EBOLA DR BEING TESTED FOR EBOLA IN NYC

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Dash

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This guy has been using Uber and taxis to get around since he's been back. Unless he's been using a credit card to pay the taxis it is going to be difficult to track the taxis that he has used.

What is really frightening is the thought that he may have used the Subway system to get around. I can't imagine the number potentially infected by one cough or sneeze in a subway car.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Sluggishness, tiredness, fatigue, is one of the 1st symptoms. The Dr KNOWS this but decided the "Fever" was the bellweather.

Who knows where this dud dude went all the days he was feeling sluggish. At least his girlfriend realized enough to be "very agitated." Duh.

" ... A woman at the Bellevue Hospital information desk identified herself to a staff member as the fianceé of the patient. She appeared very agitated and declined to comment. ... "

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/23/us-health-ebola-newyork-idUSKCN0IC2CU20141023
 

rummer

Veteran Member
Dr Spencer Specialty is Emergency Medicine. That means as an ER Doctor, he has most likely seen a couple of hundred patients since he has been back and if he was working.
 

Beach

Veteran Member
This guy has been using Uber and taxis to get around since he's been back. Unless he's been using a credit card to pay the taxis it is going to be difficult to track the taxis that he has used.

What is really frightening is the thought that he may have used the Subway system to get around. I can't imagine the number potentially infected by one cough or sneeze in a subway car.

And if he paid with cash, it's going to be impossible to track where all the cash went. How long does the virus survive on surfaces like cash?

Beach: wanting to add an "L" to my name.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
"Sources said Spencer went bowling last night in Williamsburg and took an Uber car to get there and back, 1010 WINS’ Carol D’Auria reported."

"He developed a fever, nausea, pain and fatigue Wednesday night, officials says" <-- that's when he was out bowling

And who was he bowling WITH?

His girlfriend? others?

And (sorry for how this sounds, but I don't know any other way to say it) how many other people have handled that ball since?

(or worn his shoes, if he rented them?)


ETA---I see others have already thought of this. Thread moving too fast as I read madly to catch up...
 

Beach

Veteran Member
And who was he bowling WITH?

His girlfriend? others?

And (sorry for how this sounds, but I don't know any other way to say it) how many other people have handled that ball since?

(or worn his shoes, if he rented them?)

And how many other balls rolled over/through the same alleys and return mechanisms?
 

library lady

Veteran Member
The population of NYC is around 8.4 million. This is by far and away one of the worst places to have an Ebola outbreak. It is a hub for national and international travel, with direct flights to everywhere. Shutting down any part of it would result in international panic. Not that I don't like Dallas -- I have family in TX -- but this possibility is even more scary.

I, too, hope the test comes back as something else. Anything else.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And 3... 2... 1....

There's no reason to panic; we KNOW how to control this; we KNOW how to keep you safe...

This doc was with the most professional and dedicated teams - the MSF - in W. Africa. And he blew his quarantine?!

OY.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
If the reporting on this turns out to be accurate (and we already know about Ms. Famous TV Doctor who went out for a snack while supposed to be in quarantine) than starting now, as of this instant; any health care worker who returns voluntarily or otherwise from the hot zone will be in MANDATORY Quarantine at home (at the very least) for 21 days under threat of harsh penalties including fines, prison etc for breaking it for any reason other then something like the house catching on fire. I would even be in favor of people wearing ankle bracelets - they could sing a voluntary waiver to do that, to refuse would mean quarantine in an isolation ward at hospital, instead of getting to stay at home; anyone put in isolation simply because they refused the ankle bracelet would be charged for their stay. On the other hand anyone suspected of direct exposure (or who know they may have been exposed) can be treated the most comfortable isolation area possible and treated with as much kindness and care as possible; after all most of these people are volunteers and were trying to give back to the community. But obviously, some of them simply can't be trusted to do what they promise to do and that spoils it for everyone who really does stay home for 21 days. And there are others like reporters, TV camera people, diplomatic staff etc who don't even have the health care background that might cause them to take things seriously; not to mention the mixed messages for the CDC that are going to cause a lot of people to just figure they will be fine and so don't worry about it.

If this guy really did know he was that exposed and went on public types of transport or to the bowling alley when he was supposed to be at home, he's not only an idiot but he is someone I will feel free to blame; unlike the poor nurses who were told to take their temps and get on with their lives (and were essentially lied to about both their level of protection and they possible exposures).

There's another issue here, I can't tell if he has been at work or not; but again, starting today, starting right now any hospital who employs or requires an employee who has been working in the affected region should be fined huge amounts of money and the administrators face possible criminal charges if the health care worker becomes ill and then exposes someone else in their line of work. The health care worker who was forced or encouraged to come to work shall not be punished, just the hospital. That will put the onus on the hospitals to make sure their staff are not allowed to work if there is a chance of exposure and not leave employees making choices like "well gee, if I don't go to work I'll be fired."

Meanwhile for voluntary quarantines to work (or even involuntary ones) there has too be a support system set up to make sure people get food and supplies taken to their homes for the next 21 days; they can not be in fear of eviction and they have to know that they will not come out and find they no longer have a job. At this point, there are few enough cases that this should be manageable but fiascoes like Dallas have got to be avoided at all costs. Otherwise people will go out to buy food and supplies, and those without a safety net will try to go to work and hope for the best, because if they don't they may find themselves living in their car when the 21 days are over; lots of people do live that close to the edge and the issues have to be sorted in order for quarantine to work - but most importantly people have to stay HOME and have as few contacts as possible during those 21 days or the quarantine can't really be said to exist.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Running Away From .gov man : yep, panic in NYC

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-patient-york-city-hospital/story?id=26406430
Oct 23, 2014, 6:04 PM ET By SYDNEY LUPKIN

Possible Ebola Patient Taken to New York City Hospital

" ... Spencer was brought to Bellevue Hospital via the back entrance and taken to the top floor, where he was placed in one of the hospital's four isolation rooms, hospital spokesman Ian Michaels told ABC News. He is not near the first floor emergency room, Michaels said.

Spencer's Manhattan apartment has been sealed, but the building is still open to other tenants. If Spencer tests positive, it will be decontaminated, officials told ABC News.

New York City Councilman Mark Levine said the possible Ebola case had Spencer's northern Manhattan neighborhood on edge, adding that one person he told about Spencer ran away from him.

The city Health Department has already started to trace the patient's contacts, according to the statement.

According to Spencer's LinkedIn profile, he is a fellow of international emergency medicine at Columbia University New York Presbyterian Hospital. The hospital's emergency medicine website lists him as an attending physician who had been working on several projects in East Africa.

The New York Presbyterian Hospital released a statement this evening calling him a "dedicated humanitarian."

"He is a committed and responsible physician who always puts his patients first," the statement reads. "He has not been to work at our hospital and has not seen any patients at our hospital since his return from overseas. Our thoughts are with him, and we wish him all the best at this time. ... "
 

cjoi

Veteran Member
Here we go again.

It seems the Ebola virus affects the brain immediately, way before any symptoms. These ppl want to be out and about. Even after they know they are infected with Ebola, they want to Bolt. They have Ebola Dementia from the very first day they are exposed to the virus and it starts replicating like mad in their body.

Excellent diagnosis, Leska!
 

TxGal

Day by day
The tests will come back positive.

For Malaria.:kk2:

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it will be a confirmed positive, and announced. The only reason I say that is that the story was all over the evening news. They were touting how ready they are now. I have a hunch they will use this as an opportunity to tell the masses 'hey, we're ready now, everything is under control' when we all know it's anything but.
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
Great... I live in Dallas and have to fly to NYC tomorrow for business.

I am in no way being flippant, but this is what my grandfather always told me when I was hesitant to travel by air. "If you're born to hang, you'll never drown." Believe me, it's been a comfort for me in its simplicity.

Maureen
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Make Lots of Room in Camp Fooked

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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ients-rushed-bellevue-fever-article-1.1984941

Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier: sources

Dr. Craig Spencer, who recently returned from disease-wracked West African country Guinea after working with Doctors Without Borders, hit the lanes in Williamsburg and used Uber taxis to get around, sources said. The shocking revelation that Spencer was roaming around town — after first telling authorities he self-quarantined himself — emerged after the 33-year-old was hauled off to Bellevue Hospital in a protective suit with symptoms of the deadly disease.

BY ROCCO PARASCANDOLA , TINA MOORE , CORKY SIEMASZKO NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Thursday, October 23, 2014, 2:49 PM


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Dr. Craig Spencer was reportedly suffering from nausea and a high fever before being rushed to Bellevue Hospital. Above, he dons protective robs in Belgium, a connector hub between the U.S. and West Africa.
The Harlem doctor who was rushed to a hospital Thursday with suspected Ebola symptoms had gone bowling in Brooklyn the night before.

Craig Spencer, who recently returned from disease-wracked West African country Guinea, hit the lanes in Williamsburg and used Uber taxis to get around, sources said.

The shocking revelation that Spencer was roaming around town — after first telling authorities he self-quarantined himself — emerged after the 33-year-old medic was hauled off to Bellevue Hospital in a protective suit with symptoms of the deadly disease.

Those include nausea and a 103-degree fever, sources said.

Preliminary results of tests done on the doctor are expected overnight, the city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene said in a statement.

Spencer’s neighbor, John Roston, told The Daily News the doctor lived with a girlfriend. In an online engagement announcement that describes Spencer as a “goofball,” his fiancée is identified as Morgan Dixon.

It wasn’t immediately clear whether Dixon, 30, was also quarantined.

Spencer, who working in Guinea with Doctors Without Borders, returned to New York City 10 days ago via Kennedy Airport, the sources said.

FDNY hazardous materials specialists sealed off Spencer's apartment on W. 147th St. and took the doctor out on a stretcher.

While Spencer was placed in an isolation unit at Bellevue, city health workers began tracking down anybody he might have been in contact with since returning home from Africa.

"The Health Department's team of disease detectives immediately began to actively trace all of the patient's contacts to identify anyone who may be at potential risk," Bellevue said in a statement.

Spencer was at The Gutter on N. 14th St. and Brooklyn Bowl on Wythe Ave. on Wednesday, sources said.

When a reporter went by The Gutter on Thursday, it was closed and a promoter said the bar area, where a concert was supposed to be held, wasn't opening due to "unforeseen circumstances."

Brooklyn Bowl, on its Facebook page, said it had not been contacted by authorities.

"We are aware of the reports that an individual who may possibly be infected with Ebola attended an event in Williamsburg last night,” it read.

Robert Cedano, the super in Spencer’s building, said firefighters took the doctor’s door off its hinges when they took him out of the apartment.

"Oh, lovely," Brooke Christensen, who lives in the building, said after learning her neighbor was taken away for Ebola testing.

"I'm not concerned," she said. "I've had no fluid exchange with my neighbors."

Neighbor John Roston said Spencer is a familiar sight in the neighborhood and often helps residents carry groceries up the stairs.

“He’s always wearing scrubs,” said Roston, 38. “I hope he feels better, I hope it's not Ebola, I hope it's the flu.

“There’s not a bad bone in his body,” he added. “If he makes it through I'll buy him a beer."

Council Member Mark Levine, who represents the neighborhood, said state and federal officials are “responding with the highest possible level of urgency and marshalling every resource at their disposal to respond to this possible case.”

“I want to reiterate that this has not yet been confirmed as an Ebola case but every precaution is being taken as if it were,” Levine said in a statement.

Meanwhile, health care workers handed out flyers in English and Spanish with instructions on what to do is somebody suspects he or she has Ebola.

Dr. Howard Zucker, acting commissioner of the state Health Department, said Spencer is in the right place.

“That facility is prepared and equipped for the isolation, identification and treatment of any such patients,” Zucker said.

Spencer posted a photo of himself wearing protective gear on Facebook on Sept. 18 while in Belgian capital Brussels, a hub for connecting flights to Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.

"Off to Guinea with Doctors Without Borders," the caption reads. "Please support organizations that are sending support or personnel to West Africa, and help combat one of the worst public health and humanitarian disasters in recent history."

The Ebola scare in Manhattan comes after U.S. Centers for Disease Control head Tom Frieden said he was seeing “signs of progress” in the fight against the disease, which has killed nearly 4,500 people in Africa but just one in the U.S. — a Liberian who was visiting his son in Dallas.

Frieden also called a recent mass training session for health care workers at the Javits Center “very successful” and said the exercise would be repeated next week for health care workers in California.

Frieden spoke a day after the feds imposed new rules requiring that all travelers arriving in the U.S. from Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone be monitored for three weeks, which is the incubation period for Ebola.

Under the new rules, nine people in Connecticut — none of whom are showing symptoms — have been placed in quarantine.
 

toxic avenger

Senior Member
The particular EMS unit that transported the Dr. was one of FDNY's "HAZ-TAC" units. They are cross-trained as hazmat technicians with the training and PPE readily available to handle infectious diseases, chemical weapons and hazmat incidents. The big apple is really on the ball with this stuff. From a friend of mine in FDNY, they aren't letting their guard down. They've been on the guard at least as far back as August...we'll see if their plans and preps will work.
 

LSV

Contributing Member
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it will be a confirmed positive, and announced. The only reason I say that is that the story was all over the evening news. They were touting how ready they are now. I have a hunch they will use this as an opportunity to tell the masses 'hey, we're ready now, everything is under control' when we all know it's anything but.
I agree, what a great opportunity to say "if we can contain it in NYC it can be contained ANYWHERE! of course that means that anyone else who was exposed either doesnt get it or ends up locked away in secret somewhere...
Lisa
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
Wow, having spent a whole lot of my life in NYC, I can imagine the potential for infecting people.. subways, cabs, walking by someone on the street, and this guy was out and about for 10 days? Yikes.
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
Wow, having spent a whole lot of my life in NYC, I can imagine the potential for infecting people.. subways, cabs, walking by someone on the street, and this guy was out and about for 10 days? Yikes.

It's a stock market killer. Thus it will be a negative report. I'll be STUNNED if we get an independent honest to God positive....
 

JDSeese

Veteran Member
Fortunately, based on the way the Duncan case played out, the Doctor should not be seriously contagious until he is much further advanced in his illness.
The healthcare workers that tend to him will be at high risk, especially if he starts melting. But, random New Yorkers should not be in danger. .
 

breezyhill

Veteran Member
what if this doc is just plain nucking futz and purposely did this for attention and misguided fame-seeking? there are people out there who deliberately hurt themselves to garner sympathy and attention.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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You want to KILL the stock market? Report him as negative, and then start having contacts of his (whether they knew it or not) start getting sick....

It's going to look like Hurricane SAndy or 911 evac all over again.

Summerthyme
 

Ironskull

Administrator
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Now I really am worried! A very good group of young friends live in NYC. They are all friends of both of my kids. What is really bad, one is in Michigan as of today and as usual my DGI son and daughter in law made sure to rush to Ann Arbor to see him and took my 6 year old grandson. What is it going to take to make these kids GET IT????
 
This incident thoroughly blows up that last protocol put in place by the WH/CDC in which travelers from West Africa self-monitor themselves and act responsibly in doing so. The WH/CDC were hoping the announcement of that protocol yesterday would stop the bleeding on this issue before the election. Now we have a doctor who screwed up. If a physician can not get it right, how can we expect anybody else too?

Whether he is positive or not this brings the issue of stopping travelers coming from West Africa front and center again. And it will be right there for days to come.

I said a few days ago that one of the coasts needed to be hit with Ebola in order to bring this problem to a frothy boil. And now we have it.

The WH/CDC deserve everything that is coming to them as a result. Unfortunately we who live in this country do not.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
It is illogical to me that a Dr. who's been treating Ebola patients, and seen the hell it brings, would put others at risk by skipping out on his self-quarantine. That's exactly why every person coming back into this country from an affected area should go through a minimum 3 week mandatory quarantine. I'm sure there are plenty of closed military posts or empty buildings that could be used to keep these people away from the rest of us. I don't care about their comfort level or feelings. When you're dealing with something as potentially devastating as Ebola, all bets are off and you do what has to be done to stop an outbreak.

Personally, for this guy, given his education and background treating Ebola, if he survives we should ship his stupid tail back over there to treat other victims and shouldn't let him back in country until it has been stopped over there.
 

Ironskull

Administrator
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I swear, by the time this is over I will be dead. Seriously. Heart disease is on both sides of my family. Every time something like this gets close to my kids who will not heed my warnings I start getting chest pain. I have to force myself to calm down. My doc always tells me my heart is good so I am going with serious anxiety. Need to take my meds the prescribed 3 X per day instead of the on I take it.
 

maric

Short but deadly
I swear, by the time this is over I will be dead. Seriously. Heart disease is on both sides of my family. Every time something like this gets close to my kids who will not heed my warnings I start getting chest pain. I have to force myself to calm down. My doc always tells me my heart is good so I am going with serious anxiety. Need to take my meds the prescribed 3 X per day instead of the on I take it.


Deep breaths my friend. The world is a better place with you in it. I suffer from anxiety too so I know what you're feeling.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I really need to be working, but haven't left home for a week because the universe doesn't want me to leave. (nasty cold and vehicle at the mechanics.) I'm starting to think that this is a very good thing. I'm going to be totally broke. But I won't have Ebola.
 

Ironskull

Administrator
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Deep breaths my friend. The world is a better place with you in it. I suffer from anxiety too so I know what you're feeling.
I am Marie. Just took a pill. I am just so pissed at my kids for not heeding the warnings and now putting my precious grandson in danger. What is wrong with them?
 
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