BRKG Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Going to be a lot of underwater cutting going on?

Some divers are about to get fat.

I wouldn't want to work that demo.
I saw it pull up what looked like a lane-change-sign with a generator attached to it, and put it on the same deck the crane is on, so it's possible they just have it out there pulling up the things possibly leaking fuel into the river, rather than having it in place to move the bridge.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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The Chesapeake 1000 can lift up to 1,000 tons.



I can't even fathom the weight per length of span.

Those numbers are way outside of my scope, I've only worked up to about 15 tons.


Many returns of a generic search, "crane onsite at bridge collapse", if anybody's interested.
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Current screen grab from the livestream, showing another crane. I cut the bottom off (just water, nothing else) so the TB server wouldn't complain about the image being too big.

Next to the bridge pieces, it doesn't look that big, but next to the tugs, it's huge.



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Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sal says they should hook up a bunch of tugs and just drag the sucker.

We had a floating bridge in trouble near Seattle a few years back. Hooked up some tugs and they sat there for a couple weeks, pulling on it in place of missing anchors. Kind of interesting.
While they could easily do that there are no anchor zones parallel to bridge on both sides for underwater cables or pipes. So they would end up wrecking that.

Friend used to work on tugs up in NYC. Years ago when they were trying to pull the Intrepid out for dry dock the company doing to job had to put out a call to get more tugs because it was so stuck in the mud.

My friend estimated they had 80-90,000 Horse power worth of tugs tied to the intrepid before they finally pulled it loose.
They were one of the tugs the responded to the assist.
 
Going to be a lot of underwater cutting going on?

Some divers are about to get fat.

I wouldn't want to work that demo.

I've seen news articles saying it's one of the biggest cranes on the east coast, and if that's the case, I'm thinking they're going to need to look farther out for something bigger. Unless they're going to cut the bridge up to move it, I don't think this crane's going to do it.
So cut it up. Anything we can see can be easily cut. Some underwater work, but that’s not impossible, just expensive.
 

Macgyver

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I can't even fathom the weight per length of span.

Those numbers are way outside of my scope, I've only worked up to about 15 tons.


Many returns of a generic search, "crane onsite at bridge collapse", if anybody's interested.
This 1000 ton crane is the biggest in the area.
It no where near the biggest, there are a couple out there that can do 20,000 tons.
If one of those were local they could pick the whole thing up at once, drive it out sea and just dump it in deep water.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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This 1000 ton crane is the biggest in the area.
It no where near the biggest, there are a couple out there that can do 20,000 tons.
If one of those were local they could pick the whole thing up at once, drive it out sea and just dump it in deep water.

Yeah, early on, I thought they might have to bring a big boy up from the oil patch in the gulf.

May be easier/cheeper/faster to cut it up and move pieces with what's locally available.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Sal says they should hook up a bunch of tugs and just drag the sucker.

We had a floating bridge in trouble near Seattle a few years back. Hooked up some tugs and they sat there for a couple weeks, pulling on it in place of missing anchors. Kind of interesting.

Cut it underwater…?

Then air bag it to the surface, tow it, and scrap it out to sea?
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Why are we paying for this? Shouldn't the ship's company and their insurance be paying for this and a new bridge?
Has this already been discussed? If so, apologies.
It'll be years before the liability issues are resolved. Theoretically, we pay for it now and the insurance companies reimburse us once the courts decide blame and liability. In reality, a lot of pockets are going to be lined, and the taxpayers are likely screwed.
 

Bubble Head

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I’ve used detcord wrapping. It is quick but dangerous. Once you figure out the charge you need you simply go down and do the wrap. The dangerous part is the electric blasting caps you hook to the charge. They are very sensitive to radar and sonar along with other frequencies. Before making a shot you have to pretty much shut the harbor down to the influences. Other than that it is way quicker than cutting by torch. I would opt for blasting.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Why are we paying for this? Shouldn't the ship's company and their insurance be paying for this and a new bridge?
Has this already been discussed? If so, apologies.
Probably take 10 years to get all the litigation gets done.
Can/will the port of Baltimore impound that boat?

Just for starters
Maybe the boat but the contents don't belong to the boat owner.

So if they impounded it, thousands of insurance companies will be going after Baltimore to recoup the claims they will have to pay out on the cargo.

Plus its not like the owner is in Ohio and its a car.
Foreign owners that will create diplomatic issues.
 

Greywolf036

Contributing Member

Pennsylvania agriculture industry scrambling after indefinite closure of Baltimore port​

Looks like a massive disruption of farm fertilizer just as they are going into growing season.


Rt 2:15

Yes, that could be an issue. I used to haul bulk fertilizer out of the port, up into PA.
NOW that particular port, was on the North side of the bay, and they not only loaded trucks, but trains, which went all over the country.

Folks, ya all might just wanna be planting gardens. Things just might get a bit lean
 

psychrn

Senior Member
Yes, that could be an issue. I used to haul bulk fertilizer out of the port, up into PA.
NOW that particular port, was on the North side of the bay, and they not only loaded trucks, but trains, which went all over the country.

Folks, ya all might just wanna be planting gardens. Things just might get a bit lean
I just bought next year's coal for my stoker, which is our primary heat source.
I'll take delivery in July, but as I told the guy at the lumber yard, I'm thinking that with an increased rail burden, the prices might rise. He replied "They sure could".
 

jward

passin' thru

Woke America eyes booting Francis Scott Key's name from rebuilt Baltimore bridge​



Replacing the Francis Scott Key Bridge will take years, billions of dollars and probably come with an entirely new name.

While much of the span remains submerged in the Patapsco River in Baltimore, there are already murmurs about naming the future bridge after someone other than Key, who wrote America’s national anthem and was a slave owner.

“President Joe Biden has pledged that the bridge will be rebuilt. Absolutely. Do that. But when it’s rebuilt, let’s rename it, too,” journalist Wayne Washington wrote in The Root, a Black news media site.




The bridge was named after Key in part because of its location.

According to the Maryland Preservation, historians believe the bridge stood within 100 yards of where Key was detained on the British flagship HMS Tonnant during the War of 1812, and where he wrote the poem that later became the “Star-Spangled Banner.”

But Key’s reputation has taken a hit in recent years along with other historical figures who owned slaves. Key also represented slaveholders in court and was a proponent of racist views.

As a lawyer, he also represented slaves seeking freedom and he asserted “all men are free.” But he held eight enslaved people when he died.

The National Park Service describes Key as having had “a conflicted relationship with slavery.”

There have been efforts for several years to strip Key’s name off buildings and to rid his likeness, particularly in the wake of the protests following the death of George Floyd, a Black man killed while in police custody.

Dozens of public buildings across the country have been renamed to rid them of connections to people who owned slaves or promoted segregation and racism. Congress also ordered the Pentagon to rename nine military installations as well as hundreds of streets and buildings associated with Confederate soldiers.

Many believe the collapse of the bridge will leave Key’s name buried along with it.

Rep. Mike Collins, Georgia Republican, asked his followers on social media to predict a name for the new bridge.

Baltimore obviously won’t rename the new bridge after Francis Scott Key again,” he said.

A new bridge, some believe, should be named after other historical figures in Maryland such as Black abolitionists Frederick Douglass or Harriet Tubman, or perhaps Thurgood Marshall, the first Black Supreme Court Justice.

“We should not, in 2020-whenever-the-bridge-is-rebuilt, be naming things in honor of former slaveholders,” Mr. Washington wrote in The Root.

Key was a Maryland native and died in Baltimore, where a statue on N. Eutaw Street was erected in 1911.

The monument was splattered in red paint by activists in 2017 and tagged with the words “racist anthem” on its base.

Key’s poem that inspired the national anthem included four stanzas and some believe part of the third — “No refuge could save the hireling and slave/From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave” — was aimed at mocking slaves who were enticed by the British to join their side in exchange for refuge and land after the war ended.

Key has enough negative baggage to have landed on the target list for possible name changes to public schools in Montgomery County, Maryland.

County school officials have held public meetings to consider renaming six schools named after men who owned slaves, among them Francis Scott Key Middle School in Silver Spring.

Students and residents also launched a petition to change the name to a Black historical figure, such as Harriet Tubman, who helped free slaves through the Underground Railroad, and to ditch Francis Scott Key.

“It’s important to learn about the wrongs he’s done and why he shouldn’t be honored through the name of a middle school,” an 8th-grade student wrote on the petition.

 

Macgyver

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Woke America eyes booting Francis Scott Key's name from rebuilt Baltimore bridge​



Replacing the Francis Scott Key Bridge will take years, billions of dollars and probably come with an entirely new name.

While much of the span remains submerged in the Patapsco River in Baltimore, there are already murmurs about naming the future bridge after someone other than Key, who wrote America’s national anthem and was a slave owner.

“President Joe Biden has pledged that the bridge will be rebuilt. Absolutely. Do that. But when it’s rebuilt, let’s rename it, too,” journalist Wayne Washington wrote in The Root, a Black news media site.




The bridge was named after Key in part because of its location.

According to the Maryland Preservation, historians believe the bridge stood within 100 yards of where Key was detained on the British flagship HMS Tonnant during the War of 1812, and where he wrote the poem that later became the “Star-Spangled Banner.”

But Key’s reputation has taken a hit in recent years along with other historical figures who owned slaves. Key also represented slaveholders in court and was a proponent of racist views.

As a lawyer, he also represented slaves seeking freedom and he asserted “all men are free.” But he held eight enslaved people when he died.

The National Park Service describes Key as having had “a conflicted relationship with slavery.”

There have been efforts for several years to strip Key’s name off buildings and to rid his likeness, particularly in the wake of the protests following the death of George Floyd, a Black man killed while in police custody.

Dozens of public buildings across the country have been renamed to rid them of connections to people who owned slaves or promoted segregation and racism. Congress also ordered the Pentagon to rename nine military installations as well as hundreds of streets and buildings associated with Confederate soldiers.

Many believe the collapse of the bridge will leave Key’s name buried along with it.

Rep. Mike Collins, Georgia Republican, asked his followers on social media to predict a name for the new bridge.

Baltimore obviously won’t rename the new bridge after Francis Scott Key again,” he said.

A new bridge, some believe, should be named after other historical figures in Maryland such as Black abolitionists Frederick Douglass or Harriet Tubman, or perhaps Thurgood Marshall, the first Black Supreme Court Justice.

“We should not, in 2020-whenever-the-bridge-is-rebuilt, be naming things in honor of former slaveholders,” Mr. Washington wrote in The Root.

Key was a Maryland native and died in Baltimore, where a statue on N. Eutaw Street was erected in 1911.

The monument was splattered in red paint by activists in 2017 and tagged with the words “racist anthem” on its base.

Key’s poem that inspired the national anthem included four stanzas and some believe part of the third — “No refuge could save the hireling and slave/From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave” — was aimed at mocking slaves who were enticed by the British to join their side in exchange for refuge and land after the war ended.

Key has enough negative baggage to have landed on the target list for possible name changes to public schools in Montgomery County, Maryland.

County school officials have held public meetings to consider renaming six schools named after men who owned slaves, among them Francis Scott Key Middle School in Silver Spring.

Students and residents also launched a petition to change the name to a Black historical figure, such as Harriet Tubman, who helped free slaves through the Underground Railroad, and to ditch Francis Scott Key.

“It’s important to learn about the wrongs he’s done and why he shouldn’t be honored through the name of a middle school,” an 8th-grade student wrote on the petition.

Well thankfully it will be built while trump is in office.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Woke America eyes booting Francis Scott Key's name from rebuilt Baltimore bridge
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Macgyver

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Baltimore bridge collapse: Powerful crane linked to CIA secret Cold War mission arrives to clean up debris​

Published March 29, 2024 1:45pm EDT
A powerful floating crane that played a role in what the CIA says was one of the "greatest intelligence coups of the Cold War" has arrived at the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse site in Baltimore to start removing debris.

The Chesapeake 1000, which Unified Command tells Fox News Digital can "carry up to 1,000 tons," arrived late last night at the wreckage site in the Patapsco River, where the remains of four construction workers are still missing following Tuesday’s collapse.

The crane originally was built as the Sun 800 in 1972 to help construct the Hughes Glomar Explorer, a deep-sea vessel used by the CIA in a secret mission called "Project AZORIAN" to recover a Soviet nuclear submarine that sank in the Pacific Ocean during the Cold War, according to the Engineering News-Record.
It later had its capacity increased from 800 to 1,000 tons and was bought by New Jersey-based Donjon Marine Co. Inc. in 1993, which confirmed the details of the report to Fox News Digital on Friday.
Chesapeake 1000 floating crane

The Chesapeake 1000 floating crane in Baltimore, Maryland, on Friday, March 29. (Griff Jenkins/Fox News)

Donjon Marine Co. Inc. says on its website that the floating crane barge is nearly 200 feet long and has a boom of 231 feet. Maryland Gov. Wes Moore described it Thursday as the "the largest crane in the Eastern seaboard."
The cargo ship Dali struck a pillar of the bridge on Tuesday, causing it to collapse and killing six.

On Thursday, the Key Bridge Response 2024 Unified Command – which is made up of the Coast Guard, Army Corps of Engineers, Maryland State Police and other agencies – said "on-scene crews continue to assess and monitor for spilled oils and hazardous substances to prevent further discharge or release into the marine environment."

"First responders have observed a sheen around the vessel. There are 56 total containers loaded on the vessel that contained hazardous materials," it added in a statement. "Fourteen were impacted. The 14 that were impacted were assessed by an industrial hygienist for potential hazards."
In this image taken from video released by the National Transportation and Safety Board, the cargo ship Dali is stuck under part of the structure of the Francis Scott Key Bridge after the ship hit the bridge, on Tuesday, March 26, 2024. (NTSB/AP)

The CIA says Project AZORIAN came to be after K-129, a "Soviet Golf II-class submarine carrying three SS-N-4 nuclear-armed ballistic missiles," sank in 1968 about 1,800 miles northwest of Hawaii.

The ship used in that mission, the Hughes Glomar Explorer, was "ostensibly a commercial deep-sea mining vessel ostensibly built and owned by billionaire Howard Hughes, who provided the plausible cover story that his ship was conducting marine research at extreme ocean depths and mining manganese nodules lying on the sea bottom," according to the CIA.

The Explorer eventually pulled up a part of the submarine in 1974 that included the bodies of six Soviets, but another part broke off about halfway to the surface, the CIA says. A second mission to recover that lost portion was scuttled after details of the program were exposed by the media a year later.

The Glomar Explorer ship is seen anchored in the U.S. Navy's National Defense Reserve Fleet in Suisan Bay, California in this U.S. Navy handout file photo taken on May 15, 1977. The ship was built by the CIA for a secret Cold War mission in 1974 to raise a sunken Soviet sub. Christened the Hughes Glomar Explorer, after billionaire Howard Hughes was brought in on the CIA's deception, the 619-foot vessel eventually became part of the fleet of ships used by Swiss company Transocean to drill for oil. (Reuters/US Navy/Archives Branch, Naval History and Heritage Command, Washington)
"Although Project AZORIAN failed to meet its full intelligence objectives, CIA considered the operation to be one of the greatest intelligence coups of the Cold War," it said.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
I spent a few weeks at sea on the Glomar Explorer...

Mongo & Wildweasel…. Deleted OPEN SIDE of forum.

Sorry: Just to say, a relative of an old friend had someone helping out on that vessel at the time of hush work in a lesser position.

It was Open Info by the time I heard of it in the late 80’s.
 
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Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
I spent a few weeks at sea on the Glomar Explorer...
Knew a guy in AF tech school who was in the engine room during the mission. Was having a helluva time getting a security clearance because the CIA red-listed everyone on the ship after the story broke.

Told some funny stories about family at home asking about "How was South Africa?" after reading the cover stories when they definitely weren't hunting manganese nodules off Africa.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.

Woke America eyes booting Francis Scott Key's name from rebuilt Baltimore bridge​



Replacing the Francis Scott Key Bridge will take years, billions of dollars and probably come with an entirely new name.

While much of the span remains submerged in the Patapsco River in Baltimore, there are already murmurs about naming the future bridge after someone other than Key, who wrote America’s national anthem and was a slave owner.

“President Joe Biden has pledged that the bridge will be rebuilt. Absolutely. Do that. But when it’s rebuilt, let’s rename it, too,” journalist Wayne Washington wrote in The Root, a Black news media site.




The bridge was named after Key in part because of its location.

According to the Maryland Preservation, historians believe the bridge stood within 100 yards of where Key was detained on the British flagship HMS Tonnant during the War of 1812, and where he wrote the poem that later became the “Star-Spangled Banner.”

But Key’s reputation has taken a hit in recent years along with other historical figures who owned slaves. Key also represented slaveholders in court and was a proponent of racist views.

As a lawyer, he also represented slaves seeking freedom and he asserted “all men are free.” But he held eight enslaved people when he died.

The National Park Service describes Key as having had “a conflicted relationship with slavery.”

There have been efforts for several years to strip Key’s name off buildings and to rid his likeness, particularly in the wake of the protests following the death of George Floyd, a Black man killed while in police custody.

Dozens of public buildings across the country have been renamed to rid them of connections to people who owned slaves or promoted segregation and racism. Congress also ordered the Pentagon to rename nine military installations as well as hundreds of streets and buildings associated with Confederate soldiers.

Many believe the collapse of the bridge will leave Key’s name buried along with it.

Rep. Mike Collins, Georgia Republican, asked his followers on social media to predict a name for the new bridge.

Baltimore obviously won’t rename the new bridge after Francis Scott Key again,” he said.

A new bridge, some believe, should be named after other historical figures in Maryland such as Black abolitionists Frederick Douglass or Harriet Tubman, or perhaps Thurgood Marshall, the first Black Supreme Court Justice.

“We should not, in 2020-whenever-the-bridge-is-rebuilt, be naming things in honor of former slaveholders,” Mr. Washington wrote in The Root.

Key was a Maryland native and died in Baltimore, where a statue on N. Eutaw Street was erected in 1911.

The monument was splattered in red paint by activists in 2017 and tagged with the words “racist anthem” on its base.

Key’s poem that inspired the national anthem included four stanzas and some believe part of the third — “No refuge could save the hireling and slave/From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave” — was aimed at mocking slaves who were enticed by the British to join their side in exchange for refuge and land after the war ended.

Key has enough negative baggage to have landed on the target list for possible name changes to public schools in Montgomery County, Maryland.

County school officials have held public meetings to consider renaming six schools named after men who owned slaves, among them Francis Scott Key Middle School in Silver Spring.

Students and residents also launched a petition to change the name to a Black historical figure, such as Harriet Tubman, who helped free slaves through the Underground Railroad, and to ditch Francis Scott Key.

“It’s important to learn about the wrongs he’s done and why he shouldn’t be honored through the name of a middle school,” an 8th-grade student wrote on the petition.


Woke can go blow sm0ke out their leaky gaskets.

I’ll refrain.
 
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wobble

Veteran Member

Woke America eyes booting Francis Scott Key's name from rebuilt Baltimore bridge​



Replacing the Francis Scott Key Bridge will take years, billions of dollars and probably come with an entirely new name.

While much of the span remains submerged in the Patapsco River in Baltimore, there are already murmurs about naming the future bridge after someone other than Key, who wrote America’s national anthem and was a slave owner.

“President Joe Biden has pledged that the bridge will be rebuilt. Absolutely. Do that. But when it’s rebuilt, let’s rename it, too,” journalist Wayne Washington wrote in The Root, a Black news media site.




The bridge was named after Key in part because of its location.

According to the Maryland Preservation, historians believe the bridge stood within 100 yards of where Key was detained on the British flagship HMS Tonnant during the War of 1812, and where he wrote the poem that later became the “Star-Spangled Banner.”

But Key’s reputation has taken a hit in recent years along with other historical figures who owned slaves. Key also represented slaveholders in court and was a proponent of racist views.

As a lawyer, he also represented slaves seeking freedom and he asserted “all men are free.” But he held eight enslaved people when he died.

The National Park Service describes Key as having had “a conflicted relationship with slavery.”

There have been efforts for several years to strip Key’s name off buildings and to rid his likeness, particularly in the wake of the protests following the death of George Floyd, a Black man killed while in police custody.

Dozens of public buildings across the country have been renamed to rid them of connections to people who owned slaves or promoted segregation and racism. Congress also ordered the Pentagon to rename nine military installations as well as hundreds of streets and buildings associated with Confederate soldiers.

Many believe the collapse of the bridge will leave Key’s name buried along with it.

Rep. Mike Collins, Georgia Republican, asked his followers on social media to predict a name for the new bridge.

Baltimore obviously won’t rename the new bridge after Francis Scott Key again,” he said.

A new bridge, some believe, should be named after other historical figures in Maryland such as Black abolitionists Frederick Douglass or Harriet Tubman, or perhaps Thurgood Marshall, the first Black Supreme Court Justice.

“We should not, in 2020-whenever-the-bridge-is-rebuilt, be naming things in honor of former slaveholders,” Mr. Washington wrote in The Root.

Key was a Maryland native and died in Baltimore, where a statue on N. Eutaw Street was erected in 1911.

The monument was splattered in red paint by activists in 2017 and tagged with the words “racist anthem” on its base.

Key’s poem that inspired the national anthem included four stanzas and some believe part of the third — “No refuge could save the hireling and slave/From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave” — was aimed at mocking slaves who were enticed by the British to join their side in exchange for refuge and land after the war ended.

Key has enough negative baggage to have landed on the target list for possible name changes to public schools in Montgomery County, Maryland.

County school officials have held public meetings to consider renaming six schools named after men who owned slaves, among them Francis Scott Key Middle School in Silver Spring.

Students and residents also launched a petition to change the name to a Black historical figure, such as Harriet Tubman, who helped free slaves through the Underground Railroad, and to ditch Francis Scott Key.

“It’s important to learn about the wrongs he’s done and why he shouldn’t be honored through the name of a middle school,” an 8th-grade student wrote on the petition.


Will the funding to rebuild require a renaming adherent to DEI/Woke values?
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
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Picture taken by my friend from the tug he works on. About noon today.

I asked him if there was any crane work going on for removal. He said no. They had to go to the Dock, close by to get fuel today.

He just texted and said a big crane is on the way but not there yet.

Boots on the ground er on the tug report from a friend.
 
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