BRKG Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed

Macgyver

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Body of third Baltimore bridge collapse victim recovered, 3 still missing​

Dive teams assessing how to get wreckage out after Baltimore bridge collapse

Fox News correspondent Madeleine Rivera reports from Baltimore on the efforts to clear the wreckage from the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge on 'Fox Report.'
The body of a third construction worker killed when the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore collapsed last week after it was struck by a cargo ship was recovered Friday, officials said.

Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott announced the recovery of 38-year-old Maynor Yasir Suazo-Sandoval from the Patapsco River on Friday evening.

"This evening, the Unified Command announced that divers were able to bring Maynor Yasir Suazo-Sandoval, one of the remaining missing workers, home to his family," Scott said in a statement. "While I take solace in knowing this brings us one step closer to closure, my heart continues to be with all the families still waiting anxiously for their loved ones."

FBI Evidence Response Team members work at the site of the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore on March 26. The body of a third victim of the collapse was recovered Friday. (FBI Baltimore)

"I am grateful for the first responders who have maintained focus on recovering the remaining victims and continued their work to clear the channel with the utmost care," he added. "We will continue to do everything in our power to support these families, and provide whatever they need to persevere through this unthinkable tragedy."

Salvage dive teams found what they believe was one of six missing construction workers and notified the Maryland Department of State Police. Suazo-Sandoval's body was recovered around 10:30 a.m., and his family was notified of the discovery, officials said.
Suazo-Sandoval is one of six people killed in the March 26 collapse. The other two construction workers who were recovered have been identified as 35-year-old Alejandro Hernandez Fuentes, and 26-year-old Dorlian Ronial Castillo Cabrera.

The Francis Scott Key Bridge is seen after collapsing into the water early Tuesday morning in Baltimore, Md. A cargo ship struck a support beam on the bridge, causing it to fall into the Patapsco River. (Baltimore Fire Rescue)

Their bodies were found inside a red pickup truck submerged about 25 feet deep in the middle of the Patapsco River, FOX DC reported.

The Dali cargo ship struck the bridge in the early morning hours, where a construction crew was filling potholes on the structure.
Before the crash, the vessel lost power and a mayday alert was issued, which allowed just enough time for police to stop traffic. Eight construction workers were on break when the bridge collapsed. Two were rescued, and the remaining six were presumed dead the next day.
Biden receives briefing on Baltimore bridge collapse

President Joe Biden participates in an operational briefing on the response and recovery efforts of the collapsed Francis Scott Key Bridge, Friday, April 5, 2024 in Dundalk, Md., as Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, right, looks on. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

"There are families still waiting to hear if we have found their loved one. I can promise you, we are fully committed to finding closure for each of these families," Col. Roland Butler, Jr., superintendent of the Maryland Department of State Police, said in a statement.

On Friday, President Biden visited the site of the collapse and promised to rebuild the structure with help from the federal government.
 

jward

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Macgyver

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BREAKING: A NY tugboat captain has reported to @gCaptain “container ship APL QINGDAO lost power while transiting New York harbor. They had 3 escort tugs but 3 more were needed to bring her under control. They regained power & were brought to anchor near the verrazano bridge”
View: https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1776786983097966862
The Verrazano is safe.
The uprights are almost against the shores built on man made islands only in a couple feet of water.
Ship would be grounded way before it could even touch the islands.
 

homecanner1

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Yeah saw that yesterday and was tempted to post the tweet here.

Then thought: another day, another bridge too far, its probably ol joker nefarious at work again. But then hey that's woo as the cool kids say. Nobody is targeting the damn infrastructure hc, just calm down.

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Crane collapse in Fort Lauderdale made me laugh out loud, that vehicle got its back broke.

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After the 3rd one its Enemy Action.
 

jward

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John Ʌ Konrad V
@johnkonrad

UPDATE: incident has been confirmed by the US Coast Guard:

“Coast Guard Vessel Traffic Service New York received a report from the M/V Qingdao around 8:30pm, Saturday, that the vessel had experienced a loss of propulsion in the Kill Van Kull waterway,” a Coast Guard spokesperson told The NY Post in a statement Sunday.

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John Ʌ Konrad V
@johnkonrad

BREAKING: A NY tugboat captain has reported to @gCaptain “container ship APL QINGDAO lost power while transiting New York harbor. They had 3 escort tugs but 3 more were needed to bring her under control. They regained power & were brought to anchor near the verrazano bridge”
View: https://twitter.com/johnkonrad/status/1776786983097966862
 

jward

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John Ʌ Konrad V
@johnkonrad

This is the best video on possible reasons for the MV Dali I’ve seen. Not surprising because Makoi is a talented chief engineer

Key points:

Ship likely never regained propulsion, main engine likely never restarted

Emergency generator failed to start immediately

Black smoke is most curious evidence

Fuel related problems most likely cause but unlikely filter clog

Human error or sabotage possible

Switchboard electrical failure possible but unlikely

Tug assistance certainly could have prevented this

Overall this is a very deep dive. The only question I have that wasn’t answered is: what if the bridge tried to start the bow thruster after the generator restarted? Could that have overloaded the system?

Watch the full rundown

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View: https://youtu.be/jxeKXjDVqMA?si=TLlTblsgKJeOuMbo


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jward

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John Ʌ Konrad V
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Yeah but IMHO that’s the root cause of all this damn speculation… nobody who is an expert is willing to talk.

This is the perfect opportunity to inform the nation what we do and eliminate ridiculous theories. But without expert opinion the rumors tun wild


I know I’m deeply in the minority on this point (especially among American mariners) but I feel this culture of silence is deeply hurting our own interests.

I don’t believe a Chief Engineer should speculate or jump to conclusions but should take the time to explain how these systems work.

And explain the shoreside systems and federal regulations (e.g. Flag Of Convenience inspection schemes) that we all know need more attention.

But getting anyone truly expert to talk is like pulling teeth so the media runs with people who don’t necessarily know what they are talking about.

Why is our culture like this? Why do we yell at and admonish (you should see my DMs from fellow mariners) people who are just trying to correct wrong information?

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mecoastie

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John Ʌ Konrad V
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Yeah but IMHO that’s the root cause of all this damn speculation… nobody who is an expert is willing to talk.

This is the perfect opportunity to inform the nation what we do and eliminate ridiculous theories. But without expert opinion the rumors tun wild


I know I’m deeply in the minority on this point (especially among American mariners) but I feel this culture of silence is deeply hurting our own interests.

I don’t believe a Chief Engineer should speculate or jump to conclusions but should take the time to explain how these systems work.

And explain the shoreside systems and federal regulations (e.g. Flag Of Convenience inspection schemes) that we all know need more attention.

But getting anyone truly expert to talk is like pulling teeth so the media runs with people who don’t necessarily know what they are talking about.

Why is our culture like this? Why do we yell at and admonish (you should see my DMs from fellow mariners) people who are just trying to correct wrong information?

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Went to school with Jeremy Allen. One of the smartest guys around. He is both a Master Mariner as well as a First Asst Engineer so he knows both sides of the house very well. I think he is right. I have seen several different statements/ theories from folks in the profession. We really won’t know for sure until the investigation is complete.
 

Ogre

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FBI opens criminal investigation into Baltimore bridge collapse, AP source says​

(They had to wait until their top men were available.)

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation into the deadly collapse of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge that is focused on the circumstances leading up to it and whether all federal laws were followed

FBI opens criminal investigation into Baltimore bridge collapse, AP source saysBy ERIC TUCKER and SARAH BRUMFIELDAssociated PressThe Associated Press

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation into the deadly collapse of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge that is focused on the circumstances leading up to it and whether all federal laws were followed, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The person was not authorized to discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity to The Associated Press.

The FBI was present aboard the cargo ship Dali conducting court authorized law enforcement activity, the agency said in a statement Monday.

The investigation was first reported by The Washington Post.

And on Monday, Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott announced a partnership with two law firms to “launch legal action to hold the wrongdoers responsible” and mitigate harm to city residents.

The container ship Dali left Baltimore’s port in the early hours of March 26, laden with cargo and headed for Sri Lanka, when it struck one of the bridge’s supporting columns, causing the span to collapse into the Patapsco River and sending six members of a roadwork crew plunging to their deaths.

Divers have recovered three bodies from the underwater wreckage, while the remaining three victims are still unaccounted for.

National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy said last week that investigators are focusing on the electrical power system of the massive container ship that veered off course. The ship experienced power issues moments before the crash, as evidenced in videos showing its lights going out and coming back on.

Homendy said information gleaned from the vessel’s voyage data recorder is relatively basic, “so that information in the engine room will help us tremendously.”

Monday’s statement from Baltimore said the city “will take decisive action to hold responsible all entities accountable for the Key Bridge tragedy, including the owner, charterer, manager/operator, and the manufacturer of the M/V Dali, as well as any other potentially liable third parties.”

“We are continuing to do everything in our power to support everyone impacted here and will continue to recognize the human impact this event has had,” Scott said in a statement. “Part of that work needs to be seeking recourse from those who may potentially be responsible, and with the ship’s owner filing a petition to limit its liability mere days after the incident, we need to act equally as quickly to protect the City’s interests.”
 

Zardoz

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I find this particularly hilarious...NOW, they are concerned about Federal Laws....

focused on the circumstances leading up to it and whether all federal laws were followed
 

vector7

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bw

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Exclusive intel reveals that the attack on The Francis Scott Key Bridge was a TERRORIST ATTACK launched by the Chinese Communist Party on American soil, using “remote towing” technology on the “The DALI”.
Total BS regarding the Dali. Whether the Chinese can disrupt other control systems is a separate issue and seems plausible.

Before you accept that the Dali crash was an attack, look who benefits from calling it an attack.
 

energy_wave

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Total BS regarding the Dali. Whether the Chinese can disrupt other control systems is a separate issue and seems plausible.

Before you accept that the Dali crash was an attack, look who benefits from calling it an attack.
How does it explain the black smoke coming from the stack as they had engine room issues.

More like bad fuel to me.
 

RememberGoliad

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How does it explain the black smoke coming from the stack as they had engine room issues.

More like bad fuel to me.

Black smoke, billowing like that, is usually indicative of too much fuel, not too little or contaminated.

My first take when I saw the video was that whoever was in charge of the throttle was rollin' coal to get that thing pointed at the bridge. Only other explanation that beats the smell test is if it got stuck at full throttle with all the electrical issues....or ran away....
 

Slydersan

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Heard on the radio this morning that they found a 4th body and identified it. But the family doesn't want the name released for now. Think they said something about finding it in one of the construction vehicles.
 

homecanner1

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And a CRIMINAL probe has now been opened. That was dismissed as woo speculation within the first few hours. And now suddenly sabotage is in play and being investigated. Gullibility and disbelief of the public is baked into the cake. This can't be happening? Our critical infrastructure is being attacked? Say it ain't so Pete.

But it appears it is.

 

bw

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And a CRIMINAL probe has now been opened. That was dismissed as woo speculation within the first few hours.
It's still woo. This is an accident investigation that is the domain of the NTSB. If someone wants to make it criminal, it's because someone benefits by adding drama.

"The investigation will look into the events that led up to when the ship left the port, the sources said, and part of inquiry involves whether the crew knew the vessel had potential mechanical problems that would have made it unsafe in the harbor."

In other words, a normal accident investigation. When the accident investigation has found conclusions, THEN it's time for criminal prosecution IF the conclusions lead there.
 

Slydersan

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The way the local news has talked about the FBI investigation is that they are looking at the accident to see if any laws were broken - hence the "criminal investigation". Broken laws would be things like people knew the engine or the wiring, etc. (for example) were faulty or improperly fixed and they decided to leave port anyways. (again only an example). They are simply investigating for violations of law. Not looking for terrorists, evidence of Chinese hacking, etc.

edited to add - and besides FBI is a gov't agency. They all sprint to where the latest pot of money is, to try and get a piece of that pie. And Biden just promised an "unlimited" amount of cash to cleanup/replace the bridge. So OF COURSE all the gov't agencies are going to show up.
 

Shadow

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I found this chief marine engineer's explanation to be the most clear regarding the events on that ship.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxeKXjDVqMA

RT 23:47
The core of his detailed explanation is that the emergency generator was on and providing rudder control during the second power outage. He demonstrates this in the video of the ship. The rest is a concise explanation if the ships workings from a power and propulsion viewpoint.


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BornFree

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How does it explain the black smoke coming from the stack as they had engine room issues.

More like bad fuel to me.
One explanation I heard was that those giant engines are started using compressed air and that they blow out a lot of stuff in the process of being started. So it could be the result of actually trying to restart the engines. I don't know if that is true or not.
 

Old Greek

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The way the local news has talked about the FBI investigation is that they are looking at the accident to see if any laws were broken - hence the "criminal investigation". Broken laws would be things like people knew the engine or the wiring, etc. (for example) were faulty or improperly fixed and they decided to leave port anyways. (again only an example). They are simply investigating for violations of law. Not looking for terrorists, evidence of Chinese hacking, etc.

edited to add - and besides FBI is a gov't agency. They all sprint to where the latest pot of money is, to try and get a piece of that pie. And Biden just promised an "unlimited" amount of cash to cleanup/replace the bridge. So OF COURSE all the gov't agencies are going to show up.
As corrupt as our FBI is, it would not surprise me they get involved to cover their involvement!
 

Macgyver

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One explanation I heard was that those giant engines are started using compressed air and that they blow out a lot of stuff in the process of being started. So it could be the result of actually trying to restart the engines. I don't know if that is true or not.
So there are 2 ways. There are air powered starter motors. Which is not what's in use here.

What they do with these huge engines is blow the air in a sequence starting with whatever piston is at tip dead center.
Once it starts to spin they turn on the fuel and turn off the air.
 

Wildweasel

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The way the local news has talked about the FBI investigation is that they are looking at the accident to see if any laws were broken - hence the "criminal investigation". Broken laws would be things like people knew the engine or the wiring, etc. (for example) were faulty or improperly fixed and they decided to leave port anyways. (again only an example). They are simply investigating for violations of law. Not looking for terrorists, evidence of Chinese hacking, etc.

edited to add - and besides FBI is a gov't agency. They all sprint to where the latest pot of money is, to try and get a piece of that pie. And Biden just promised an "unlimited" amount of cash to cleanup/replace the bridge. So OF COURSE all the gov't agencies are going to show up.
I hear the FAA will announce they're joining the investigation tomorrow and will announce the contract for total renovation of their headquarters day after tomorrow.
 

Zardoz

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Federal law is the FBI bailiwick. They can't do accident investigation - that's the NTSB.
YES. But, by stating Federal Law may have been violated, (Border Laws, Drug Laws, excluded of course) they, the FBI can claim that it's neccessary for more restrictions and suspensions of everyones rights,...you know, because,...It's For Your Safety.
 
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