GUNS/RLTD Virginia Democrats Reportedly Beginning Effort To Confiscate Lawfully Owned Firearms

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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The key to the resistance is the interwebz.

A venue to spread information that the commies really can't control.

Sure, they could shut it down, but that would be the call to boogaloo....and they know it.

Also, they are dependent on the web for so much of their command and control.

They also know that for every vocal opponent, there are many more peeps of the same mindset...just waiting.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Millwright said:


Take this along with the disappearing news articles and digest it for a minute.

They are poopinpants skeert...and not just the guvnuh.

I takes more than some pissant like him to get the news whitewashed. I think Breitbart would tell him to FOAD, if he requested it.

I absolutely agree. TPTB cannot allow movements like this to gain traction. The removal of news stories clearly paints a picture of their strategy. The problem is, they executed too late this time. They won’t make that mistake again.

Take the bolded to the bank.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Mark this day on the calendar:

This is DAMN NEAR the FIRST time We The People got INSIDE the State's Boyd OODA Loop.

Won't likely get this situation much again.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Mark this day on the calendar:

This is DAMN NEAR the FIRST time We The People got INSIDE the State's Boyd OODA Loop.

Won't likely get this situation much again.

The state is a slow moving entity, this is why they try to have plans for every scenario.

I don't think they really expected an armed citizen revolt...and that's exactly what they are facing with this.

The guvnah and his commie crew just assumed that everybody would bow and scrape to their authority.

I would have paid large to be a fly on the wall, when the reality of this whole debacle sank in to his arrogant head.

Do ya think there have been a lot of strategy meetings this weekend? :lol:
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment

Things heating up in Virginia

Posted by David Hardy · 13 December 2019 07:08 PM

"Second Amendment sanctuary" resolutions have been adopted by 75 of Virginia's 95 counties, and and the anti-gun politicians are reacting. Proposals range from prosecuting sheriffs for violating their oaths of office (laughable) to sending in the National Guard (what could they do, even if they wanted to?).


Further proof that this is not about fighting crime -- it's a front in the culture-war, and those on the other side have now lost their minds.
 

hd5574

Veteran Member
Great new map up on the VCDL website.
Many of his new bought and paid for Dems in the legislature are now living behind "enemy lines" in 2A locations.
His hair may be on fire, this weekend.
The NRA ILA has come out with the existing supreme Court decisions that make his moves unconstitutional.
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
I have been watching this whole situation. And I have been keeping an eye on the pro 2A counties as they vote on this issue. This evening I talked to my son who lives in Norfolk and regularly works on various Navy facilities. When I asked him what he was hearing on the ground there his answer was, "People are pissed off about this." He said that all of his co-workers and people he comes in contact with in the area are talking about it and are very angry about it. He said that all of the counties in the Tidewater area have either passed a pro 2A measure, or will soon. He wasn't so sure about Norfolk/Norfolk County because so many liberals live there. He also said that the $16B DoD drops in that area will mean that if the DoD says no, that Richmond will back down for sure.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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There are some guys at arfcom who are discussing local knowledge of things.

In general, people are pissed. People who would you wouldn't expect...they are talking about loading magazines.

There is also discussion of outsiders stirring $#it and not helping matters.
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
1. The people should show on the first day of legislation, and tar and feather any politician involved. 2. NCO's and guardsmen would break ranks, and fight anyone who would carry out such an order. 3. this would spill over into other states, and people would enter VA to fight.
This loony governor and fellow demoncrats are REALLY playing with fire on this one!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
The key to the resistance is the interwebz.

A venue to spread information that the commies really can't control.

Sure, they could shut it down, but that would be the call to boogaloo....and they know it.

Also, they are dependent on the web for so much of their command and control.

They also know that for every vocal opponent, there are many more peeps of the same mindset...just waiting.
They're in a hell of a pickle, aren't they? Despite where I fear where this is heading, I'll admit to enjoying seeing thrm sweat... or second hand proof of their fear, anyway.

Summerthyme
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Yeah, i have wondered for a long time where "it" is going to start. Thing is, when the commies get the go signal, it will all happen very quickly, in many AO's at once. Remember Obama talked about the internet kill switch. When everything is in place, it will be a go, they are tweaking things.
 

DazedandConfused

Veteran Member
There are some guys at arfcom who are discussing local knowledge of things.

In general, people are pissed. People who would you wouldn't expect...they are talking about loading magazines.

There is also discussion of outsiders stirring $#it and not helping matters.
I'm hearing the same
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
Good advice...

ensitue@ensitue
If you are at a rally. FEDS will be taking pictures
and passing them through facial recognition
databses.
what does that mean?
they will essentially be doing a query on
all social media platforms for facial scan
matches. once matched the account details
are scraped up and filed into a new working
database file.
ALSO
they run stingray and wireshaks against every
smart device in the area.
Beaware that they will be getting wifi and phone ID's and then when you connect to the
next cell net they do a network finger and
you are known. again put into a databse.
Ensure you FULLY block your phones from
all signals.
Get disposable devices that are not tied to
you to record data.
stay off of their red flag lists.
 
Good advice...

ensitue@ensitue
If you are at a rally. FEDS will be taking pictures
and passing them through facial recognition
databses.
what does that mean?
they will essentially be doing a query on
all social media platforms for facial scan
matches. once matched the account details
are scraped up and filed into a new working
database file.
ALSO
they run stingray and wireshaks against every
smart device in the area.
Beaware that they will be getting wifi and phone ID's and then when you connect to the
next cell net they do a network finger and
you are known. again put into a databse.
Ensure you FULLY block your phones from
all signals.
Get disposable devices that are not tied to
you to record data.
stay off of their red flag lists.
If you get a burner phone and manage to stay off camera, paying cash, never turn the burner on when you are at home, work, or any other place you frequent. Never turn your normal phone on at the same time as your burner. Never call the same number, any number, from both phones, even at different times. Doing so will connect both phones, and whoever you call and whoever they call. Consider calling random numbers to muddy the waters. If you have a group, instill the same discipline on them. For OPs use, set some kind of schedule for call times. If possible be in a different location for such contact.
 

Bensam

Deceased
Also, just did a little web surf looking for the address of the state of VA emergency ops center. That's where Gov. Blackface would go to lead his armies against us.

Guess what-the addresses for the main alternate and other state locations of the state EOC are missing (404 page not found) from the VDEM (VA dept. of emergency management) website.

VA state police admin offices location is still listed, but again not the EOC location (which used to be listed).

Some early housekeeping perhaps?

The EOC headquarters is located in North Chesterfield along with their regional field office.
 

WTSR

Veteran Member
I am of the mind that first and foremost we need a re-Declaration of Independence and re-ratification of the Bill of Rights. Both entirely symbolic acts.

Bring you Pen First and state your grievances.

This my friends is how you raise the ire of these appointed Kings and Queens.

Just saying..

How many here are willing to anti-up their 'John Hancock' on these documents?
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When those in charge lie repeatedly having them sign something is meaningless. They could care less what they sign or say.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
I have been watching this whole situation. And I have been keeping an eye on the pro 2A counties as they vote on this issue. This evening I talked to my son who lives in Norfolk and regularly works on various Navy facilities. When I asked him what he was hearing on the ground there his answer was, "People are pissed off about this." He said that all of his co-workers and people he comes in contact with in the area are talking about it and are very angry about it. He said that all of the counties in the Tidewater area have either passed a pro 2A measure, or will soon. He wasn't so sure about Norfolk/Norfolk County because so many liberals live there. He also said that the $16B DoD drops in that area will mean that if the DoD says no, that Richmond will back down for sure.
Well there are no counties. That whole area is nothing but cities; Portsmouth, Suffolk, Chesapeake, Norfolk and Virginia Beach. Big cities, no counties. All next to each other with no space between them.

But I agree with the DoD budget money. That could add a monkey wrench into their plans. Don't know how well threats would work out. After all, the governor might like a smaller military with no power behind them.

Homecanner said something that was probably overlooked, but they're after Don ...yes, that's who they really want to get rid of, President Donald Trump.
They want us disarmed so they can overthrow the government and no one to fight for him.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I think what they want to get rid of is not just DJT, but all of us who voted for him and continue to support him. He did not come to power in a vacuum. He came to power because we believe in certain things, and saw him as the one candidate who was like-minded and willing to actually work towards supporting those beliefs. So we are really the ones they hate.

Kathleen
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
I think what they want to get rid of is not just DJT, but all of us who voted for him and continue to support him. He did not come to power in a vacuum. He came to power because we believe in certain things, and saw him as the one candidate who was like-minded and willing to actually work towards supporting those beliefs. So we are really the ones they hate.

Kathleen
They want us dead. It's that simple, we're in the way of their Utopia.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
From the NRA


Virginia Gov. Northam Seeks Gun Registration as Down Payment on Gun Confiscation

Friday, December 13, 2019

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) must think that Old Dominion gun owners are stupid. After months of Northam and his Michael Bloomberg-backed General Assembly allies advocating for the enactment of gun confiscation legislation, the governor has told the Virginia Mercury that he will support a gun ban bill that would grandfather currently possessed firearms but require owners to register the newly-prohibited firearms with the government. As astute gun owners know, gun registration facilitates gun confiscation. Northam wants law-abiding gun owners to register their guns with the same people who have already stated that they want to confiscate them.

The evidence is clear: Virginia politicians want to confiscate your firearms

On June 4, an embattled Gov. Northam announced a special session of the General Assembly in order to enact a raft of gun control legislation. During his remarks, the governor expressly said that “I will propose many of the same ideas that we have proposed before… A ban on assault weapons…”
On July 8, Del. Mark H. Levine (D-45) delivered for Northam and pre-filed gun ban bill HB 4021. The legislation garnered 23 cosponsors. That same day Sen. Adam P Ebbin (D-30) pre-filed the identical SB 4024, which attracted 16 co-sponsors.

The legislation would have banned the importation, manufacture, sale, transfer, and possession of what it termed “assault firearms.” The term was defined to include any semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds or any semi-automatic centerfire rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of several enumerated features. These features included, a folding or telescoping stock, a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, a second handgrip, a bayonet mount, a silencer, a flash suppressor, a muzzle brake, a muzzle compensator, or a threaded barrel. The legislation also would have banned commonly-owned semi-automatic shotguns and centerfire pistols with any one of several prohibiting features.

As Levine and Ebbin’s legislation prohibited possession of these firearms, the bills, which were drafted at Northam’s request, were firearms confiscation.
On November 18, Sen. Richard L. Saslaw (D-35) pre-filed SB 16 for the 2020 session. This legislation would ban the same types of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms as HB 4021 and SB 4024. Again, as the bill would ban the possession of these firearms, it is gun confiscation.

Northam is misleading the public

Discussing the governor’s proposed ban, Northam Spokeswoman Alena Tarmosky told the Mercury, “In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period.”
The website also reported,

The Northam-backed plan mirrors the federal assault weapon ban passed in 1994, which included a grandfather clause for weapons that were legally owned when the legislation was enacted. The federal ban expired in 2004.
It’s not clear whether the Mercury has been misled by Northam’s staff or whether the paper is misinformed on the matter of gun law in general, but this paragraph is directly contradicted by Tarmosky’s statement.
Under the 1994 Clinton assault weapons ban, gun owners could continue to possess and transfer prohibited firearms that were lawfully possessed prior to the ban. In direct contrast to the purported Northam proposal, the federal ban had no firearm registration requirement.

The details of Northam’s gun ban have yet to be released. However, the Clinton ban’s prohibiting criteria were far different than what has been proposed by Northam’s General Assembly allies. Whereas the proposed Virginia legislation would ban commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms with only one offending feature, the “assault weapon” definition under the 1994 federal ban required that a firearm have two prohibiting features. Further, the enumerated prohibited features under the Virginia legislation are far broader and include such innocuous characteristics as thumbhole stocks.

The Mercury item also noted that Northam told reporters, “I’m a supporter of the Second Amendment…” and “we’re not going to propose or pass any unconstitutional laws.” In reality, the gun bans proposed by Northam and his allies are unconstitutional under the Second Amendment as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago.

Heller decision author Justice Antonin Scalia made this clear when he signed onto a dissent from denial of certiorari in the case of Friedman v. Highland Park, which concerned a local ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms. The dissent, written by Justice Clarence Thomas explained,

Roughly five million Americans own AR-style semiautomatic rifles. The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting. Under our precedents, that is all that is needed for citizens to have a right under the Second Amendment to keep such weapons.

Gun registration facilitates confiscation

For undeniable evidence that gun registration facilitates gun confiscation, consider the experience of Virginia gun control financier Michael Bloomberg’s hometown of New York City.
In 1967 New York City passed an ordinance requiring gun owners to register their rifles and shotguns. In 1991 the New York City Council and Mayor David N. Dinkins enacted a bill to prohibit the possession of commonly-owned semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

The year after the ban was enacted, a man`s home in Staten Island was raided by the police after he had announced that he would not comply with the city`s ban. He was arrested, and his guns were seized.
The New York City Police Department (NYPD) notified the 2,340 New Yorkers who had been licensed earlier to possess semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that any of those licensed firearms that were covered by the ban had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city. The recipients of the notification were directed to send back a sworn statement indicating what had been done with those firearms. NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Legal Matters Jeremy Travis, told the Daily News at the time, "for now, the department is taking owners at their word, but spot checks are planned."

During the mayoral administration of Michael Bloomberg, New York City again used its firearms registry to confiscate guns.
In 2010, the city passed an ordinance prohibiting the possession of rifles or shotguns capable of holding more than five rounds of ammunition. In 2013, the NYPD began sending out letters to registered gun owners alerting them that their firearm was banned. The letters demanded that gun owners either surrender their firearm, permanently modify the firearm to bring it into compliance with the ordinance, or remove it from New York City. Those who chose to modify or move a prohibited firearm were forced to submit documentation to the government that they had done so.
For more proof that registration facilitates confiscation consider New Zealand’s recent gun control measures.
In early 2019, the New Zealand Parliament enacted a ban on the sale and possession of all semi-automatic centerfire rifles and semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns capable of holding more than five rounds of ammunition. To enforce the prohibition, New Zealand required owners to surrender their newly-prohibited firearms.

However, New Zealand does not have a registry of most of the banned rifles and shotguns. This created a policy dilemma for New Zealand’s gun control advocates. Without knowing how many newly-prohibited firearms were in the country or who owned them, there was no effective way for the anti-gun officials to enforce their oppressive edict.
Complaining that the lack of a registry would hamper enforcement, New Zealand Police Association President Chris Cahill told the press in May, “We really have no idea how many of these firearms are out there in New Zealand… Which really points to how bad our firearms legislation has been, that we have let this get out of control.”

Gun Control NZ co-founder Philippa Yasbek admitted that the lack of a registry would make the firearms confiscation plan difficult. Yasbek was quoted by the Washington Post as stating, “These weapons are unlikely to be confiscated by police because they don’t know of their existence… These will become black-market weapons if their owners choose not to comply with the law and become criminals instead.”

Gun owners will not comply

Contrary to what Gov. Northam might think, gun owners are not stupid. Gun owners understand that firearms registration is an integral part of the gun control plan to disarm law-abiding Americans and choose not to comply.
According to New York State Police Data there was massive noncompliance with the SAFE Act’s registration provisions. Out of an estimated 1-1.2 million semi-automatic firearms within the state that were required to be registered under the act, 23,847 people registered a grand total of 44,485 guns. Using the lower estimate of one million semi-automatic firearms, the data shows a compliance rate of 4%.

A 2013 Connecticut law required residents to register commonly-owned semiautomatic firearms, and individual magazines with a capacity greater than 10, by January 1, 2014. Out of an estimated several hundred thousand guns and 2.4 million magazines that were required to be registered, Connecticut gun owners had registered 50,016 firearms and a mere 38,290 magazines.

In 1989, California enacted a law requiring registration of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms. According to a February 17, 1992 Los Angeles Times article, in the years following enactment only 46,062 semi-autos were registered. The article went on to note, “The state Department of Justice has estimated there are 200,000 to 300,000. Others have calculated as many as 450,000 to 600,000.” The authorities attempted to bolster the lackluster compliance with a 90-day amnesty period at the start of 1992; this program only netted another 13,470 firearms.

Fight back

All Virginia gun owners must organize to stand and fight against Northam and Bloomberg’s gun registration plan. Virginia’s anti-gun legislators have made it clear that they intend to confiscate guns and any registration scheme would enable their unconstitutional plans.
Stay tuned to www.nraila.org for updates. In the meantime, please sign up to volunteer to help defeat this and other terrible gun control legislation.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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From the NRA


Virginia Gov. Northam Seeks Gun Registration as Down Payment on Gun Confiscation

Friday, December 13, 2019

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) must think that Old Dominion gun owners are stupid. After months of Northam and his Michael Bloomberg-backed General Assembly allies advocating for the enactment of gun confiscation legislation, the governor has told the Virginia Mercury that he will support a gun ban bill that would grandfather currently possessed firearms but require owners to register the newly-prohibited firearms with the government. As astute gun owners know, gun registration facilitates gun confiscation. Northam wants law-abiding gun owners to register their guns with the same people who have already stated that they want to confiscate them.

The evidence is clear: Virginia politicians want to confiscate your firearms

On June 4, an embattled Gov. Northam announced a special session of the General Assembly in order to enact a raft of gun control legislation. During his remarks, the governor expressly said that “I will propose many of the same ideas that we have proposed before… A ban on assault weapons…”
On July 8, Del. Mark H. Levine (D-45) delivered for Northam and pre-filed gun ban bill HB 4021. The legislation garnered 23 cosponsors. That same day Sen. Adam P Ebbin (D-30) pre-filed the identical SB 4024, which attracted 16 co-sponsors.

The legislation would have banned the importation, manufacture, sale, transfer, and possession of what it termed “assault firearms.” The term was defined to include any semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds or any semi-automatic centerfire rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of several enumerated features. These features included, a folding or telescoping stock, a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, a second handgrip, a bayonet mount, a silencer, a flash suppressor, a muzzle brake, a muzzle compensator, or a threaded barrel. The legislation also would have banned commonly-owned semi-automatic shotguns and centerfire pistols with any one of several prohibiting features.

As Levine and Ebbin’s legislation prohibited possession of these firearms, the bills, which were drafted at Northam’s request, were firearms confiscation.
On November 18, Sen. Richard L. Saslaw (D-35) pre-filed SB 16 for the 2020 session. This legislation would ban the same types of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms as HB 4021 and SB 4024. Again, as the bill would ban the possession of these firearms, it is gun confiscation.

Northam is misleading the public

Discussing the governor’s proposed ban, Northam Spokeswoman Alena Tarmosky told the Mercury, “In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period.”
The website also reported,

The Northam-backed plan mirrors the federal assault weapon ban passed in 1994, which included a grandfather clause for weapons that were legally owned when the legislation was enacted. The federal ban expired in 2004.
It’s not clear whether the Mercury has been misled by Northam’s staff or whether the paper is misinformed on the matter of gun law in general, but this paragraph is directly contradicted by Tarmosky’s statement.
Under the 1994 Clinton assault weapons ban, gun owners could continue to possess and transfer prohibited firearms that were lawfully possessed prior to the ban. In direct contrast to the purported Northam proposal, the federal ban had no firearm registration requirement.

The details of Northam’s gun ban have yet to be released. However, the Clinton ban’s prohibiting criteria were far different than what has been proposed by Northam’s General Assembly allies. Whereas the proposed Virginia legislation would ban commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms with only one offending feature, the “assault weapon” definition under the 1994 federal ban required that a firearm have two prohibiting features. Further, the enumerated prohibited features under the Virginia legislation are far broader and include such innocuous characteristics as thumbhole stocks.

The Mercury item also noted that Northam told reporters, “I’m a supporter of the Second Amendment…” and “we’re not going to propose or pass any unconstitutional laws.” In reality, the gun bans proposed by Northam and his allies are unconstitutional under the Second Amendment as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago.

Heller decision author Justice Antonin Scalia made this clear when he signed onto a dissent from denial of certiorari in the case of Friedman v. Highland Park, which concerned a local ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms. The dissent, written by Justice Clarence Thomas explained,

Roughly five million Americans own AR-style semiautomatic rifles. The overwhelming majority of citizens who own and use such rifles do so for lawful purposes, including self-defense and target shooting. Under our precedents, that is all that is needed for citizens to have a right under the Second Amendment to keep such weapons.

Gun registration facilitates confiscation

For undeniable evidence that gun registration facilitates gun confiscation, consider the experience of Virginia gun control financier Michael Bloomberg’s hometown of New York City.
In 1967 New York City passed an ordinance requiring gun owners to register their rifles and shotguns. In 1991 the New York City Council and Mayor David N. Dinkins enacted a bill to prohibit the possession of commonly-owned semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

The year after the ban was enacted, a man`s home in Staten Island was raided by the police after he had announced that he would not comply with the city`s ban. He was arrested, and his guns were seized.
The New York City Police Department (NYPD) notified the 2,340 New Yorkers who had been licensed earlier to possess semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that any of those licensed firearms that were covered by the ban had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city. The recipients of the notification were directed to send back a sworn statement indicating what had been done with those firearms. NYPD Deputy Commissioner of Legal Matters Jeremy Travis, told the Daily News at the time, "for now, the department is taking owners at their word, but spot checks are planned."

During the mayoral administration of Michael Bloomberg, New York City again used its firearms registry to confiscate guns.
In 2010, the city passed an ordinance prohibiting the possession of rifles or shotguns capable of holding more than five rounds of ammunition. In 2013, the NYPD began sending out letters to registered gun owners alerting them that their firearm was banned. The letters demanded that gun owners either surrender their firearm, permanently modify the firearm to bring it into compliance with the ordinance, or remove it from New York City. Those who chose to modify or move a prohibited firearm were forced to submit documentation to the government that they had done so.
For more proof that registration facilitates confiscation consider New Zealand’s recent gun control measures.
In early 2019, the New Zealand Parliament enacted a ban on the sale and possession of all semi-automatic centerfire rifles and semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns capable of holding more than five rounds of ammunition. To enforce the prohibition, New Zealand required owners to surrender their newly-prohibited firearms.

However, New Zealand does not have a registry of most of the banned rifles and shotguns. This created a policy dilemma for New Zealand’s gun control advocates. Without knowing how many newly-prohibited firearms were in the country or who owned them, there was no effective way for the anti-gun officials to enforce their oppressive edict.
Complaining that the lack of a registry would hamper enforcement, New Zealand Police Association President Chris Cahill told the press in May, “We really have no idea how many of these firearms are out there in New Zealand… Which really points to how bad our firearms legislation has been, that we have let this get out of control.”

Gun Control NZ co-founder Philippa Yasbek admitted that the lack of a registry would make the firearms confiscation plan difficult. Yasbek was quoted by the Washington Post as stating, “These weapons are unlikely to be confiscated by police because they don’t know of their existence… These will become black-market weapons if their owners choose not to comply with the law and become criminals instead.”

Gun owners will not comply

Contrary to what Gov. Northam might think, gun owners are not stupid. Gun owners understand that firearms registration is an integral part of the gun control plan to disarm law-abiding Americans and choose not to comply.
According to New York State Police Data there was massive noncompliance with the SAFE Act’s registration provisions. Out of an estimated 1-1.2 million semi-automatic firearms within the state that were required to be registered under the act, 23,847 people registered a grand total of 44,485 guns. Using the lower estimate of one million semi-automatic firearms, the data shows a compliance rate of 4%.

A 2013 Connecticut law required residents to register commonly-owned semiautomatic firearms, and individual magazines with a capacity greater than 10, by January 1, 2014. Out of an estimated several hundred thousand guns and 2.4 million magazines that were required to be registered, Connecticut gun owners had registered 50,016 firearms and a mere 38,290 magazines.

In 1989, California enacted a law requiring registration of commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms. According to a February 17, 1992 Los Angeles Times article, in the years following enactment only 46,062 semi-autos were registered. The article went on to note, “The state Department of Justice has estimated there are 200,000 to 300,000. Others have calculated as many as 450,000 to 600,000.” The authorities attempted to bolster the lackluster compliance with a 90-day amnesty period at the start of 1992; this program only netted another 13,470 firearms.

Fight back

All Virginia gun owners must organize to stand and fight against Northam and Bloomberg’s gun registration plan. Virginia’s anti-gun legislators have made it clear that they intend to confiscate guns and any registration scheme would enable their unconstitutional plans.
Stay tuned to www.nraila.org for updates. In the meantime, please sign up to volunteer to help defeat this and other terrible gun control legislation.
Sure, 'cause that's worked out so well in NY state...

Summerthyme
 
If you get a burner phone and manage to stay off camera, paying cash, never turn the burner on when you are at home, work, or any other place you frequent. Never turn your normal phone on at the same time as your burner. Never call the same number, any number, from both phones, even at different times. Doing so will connect both phones, and whoever you call and whoever they call. Consider calling random numbers to muddy the waters. If you have a group, instill the same discipline on them. For OPs use, set some kind of schedule for call times. If possible be in a different location for such contact.

Bear in mind that if you have a burner phone that is able to dial out, either an older flip-phone OR a smartphone, that TPTB will ALREADY know who you are, once you go to use it - by virtue of you REGISTERING your phone with a phone provider of ANY sort, THAT particular phone is automagically lashed to an account name, address and billing info/credit card. You are NOT transparent, UNLESS that working phone is registered to an entity that is WHOLLY disconnected from your personage. TPTB can and will probe ALL phone account ownerships, if necessary, via all legal/discovery means, as they require.

LoupGarou may wish to embellish this point.


intothegoodnight
 
I was of the opinion that you can buy a burner for cash and activate it with airtime paid with cash. You would need to refill the airtime with cash. Therefore there is no billing address and no way to trace it except the calls you make. Maybe I’m wrong.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
You can. But if you make a call from the burner to a phone number associated with your circle of family or friends, that phone will be traceable back to you.
 
But if both parties have burner phones....

...and only call each other, the best they have is location of each of you, along with possible events tied to those calls.
If you are already suspected and your known phone goes offline, then a suspected burner comes online, and that pattern gets to be common, well, this can get sticky.
 
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