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VA National Guard Issues Statement Over Calls To Enforce Gun Control

Posted at 3:30 pm on December 13, 2019 by Cam Edwards



Democrat Congressman Donald McEachin’s comments about using the National Guard to enforce Governor Ralph Northam’s proposed gun control laws in Virginia has caused a storm of controversy in the state, to the point that the Adjutant General of the Virginia National Guard has issued a statement, after scores of phone calls and emails from concerned citizens and curious media figures. WSLS-TV in Roanoke was the first to report on the comments by Major General Timothy P. Williams.










For those who were hoping that Maj. General Williams was going to come out swinging with a “Hell no we’re not taking anybody’s guns”, it wasn’t going to happen. Even if that’s how the adjutant general feels, he’s not going to pick a fight with the governor if he doesn’t have to. He can kick this can down the road, at least until and if Northam actually requests that the National Guard go into rural counties to look for people who are allowing their 17-year old daughter to hunt unsupervised on their property, or to try to catch someone transferring a firearm without a background check.

If Northam were actually dumb enough to do that, I suspect what he’d find is yet another crisis of public confidence on his hands. Not only would he have to deal with dozens of counties and cities that have said “no” to unconstitutional gun control laws, he’d create a crisis within the Virginia National Guard, whose members swear to uphold the Constitution. Many of those National Guardsmen are gun owners and Second Amendment supporters as well, and I suspect there would be a genuine fracturing of the organization over the issue.

In fact, if you read between the lines of the adjutant general’s statement, it’s clear that McEachin’s comment is already causing a stir within the Guard itself. The men and women of the Virginia National Guard signed up to defend freedom, not establish a police state on American soil where soldiers search for scofflaws who refuse to register their rifles with the Virginia State Police.
Good read - what stood out in the Guard commander’s comments was that he was not willing to publicly reconfirm his oath to the U.S. Constitution and BOR, nor remind the public and his troops that the Guard that HE leads take their oaths and duties to the citizenry very seriously.

Troubling.

MG Williams is much less of a morally rooted military leader, and more concerned with how he is politically perceived in the eyes of his overlords and the MSM.

I don’t trust him.

MG Williams could have said, "Like our Virginia elected officials, the Virginia National Guard took an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, which is the highest law in the land.

The Virginia National Guard holds firm in our sworn constitutional oath to the Virginian citizenry.”

Nothing political about that; it is the sworn truth, and every (legitimate) Virginia Guardsman and citizen knows it. It also sends a clear shot across the bow of the Richmond communists that they are being Constitutionally scrutinized and evaluated, as this proceeds forward.


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JMG91

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VA National Guard Issues Statement Over Calls To Enforce Gun Control

Good read - what stood out in the Guard commander’s comments was that he was not willing to publicly reconfirm his oath to the U.S. Constitution and BOR, nor remind the public and his troops that the Guard that HE leads take their oaths and duties to the citizenry very seriously.

Troubling.

MG Williams is much less of a morally rooted military leader, and more concerned with how he is politically perceived in the eyes of his overlords and the MSM.

I don’t trust him.

MG Williams could have said, "Like our Virginia elected officials, the Virginia National Guard took an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, which is the highest law in the land.

The Virginia National Guard holds firm in our sworn constitutional oath to the Virginian citizenry.”

Nothing political about that; it is the sworn truth, and every Virginia Guardsman and citizen knows it. It also sends a clear shot across the bow of the Richmond communists that they are being Constitutionally scrutinized and evaluated, as this proceeds forward.


intothegoodnight
I was thinking the exact same thing when I read his statement. It strikes me that he's trying not to piss of either side; I wonder if he'll be a "pick the winning side" kind of guy.
 

Millwright

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VA National Guard Issues Statement Over Calls To Enforce Gun Control

Good read - what stood out in the Guard commander’s comments was that he was not willing to publicly reconfirm his oath to the U.S. Constitution and BOR, nor remind the public and his troops that the Guard that HE leads take their oaths and duties to the citizenry very seriously.

Troubling.

MG Williams is much less of a morally rooted military leader, and more concerned with how he is politically perceived in the eyes of his overlords and the MSM.

I don’t trust him.

MG Williams could have said, "Like our Virginia elected officials, the Virginia National Guard took an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, which is the highest law in the land.

The Virginia National Guard holds firm in our sworn constitutional oath to the Virginian citizenry.”

Nothing political about that; it is the sworn truth, and every (legitimate) Virginia Guardsman and citizen knows it. It also sends a clear shot across the bow of the Richmond communists that they are being Constitutionally scrutinized and evaluated, as this proceeds forward.


intothegoodnight
If he did that now, the guvnah would bounce his ass right out and immediately put a bootlicker in that position.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt based on Post #264

"In fact, if you read between the lines of the adjutant general’s statement, it’s clear that McEachin’s comment is already causing a stir within the Guard itself. The men and women of the Virginia National Guard signed up to defend freedom, not establish a police state on American soil where soldiers search for scofflaws who refuse to register their rifles with the Virginia State Police."

For now...
 
If he did that now, the guvnah would bounce his ass right out and immediately put a bootlicker in that position.
MG Williams is quickly nearing retirement. What does he have to lose, other than the faith of his troops and the citizenry?

The (s)elected communists "leadership" in Richmond are laying their cards on the table for all to see and discuss - the MG represents the Virginia citizen's constitutional interests, first - supposedly - and the Richmond communists know this.

Whose team shall MG Williams represent?

Enemies, foreign AND domestic.

Sworn duty.

Leadership.

Is it REALLY "just some moldy old piece of paper?"


intothegoodnight
 

Dozdoats

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Bracken Sends

Posted on December 14, 2019 | Leave a comment



Here is a “Bracken Sends.”

I think Richmond stands to be a bigger and much worse “buffalo jump” than Charlottesville. The very predictable downside risks far outweigh the imagined benefits. Attending a buffalo jump is playing to enemy strength.
Best case: national media portrays thousands of dangerous, drooling, unshaven, camo-wearing, racist mouth-breathers out of “Deliverance,” who are drunk on Wild Turkey and brandishing assault weapons while threatening to murder peace-loving Democrat politicians and people of color.
Probable case: pro-RKBA patriots and Antifas are corralled together again by the uber-PC/SJW led Virginia state police (as in C-ville) for a bloody brawl, which will be blamed 100% on the patriots. State, local and federal LEOs will be undercover among the patriots, and some will be provocateurs. Antifas will infiltrate the patriot side and unfurl Nazi and Confederate flags and throw rocks at the police. Another amped up kid will drive into a crowd, or somebody will pull a gun for a self-defense shooting as has happened before. Richmond will be a ten-pin bowling tournament in a nitroglycerin factory, all on enemy terms. A pure buffalo jump.


Worst case: an Antifa climbs up into a parking garage above and behind the patriots, and dumps a mag of 5.56 into the bused-in Bloomberg-funded “Everytown for Gun Safety” counter-demo made up of cat ladies and college kids across the avenue. The shooter drops the rifle and easily escapes in the crowds, and is never found or discovered. The false-flag massacre of the peaceful “Everytowns” will be 100% blamed on the crazy gun-toting rednecks. False flag ops work and are extremely effective. They are a second-level strategy that are successfully employed in a world of mainly first-level thinkers.

Better idea: promote the hell out of the 1-20 rally in order to bait Antifa into a massive masks, shields and truncheons turnout, but then don’t show up. Let them own the subsequent mayhem. Mass patriot demos in enemy cities 100% controlled by enemy forces and closely filmed by enemy media are pure lose-lose-lose.

If you want to hold an RKBA rally, do it on friendly ground, for example, in a rural county where the Sheriff holds a mass militia/deputizing ceremony, and a thousand patriots are issued badges to go with their AR-15s. Force the enemy media onto our terrain, where we can cut their cables, jam their signals, or just keep them out. Culpeper, yes. Richmond, no.

Be the Indian, not the Buffalo.
 

Bracken Sends

Posted on December 14, 2019 | Leave a comment



Here is a “Bracken Sends.”

I think Richmond stands to be a bigger and much worse “buffalo jump” than Charlottesville. The very predictable downside risks far outweigh the imagined benefits. Attending a buffalo jump is playing to enemy strength.
Best case: national media portrays thousands of dangerous, drooling, unshaven, camo-wearing, racist mouth-breathers out of “Deliverance,” who are drunk on Wild Turkey and brandishing assault weapons while threatening to murder peace-loving Democrat politicians and people of color.
Probable case: pro-RKBA patriots and Antifas are corralled together again by the uber-PC/SJW led Virginia state police (as in C-ville) for a bloody brawl, which will be blamed 100% on the patriots. State, local and federal LEOs will be undercover among the patriots, and some will be provocateurs. Antifas will infiltrate the patriot side and unfurl Nazi and Confederate flags and throw rocks at the police. Another amped up kid will drive into a crowd, or somebody will pull a gun for a self-defense shooting as has happened before. Richmond will be a ten-pin bowling tournament in a nitroglycerin factory, all on enemy terms. A pure buffalo jump.


Worst case: an Antifa climbs up into a parking garage above and behind the patriots, and dumps a mag of 5.56 into the bused-in Bloomberg-funded “Everytown for Gun Safety” counter-demo made up of cat ladies and college kids across the avenue. The shooter drops the rifle and easily escapes in the crowds, and is never found or discovered. The false-flag massacre of the peaceful “Everytowns” will be 100% blamed on the crazy gun-toting rednecks. False flag ops work and are extremely effective. They are a second-level strategy that are successfully employed in a world of mainly first-level thinkers.

Better idea: promote the hell out of the 1-20 rally in order to bait Antifa into a massive masks, shields and truncheons turnout, but then don’t show up. Let them own the subsequent mayhem. Mass patriot demos in enemy cities 100% controlled by enemy forces and closely filmed by enemy media are pure lose-lose-lose.

If you want to hold an RKBA rally, do it on friendly ground, for example, in a rural county where the Sheriff holds a mass militia/deputizing ceremony, and a thousand patriots are issued badges to go with their AR-15s. Force the enemy media onto our terrain, where we can cut their cables, jam their signals, or just keep them out. Culpeper, yes. Richmond, no.

Be the Indian, not the Buffalo.
Bracken should have focused his commentary upon the audacious unconstitutionality of the Richmond communists - THIS is where the problem roots, and ANY anti-constitutional light cast upon the Richmond communists in the eyes of ALL observers serves a vital (re)educational purpose for EVERYONE to contemplate/grok.

The Guard should stay neutral until asked to take sides.
They are de facto "being asked to take a side," NOW.

MG Williams, of the Virginia National Guard, is a key lynchpin between the (s)elected Richmond communists and the Virginia citizenry, whose job at this time SHOULD BE to help manifest/inculcate a pro-constitutional (re)awakening into the hearts and minds - patriots, citizens and communists, alike.

Thus far, MG Williams has missed his prime educational opportunity/duty/constitutional reminder as the leader of the Virginia National Guard.


intothegoodnight
 
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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Wise words.

Not much to be gained by a show of force in enemy territory.

The patriots can claim they have the commies "all kettled up". :lol:

Better idea: promote the hell out of the 1-20 rally in order to bait Antifa into a massive masks, shields and truncheons turnout, but then don’t show up. Let them own the subsequent mayhem. Mass patriot demos in enemy cities 100% controlled by enemy forces and closely filmed by enemy media are pure lose-lose-lose.

If you want to hold an RKBA rally, do it on friendly ground, for example, in a rural county where the Sheriff holds a mass militia/deputizing ceremony, and a thousand patriots are issued badges to go with their AR-15s. Force the enemy media onto our terrain, where we can cut their cables, jam their signals, or just keep them out. Culpeper, yes. Richmond, no.

Be the Indian, not the Buffalo.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Bracken should have focused his commentary upon the audacious unconstitutionality of the Richmond communists - THIS is where the problem roots, and ANY anti-constitutional light cast upon the Richmond communists in the eyes of ALL observers serves a vital (re)educational purpose for EVERYONE to contemplate/grok.



MG Williams, of the Virginia National Guard, is a key lynchpin between the (s)elected Richmond communists and the Virginia citizenry, whose job at this time is to help manifest/inculcate a pro-constitutional (re)awakening into the hearts and minds - patriots, citizens and communists, alike.

Thus far, MG Williams has missed his prime educational opportunity/duty/constitutional reminder.


intothegoodnight
Those that care, already know the situation.

Those that don't, ain't listening anyhow.

This whole deal is past the stage of winning hearts & minds.


ETA: It's down to strategy and tactics.
 
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Those that care, already know the situation.

Those that don't, ain't listening anyhow.

This whole deal is past the stage of winning hearts & minds.
Disagree, in part.

IF there is to be a unified pro-2A response from the citizenry, then they will need to be rallied around a firm understanding of the difference between constitutionally legitimate/proscribed activities/decisions/perspectives/governance, and the anti-constitutional opposites - their hearts must be willingly committed to these constitutionally objective truths, because THEY KNOW.

Many still slumber; products of the public education system, lost in their worlds that consist of a mix of MSM, 401K/retirement accounts, college costs, planning major purchases in their lives, children, smart devices and their soma-seductive world defined by an always connected Sauron, just to mention a few of the many time-sucks running rampant in the typical citizen's modern life. Far from many minds is the U.S. Constitution and BoR, and the most important, simple to understand directives that they contain, and the never-ending need to pay very close attention to those that would seek to deprive the citizenry of blood-earned birthrights purchased by their forefathers - either via a bite-by-bite anti-constitutional strategy, or outright direct thievery in a few big and audacious dictatorial moves (read: one cannot properly evaluate what one is mostly ignorant about).


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Warthog

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A lot of folks keep saying civil war 2, but it's going to be a 2nd Revolution war with our brothers and sisters in Virginia getting the first crack!!!!!
 

Dozdoats

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Pushing civil war

Posted on December 14, 2019 by TPOL Nathan


While Congress implodes, still further eroding public confidence in themselves, their parties, and everything else about the FedGov, the States seemingly race to see which can be the first to also melt down.

Recent stories from California, Virginia, and New Jersey illustrate this. The Virginia story is the most alarming. Virginia is very likely on the verge of civil war.

The Virginia General Assembly is now massively Democrat and strongly Regressivist after an election fueled by money from haters of our right to defend ourselves and other liberties. Together with their baby-killing Governor and accused sexual-predator Lieutenant Governor, they have already proclaimed their intent to disarm hundreds of thousands of Virginians. However, a funny thing happened: a wave of declarations of “Second Amendment Sanctuaries” swept the state: 59 jurisdictions, including three-quarters of the counties in Virginia to date, and more weekly, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

So the state government backed water, stating they would NOT actually confiscate semi-automatic black rifles. Virginian lovers of liberty (gun liberty, at least) aren’t satisfied yet: they also do not believe gun registration and prohibition on future purchases of weapons is acceptable just because they can keep their other guns for now.

So instead of continuing to talk and perhaps admitting that they were wrong, the powers that be in Virginia are doubling down. Not only are they calling for the arrest, trial, conviction, and imprisonment of any local official (sheriff or other county or city official) who does not enforce their tyrannical enactments. Now they seem to be seriously considering a proposal made by a Democrat member of Congress.

It is a simple one, as discussed by the Washington Examiner. And a very old one. Send in the troops. Deploy the Virginia National Guard to enforce their gun control. Occupy those “rebellious” portions of the state.

I assume that the military would be ordered by the governor to:
  • Round up the disobedient local officials and put them in prison, pending trial (I don’t think that the governor would authorize drumhead courts martial, but maybe I’m wrong).
  • Seize the stock of gun shops to prevent them from selling newly-illegal guns.
  • Seize the guns of anyone who has failed to register them with the state (assuming that they don’t just seize ALL guns, having dropped their recently-proposed compromise).
  • Arrest and imprison anyone who resists any of the above actions – that is, anyone who is not killed outright for resistance.
Of course, those are just the specified missions. Here are some very possible implied tasks that the National Guard units would have to accomplish, sooner or later:
  • Seal off the borders of the Commonwealth to prevent other weapons, and friends, family, allies and partisans of the arrested people, from entering Virginia.
  • Set up and operate concentration camps (excuse me, holding camps) for those arrested – Virginia doesn’t have enough jails and prisons to do so. (And for that matter, it would need to have troops run many of the jails, because those prisoners would likely include many of the staffs of those jails and prisons.)
  • Provide security for the State Capitol and office buildings in Richmond and elsewhere, and the families of state government leaders and bureaucrats. And protect their own bases: especially their 46 armories.
  • Occupy and control quarries, factories, and other locations with materials which can be used for IEDs and other weapons.
  • Road patrols and operations against snipers, IED deployment, and ambushers.
  • THE BIG ONE: Suppress mutinies within the National Guard itself, and arrest and confine those officers, NCOs, and enlisted personnel who refuse to carry out these orders.
It is a nasty, sickening scenario. But if they even attempt to order the Virginia National Guard (and it would have to be the Army National Guard, not the Air National Guard) to “enforce the law,” this is what would have to happen.

Assuming that even the senior leadership of the Virginia would actually obey. I don’t know anything about MG Timothy P. Williams. In fact, I don’t know a single member of the VA ARNG. But I suspect that many of them would NOT accept these proposed actions of the Virginia State Government as constitutional. Not only do I suspect that many of them would just not obey these orders, but many Guardsmen, from brand-new recruits just out of basic to flag officers, are going to be part of the problem (as far as Richmond is concerned). They will be the ones failing to surrender or register their weapons, and all the rest.

Indeed, many of them will likely be aiding those civilians that must have the law enforced against them: not just private citizens but sheriff’s deputies, police officers, and many more.
Let us assume, for a moment, that the Virginia Guard has become so corrupt and filled with social justice warriors that all 7500 of them obey the orders to “enforce the law.” Virginia has 8.57 million people! Forget 3% – just 1% resisting would be 85,700 people. How many private guns do Virginians have? I haven’t the foggiest.

Even if the governor called up the Virginia Defense Force (7,800 at full strength) and augmented them with draftees, (and they obeyed) I think that the mission is not possible. There are just 2700 Virginia State Police employees (no idea how many are armed). The numbers for law enforcement against even a tiny aroused and rebellious population in rural Virginia just are not there.

But the numbers for civil war ARE. At least some people WILL resist. And many of those will be in the very organizations tasked to enforce, just as the sheriffs are presently doing.
Is this really what that pair of thugs and their comrades in the General Assembly want? Do they even comprehend that? The idiot Congresscrittur obviously does not. Or do they honestly think that they can win a war in Virginia that could not be won in Afghanistan or Mesopotamia or Vietnam?
 

NoDandy

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Pushing civil war

Posted on December 14, 2019 by TPOL Nathan


While Congress implodes, still further eroding public confidence in themselves, their parties, and everything else about the FedGov, the States seemingly race to see which can be the first to also melt down.

Recent stories from California, Virginia, and New Jersey illustrate this. The Virginia story is the most alarming. Virginia is very likely on the verge of civil war.

The Virginia General Assembly is now massively Democrat and strongly Regressivist after an election fueled by money from haters of our right to defend ourselves and other liberties. Together with their baby-killing Governor and accused sexual-predator Lieutenant Governor, they have already proclaimed their intent to disarm hundreds of thousands of Virginians. However, a funny thing happened: a wave of declarations of “Second Amendment Sanctuaries” swept the state: 59 jurisdictions, including three-quarters of the counties in Virginia to date, and more weekly, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

So the state government backed water, stating they would NOT actually confiscate semi-automatic black rifles. Virginian lovers of liberty (gun liberty, at least) aren’t satisfied yet: they also do not believe gun registration and prohibition on future purchases of weapons is acceptable just because they can keep their other guns for now.

So instead of continuing to talk and perhaps admitting that they were wrong, the powers that be in Virginia are doubling down. Not only are they calling for the arrest, trial, conviction, and imprisonment of any local official (sheriff or other county or city official) who does not enforce their tyrannical enactments. Now they seem to be seriously considering a proposal made by a Democrat member of Congress.

It is a simple one, as discussed by the Washington Examiner. And a very old one. Send in the troops. Deploy the Virginia National Guard to enforce their gun control. Occupy those “rebellious” portions of the state.

I assume that the military would be ordered by the governor to:
  • Round up the disobedient local officials and put them in prison, pending trial (I don’t think that the governor would authorize drumhead courts martial, but maybe I’m wrong).
  • Seize the stock of gun shops to prevent them from selling newly-illegal guns.
  • Seize the guns of anyone who has failed to register them with the state (assuming that they don’t just seize ALL guns, having dropped their recently-proposed compromise).
  • Arrest and imprison anyone who resists any of the above actions – that is, anyone who is not killed outright for resistance.
Of course, those are just the specified missions. Here are some very possible implied tasks that the National Guard units would have to accomplish, sooner or later:
  • Seal off the borders of the Commonwealth to prevent other weapons, and friends, family, allies and partisans of the arrested people, from entering Virginia.
  • Set up and operate concentration camps (excuse me, holding camps) for those arrested – Virginia doesn’t have enough jails and prisons to do so. (And for that matter, it would need to have troops run many of the jails, because those prisoners would likely include many of the staffs of those jails and prisons.)
  • Provide security for the State Capitol and office buildings in Richmond and elsewhere, and the families of state government leaders and bureaucrats. And protect their own bases: especially their 46 armories.
  • Occupy and control quarries, factories, and other locations with materials which can be used for IEDs and other weapons.
  • Road patrols and operations against snipers, IED deployment, and ambushers.
  • THE BIG ONE: Suppress mutinies within the National Guard itself, and arrest and confine those officers, NCOs, and enlisted personnel who refuse to carry out these orders.
It is a nasty, sickening scenario. But if they even attempt to order the Virginia National Guard (and it would have to be the Army National Guard, not the Air National Guard) to “enforce the law,” this is what would have to happen.

Assuming that even the senior leadership of the Virginia would actually obey. I don’t know anything about MG Timothy P. Williams. In fact, I don’t know a single member of the VA ARNG. But I suspect that many of them would NOT accept these proposed actions of the Virginia State Government as constitutional. Not only do I suspect that many of them would just not obey these orders, but many Guardsmen, from brand-new recruits just out of basic to flag officers, are going to be part of the problem (as far as Richmond is concerned). They will be the ones failing to surrender or register their weapons, and all the rest.

Indeed, many of them will likely be aiding those civilians that must have the law enforced against them: not just private citizens but sheriff’s deputies, police officers, and many more.
Let us assume, for a moment, that the Virginia Guard has become so corrupt and filled with social justice warriors that all 7500 of them obey the orders to “enforce the law.” Virginia has 8.57 million people! Forget 3% – just 1% resisting would be 85,700 people. How many private guns do Virginians have? I haven’t the foggiest.

Even if the governor called up the Virginia Defense Force (7,800 at full strength) and augmented them with draftees, (and they obeyed) I think that the mission is not possible. There are just 2700 Virginia State Police employees (no idea how many are armed). The numbers for law enforcement against even a tiny aroused and rebellious population in rural Virginia just are not there.

But the numbers for civil war ARE. At least some people WILL resist. And many of those will be in the very organizations tasked to enforce, just as the sheriffs are presently doing.
Is this really what that pair of thugs and their comrades in the General Assembly want? Do they even comprehend that? The idiot Congresscrittur obviously does not. Or do they honestly think that they can win a war in Virginia that could not be won in Afghanistan or Mesopotamia or Vietnam?
Dozdoats, that is a very good analysis !!!

I believe the VA commiecrats are biting off much, much more than they can chew !!!
 

Dozdoats

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Seal off the borders of the Commonwealth to prevent other weapons, and friends, family, allies and partisans of the arrested people, from entering Virginia.

I REALLY want to see that done here over the mountain. REALLY. Some seriously rough terrain up here, and it took over 200 years to even get the border surveyed, marked and legally settled (1665 to 1893).
 

FireDance

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What if they don’t use the national guard and bring in another org to “pretend” to be the Guard. You guys know, BW or whatever they’re called now. I suppose that info would leak quickly but in the end would it really matter?

And if they zot cellular, electrical and so on how will “they” carry on? That part makes the least sense to me. Maybe I’m just overly tired.
 

TammyinWI

Constitindepublican with the right amount of Green
VIRGINIA GOVERNOR REPORTEDLY ORDERS PLANS TO CUT ELECTRIC, PHONES, INTERNET FOR GUN CONFISCATIONS!
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The Governor of Virginia has allegedly ordered a small cadre of staffers to begin the process for determining how to cut off electricity, telephones/ FAXES, Cellular phones AND DATA, as well as the Internet, in areas where he plans to send Virginia National Guard Troops to forcibly seize guns when the Democrat legislature convenes in January!

The order was allegedly given to a very small and trusted group of staffers, some of whom it turns out, do not agree (at all) with this idea.

To acquaint readers with what is taking place in Virginia, here are two Bills which are expected to be enacted once Democrats takeover the legislature in January:

SB 16 Assault firearms and certain firearm magazines; prohibiting sale, transport, etc., penalties.
Introduced by: Richard L. Saslaw | all patrons ... notes | add to my profiles

SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Prohibiting sale, transport, etc., of assault firearms and certain firearm magazines; penalties.
Expands the definition of "assault firearm" and prohibits any person from importing, selling, transferring, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing, or transporting an assault firearm. A violation is a Class 6 felony. The bill prohibits a dealer from selling, renting, trading, or transferring from his inventory an assault firearm to any person. The bill also prohibits a person from carrying a shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered in a public place; under existing law, this prohibition applies only in certain localities. The bill makes it a Class 1 misdemeanor to import, sell, barter, or transfer any firearm magazine designed to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.



Worse, Here is SB64:

SENATE BILL NO. 64Offered January 8, 2020Prefiled November 21, 2019
A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.

----------Patron-- Lucas----------Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice----------
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia is amended and reenacted as follows:

§ 18.2-433.2. Paramilitary activity prohibited; penalty.

A person shall be is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof
.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.

Disarmed and Ignorant
So put simply, the Democrats in Virginia want to confiscate certain privately (and lawfully) owned firearms, take them by force if they have to, and forbid their citizens from TEACHING OR LEARNING OR TRAINING WITH firearms, or any other method of physical force which can be used to hurt or kill someone (think Karate, Judo, Ju-Jitsu, Boxing, etc.) They want Virginians disarmed and ignorant.

Virgnina has 95 Counties. Of those, at least 75 have passed "Second Amendment Sanctuary" Resolutions saying they will protect citizens Second Amendment rights. Some counties have also passed Resolutions calling-up their local Militias! (The unorganized militia consists of all able-boded males from the age of 16 to 45. Some states also include females.)

Hearing of these Resolutions, the Governor apparently realizes if he and his Democrat legislature actually try this, there will be widespread resistance. So he apparently has it in his head that he will use force to achieve what he wants, and possibly send the Virginia National Guard to forcibly TAKE the guns.

If the situation were to come to that, the Governor seems to think that citizens will need to be cut off from their electric, telephones, faxes, cellular phones and cellular data, and the Internet, so they cannot tell anyone what's taking place and cannot call other citizens for help.

PREPARE

You can prepare for the coming troubles by making sure you have the following: Body Armor, an emergency generator for electric, emergency fuel for that generator, emergency heat, communications gear.

BODY ARMOR

There are lots of different manufacturers making lots of different claims about their products, but it comes down to this: Vest come in Level I, II, III and III-A with the final one being the best protection for a vest that can be worn UNDER your shirt.

A level III-A vest protects against any firearm of .44 Magnum or lower.

During civil unrest, handguns are likely to be the most-employed weapons given the hoodlums that will likely be engaging in the unrest.

Below is a link to the Body Armor that Hal Turner recommends. You get a great vest, with really good protection, for an incredibly reasonable price of about $299. You can even finance it with 1-minute approval . . . or put it on a Lay-Away plan! (at link)

If you have to engage with National Guard Troops, then you need protection from rifles, the bulkiness of the vest make them impossible to wear under shirt; they're worn outside clothing, and the costs are higher. At the link banner below, you have to get the Armor plate CARRIER (Vest) PLUS a Level IV armor plate(s). Total cost about $400 . . .



Portable Electric Generators

If electricity is cut by the Government, or some other reason, food in your refrigerator will start going bad within 8 hours. A lot depends on how often the refrigerator is opened, but within 8 hours, even closed refrigerators warm up.

You need to have a way to provide electric to keep your frig cold so you don't lose all your food. An emergency generator can do that for you.

The average family refrigerator uses 1200 watts of power. The average microwave oven is 1,000 watts, but needs about 1900 watts (IN) to produce those 1,000 watts (OUT). Of course, houses have lights, gadgets and gizmos. You need a source of emergency electric that can supply that! If you buy a generator with 1500 watts, you can power the frig, and maybe a couple lights, or a small TV. If you want to be able to run the frig and a microwave, you have to ADD the watts together to get the total, then buy a generator capable of meeting that total. Most homes can be fully powered by 7500-10,000 watts. Whatever your power needs, the links below the photos can show you all sorts and sizes of generators. REMEMBER: NEVER USE A GSASOLINE-POWERED GENERATOR INDOORS BECAUSE THE EXHAUST GAS FROM ITS MOTOR RUNNING CAN KILL YOU. THE GENERATOR STAYS OUTSIDE and powers your stuff via extension cord.

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Luddite

Veteran Member
Hal Turner?
Sterling source?
One that facilitates financing for a 300 vest. Jmho, many guard members have gone to muskatautuk. Some have learned to cut power from whole communities. Some secretly knew how stupid that kind of action would be to implement. I imagine every organization has a few drones that would do ANYTHING for mammon or man praise.
I don't believe the guvnah has started plans to make his state as dark as his Halloween pictures.

What we can clearly see he is doing is bad enough. Clouding an issue with talk about far-fetched plans is counterproductive at this stage. Again, jmho.

ETA: Cutting erectricity and communications seems to hinder interstate commerce. As much as I dislike that little federal gem, Guv Blackface would find it to be problematic.
 
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Luddite

Veteran Member
I thought “we” were going to lay siege to the blue cities?
Ya got a mouse in your pocket? :)
If people get some benefit from worst case, theoretical war gaming, it is a free country. ( Slight 4 AM sarc)
Making sure the "blue brains" understand the definition of tenuous might save everybody lots of grief.
 

20Gauge

Veteran Member
I was thinking the exact same thing when I read his statement. It strikes me that he's trying not to piss of either side; I wonder if he'll be a "pick the winning side" kind of guy.
That was the impression I received.
 

TheSearcher

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If he did that now, the guvnah would bounce his ass right out and immediately put a bootlicker in that position.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt based on Post #264

"In fact, if you read between the lines of the adjutant general’s statement, it’s clear that McEachin’s comment is already causing a stir within the Guard itself. The men and women of the Virginia National Guard signed up to defend freedom, not establish a police state on American soil where soldiers search for scofflaws who refuse to register their rifles with the Virginia State Police."

For now...
This. I'm not saying the guy is a super-patriot, but not giving the governor an excuse to relieve his is a smart play. We'll see what happens.
 

Weps

Veteran Member
They are definitely underdogs.

What if they were several thousand strong, heavily armed and many combat vets in the crowd?
I'm speaking more towards their counter-ISR methods, rather man force-size and firepower, but having manpower and firepower helps across the board.
 

AlfaMan

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Mr. General sounds like he's waiting to see which way the wind blows before he says anything more.
Which means he can't be counted on not to go confiscate weapons if told.
VA national guard is essentially a potential enemy.

At least it's not hard to disable vehicles in the NG armory yards..........


Oh-Oh


VA National Guard Issues Statement Over Calls To Enforce Gun Control

Posted at 3:30 pm on December 13, 2019 by Cam Edwards



Democrat Congressman Donald McEachin’s comments about using the National Guard to enforce Governor Ralph Northam’s proposed gun control laws in Virginia has caused a storm of controversy in the state, to the point that the Adjutant General of the Virginia National Guard has issued a statement, after scores of phone calls and emails from concerned citizens and curious media figures. WSLS-TV in Roanoke was the first to report on the comments by Major General Timothy P. Williams.










For those who were hoping that Maj. General Williams was going to come out swinging with a “Hell no we’re not taking anybody’s guns”, it wasn’t going to happen. Even if that’s how the adjutant general feels, he’s not going to pick a fight with the governor if he doesn’t have to. He can kick this can down the road, at least until and if Northam actually requests that the National Guard go into rural counties to look for people who are allowing their 17-year old daughter to hunt unsupervised on their property, or to try to catch someone transferring a firearm without a background check.

If Northam were actually dumb enough to do that, I suspect what he’d find is yet another crisis of public confidence on his hands. Not only would he have to deal with dozens of counties and cities that have said “no” to unconstitutional gun control laws, he’d create a crisis within the Virginia National Guard, whose members swear to uphold the Constitution. Many of those National Guardsmen are gun owners and Second Amendment supporters as well, and I suspect there would be a genuine fracturing of the organization over the issue.

In fact, if you read between the lines of the adjutant general’s statement, it’s clear that McEachin’s comment is already causing a stir within the Guard itself. The men and women of the Virginia National Guard signed up to defend freedom, not establish a police state on American soil where soldiers search for scofflaws who refuse to register their rifles with the Virginia State Police.
 

hiwall

Veteran Member
No bill has been passed and signed into law yet, has it? Yet here we have many people talking about CW2.
Unless I am wrong, as of this point in time, Nothing has changed at all. Everything is the same as it was a year ago.

People like to talk. And those in Congress and those in state legislatures often make up bills and introduce them for many different reasons. Most of these bills go nowhere. At this point I would say to calm down and watch your blood pressure. Yes this could get serious but it has not yet. And sure you can make plans but you sure would not be doing that on an open forum. I would strongly suggest that everyone be very careful what they say on the internet or in public. Big Brother is always watching.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Also, just did a little web surf looking for the address of the state of VA emergency ops center. That's where Gov. Blackface would go to lead his armies against us.

Guess what-the addresses for the main alternate and other state locations of the state EOC are missing (404 page not found) from the VDEM (VA dept. of emergency management) website.

VA state police admin offices location is still listed, but again not the EOC location (which used to be listed).

Some early housekeeping perhaps?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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No bill has been passed and signed into law yet, has it? Yet here we have many people talking about CW2.
Unless I am wrong, as of this point in time, Nothing has changed at all. Everything is the same as it was a year ago.

People like to talk. And those in Congress and those in state legislatures often make up bills and introduce them for many different reasons. Most of these bills go nowhere. At this point I would say to calm down and watch your blood pressure. Yes this could get serious but it has not yet. And sure you can make plans but you sure would not be doing that on an open forum. I would strongly suggest that everyone be very careful what they say on the internet or in public. Big Brother is always watching.
Is there any executive action he can take, without a passed bill?

More importantly, this massive response will definitely impact how representatives vote on any bills.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Also, just did a little web surf looking for the address of the state of VA emergency ops center. That's where Gov. Blackface would go to lead his armies against us.

Guess what-the addresses for the main alternate and other state locations of the state EOC are missing (404 page not found) from the VDEM (VA dept. of emergency management) website.

VA state police admin offices location is still listed, but again not the EOC location (which used to be listed).

Some early housekeeping perhaps?
Take this along with the disappearing news articles and digest it for a minute.

They are poopinpants skeert...and not just the guvnuh.

I takes more than some pissant like him to get the news whitewashed. I think Breitbart would tell him to FOAD, if he requested it.
 
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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Take this along with the disappearing news articles and digest it for a minute.

They are poopinpants skeert...and not just the guvnuh.

I takes more than some pissant like him to get the news whitewashed. I think Breitbart would tell him to FOAD, if he requested it.
I absolutely agree. TPTB cannot allow movements like this to gain traction. The removal of news stories clearly paints a picture of their strategy. The problem is, they executed too late this time. They won’t make that mistake again.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
This could be a planned experiment by the left to assess how the dirty masses might respond to a nationwide or state-by-state confiscation protocol. Let it unfold in VA to learn what to expect and define action-planning for the real push.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The nice thing is, I've been inside both places. And I'm there the latter part of this week. So....

I just look at stuff, it's just my job. :ussm:

Take this along with the disappearing news articles and digest it for a minute.

They are poopinpants skeert...and not just the guvnuh.

I takes more than some pissant like him to get the news whitewashed. I think Breitbart would tell him to FOAD, if he requested it.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
I think Gov floated the idea round a table and a few key folks were appalled and leaked it to the appropriate channels, so he has a 2A supporter in his midst. Hal Turner can be histrionic a bit, but he's not as bombastic as Alex and he's been somewhat measured in his rhetoric over the years, with a few misses. This sounds like it was a legit talking point in some contingency discussion. Powerline poles are fragile things, they get hit by snowplows and trainlines have derailments. It could get very froggy, very fast. I said at midweek we might even know by Sunday if things are coming to a head in Virginia.

It appears this idea of cutting off utilities and cellservice made everyone turn green as Grinch, so they are walking it back but the cats out of the bag now and they showed their hand of what they can and want to do. I agree with Doz's essay linked from The Price of Liberty, a show of force on MLK day in Richmond might end up a Chinese fingerlock trap. Better to have a rural summit and troop your colors elsewhere.

Something tells me inside that things will unravel in reverse in weird fashion and that what ended in Richmond so long ago is destined to begin there in dealing with unfinished business, history will echo in strange ways in all those key spots.

50 yrs ago this week, released as a single late 1969 and climbing the charts from their 2nd album. History never repeats exactly but it rhymes from time to time. John B. Wells said last night on his Ark Midnight show, Don't worry Don, 100 million Americans have got your back. Nobody wants this but they are NOT taking the 2nd Amendment from the people.

https://rateyourmusic.com › release › single › the-band › up-on-cripple-cre...
  1. Up on Cripple Creek / The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down, a Single by The Band. Released 29 November 1969 on Capitol Records

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JaosE-gZE
 
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