CRISIS Trump Expresses Doubt on Whether Supreme Court Will Hear Election Case

glennb6

Inactive
too bad a re-election with manual in-person voting only isn't in the cards.

I would be surprised (but not for the first time) if the military didn't run their own coup in the event that Dr Dementia and the Prostitute are appointed. Wars have been fought, trillions spent, millions have died, all in the effort to prevent the spread and threat of communism - and they'd just roll over and accept it??!!??

What thoughts on this aspect from those in or formerly in the military?
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No one knows as yet. Considering how many federal court cases have been lost, it seems like the Supreme Court is the only other stop.

Since Trump has his doubts, I have mine, too. Still, I don't trust the SC to rule in Trump's favor. The permeation of evilness has so corrupted every nook and cranny of our government to the extent that I have no doubt the SC is also corrupt, and can be bought for a price.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Since Trump has his doubts, I have mine, too. Still, I don't trust the SC to rule in Trump's favor. The permeation of evilness has so corrupted every nook and cranny of our government to the extent that I have no doubt the SC is also corrupt, and can be bought for a price.

Everyone has doubts. Even Jesus Christ had His Garden of Gethesmane moment. That you have them is to be expected from time to time. I certainly am having them.
 

TA12SEC

Senior Member
By dragging out the loss for a month or two, they once again beat our side with our own belief in what is right and just. The day after the election we all saw the numbers flip, half the country would have saddled up for war. But we were told not to worry, there's a plan just you wait and see. And our side that would see more justice in perp walks then lampposts. We waited and slowly one by one we each lost faith until we didn't want to wait anymore,we just gave up. Sure some people still thing there's a plan and Q and justice. But most people have accepted we lost, the election and our country and way of life. We were led on day after day by our sides media, only to keep us on the hook until we broke and dropped out toys and went home. Now we all moap around our homes, planing how we will posture and maneuver for the future and blaming everyone like some caught scooby doo evil doer, if it wasn't for those frauding democrats/antifa/rinos/ everyone but our selves.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just a couple of comments:

Someone mentioned Holocaust movies, here is a suggestion for one:

"Defiance" based on a true story (course it was dramatized) about the Bielski brothers.

The Bielskis were the only Jewish family in their tiny village of Stankevich, and while Jews in Belorussia were persecuted under tsarist rule, the family managed to maintain a successful mill.

In June 1941, when Nazi Germany invaded its former ally the Soviet Union, conditions for Jews worsened immediately. Jewish ghettos were established in the nearby cities of Novogrudek and Lida, which early in the war were the sites of several mass killings of Jews.

Nazis combed the countryside, and the Bielski parents and two siblings were taken to their deaths. As the gravity of the situation dawned on them, three Bielski brothers, Tuvia, Asael and Zus, who had been finding shelter with sympathetic gentiles, decided that their only hope for survival lay in the dense surrounding forests that they knew so well.

Once theyd gathered their remaining relatives, the brothers, under Tuvias leadership, staged daring rescues in Novogrudek and Lida in an effort to bring as many Jews as possible to the forest with them.

While they procured weapons and supplies to kill enemy soldiers and sabotage their operations, the Bielskis priority was the preservation of their people. Tuvia often declared that he would rather save one old Jewish woman than kill 10 Nazis.

The movie stars Daniel Craig, and gives some good ideas to living in the forest.

For others quoting scripture, which is fine by me, no problem, I would suggest we each consider all scripture. Besides Ps. 91, and 27, consider:


Eze 14:1 Then came certain of the elders of Israel unto me, and sat before me.
Eze 14:2 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 14:3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
Eze 14:4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;
Eze 14:5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.
Eze 14:6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
Eze 14:7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:
Eze 14:8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
Eze 14:10 And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;
Eze 14:11 That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me, neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord GOD.


Eze 14:12 The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
Eze 14:13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
Eze 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 14:15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:
Eze 14:16 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.
Eze 14:17 Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:
Eze 14:18 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.
Eze 14:19 Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:
Eze 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
Eze 14:21 For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?
Eze 14:22 Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.
Eze 14:23 And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

One should notice the difference in pronouncements concerning an individual, vs 1-11, and those in respect to a nation that sinneth against God. vs 14-23.

IMHO
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
too bad a re-election with manual in-person voting only isn't in the cards.

I would be surprised (but not for the first time) if the military didn't run their own coup in the event that Dr Dementia and the Prostitute are appointed. Wars have been fought, trillions spent, millions have died, all in the effort to prevent the spread and threat of communism - and they'd just roll over and accept it??!!??

What thoughts on this aspect from those in or formerly in the military?

The military from 40 years ago during the beginning of the Regan era would fight it. I’m not sure about today. Most in the military are younger kids educated in the globalist public schools and their officer corps is designed to not promote you unless you exhibit groupthink as well. Obama pretty much decimated the old school officer pool with exceptions of the few rogues like Flynn and Rogers that bucked that system.
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.
Really? You might want to go and re-read the article to the link you posted. Why do you think the judge issued the order? It tells you why right there in the article.

There's your proof.

To use your words: Sorry, but no.

I have had to use the phrase: “I repeat” a number of times, already. Enough. Go back and read what I posted about GA and your use of the word ‘all’.

And address ALL points vs. cherry picking.

I note that you choose to ignore the fact that the White Hats possess the crooked CIA server. From what I have read, and heard, many, many many more votes were altered via the software. Why do you think that they sent a military team over there to capture it? That and the fact that foreigners were involved. I would add that Gen. McInerney stated that he has been informed (yet to confirm) that one or more lives of the White Hats were lost in doing so.


Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election
Issued on: September 12, 2018
www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/


Communists do not give two whits about any ruling a court makes that they disagree with. The "law" is irrelevant. Especially when the "law" is ignored and refused to be enforced, while other 'laws' that benefit the tyrants ARE enforced.

I never said that they did. What is the purpose of the above comment?


We've been told that ad nauseum for the last 4 years in regards to overt sedition and criminality. No joy
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Agreed. But I am not ready to panic, and neither should you be.


Bewilderment is coming for all those who have their faith firmly placed in 'the system'.

I trust the system more than the players (the Black Hats) within the system.


I pray I am wrong about that - but judging the fruits of the enemy by what they are saying and doing - I'd say my discernment is sadly likely.

What part of my statements to the effect that ‘Martial Law and/or Civil War are coming’ and ‘the Communists will overrun America’ are unclear?


I have no advice for Trump that would matter to him, not that he would listen to anyone of my stature to begin with.

Oh. No advice.


As to what 'we' on this board should do - I have been very clear on that: know what time it is and be ready to do what must be done if you want to survive. Mindset is the first thing to get right - or bewilderment and shock will render you helpless.

And that is your answer? When the men in black and the Blue Helmets show up at your door tell them that you have your mind right…..and you and your family will be safe?


The only tangible benefit of that; is the justification to do what must be done to refuse and resist, as all governmental authority usurped is wholly illegitimate. In actuality, it has been for some time. This government is unfit to rule a free people who are governed by God and exercise liberty.

Did you read what I posted? I think not. I will not repeat, nor panic when only a few weeks are involved to present a much clearer picture. The White Hats have not even had a chance to present the evidence that they have garnered yet! Let the public see the evidence amassed to date.
Optics are everything. Public perception is important.



OK. Sounds good; lacks any substance.


No thanks. Your Q pals have been promising this shit for 4 years - no joy. They too kept stringing people along "just wait - let's talk again in 6 weeks.... next year..... in 2020 - you will see all the indictments will rain down and the swamp will be drained... blah, blah, blah" BULLSHIT! It was all a ruse that so many fell for.

OK, go get your mindset right and await the men in black. That will do the trick.


I did not make the promise to "lock her up" (meaning to hold her to account for abject criminality) and then renege on it. Trump did. Right then and there - was your sign.

This is not the time to panic. You might read what I have posted above. Did Trump take these steps for nothing? Is Trump the kind of guy to allow Black Hats to overrun him without a fight? Prepare as directed, pray and watch….and stand at the ready to flee to the refuges, at the appropriate time.


How many deep-state lackeys did he have in his cabinet that he put in there to run interference for the Democrats??

You remember his pledge to "only hire the best people"???

Agreed. I will never understand that.


Yeah, and then what? If Trump concedes and steps aside - your Q pals are going to be promising endlessly, plans for a military coup to right the wrongs of 2020 - and we just need to sit tight, wait and be patient - because rescue is coming.... along with more sealed secret indictments that we never see any fruits of
.

Once again. No recommendations from you except to ‘get out minds right’. That’ll do it?


And who is going to do that? Biden's DOJ? The FBI? The CIA? The Pentagon Chiefs? The Courts and SCOTUS? (where is their army by the way?) Hint: those will be virtually the same cabal in office now that helped try and impeach Trump and refuse to follow his orders.

There's dreaming and hoping and then there is reality.

And the fruits speak.

I am not in for panic, and certainly not before the Fat Lady has had a chance to sing.

I expect that regardless of Trump’s triumph via the ‘system’ or not, that Martial Law and/or Civil War are coming (The sides may not be wearing pretty uniforms, but war nonetheless.); and eventually and regardless, the Communists will overrun America.



I have had enough of this endless chatter without substance. I will see you in 90 days, if we have not left for the refuges by then.

How to address that which has arrived:
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.
What Cub has said in general, and this, in particular, tells me that Trump et al really have some actions up their sleeve.
Finally, my thought as soon as I saw this headline was back to Sun Tzu: "When you are strong, appear weak."

For your thoughtful consideration:

Trump Executive Orders re: the Black Hats


Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption, Issued on: December 21, 2017
[Key provision is the designation of a “national emergency”, thus allowing Trump to employ the US Military in civilian affairs; including not only riot suppression, but arrests and prosecution of Black Hats via Military Tribunals and the UCMJ avoiding the corrupt civilian courts.]
www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-blocking-property-persons-involved-serious-human-rights-abuse-corruption/

Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election
Issued on: September 12, 2018
www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

Presidential Executive Order on Protecting America Through Lawful Detention of Terrorists, Issued on: January 30, 2018
[Keeping U.S. Naval Station at Guantánamo Bay open, and later designating $500MM from the Budget to rebuild it.]
Presidential Executive Order on Protecting America Through Lawful Detention of Terrorists | The White House

When it Comes to Guantanamo, Trump is Truly the Builder in Chief
[Can’t remember if this article addresses it or another, but he is not only building new cells for prisoners, but new court rooms and barracks for the White Hats.] 28 Mar 2018
www.military.com/daily-news/2018/03/28/when-it-comes-guantanamo-trump-truly-builder-chief.html
Guantanamo Bay Is Expanding Under Donald Trump - The Fifth Column
US military plans for future at Guantanamo because of Trump


MANPOWER GUIDANCE FOR ACTIVATION AND DEACTIVATION OF RESERVE COMPONENT (RC) MARINES ORDERED TO ACTIVE DUTY ISO DEFENSE SUPPORT OF CIVIL AUTHORITIES
Date Signed: 10/3/2019
[Trump amended procedures for using the USMC in civilian affairs, and activating them at a moment’s notice.]
www.marines.mil/News/Messages/Messages-Display/Article/1979422/manpower-guidance-for-activation-and-deactivation-of-reserve-component-rc-marin

Senator Lindsey Graham Questions Brett Kavanaugh on Military Law vs Criminal Law.
[Why such questioning?]
RT: 3:36

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gmOsnjrZw

Trump on the Globalists (2016 Campaign)
RT: 5:49
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ


Senators and Representatives Can Be Arrested for Criminal Offenses

ArtI.S6.C1.1.2 Privilege From Arrest

Article I, Section 6, Clause 1:

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

This clause is practically obsolete. It applies only to arrests in civil suits, which were still common in this country at the time the Constitution was adopted. 1 It does not apply to service of process in either civil 2 or criminal cases. 3 Nor does it apply to arrest in any criminal case. The phrase treason, felony or breach of the peace is interpreted to withdraw all criminal offenses from the operation of the privilege. 4

Footnotes

Jump to essay-1 Long v. Ansell, 293 U.S. 76 (1934).
Jump to essay-2293 U.S. at 83.
Jump to essay-3 United States v. Cooper, 4 U.S. (4 Dall.) 341 (C.C. Pa. 1800).
Jump to essay-4 Williamson v. United States, 207 U.S. 425, 446 (1908).




US Justice Department amends federal execution rules to allow death by hanging, electric chair, gas chamber & FIRING SQUAD
28 Nov, 2020
www.rt.com/usa/508070-doj-executions-firing-squad/
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
One should notice the difference in pronouncements concerning an individual, vs 1-11, and those in respect to a nation that sinneth against God. vs 14-23.


Exactly and AMEN.

And yet Christians continue to cling to the idea that because of a remnant few who are faithful - YAH is going to save the nation.

No. He isn't.

We go the way of Ancient Israel, even moreso. We will be utterly destroyed as a nation and what people remain, in hiding or slaves.

Because we have sinned as a people, and did not cry out against the leavening of evil in our culture and ultimately were leavened by it ourselves.

Which is exactly how we lost liberty in the first place, because as has been posted of late - only a moral and religious people are capable of liberty and only those people could maintain a Constitution of limited government that protected natural rights.
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
I note that you choose to ignore the fact that the White Hats possess the crooked CIA server.

What independently verified "fact" are you getting that from outside of more Q-anon Hopium and some interviews from people who speculate without any official confirmation? That crap has strung you people along for 4 freaking years to no joy whatsoever - and STILL you people fall for it like lemmings.

What is the purpose of the above comment?

You keep going back to the erroneous belief that somehow mythically - the LAW is somehow going to assert itself upon the lawless who ignore it wholesale, in the absence of anyone in authority willing to impose it. The Rule of Law is DEAD - and apparently the majority will refuse to believe that is the case until THEY are dead.

But I am not ready to panic, and neither should you be.

I'm not in any kind of panic. I've moved on, in vitriolic disgust, recognizing what you refuse to because your faith is misplaced.

I trust the system more than the players (the Black Hats) within the system.

Your trust is woefully misplaced. The black hats ARE the system. You are just too naivé to see it or too infected with Normalcy Bias to accept it.

When the men in black and the Blue Helmets show up at your door tell them that you have your mind right…..and you and your family will be safe?

Truly you are not that big of an imbecile as your statement would lead someone to think. The 'right mindset' means that your black and blue helmets are not making it to my door... alive, because I realize what time it is we have arrived and am preparing for what will be necessary.

OK, go get your mindset right and await the men in black.
As opposed to you awaiting patiently for Qanon's empty promises of white hats saving our ass? Equating hanging on those phantoms as some kind of readiness?

No recommendations from you except to ‘get out minds right’. That’ll do it?

First step to survival, and too many are not going to make it because they are clinging to false hopes and faith - some of it spurned on by the empty Hopium of Q.

Did Trump take these steps for nothing? Is Trump the kind of guy to allow Black Hats to overrun him without a fight?

Apparently so. As if scripted Reality TV shows is how he assumed real life politics works. Because again - I am not the one who reneged on the goading he encouraged to 'lock her up' and 'drain the swamp' while filling his staff and cabinet with Obama stooges and Deep Statists sabotaging all of his tweeted rhetoric while he was left to govern via fleeting Executive Orders that are going bye bye on day One of Harris-Biden.

Trump Executive Orders re: the Black Hats

Executive Orders are toothless and of no endurance or sustenance - especially when those charged to carry out the orders refuse to do so and the Courts strike them down... repeatedly as "illegal".

All those EO's go Bye Bye with a stroke of a pen by whatever EO's Biden/Harris/Communist Pukes have likely already have written and ready to go.
 

Sicario

The Executor
...you know what, okay. Going to give you one chance to recant the outright lie in this sentence. I've bolded it for your convenience.
He's still just over-generalizing and projecting. :rolleyes:
He is one of several folks here whose omniscience is desperately in need of repair.
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
...you know what, okay. Going to give you one chance to recant the outright lie in this sentence. I've bolded it for your convenience.

And yet this culture is a living testament to the utter silence, accommodation or indifference to evil and crickets whereareas Isaiah 58:1 is concerned. And yes, I deliberately used the word "we" - because despite what we gripe about, the fact remains that this current culture is an indictment against "we". Myself included - despite the small individual efforts made to try and denounce what we have become.

God did not hold back Indicting Israel for the sins of His people. Habakkuk 1:3-4 is a living testament against this country as much as it was against Israel. Jeremiah and other prophets were trying to get their people to repent at that time and yet YAH notes the silence and complicity of the people with sin.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
And yet this culture is a living testament to the utter silence, accommodation or indifference to evil and crickets whereareas Isaiah 58:1 is concerned. And yes, I deliberately used the word "we" - because despite what we gripe about, the fact remains that this current culture is an indictment against "we". Myself included - despite the small individual efforts made to try and denounce what we have become.

God did not hold back Indicting Israel for the sins of His people. Habakkuk 1:3-4 is a living testament against this country as much as it was against Israel. Jeremiah and other prophets were trying to get their people to repent at that time and yet YAH notes the silence and complicity of the people with sin.

How nice that you've gone from "there has been no outcry" to "there has been some outcry but it is too small to be meaningful."

I will accept your recantation, meager as it may be, and promote you from "outright liar" to "shameless exaggerator."
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
How nice that you've gone from "there has been no outcry" to "there has been some outcry but it is too small to be meaningful."

I will accept your recantation, meager as it may be, and promote you from "outright liar" to "shameless exaggerator."
INVAR is right on this one... The majority lived comfortably and tolerated and did not cry out! Call it what you want, but you'd have to be blind not to see the truth in it. Maybe a few did, but the majority worshipped Hollywood, Sports and Self.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
INVAR is right on this one... The majority lived comfortably and tolerated and did not cry out! Call it what you want, but you'd have to be blind not to see the truth in it. Maybe a few did, but the majority worshipped Hollywood, Sports and Self.

No, INVAR was wrong. He said there was no outcry. I bolded it deliberately in case of misunderstanding like this one.

There was quite clearly outcry. That no one cared about the outcry, or did anything in response to it, is irrelevant. He said it did not exist. I could prove otherwise.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
No, INVAR was wrong. He said there was no outcry. I bolded it deliberately in case of misunderstanding like this one.

There was quite clearly outcry. That no one cared about the outcry, or did anything in response to it, is irrelevant. He said it did not exist. I could prove otherwise.
The amount of outcry, true outcry to the Lord was infinitesimal in scope, splitting hairs does not negate the truth in the statement. How many people do you think were on their knees, in tears, crying to the Lord, consistently, daily?
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
The amount of outcry, true outcry to the Lord was infinitesimal in scope, splitting hairs does not negate the truth in the statement. How many people do you think were on their knees, in tears, crying to the Lord, consistently, daily?

You act as though that matters.

How many people were needed for God to spare Sodom?

How many people do I think were "on their knees, in tears, crying to the Lord, consistently, daily"? Go on, quantify further! How many tears are sufficient to sway the Lord? How many decibels of volume are required? Show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where your own measures are expressed!

You can call it "splitting hairs" all you wish. It will not change the truth of what I said.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
You act as though that matters.

How many people were needed for God to spare Sodom?

How many people do I think were "on their knees, in tears, crying to the Lord, consistently, daily"? Go on, quantify further! How many tears are sufficient to sway the Lord? How many decibels of volume are required? Show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where your own measures are expressed!

You can call it "splitting hairs" all you wish. It will not change the truth of what I said.
It isn't the number of tears, but it does take true conviction and true faith. Carry on, you go your way on this and I'll go mine... Minds won't be changed.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
It isn't the number of tears, but it does take true conviction and true faith. Carry on, you go your way on this and I'll go mine... Minds won't be changed.

I'll just say, remember the publican. He stood afar off, smote his breast and asked God to have mercy on him, a sinner. He had no tears. He was not on his knees. His face was not in the dirt.

But how did God take the publican?
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It isn't the number of tears, but it does take true conviction and true faith. Carry on, you go your way on this and I'll go mine... Minds won't be changed.

I'm going to agree with you, and make one statement to add to what you just said. It takes true conviction, true faith, and true repentance. Without those three, it matters not how many tears are shed, or how many cry out to God. God will not hear.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
We are splitting hairs in a way. God can and will judge an individual nation as a whole and yet spare his people in the midst of it. A number of examples come to mind such as Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Daniel 6 or Lot with Sodom and Gomorrah or even Daniel in the lion's den. Nothing is too hard for God but there were also a lot of believers that died under persecution that they didn't deserve either.

I keep coming back to the same thing though that if there was a better way for God to accomplish his will then he would do it that way. Whether he delivers us or not from the tribulations of this world matters little in the long run, eh?
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
We are splitting hairs in a way. God can and will judge an individual nation as a whole and yet spare his people in the midst of it. A number of examples come to mind such as Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Daniel 6 or Lot with Sodom and Gomorrah or even Daniel in the lion's den. Nothing is too hard for God but there were also a lot of believers that died under persecution that they didn't deserve either.

I keep coming back to the same thing though that if there was a better way for God to accomplish his will then he would do it that way. Whether he delivers us or not from the tribulations of this world matters little in the long run, eh?

I think a lot of people can't get past the idea that God is like themselves, or that he has to act a certain way. God is looking at the big picture while we can't see any further than the present. We may see persecution and temporal suffering as a bad thing, but throughout the bible he has used all of that and more for his purposes.

The United States was not handed down upon high like the tablets he gave moses, and there is no promise to preserve it forever. We will all die someday, whether or not this country still exists and in that day whether we are a citizen of the US won't matter, whether we placed our faith in him will matter and also we will be called to account for what we did or did not do according to what he wanted in our life.

My current thinking is everyone needs to figure out what God wants us to be about and then get about doing it and if judgment falls, don't stand around denying it's happening, just be about what you're supposed to be about and let God sort out the rest.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We are splitting hairs in a way. God can and will judge an individual nation as a whole and yet spare his people in the midst of it. A number of examples come to mind such as Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in Daniel 6 or Lot with Sodom and Gomorrah or even Daniel in the lion's den. Nothing is too hard for God but there were also a lot of believers that died under persecution that they didn't deserve either.

I keep coming back to the same thing though that if there was a better way for God to accomplish his will then he would do it that way. Whether he delivers us or not from the tribulations of this world matters little in the long run, eh?

You're right. God has had his plan laid out, since before the foundation of the world. Who does man think he is to try and change it? That includes his plan for the USA and for each individual. God knew, before the beginning of time that America would be exactly where we are, and what His plans for us would be from beginning to end. He already knows if this nation will repent, and cry out to Him, or if His righteous judgment will continue to fall.

To me, this whole conversation is disjointed in a way. Bits and pieces of Scripture and thoughts posted here and there, but yet, we fail to look at the whole Word of God as a complete picture in light of where we find ourselves, today.

Yet, in our human zeal, we do the best we can. Myself included.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
You're right. God has had his plan laid out, since before the foundation of the world. Who does man think he is to try and change it? That includes his plan for the USA and for each individual. God knew, before the beginning of time that America would be exactly where we are, and what His plans for us would be from beginning to end. He already knows if this nation will repent, and cry out to Him, or if His righteous judgment will continue to fall.

To me, this whole conversation is disjointed in a way. Bits and pieces of Scripture and thoughts posted here and there, but yet, we fail to look at the whole Word of God as a complete picture in light of where we find ourselves, today.

Yet, in our human zeal, we do the best we can. Myself included.

Through a mirror darkly.

Yet there must be some room to modify the plan, here and there, otherwise what value would there be in prayer? Or any prayer besides "thy will be done."
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Through a mirror darkly.

Yet there must be some room to modify the plan, here and there, otherwise what value would there be in prayer? Or any prayer besides "thy will be done."

If we pray in accordance to God's will/plan, he always hears our prayers. That's our problem. We don't always know His will. That's why we should trust him, and acknowledge that His ways are not our ways in all things. God does not have a Plan B.
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
I will accept your recantation, meager as it may be, and promote you from "outright liar" to "shameless exaggerator."

I can care less what adjectives or derrogatories you want to assign me. I'm not governed by what people think of me or disdain of what I write.

You act as though that matters.

Faith without works is dead.

Confession without repentance is pointless.

In Micah Chapter 7, God Himself inspired the words "the godly man has perished from the earth; there is no one upright among men" written yet while the Prophets like Micah and Jeremiah were begging and crying aloud for the nation to repent and turn from their wicked ways. Was Micah a liar in saying there was no one upright among men? Did that include both he and prophets like Amos, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Hosea who were his contemporaries during his lifetime?

How many people were needed for God to spare Sodom?

Where is Sodom today and why not? Do we have anywhere else in scripture a statement that says God will never destroy a nation if there are but ten righteous in it?? Why do we assume that Abraham's negotiating with YAH over extending Mercy to a wholly pagan and evil nation applies to a nation of former Christians whose entire culture was built and based from the principles of scripture? Is there not a reason Yeshua said that it would be better in the Day of Judgment for Sodom and Tyre than for the nation of Judah and Benjamin??

How much worse for us, than even them?

Show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where your own measures are expressed!

My measures are irrelevant and immaterial. We have biblical and secular history and the Word to glean understanding from. The Northern Kingdoms of Israel were destroyed utterly and their remnants assimilated into other cultures as slaves. The Seven Churches of Revelation, no longer exist and are all Muslim today. All allowed their culture to abandon YAH - and so - they withered and died or were destroyed in total.

Shall we say YAH was not fair because there were at least 300 righteous we know of in Jerusalem in 70 A.D.? Yet the Romans destroyed the city in it's entirety, sparing no one. The siege itself caused parents to kill and eat their own children. Shall we say then that God abandoned them? There were 11 Disciples, including Peter that dwelt there in Jerusalem at the time Rome surrounded it. Surely their righteousness, prayers and tears should have spared the city from it's utter annihilation using your measures - should they not?

So where do we get this idea that America is any different from any of them - that somehow we are 'special' and will be saved when our culture has grown so evil and wicked, that righteousness itself is declared an evil? How long will we deceive ourselves to think that because of a remnant faithful - that God is going to forever spare this nation it's consequences justly deserved?

The faith of MANY who have assumed such understanding and belief is going to melt like brown sugar in boiling water when the heat of our judgment comes in its fullness.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
By dragging out the loss for a month or two, they once again beat our side with our own belief in what is right and just. The day after the election we all saw the numbers flip, half the country would have saddled up for war. But we were told not to worry, there's a plan just you wait and see. And our side that would see more justice in perp walks then lampposts. We waited and slowly one by one we each lost faith until we didn't want to wait anymore,we just gave up. Sure some people still thing there's a plan and Q and justice. But most people have accepted we lost, the election and our country and way of life. We were led on day after day by our sides media, only to keep us on the hook until we broke and dropped out toys and went home. Now we all moap around our homes, planing how we will posture and maneuver for the future and blaming everyone like some caught scooby doo evil doer, if it wasn't for those frauding democrats/antifa/rinos/ everyone but our selves.

one of my first posts yesterday morning speaks directly to these facts. it is why I rail against defeatist attitudes and "we can't". we can not sit back and simply "accept this".

NO that doesn't mean we should be out "plinking". it simply means that WE will have an opportunity to address it down the road. but WE need ALL of us to do so. do not allow ANY defeat into your consciousness - its a mind killer. it saps your will. we are not beaten until we are.

I acknowledge that there are times I don't do a very good job of "calmly speaking" to that issue. I apologize for the times I have been inappropriate or offensive. to be frank - like each and everyone of us here - I am beyond sideways over the blatant in your face theft and the depth of evil in this country.

I further acknowledge that GODs perfect will may very well be the utter destruction of this nation. we are certainly deserving of HIS wrath. however GOD hasn't spoken that - not to me - and probably not to anyone else here - so how do we know? my biggest fear is that we will calmly and patiently allow this nation to be stolen from us. that we will once again treat our wounds with "tincture of apathy" and calm "acceptance" as we have always and repeatedly done in the past. were that to happen under these circumstances it would be an unspeakable tragedy, and the world would become a very dark place indeed.

I sincerely pray that does not happen and I sincerely pray that none will call us defeated until we are.
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
You act as though that matters.

How many people were needed for God to spare Sodom?

How many people do I think were "on their knees, in tears, crying to the Lord, consistently, daily"? Go on, quantify further! How many tears are sufficient to sway the Lord? How many decibels of volume are required? Show me ANYWHERE in Scripture where your own measures are expressed!

You can call it "splitting hairs" all you wish. It will not change the truth of what I said.

Ezekiel 9. (Its a terrifying chapter to read)

However, I believe some of us are sealed because of our cries and sighs in the Spirit, for the terrible things done in this land and in our name. (as a nation)

It only takes 1 righteous person for God to spare a city. (Lot was righteous)

So He had to move Lot out before He could bring down utter destruction.

I agree with you B in that their are those God will spare the brunt of His wrath.

Which is why I believe americas 1st destruction will be localized. (because of the righteous here)

But the 2nd destruction is utter because non of us will be left at that point. (dead or whisked away)

My opinion about america twice destroyed though.
 

Coulter

Veteran Member
...you know what, okay. Going to give you one chance to recant the outright lie in this sentence. I've bolded it for your convenience.
We as a people cried out? Or just a tiny percentage?

I remember when this was a - much - much better country and then Billy Graham's wife said - "If God doesn't soon bring judgment upon America, He'll have to go back and apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!"
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
It's Invar's thread and he controls how it morphs.

I have no problem having these sorts of biblical discussions and exhortations on my threads - because - Liberty and our natural rights are intricately tied to moral and biblical religion. You can read the Founders for proof of that. Everything this nation is suffering and going through is the direct result of a culture that has willfully separated God and religion from everything.

The OP was all about Trump expressing doubt as to whether or not SCOTUS was going to even hear any of his election challenges. The subsequent discussion, related to the news article linked was about trust and faith - so this thread became a discussion of where those things are rooted and placed; faith in Trump and the system - faith in God alone - or whether we should have faith that God is going to save us - and why or why not.

These are vital discussions to have in my estimation, because enduring what is coming is going to require that our faith be in the correct place and that our eyes are opened to what both our enemies are going to do, and what we must do if we want to survive.

There are historical precedents and similarities to glean from, just as there are biblical histories and biblical admonishments to glean from. Both, in my estimation are vital - because we are not just dealing with the flesh, but evil spirits in high positions of power and authority.
 
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