I'll never say never, but I'm not interested at this point.
It just wouldn't work for me.
The sucky part is this commie push to force EVs on us is killing me on fuel, even tho there isn't one that would do what I need a vehicle to do.
I even when I don't have transportation.In the poll I don't mean golf carts or mowers. I mean Tesla or electric pickups.
Sure, look in the TB archives. I detailed it a year or two ago in one of the EV threads. It was a 1992 GM Geo Metro factory conversion by Solectria. The Geo Metro was delivered by GM with no running gear for completion. Had 144 volts of SLA batteries, 65 mph top end, decent acceleration, and suited my 25 mile commute in Illinois just fine, summer and winter, with it's 40+ mile range. It had a 3 phase AC motor, regen braking, and an advanced controller. The electronics and conversion were made by Solectria, a company founded by a bunch of MIT engineers that moved on to building AE systems and electric powered tour busses and postal vehicles when GM refused to sell them any more sleds. I'd have to look up the detailed information and that might take a while since I sold it some time ago.Willing to share the specs?
I'm 64. the ev vehicles are very expensive but are friggin fast. 0 to 60 in 3 to 4 seconds. just a ton of horse power.
that being said, i've always had V8 cars. i now have a silverado v8 pickup. when i start my vehicle, it has to go vrrrooom then settle into a nice brrr brrr brrr. when i get on it, it better sound loud.
the ev vehicles make no sound. sorry, this old dog wants to hear my motor.
Yes. They recommend only doing the Level 3 Fast charging when it is the only available option due to time or distance consideration as it does impact battery life and speeds the decrease in maximum range each year.Is there a difference in battery life on these if they are charged on 120v compared to fast charging?
Do you drive over 50 miles every day? Do you fill up your tank every day?Not unless they can get them to recharge within the amount of time it would take you to fill up your gas tank.
A 2023 Bolt is supposed to list at around $33K for a basic model.I love my battery lawn mower. But I can't see throwing a minimum of $50,000 out the window for a basic model just to go to the grocery store.
Do you drive over 50 miles every day? Do you fill up your tank every day?
I fill up my EV overnight, every day. Effectively starting every day with a topped-off “tank”. It takes 15 seconds to plug it in as I exit the vehicle. It takes another 15 seconds to unplug it as I enter the vehicle. Actual time *I* spend standing there to “fill it up” each day is 30 seconds. It is recharging while I am recharging - overnight. Or while I am at the office - working.
yea, that is 30 seconds a day. I fill up once every six weeks. that is 42 days.Do you drive over 50 miles every day? Do you fill up your tank every day?
I fill up my EV overnight, every day. Effectively starting every day with a topped-off “tank”. It takes 15 seconds to plug it in as I exit the vehicle. It takes another 15 seconds to unplug it as I enter the vehicle. Actual time *I* spend standing there to “fill it up” each day is 30 seconds. It is recharging while I am recharging - overnight. Or while I am at the office - working.
ALL Bolts ever produced were ultimately put under the battery recall. I am on the list for a new battery later this year. The workaround is to set the charge limiter to 90% or less which I have done.I don't remember-did your Bolt require the battery replacement? That's one issue I'm seeing with GM EV's right now; availability of the reworked battery packs. Some dealers still have new Bolt's on the lot with "stop sell" marked on them. And LG is NOT picking up the old battery packs either. Several local area dealerships are down an entire service bay-because of the Bolt battery pack replacements they've done. They won't pick them up and ship them back.
ALL Bolts ever produced were ultimately put under the battery recall. I am on the list for a new battery later this year. The workaround is to set the charge limiter to 90% or less which I have done.
How many miles do you drive over those 6 weeks? How much fuel does your tank hold? What mpg do you get?yea, that is 30 seconds a day. I fill up once every six weeks. that is 42 days.
30 seconds X 42 days = 1260 seconds.
There are 60 seconds in a minute = 21 minutes.
It takes less than 5 minutes to fill the car.
But OK.
"Like" starting off with a full tank everyday has no value to me. I do not believe I have run out of gas since about 1972.How many miles do you drive over those 6 weeks? How much fuel does your tank hold? What mpg do you get?
I like starting off each day with a full “tank”.
And my effective cost equivalent shows that I am getting just over 200 mpg at the current price of gasoline in my area vs the cost of electricity I am using.
Also, as more and more EV's start replacing gasoline vehicles the government will begin charging tax per mile driven to make up for the loss of the gasoline tax."Like" starting off with a full tank everyday has no value to me. I do not believe I have run out of gas since about 1972.
It isn't in the decision tree.
Apparently, with an electric vehicle . . . it is.
Is it?
I average 4000 miles a year. Thats about 333 miles a month.
I get 25 to 27 miles per gallon. And I put 11 gallons a month - $54 last month.
You do not get "miles per gallon". EVs use about .03 (cents) of electric per mile. That about $10/month.
Today that is about $45 savings. When gas was $3.50 a gallon, the savings was $28/mo. When gas was $2.50 a gallon it was $17 per month.
Realistically, any savings you get is a result of government subsidy.
And any excess I pay is a result of government penalties.
When they capture enough of the market, you can expect that to change.
All good points!Other EV advantages that most people do not consider is the lack a bunch of other maintenance items that take time and money and aggravation associated with internal combustion engines (ICE):
No oil changes, radiator or transmission fluids or flushes
No water pumps or fuel pumps to go out
No belts to worry about
No oil filters, fuel filters or air filters
No fuel injectors or carburetors
No spark plugs
Far fewer moving parts, no pistons, rods, valves, crankshafts, camshafts, or timing chains to break, wear, tear or replace.
Those things leave a whole lot less to deal with on an ongoing basis.
ETA: That is also why I consider Hybrids to be the worst of both worlds because since they still have an ICE as well as an electric motor they retain all of those components requiring ongoing maintenance.
If the Bolt had an ICE it would likely get about 35 mpg."Like" starting off with a full tank everyday has no value to me. I do not believe I have run out of gas since about 1972.
It isn't in the decision tree.
Apparently, with an electric vehicle . . . it is.
Is it?
I average 4000 miles a year. Thats about 333 miles a month.
I get 25 to 27 miles per gallon. And I put 11 gallons a month - $54 last month.
You do not get "miles per gallon". EVs use about .03 (cents) of electric per mile. That about $10/month.
Today that is about $45 savings. When gas was $3.50 a gallon, the savings was $28/mo. When gas was $2.50 a gallon it was $17 per month.
Realistically, any savings you get is a result of government subsidy.
And any excess I pay is a result of government penalties.
When they capture enough of the market, you can expect that to change.
My father bought this exact model in March. He loves it!The 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL MSRP is $48,000.
Monthly payment is $700/mo for 60 months.
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So you saved $40/month.If the Bolt had an ICE it would likely get about 35 mpg.
I have driven the EV an average of 342 miles per month. That would have burned about 10 gallons of gas at our current price of $4.86/gallon or a total of $48.60 in gas.
My actual electric cost for those 342 miles at .023 cents per mile was $7.86.
For the cost of 1 gallon of gas $4.86 I was able to go 211 miles ($4.86 / .023). Thus 211 mpg is my current calculated mpg at the current cost of gasoline and electricity.
I have an EV and no charging station in my garage. It comes with the 120 volt charger you simply plug into a normal outlet.And don't forget,
you will have to have a charging station in your garage.
If you don;t have one, you hire and electrician and pay starting at $1500
In order to get that awesome 3 cents a mile
you have to spend 3 years of gas money on a charging station.
(I spent $500 last year on gas)
But electricty is reliable. They never shut it off for any reason especially weather or fire or freezing cold.
Reliable.
Monthly payment on a 2022 Acura MDX is more than that and it’s a comparably sized Gasoline suv.The 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL MSRP is $48,000.
Monthly payment is $700/mo for 60 months.
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And don't forget,
you will have to have a charging station in your garage.
If you don;t have one, you hire and electrician and pay starting at $1500
In order to get that awesome 3 cents a mile
you have to spend 3 years of gas money on a charging station.
(I spent $500 last year on gas)
But electricty is reliable. They never shut it off for any reason especially weather or fire or freezing cold.
Reliable.
Do you drive over 50 miles every day? Do you fill up your tank every day?
I fill up my EV overnight, every day. Effectively starting every day with a topped-off “tank”. It takes 15 seconds to plug it in as I exit the vehicle. It takes another 15 seconds to unplug it as I enter the vehicle. Actual time *I* spend standing there to “fill it up” each day is 30 seconds. It is recharging while I am recharging - overnight. Or while I am at the office - working.
Very small and not sure if AWD is availableA 2023 Bolt is supposed to list at around $33K for a basic model.