NoDandy
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Sure wish that guy was my next door neighbor !!!
GUNS/RLTD Virginia Democrats Reportedly Beginning Effort To Confiscate Lawfully Owned Firearms
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Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
Ummm... NO.
The phones can still ping towers even if you think they are off. AND, they can still be pinged by the providers (longer range than you might think) even if they have the batteries removed. This is how our local PD busted some idiots who robbed a cell phone store a few years back: The cell carrier pinged their network for the specific ID's of the stolen phones, which were New In Box and "unpowered", then forwarded the GPS coordinates to the PD. The Judge signed-off on a search warrant, and it was served by the SWAT Team. FWIW, the GPS signal was specific enough to state that the stolen phones were in the garage of the house in question.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Faraday cage?
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
I don't know... I built a "Null Box" for my phone: multiple layers of shielding and insulation, and I was surprised at how much effort it took to separate the phone from the towers.
Upside? Modern phones are REALLY GOOD at making a connection - even if they have to burn most of your battery charge to do it.
Downside? DON'T bring your phone to private events or conversations.
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
I look at the above map of the Commonwealth of Virginia and for some unknown reason the thought of the Russian war in Afghanistan comes to mind. Where the Russians controlled the city of Khabu and other heavily fortified sites but not much else.
I would expect similar results if this gets ugly.
The commies will only be safe in their fortified enclaves.
The commies will only be safe in their fortified enclaves.
medic38572
TB Fanatic
It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws
Things are getting really bad in Virginia. But this group isn’t going down without a fight.
Virginia – Earlier in the week, we reported on how lawmakers over in Virginia were threatening to use the National Guard if members of local law enforcement refused to enforce laws passed in the state that they felt violated the second amendment.
Well, looks like Tazewell County isn’t going down without a fight. On top of calling themselves a second amendment sanctuary county, they’re also crafting a militia as well. The Virginia county has taken the movement that has swept across the state and added an element that is sure to trigger pro gun-grabbing politicians in the state.
Virginia lawmakers threatened to deploy the National Guard if members of law enforcement refused to enforce strict new gun laws. (Defense.gov)
Just this past Tuesday, on December 10th, the Board of Supervisors from Tazewell County passed two different resolutions in light of controversy circling those who are pro-gun. The first resolution declared the county to be a second amendment sanctuary. This is not at all surprising to see, as 76 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities, and 13 towns have adopted second amendment sanctuary resolutions.
The second item on the agenda was the proposition of establishing a militia in the county. When both of the resolutions passed, the crowd cheered loudly in support of the decisions. Also, the resolutions didn’t exactly pass by a small margin; the votes were unanimous, with more than 200 citizens standing by in support.
The motion of the creation of the militia had already succeeded in an unofficial way based on the results of a survey conducted earlier in the month by county officials. But Board Chairman Travis Hackworth said people have persisted to press for the district to declare itself a second amendment sanctuary.
As new measures come to vote, citizens are preparing themselves for a fight. (Keesler Air Force Base)
Hackworth went on to state that there were three attorneys on the Board of Supervisors. Many of the other declarations made from other counties in Virginia were closely checked by the three attorneys to ensure nothing important would be glossed over or left out.
Two of the biggest factors in resolutions such as these can be boiled down to funding and prosecution.
The resolutions in Tazewell County would remove funding for any law enforcement department that would infringe residents’ right to keep and bear arms.
Yet, if the state wanted to combat the resolutions, they could deny the county funding in areas other than law enforcement, or perhaps attempt to evict public officials from their held offices. Those are rather valid fears, considering this week’s warnings from Northam and Congressman McEachin.
County Administrator Eric Young reportedly considered that element, and that’s why they opted for the militia aspect:
The county is taking their militia element very seriously as the new ordinance calls for concealed weapons training for any resident of the county that can lawfully own a gun.
They’ve also called for schools to adopt firearms safety training programs. Considering the blue wave that hit the state, along with Bloomberg pouring in millions toward the election, this is a massive win that shows gun owners aren’t going to lie down.
And as they’re pushing to ramp up safety and training – officials within the state are trying to get rid of personal defense. And if it’s not bad enough that they’re going after firearms, they’re going after self-defense measures as well.
An amendment to a current law in Virginia has some martial arts companies, as well as some citizens concerned.
Known as SB64, the bill, according to Self Defense Company, would “instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons.” They also claim that it would criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes.
According to SDC, the law would “even criminalize a father teaching his own son how to use a hunting rifle.”
The law, which was initially passed in 1987 relates the following:
A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
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In fact, numerous counties in Virginia and elsewhere have vowed to become so-called “Second Amendment Sanctuaries” (thank you California and other immigration law sanctuaries for the idea) where any laws that counter the Second Amendment would not be enforced.
The fact that this law is being amended, at the same time when new confiscatory gun laws are going to be put forth, gives gun owners reason to be concerned. As always, laws like this will likely be adjudicated in court. As we are painfully aware, that can be a crapshoot. It is inevitable that this new law will somehow be tested via a court case.
One can understand how people might be concerned. For example, the firearms addendum is somewhat vague.
Virginia is going after guns. But these citizens aren’t going down without a fight.
If a person has a license to carry and happens to be with one or two people and they are involved in a counter protest to something like an Antifa or BLM rally, based on this law, the Antifa thugs or BLM participants could say that someone exercising their Second Amendment rights “intimidated” them and that would result in them getting arrested.
The statute is ripe for abuse.
Are some being paranoid? Perhaps. But in 2019, anything goes. All it takes is a social justice warrior wearing a robe and you could easily see why some people are concerned.
Last Thursday, lawmakers in Virginia threatened to deploy the National Guard to enforce the strict gun legislation they’re pushing for if law enforcement officials refuse to do it themselves.
Is Virginia the place where the battle for our rights will begin? Tell us your thoughts!
www.lawenforcementtoday.com
Things are getting really bad in Virginia. But this group isn’t going down without a fight.
Virginia – Earlier in the week, we reported on how lawmakers over in Virginia were threatening to use the National Guard if members of local law enforcement refused to enforce laws passed in the state that they felt violated the second amendment.
Well, looks like Tazewell County isn’t going down without a fight. On top of calling themselves a second amendment sanctuary county, they’re also crafting a militia as well. The Virginia county has taken the movement that has swept across the state and added an element that is sure to trigger pro gun-grabbing politicians in the state.
Virginia lawmakers threatened to deploy the National Guard if members of law enforcement refused to enforce strict new gun laws. (Defense.gov)
Just this past Tuesday, on December 10th, the Board of Supervisors from Tazewell County passed two different resolutions in light of controversy circling those who are pro-gun. The first resolution declared the county to be a second amendment sanctuary. This is not at all surprising to see, as 76 out of 95 counties, 9 out of 38 independent cities, and 13 towns have adopted second amendment sanctuary resolutions.
The second item on the agenda was the proposition of establishing a militia in the county. When both of the resolutions passed, the crowd cheered loudly in support of the decisions. Also, the resolutions didn’t exactly pass by a small margin; the votes were unanimous, with more than 200 citizens standing by in support.
The motion of the creation of the militia had already succeeded in an unofficial way based on the results of a survey conducted earlier in the month by county officials. But Board Chairman Travis Hackworth said people have persisted to press for the district to declare itself a second amendment sanctuary.
As new measures come to vote, citizens are preparing themselves for a fight. (Keesler Air Force Base)
Hackworth went on to state that there were three attorneys on the Board of Supervisors. Many of the other declarations made from other counties in Virginia were closely checked by the three attorneys to ensure nothing important would be glossed over or left out.
Two of the biggest factors in resolutions such as these can be boiled down to funding and prosecution.
The resolutions in Tazewell County would remove funding for any law enforcement department that would infringe residents’ right to keep and bear arms.
Yet, if the state wanted to combat the resolutions, they could deny the county funding in areas other than law enforcement, or perhaps attempt to evict public officials from their held offices. Those are rather valid fears, considering this week’s warnings from Northam and Congressman McEachin.
County Administrator Eric Young reportedly considered that element, and that’s why they opted for the militia aspect:
Thus, if anyone from the state tries to remove the Sheriff from their elected office because they refuse to enforce unjust laws, those state officials will be faced with a lawful militia composed of citizens within the state.
The county is taking their militia element very seriously as the new ordinance calls for concealed weapons training for any resident of the county that can lawfully own a gun.
They’ve also called for schools to adopt firearms safety training programs. Considering the blue wave that hit the state, along with Bloomberg pouring in millions toward the election, this is a massive win that shows gun owners aren’t going to lie down.
And as they’re pushing to ramp up safety and training – officials within the state are trying to get rid of personal defense. And if it’s not bad enough that they’re going after firearms, they’re going after self-defense measures as well.
An amendment to a current law in Virginia has some martial arts companies, as well as some citizens concerned.
Known as SB64, the bill, according to Self Defense Company, would “instantly transform all martial arts instructors into criminal felons.” They also claim that it would criminalize all firearms training classes, including concealed carry classes.
According to SDC, the law would “even criminalize a father teaching his own son how to use a hunting rifle.”
The law, which was initially passed in 1987 relates the following:
A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:
- Teaches, demonstrates to any other person the use, application or making of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder;
- Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder;
- Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.
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In fact, numerous counties in Virginia and elsewhere have vowed to become so-called “Second Amendment Sanctuaries” (thank you California and other immigration law sanctuaries for the idea) where any laws that counter the Second Amendment would not be enforced.
The fact that this law is being amended, at the same time when new confiscatory gun laws are going to be put forth, gives gun owners reason to be concerned. As always, laws like this will likely be adjudicated in court. As we are painfully aware, that can be a crapshoot. It is inevitable that this new law will somehow be tested via a court case.
One can understand how people might be concerned. For example, the firearms addendum is somewhat vague.
Virginia is going after guns. But these citizens aren’t going down without a fight.
If a person has a license to carry and happens to be with one or two people and they are involved in a counter protest to something like an Antifa or BLM rally, based on this law, the Antifa thugs or BLM participants could say that someone exercising their Second Amendment rights “intimidated” them and that would result in them getting arrested.
The statute is ripe for abuse.
Are some being paranoid? Perhaps. But in 2019, anything goes. All it takes is a social justice warrior wearing a robe and you could easily see why some people are concerned.
Last Thursday, lawmakers in Virginia threatened to deploy the National Guard to enforce the strict gun legislation they’re pushing for if law enforcement officials refuse to do it themselves.
But apparently that’s a double standard in Virginia. Instead of focusing on what is and what isn’t against the law, it seems as though these lawmakers are only pushing to enforce rules that they believe are right.
Is Virginia the place where the battle for our rights will begin? Tell us your thoughts!
It begins: Virginia forms active militia to protect sheriffs, citizens from unconstitutional laws
While lawmakers are busy trying to change the law to strip Americans of their rights, this county has proudly announced they're not going without a fight.
www.lawenforcementtoday.com
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Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Naw.
Smoke signals.
Difficult to trace without satellite imaging.
Oh, wait......
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
I'm in!
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Dennis, or others can chime in - where can one get an anonymous, cash-only phone account? I would like to check into exactly how this is happening, IF it is happening, because TPTB have rules against such, last I checked.
Interested in validating that this cash-only phone account actually exists - and, once I have had a friendly chat with them, piece together "the rest of the story" they are NOT telling you, and likely misleading folks into believing that they are anonymous when using their cell phones, when they are not.
Secure comms is the name of the game. Let's all get on the same sheet of music with regards to "what is," and "what isn't," pertaining to the alleged anonymity of cell phone tech.
intothegoodnight
You can buy trac-phones and “minutes cards” with cash at Walmart. You can recharge the minutes cards with cash too IIRC.
Western Rifle Shooters Association
Varmint rules. No bag limit. Jacklighting encouraged.
Varmint rules. No bag limit. Jacklighting encouraged.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Actually walk into ALMOST ANY borderline Ghetto phone shop (they're 2 or 3 to a block in the less savory parts of Cleveland, and tell the young buck behind the counter, or the Ayrab behind the counter yer lookin for a burner and they WILL be HAPPY to tell you how it works.
YOUR name address NEVER get associated with said burner. And it's less than 25 bucks to start, but you might want to minutes-charge your new phone with an hour or so just to start. Another 25 or so bux.
YOUR name address NEVER get associated with said burner. And it's less than 25 bucks to start, but you might want to minutes-charge your new phone with an hour or so just to start. Another 25 or so bux.
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Dismember
What about being on camera at purchase? Once the number becomes interesting, they can dig up the transaction and get a visual on the purchaser. Perhaps have an uninvolved person buy the phones.
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
There comes a time when face to face conversation is best ..
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
What are you planning on doing that "they" are willing to invest that much time and energy to find you???
You are overthinking the whole thing, IMHO...
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Not at all. Cameras and facial recognition/recording/reporting/database capture are inexpensive and reliable, such that modern general purpose cameras in the public arena can be enabled to observe throngs of people passing by, over a period of time, searching for particular characteristics upon command.
"Back in the day," when the FedGov/DARPA brought forth the cell phone tech into the commercial realm, it was always postured with an iron-clad understanding that EVERY cell phone in use would be tied to a REAL person/identity - no exceptions (supposedly) for J6P - what the three-letter folks, et al, are doing, or not, is in question - undercover, informants, protected identities.
Chuck, can you flesh out your commentary with a bit more detail?
Burner phones do exist, and the underworld/criminal individuals know how to use them without being directly identified. That is not new. However, the organizing pro-2A folks are neither underworld nor criminal, and their ability to utilize a secure method of comms via "non-trackable" burner phones is limited, as it were.
I will poke around in the Walmart phone section, the next time I am up that way - read some REAL fine print on end-user agreements, get a couple of 800 registration numbers - give a call about cash-only registration possibilities.
intothegoodnight
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
Imagine how bad it would have been if he'd had a Hawaiian shirt & a horseshoe moustache
Marthanoir
TB Fanatic
The British were fighting in the gutter, we had go down there and beat them at their own game.
Tom Barry - speaking about the Irish War of Independence 1919 - 1921
His books are highly regarded in all the right places and all the wrong ones too
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's funny right there. We'll just let them have their little "enclaves" - when this ramps up, I don't think it's going to work like that. Surround and work to the center maybe? Communism isn't just a different opinion; it is a deadly predator.
If you were being sarcastic, my apologies. I'm halfway through the first cup this morning so my reading skills may be off.
By the way, what's up wth the white counties on the map above? What does white mean? The legend didn't say.
Communism cannot be allowed to survive in this country. Ultimately, all Communist leaders need to be stood against a wall and shot.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
My discussion with a phone purveyor on the subject was not HARDLY in depth. He handed me a phone, a SIM card from a rack and said all I had to do was insert the SIM chip, make a cal to the specific phone co to activate the card and I was done.
Didn't get into ARD details 'cause I was trying to NOT look like a Rube or an undercover cop (even though my silver hair is SOMEWHAT longer than shoulder length, I'm STILL aportly fat White Debil down in the 'Hood).
Didn't get into ARD details 'cause I was trying to NOT look like a Rube or an undercover cop (even though my silver hair is SOMEWHAT longer than shoulder length, I'm STILL a
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
There are not enough like buttons on this software for me to do this justice. Leaving commies free to pervert more of our children is like leaving a rattlesnake in the back yard with your toddler. No one sane would do it. Not any more.
The Russians finally left Afsandalot...then the wall fell and USSR fell apart.
Switchback
Veteran Member
What people might be overlooking with these smart trackers called cell phones is a voice print match can be found on file in a database to match the user of the burner phone. Ditch the damn "phone" altogether when the time comes. The hard part for phone addicted users will be severing phone use altogether when that time comes.
This isn’t “NCIS”. There are 500 million cell phones (or more) in this country in use every day. While I’m confident that the government is illegally recording these calls, I’m pretty certain they there’s not enough computing resources in the world to do “comparative voiceprint analysis” of every conversation against every other conversation.
Samuel Adams
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I wonder why Russia, et al, seem fully functional today........
“Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep. ”
Mikhail Gorbachev
desertvet2
Veteran Member
Do not forget to destroy and or remove all modern electrical appliances and modern vehicles from your ownership....tv, computer, toaster, coffee maker...think I am I'll informed?? You are.
There are even whispers of tracking chips in modern tools that are half plastic..if you catch my drift.
There are even whispers of tracking chips in modern tools that are half plastic..if you catch my drift.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hey Gorbi, not all of us fell asleep.
‘Civil War’ Brewing in Virginia as Sanctuary Expands
Social media lit up over the weekend with not-so-vague talk of a second Civil War simmering in the Commonwealth of Virginia as more than 90 counties have now joined the “Second Amendment Sanctuary” movement and one sheriff has threatened to deputize his constituents in response to threatened gun control legislation by the new Democrat legislative majority in Richmond.
Into the middle of this volatile brew came Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin (D-4th District) suggesting that anti-gun Gov. Ralph Northam might call up the National Guard to enforce gun control laws passed in 2020 if the county commissions and sheriffs won’t.
According to the Washington Free Beacon, Virginia Democrats have “abandoned their gun confiscation proposal…following an outpouring of opposition to gun control across the state.”
But how long might that last? Probably just long enough for Virginia Democrats to believe the citizens have calmed down and returned to a state of lethargy.
While activists in some 90-plus counties are now raising a ruckus, it might be educational to look at November’s voter turnout, which was only about 40 percent, according to published reports. When 60 percent of voters, including gun owners, sit out an election, the current situation is what they get.
In the midst of this, Culpepper County Sheriff Scott Jenkins told Fox News he will deputize residents in his county.
“They will be properly vetted through a normal process. Everything from normal background checks that we do for other deputy sheriffs as well as psych [evaluations]. It’s not just a blanket policy of swearing-in anyone who is interested,” Sheriff Jenkins told Fox & Friends recently.
According to the National Review, the 93 counties involved in the Sanctuary movement represent about 40 percent of the population in Virginia. That may not impress anti-gun Democrats or the governor, who seem intent on passing new restrictions in the wake of this year’s mass shooting at Virginia Beach.
The kind of “civil war” now brewing in Virginia may not be the shooting kind, but it is likely to be a noisy affair with plenty of shouting.
At the same time this is going on, the other hotbed of gun control is Washington State, where an online petition calling for the impeachment of anti-gun Gov. Jay Inslee and Attorney General Bob Ferguson has garnered tens of thousands of signatures. While it has no force in law, the petition does reflect discontent with both officials for their anti-gun-rights actions.
www.libertyparkpress.com
Social media lit up over the weekend with not-so-vague talk of a second Civil War simmering in the Commonwealth of Virginia as more than 90 counties have now joined the “Second Amendment Sanctuary” movement and one sheriff has threatened to deputize his constituents in response to threatened gun control legislation by the new Democrat legislative majority in Richmond.
Into the middle of this volatile brew came Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin (D-4th District) suggesting that anti-gun Gov. Ralph Northam might call up the National Guard to enforce gun control laws passed in 2020 if the county commissions and sheriffs won’t.
According to the Washington Free Beacon, Virginia Democrats have “abandoned their gun confiscation proposal…following an outpouring of opposition to gun control across the state.”
But how long might that last? Probably just long enough for Virginia Democrats to believe the citizens have calmed down and returned to a state of lethargy.
While activists in some 90-plus counties are now raising a ruckus, it might be educational to look at November’s voter turnout, which was only about 40 percent, according to published reports. When 60 percent of voters, including gun owners, sit out an election, the current situation is what they get.
In the midst of this, Culpepper County Sheriff Scott Jenkins told Fox News he will deputize residents in his county.
“They will be properly vetted through a normal process. Everything from normal background checks that we do for other deputy sheriffs as well as psych [evaluations]. It’s not just a blanket policy of swearing-in anyone who is interested,” Sheriff Jenkins told Fox & Friends recently.
According to the National Review, the 93 counties involved in the Sanctuary movement represent about 40 percent of the population in Virginia. That may not impress anti-gun Democrats or the governor, who seem intent on passing new restrictions in the wake of this year’s mass shooting at Virginia Beach.
The kind of “civil war” now brewing in Virginia may not be the shooting kind, but it is likely to be a noisy affair with plenty of shouting.
At the same time this is going on, the other hotbed of gun control is Washington State, where an online petition calling for the impeachment of anti-gun Gov. Jay Inslee and Attorney General Bob Ferguson has garnered tens of thousands of signatures. While it has no force in law, the petition does reflect discontent with both officials for their anti-gun-rights actions.
‘Civil War’ Brewing in Virginia as Sanctuary Expands - Liberty Park Press
Social media lit up over the weekend with not-so-vague talk of a second Civil War simmering in the Commonwealth of Virginia
www.libertyparkpress.com
From VCDL
Two out of three localities voting on Monday because sanctuaries! There are now 95 Sanctuaries with many more localities meeting Tuesday night.
Status for Monday Night:
Montgomery County - passed 4-3, 800+
Pulaski County - unanimous, 800+
Roanoke City - declined to vote again, 200+
Two out of three localities voting on Monday because sanctuaries! There are now 95 Sanctuaries with many more localities meeting Tuesday night.
Status for Monday Night:
Montgomery County - passed 4-3, 800+
Pulaski County - unanimous, 800+
Roanoke City - declined to vote again, 200+
VA-ALERT: Monday, Dec. 16, sanctuary update
us20.campaign-archive.com
Came over as a wall of text, easier to read at link.
Pulaski County approves Second Amendment sanctuary resolution as Montgomery County hears from full house
PULASKI COUNTY — Nearly 800 citizens erupted in applause as the board of supervisors unanimously passed a motion changing its resolution to become a Second Amendment “supportive” county to a “sanctuary” county.
The change was made at the request of Fairlawn citizen Gary Hughes — the first to contact the county about the designation back in November — because he felt the word “sanctuary” had a more meaningful impact to legislators in Richmond.
Hughes said the Democratic majority is in the process of launching the “most egregious attack on the Second Amendment in the history of our republic.” Both of his comments drew strong applause from the audience.
Montgomery County on Monday night considered two resolutions, with one that would declare the locality a sanctuary. The other resolution would simply declare the county’s support of the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment as it stands.
More than 600 people came to the Montgomery County government center Monday night, easily making the supervisors meeting the most widely attended one in recent years.
Pulaski County joined nearly 100 other localities across the state in passing some type of resolution supporting the Second Amendment, all stemming from a blue wave that swept over Virginia in the November elections.
Nearly all of the 800 seats set up in Central Gym to accommodate the large turnout were filled with citizens donning “Guns Save Lives” stickers, which were also worn by many in attendance in Montgomery County.
Located behind Pulaski County’s administrative building where the monthly meetings are usually held, the gym was chosen Monday night after November’s meeting resulted in a large turnout when officials first discussed the resolution.
Board Chairman Andy McCready essentially guaranteed the passage of a pro-Second Amendment resolution during that meeting, stating the board just wanted to hear from constituents before drafting a document unique to Pulaski.
Supervisor Joe Guthrie reinforced that point again Monday night.
“This is truly a Pulaski County resolution … it’s a grassroots effort from the citizens,” he said.
Guthrie said the resolution — drafted by County Administrator Jonathan Sweet — was nearly perfect, save for the use of “supportive” over “sanctuary” in the initial draft. Sweet said he chose his wording carefully as to not lull citizens into a false sense of security.
He said the resolution was mostly symbolic, but clauses like the county promising not to allocate county funds to help in the prosecution of gun laws it deems unconstitutional, gave the resolution some teeth. Additionally, the supervisors encouraged constitutional officers to follow its lead in resisting “unconstitutional” gun laws.
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Democrats picked up six seats in the House, giving them a 55-to-45 advantage, and flipped two seats in the Senate, resulting in a 21-to-19 edge in the November elections. Since then, Democratic legislators have already filed multiple gun safety bills ahead of January’s General Assembly session.
Pulaski County’s opponents of the proposed laws — which call for measures like universal background checks and keeping guns from those convicted of domestic abuse crimes, among others — have come out in droves proclaiming their support for Pulaski to join the ranks of Second Amendment sanctuary localities. The gun rights activist group Virginia Citizens Defense League has been a driving force behind the push for localities to adopt the “sanctuary” distinction across the state.
Despite the call by the league and citizens for localities to ignore any new gun laws passed after the first of the year, many officials, including those in Montgomery County and Pulaski, have warned that the “sanctuary” designation is merely symbolic as localities cannot supersede state or federal laws.
Pulaski Sheriff Mike Worrell, in a statement to supervisors, wrote that neither he nor any of his deputies “will enforce any law that is unconstitutional.” He declined further comment, making it unclear how his office would determine a law to be unconstitutional.
Commonwealth’s Attorney Mike Fleenor also wrote a letter to the board supporting Second Amendment rights.
“We … appreciate and respect the tenants of the second amendment and intend to keep those rights in mind in the event that any criminal cases arise in which those rights may be affected. Any legislation that is clearly unconstitutional or declared unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction will not be enforced by my office,” he wrote.
McCready, who lost his bid for reelection in November, told those in attendance to make sure they don’t avoid jury duty, so they can stand up for fellow citizens who they believe might be the victims of future gun laws passed by the state.
Various other residents spoke about how the English tried to take guns from settlers before the Revolutionary War. They said they may need those guns in the future in the event that a tyrannical government must be overthrown.
“I really do think we may be on the brink of another war. Things are getting so bad and it’s hard to say what may happen in the future,” said one speaker.
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In Montgomery County, those who supported the sanctuary declaration argued that the bills currently being proposed could disarm many law abiding gun owners and lead to poorer safety.
“I think enforcing the gun laws we have is the right way to approach gun laws, and separating law abiding citizens from their guns is the wrong way,” Del. Joe McNamara, R-Roanoke County, said. “I see Montgomery County citizens who feel their Second Amendment rights are being infringed on.”
Regarding the point that the sanctuary designation is mostly symbolic, McNamara echoed a point by Montgomery County Supervisor Steve Fijalkowski on how such a resolution sends a much stronger message to Richmond.
“I say, symbolic or not, the message has to be made and it has to be made strongly to Richmond,” said McNamara, who wore a “Guns Save Lives” sticker on his sports jacket.
Those who spoke in favor of a sanctuary resolution included people who lived and worked in Blacksburg on the day of the April 16, 2007, shooting at Virginia Tech.
Christiansburg resident Jennifer Wolz, who’s a prosecutor, said she lost a student on that tragic day.
While she stressed that the Tech tragedy shouldn’t be employed for political reasons, Wolz said her experience in both criminal defense and criminal prosecution has led her to doubt the effectiveness of the currently proposed gun laws.
“Bad guys don’t follow the law, they don’t care what those black books in the library say,” Wolz said. “They aren’t going to care if there are stricter gun control laws enacted … They are going to use a gun to commit a crime if they want to.”
Wolz argued that stricter gun laws would do little against criminals who cross state lines to obtain weapons or go to the dark Web, where she said firearms trafficking is exploding. She voiced concerns about the currently proposed legislation negatively impacting “law abiding good guys with guns.”
There was, however, some considerable opposition to the sanctuary request.
Although they were outnumbered by those wearing the “Guns Save Lives” stickers, many wore yellow stickers that said either “Background checks save lives” or “Kindness Saves Lives.”
Linda Plaut, a Blacksburg resident, spoke about losses to gun suicides and argued that belongings, such as firearms, shouldn’t be prioritized over the safety of loved ones.
“I don’t set my love for any of my belongings above my love for family and friends,” Plaut said. “These are not bad guys with guns. These are good guys who are playing with something they are not in an emotionally good position to be handling.”
Beth Obenshain, president of Montgomery County’s League of Women Voters, said her organization supports “common sense gun laws” to protect the public. She also said that a sanctuary resolution would be unnecessary and would accomplish nothing.
“Gov. [Ralph] Northam’s legislative proposal for gun safety have all been legislated in other states and are proven pieces of legislation that save lives,” she said. “There’s no need for the hysteria that the governor or 2020 General Assembly are going to undermine the Second Amendment.”
Megan Doney, a Christiansburg resident and a professor at New River Community College, said the county’s history with college campus shootings should make the locality more receptive to tougher stances on gun crimes. She recalled the shooting that occurred at NRCC’s Christiansburg mall site several years ago and spoke about the trauma that left on students and employees.
“It’s purely symbolic,” Doney said about a sanctuary designation. “I ask the board to consider what a Second Amendment sanctuary designation will symbolize to those who continue to suffer the lasting trauma of violence, in a county that’s suffered two school shootings.”
The Montgomery County board’s public comment period was still underway at press time.
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Pulaski County approves Second Amendment sanctuary resolution as Montgomery County hears from full house
PULASKI COUNTY — Nearly 800 citizens erupted in applause as the board of supervisors unanimously passed a motion changing its resolution to become a Second Amendment “supportive” county to a “sanctuary” county.
The change was made at the request of Fairlawn citizen Gary Hughes — the first to contact the county about the designation back in November — because he felt the word “sanctuary” had a more meaningful impact to legislators in Richmond.
Hughes said the Democratic majority is in the process of launching the “most egregious attack on the Second Amendment in the history of our republic.” Both of his comments drew strong applause from the audience.
Montgomery County on Monday night considered two resolutions, with one that would declare the locality a sanctuary. The other resolution would simply declare the county’s support of the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment as it stands.
More than 600 people came to the Montgomery County government center Monday night, easily making the supervisors meeting the most widely attended one in recent years.
Pulaski County joined nearly 100 other localities across the state in passing some type of resolution supporting the Second Amendment, all stemming from a blue wave that swept over Virginia in the November elections.
Nearly all of the 800 seats set up in Central Gym to accommodate the large turnout were filled with citizens donning “Guns Save Lives” stickers, which were also worn by many in attendance in Montgomery County.
Located behind Pulaski County’s administrative building where the monthly meetings are usually held, the gym was chosen Monday night after November’s meeting resulted in a large turnout when officials first discussed the resolution.
Board Chairman Andy McCready essentially guaranteed the passage of a pro-Second Amendment resolution during that meeting, stating the board just wanted to hear from constituents before drafting a document unique to Pulaski.
Supervisor Joe Guthrie reinforced that point again Monday night.
“This is truly a Pulaski County resolution … it’s a grassroots effort from the citizens,” he said.
Guthrie said the resolution — drafted by County Administrator Jonathan Sweet — was nearly perfect, save for the use of “supportive” over “sanctuary” in the initial draft. Sweet said he chose his wording carefully as to not lull citizens into a false sense of security.
He said the resolution was mostly symbolic, but clauses like the county promising not to allocate county funds to help in the prosecution of gun laws it deems unconstitutional, gave the resolution some teeth. Additionally, the supervisors encouraged constitutional officers to follow its lead in resisting “unconstitutional” gun laws.
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Democrats picked up six seats in the House, giving them a 55-to-45 advantage, and flipped two seats in the Senate, resulting in a 21-to-19 edge in the November elections. Since then, Democratic legislators have already filed multiple gun safety bills ahead of January’s General Assembly session.
Pulaski County’s opponents of the proposed laws — which call for measures like universal background checks and keeping guns from those convicted of domestic abuse crimes, among others — have come out in droves proclaiming their support for Pulaski to join the ranks of Second Amendment sanctuary localities. The gun rights activist group Virginia Citizens Defense League has been a driving force behind the push for localities to adopt the “sanctuary” distinction across the state.
Despite the call by the league and citizens for localities to ignore any new gun laws passed after the first of the year, many officials, including those in Montgomery County and Pulaski, have warned that the “sanctuary” designation is merely symbolic as localities cannot supersede state or federal laws.
Pulaski Sheriff Mike Worrell, in a statement to supervisors, wrote that neither he nor any of his deputies “will enforce any law that is unconstitutional.” He declined further comment, making it unclear how his office would determine a law to be unconstitutional.
Commonwealth’s Attorney Mike Fleenor also wrote a letter to the board supporting Second Amendment rights.
“We … appreciate and respect the tenants of the second amendment and intend to keep those rights in mind in the event that any criminal cases arise in which those rights may be affected. Any legislation that is clearly unconstitutional or declared unconstitutional by a court of competent jurisdiction will not be enforced by my office,” he wrote.
McCready, who lost his bid for reelection in November, told those in attendance to make sure they don’t avoid jury duty, so they can stand up for fellow citizens who they believe might be the victims of future gun laws passed by the state.
Various other residents spoke about how the English tried to take guns from settlers before the Revolutionary War. They said they may need those guns in the future in the event that a tyrannical government must be overthrown.
“I really do think we may be on the brink of another war. Things are getting so bad and it’s hard to say what may happen in the future,” said one speaker.
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In Montgomery County, those who supported the sanctuary declaration argued that the bills currently being proposed could disarm many law abiding gun owners and lead to poorer safety.
“I think enforcing the gun laws we have is the right way to approach gun laws, and separating law abiding citizens from their guns is the wrong way,” Del. Joe McNamara, R-Roanoke County, said. “I see Montgomery County citizens who feel their Second Amendment rights are being infringed on.”
Regarding the point that the sanctuary designation is mostly symbolic, McNamara echoed a point by Montgomery County Supervisor Steve Fijalkowski on how such a resolution sends a much stronger message to Richmond.
“I say, symbolic or not, the message has to be made and it has to be made strongly to Richmond,” said McNamara, who wore a “Guns Save Lives” sticker on his sports jacket.
Those who spoke in favor of a sanctuary resolution included people who lived and worked in Blacksburg on the day of the April 16, 2007, shooting at Virginia Tech.
Christiansburg resident Jennifer Wolz, who’s a prosecutor, said she lost a student on that tragic day.
While she stressed that the Tech tragedy shouldn’t be employed for political reasons, Wolz said her experience in both criminal defense and criminal prosecution has led her to doubt the effectiveness of the currently proposed gun laws.
“Bad guys don’t follow the law, they don’t care what those black books in the library say,” Wolz said. “They aren’t going to care if there are stricter gun control laws enacted … They are going to use a gun to commit a crime if they want to.”
Wolz argued that stricter gun laws would do little against criminals who cross state lines to obtain weapons or go to the dark Web, where she said firearms trafficking is exploding. She voiced concerns about the currently proposed legislation negatively impacting “law abiding good guys with guns.”
There was, however, some considerable opposition to the sanctuary request.
Although they were outnumbered by those wearing the “Guns Save Lives” stickers, many wore yellow stickers that said either “Background checks save lives” or “Kindness Saves Lives.”
Linda Plaut, a Blacksburg resident, spoke about losses to gun suicides and argued that belongings, such as firearms, shouldn’t be prioritized over the safety of loved ones.
“I don’t set my love for any of my belongings above my love for family and friends,” Plaut said. “These are not bad guys with guns. These are good guys who are playing with something they are not in an emotionally good position to be handling.”
Beth Obenshain, president of Montgomery County’s League of Women Voters, said her organization supports “common sense gun laws” to protect the public. She also said that a sanctuary resolution would be unnecessary and would accomplish nothing.
“Gov. [Ralph] Northam’s legislative proposal for gun safety have all been legislated in other states and are proven pieces of legislation that save lives,” she said. “There’s no need for the hysteria that the governor or 2020 General Assembly are going to undermine the Second Amendment.”
Megan Doney, a Christiansburg resident and a professor at New River Community College, said the county’s history with college campus shootings should make the locality more receptive to tougher stances on gun crimes. She recalled the shooting that occurred at NRCC’s Christiansburg mall site several years ago and spoke about the trauma that left on students and employees.
“It’s purely symbolic,” Doney said about a sanctuary designation. “I ask the board to consider what a Second Amendment sanctuary designation will symbolize to those who continue to suffer the lasting trauma of violence, in a county that’s suffered two school shootings.”
The Montgomery County board’s public comment period was still underway at press time.
Pulaski County approves Second Amendment sanctuary resolution as Montgomery County hears from full house
PULASKI COUNTY — Nearly 800 citizens erupted in applause as the board of supervisors unanimously passed a motion changing its resolution to become a Second Amendment “supportive” county to a
Well, I think that everyone should live in an 1850’s lifestyle. No electricity, no running water, no cars (horses only), no canned or otherwise prepared food, no antibiotics or modern mefical care, and no communication other than wired telegraph.
If you’re going to be that paranoid, do it right. You ARE living this lifestyle, right?
Oh wait, you’re on a computer. Hypocrite.
desertvet2
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Bossman,
I was referring to the situation where people are fighting a guerilla type war. I guess I should have clearly stated that. If you want comms security and do not want to be spied on while engaging in discussions about your activities then you should get rid of those things I mentioned..The Internet of things and all ..
If it ever comes down to shtf...all of that shit gets burned at my place..
But hypocrite...ouch. reading the definition...I don't think I have ever claimed to be something that I am not. And I don't need anyones approval. Nor am I a liar or a cheat.
The telegraph would be considered HIGHLY unsecure, as all you would need to do is tap Into it, and know Morse code of course.
But I could realistically go shut off the power right now and be just fine...
I was referring to the situation where people are fighting a guerilla type war. I guess I should have clearly stated that. If you want comms security and do not want to be spied on while engaging in discussions about your activities then you should get rid of those things I mentioned..The Internet of things and all ..
If it ever comes down to shtf...all of that shit gets burned at my place..
But hypocrite...ouch. reading the definition...I don't think I have ever claimed to be something that I am not. And I don't need anyones approval. Nor am I a liar or a cheat.
The telegraph would be considered HIGHLY unsecure, as all you would need to do is tap Into it, and know Morse code of course.
But I could realistically go shut off the power right now and be just fine...
Didn't take y'all long to forget Polly ....
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#DitchYourSmartphone #GreatAwakening #BigData
You Are Being Groomed
217,203 views
•Jun 19, 2019
RT 30:15