of book knowledge followed by real world application at sea, around the world
Another question I routinely get is “Why did you become a ship captain? Isn’t that a really difficult job? Didn’t you get seasick and miss home”
Hell yeah it was hard. That’s why I did it.
I did it because it feels damn good being a master at something hard. It feels good contributing to society.
John Ʌ Konrad V
@johnkonrad
It does seem coincidental but a large ship is lost on average once every week
That’s a total loss! Engine room fires like those aboard the navy ship this week don’t count, neither do barges
We just don’t notice them because most do not make the news
View: https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1774253966697918743?s=20
@johnkonrad
All week I’ve been fielding questions from journalists, government leaders and really smart people about the Baltimore Bridge disaster
The same question keeps coming up… “how do you know so much about this”
My ship license doesn’t say Ship Captain, it literally says Master Mariner. It’s not a fluff degree, it took a bachelor’s of science degree at the college with the highest dropout rate in the nation followed by 10 years of hard training at sea and batteries of testing to obtain.
It was a ton of book knowledge followed by real world application at sea, around the world
Another question I routinely get is “Why did you become a ship captain? Isn’t that a really difficult job? Didn’t you get seasick and miss home”
Hell yeah it was hard. That’s why I did it.
I did it because it feels damn good being a master at something hard. It feels good contributing to society.
John Ʌ Konrad V
@johnkonrad
It does seem coincidental but a large ship is lost on average once every week
That’s a total loss! Engine room fires like those aboard the navy ship this week don’t count, neither do barges
We just don’t notice them because most do not make the news
View: https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1774253966697918743?s=20
USMC Lady Vet
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Bridge in Oklahoma shut down after being struck by barge - According to Oklahoma Highway Patrol, US-59 south of Sallisaw is shut down after a barge struck a bridge at the Kerr Reservoir. Bridge in Oklahoma shut down after being struck by barge
via @5NEWS
View: https://twitter.com/Arkypatriot/status/1774158491411796315?s=20
energy_wave
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Weakening the USA bit by bit. One disaster at a time. Chipping away until the time is right. Look back in time at all that has happened. Once you see it, you will understand where we're headed.
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Capt. Eddie
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QFT and it pays well.
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
Boat with shallow enough draft to pass between the approach section bridge supports?
Heard on the local, Baltimore news this morning that the plan was to remove enough wreckage/debris to form a "secondary" channel to allow smaller boats, like tugs and barges, to safely move to/from the port. Then, work on getting the bridge remnants off of the Dali, get the ship out of the way (I'm guessing pulled back in to the port), and then get the main channel opened back up.
I have no idea where they are in that process.
I have no idea where they are in that process.
bw
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Macgyver
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It's not, just look at the sea charts.
Where did you get that it was under the bridge pylons?
Macgyver
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Dali Owners Deny Fault in Baltimore Key Bridge Collapse in Latest Filing in Federal Court | The Gateway Pundit | by Anthony Scott
The owner of the Dali ship that crashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore last week has filed a court filing in U.S.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Dali Owners Deny Fault in Baltimore Key Bridge Collapse in Latest Filing in Federal Court
by Anthony Scott Apr. 2, 2024 2:20 pmThe owner of the Dali ship that crashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore last week has filed a court filing in U.S. Federal Court, claiming no responsibility for the Key bridge’s collapse.
In a court petition, Dali’s owner, Grace Ocean Private Limited, “denied any fault or neglect of the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge.”
Grace Ocean Private Limited and Dali’s ship manager, Synergy Marine Pte Ltd, requested in the petition to be exonerated from all liability for the Key bridge’s collapse.
A portion of the filing obtained by Independent states, “The [bridge collapse] was not due to any fault, neglect, or want of care on the part of [ship owner & operator], the Vessel, or any persons or entities for whose acts [ship owner & operator] may be responsible.”
The filing also requests the court to cap any liability at $43.6 million.
LOOK:
Over $60 million has already been approved by the Biden administration to remove debris from where the Baltimore Port bridge collapsed.
Macgyver
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They are going to argue that the bridge should have had protection around the uprights.
Structurally deficient I think would be the term.
RememberGoliad
Veteran Member
Deflection of blame game there. When I was in Jr. High, a classmate stole a boat from us. Burnt up the little outboard engine on it. His dad's argument was if we had've locked up the boat then it wouldn't've been stolen, and his darling boy wouldn't have had it to damage, so it was Dad's fault the outboard engine was ruint.
Same argument here by the boat people, writ a bit larger.
Wildweasel
F-4 Phantoms Phorever
They would just blame it on Trump and evil corporations.
They had a dockworker's union (no idea which one) meeting yesterday evening at the Dundalk American Legion hall (located right beside the Dundalk side of the port (this is important later).... oh boy did they underestimate the number of people showing up. Parking lot jam-packed, sides of the main street and surrounding streets all packed, etc. Supposed to discuss their job status, aid available, etc etc with appropriate politicians on hand. Not sure how many people showed up but it had to have been way over recommended fire marshall limits. LOL
And in the "someone did not think this through" category - some company from the port decided that they needed to move a GIANT semi-truck rig like THIS right by the Am Legion hall, on a tiny little side street leading from the port:
about 30 minutes before the start of said union meeting. Accompanied with all kinds of police escort vehicles to stop traffic as this behemoth drove past the hall onto Dundalk Ave. (a typical, 2 lane each way, normal city street). That picture does not do it justice. It was HUGE, there is (barely visible) another semi in the back pushing, and a guy standing on a platform in the middle steering, what I guess is the flatbed itself. So that entire area was a zoo. And with the rain in the area which always makes traffic worse, my previous 30 minute commute turned into 1 hour and 20 minutes.
good times.
And in the "someone did not think this through" category - some company from the port decided that they needed to move a GIANT semi-truck rig like THIS right by the Am Legion hall, on a tiny little side street leading from the port:
about 30 minutes before the start of said union meeting. Accompanied with all kinds of police escort vehicles to stop traffic as this behemoth drove past the hall onto Dundalk Ave. (a typical, 2 lane each way, normal city street). That picture does not do it justice. It was HUGE, there is (barely visible) another semi in the back pushing, and a guy standing on a platform in the middle steering, what I guess is the flatbed itself. So that entire area was a zoo. And with the rain in the area which always makes traffic worse, my previous 30 minute commute turned into 1 hour and 20 minutes.
good times.
Macgyver
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Dockworkers usually build docks and stuff in the water.
Sure you didn't mean longshoremen?
Those are usually the dock workers.
Baltimore Bridge Collapse: US Army Corps Of Engineers Says Channel Fully Reopen By End Of May
BY TYLER DURDENFRIDAY, APR 05, 2024 - 06:45 AM
Baltimore Bridge Collapse: US Army Corps Of Engineers Says Channel Fully Reopen By End Of May | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Ten days after the catastrophic collapse of the 1.6-mile-long Francis Scott Key Bridge, blocking the critical shipping channel in and out of the Port of Baltimore, resulting in the partial freeze of the harbor, the US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE) announced in a press release late Thursday night a new "timeline for the restoration for safe navigation in and out of the Port of Baltimore."
USACE expects the Fort McHenry Channel will be operational with a "limited access channel 280 feet wide and 35 feet deep" by the end of April.
"This channel would support one-way traffic in and out of the Port of Baltimore for barge container service and some roll on/roll off vessels that move automobiles and farm equipment to and from the port," the agency said.
USACE engineers expect a much wider and permanent, 700-foot-wide by 50-foot-deep federal navigation channel by the end of May, thus restoring full access to the port.
On Sunday, Maryland Gov. Wes Moore told CNN, "We have a ship that is nearly the size of the Eiffel Tower that is now stuck within the channel that has the Key Bridge sitting on top of it."
"That water is so murky that salvage divers cannot see any more than 1 to 2 feet in front of them," Moore said, adding, "The collapse of the bridge is so distinct and so severe, with metal that is so … wrought together and pancaked that it continues to make this mission extraordinarily complicated and dangerous for those who are conducting it."
On Tuesday, USACE released 3D images of the wreckage at the bottom of the shipping channel. They said, "These 3D images show the sheer magnitude of the very difficult and challenging salvage operation ahead."
Captain John Konrad, CEO of Captain, pointed out the salvage operation could be more complicated than previously thought because of the risks the 984-foot Singapore-flagged container ship Dali is apparently "sitting atop a high-pressure underwater gas line."
As of Monday, Bloomberg data shows dozens of bulk cargo, container, and vehicle carriers were being diverted to other US East Coast ports.
According to an analysis from the International Monetary Fund's PortWatch platform, Norfolk, New York, and Charleston, South Carolina, are the ports most likely to absorb cargo.
Meanwhile, Gov. Moore and Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott are in a bind because Moody warned that the bridge collapse could spark negative credit risk events for the city and state.
Even with the channel potentially reopening at full capacity by the end of May, the bridge, an important feeder to the port, and connection to the I-95 highway network for the Mid-Atlantic - could take years to rebuild.
Tex88
Veteran Member
Stevedores?
A stevedore, dockworker and longshoreman are all the same thing. They work in the docks loading and unloading cargo.
Tex88
Veteran Member
Technically, longshoremen refers exclusively to the dockworkers, while stevedores, in a separate trade union, work on the ships, operating ship's cranes and moving cargo.
But that was before containers and ro-ro I guess.
Night Breeze
Veteran Member
Why is the owners of the ship (that happen to own 660 ships) being forced to pay for the bridge replacement and clean up. Northfolk Southern Railroads had to pay for the derailment in Ohio and a bunch more people died and have been exposed to toxins. Probably because Synergy Company the owner of the Dali is traded on the Chinese stock exchange. The official statement says the Ltd liability should be capped at 43.6 million, (admitting fault), even though clean up and rebuild will be billions. Of course US taxpayers will pay and the Chinese keep on shipping. I think the entire cargo on that ship should be seized and sold as a down payment for the bridge. If I have a wreck I am responsible and a Company that owns 660 ships worth half a billion should pony up. Wait a minute no mention of the Chinese being held responsible, I forget Biden is on the payroll.
Macgyver
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Cargo on that ship doesn't belong to the ship owners.
Biggest issue is hundred plus year old Maritime laws that have never been updated.
