Best answer to that question is the number of Ohio SSBNs that are on patrol right now or could immediately sortie.
One pretty much covers all the individual aim points in North Korea or Iran, never mind the PRC...
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Best answer to that question is the number of Ohio SSBNs that are on patrol right now or could immediately sortie.
One pretty much covers all the individual aim points in North Korea or Iran, never mind the PRC...
LoupGarou
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Sorry about the earlier, not meant to be cryptic, post. Just posting rather quickly as I started to pack up for heading home.
Yes, I was talking earlier about the SBX-1's whereabouts. If they need to crank that unit up to normal operating power, they will probably move it at least a few dozen miles from shore. That ship has the ability to pump out around 130,000 watts of power on frequencies that you really don't want to be near if on (near the same frequencies as old police radar units). It, and a small handful of other similarly equipped ships are the eyes and ears of the BMD (Ballistic Missile Defense) that we have, including THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) Missile/Anti-Missile system. My bet, if TPTB feel there is a real threat to CONUS (the Continental United States) they will move away from shore in the next week (if it hasn't already), and park it closer to 1/4 the way to NK off of the west coast. It's job is to track anything moving (incoming to here or other assets near it) and let the rest of the system know exact positioning of the inbound.
At last check it was still in port. If it moves, then I might raise my tension level up a bit. I'm not hearing anybody being pulled out of SK right now in large numbers, commercial or Military. Could something happen closer to the US, sure. I just don't see NK talking a long shot, when a cheap shot is a lot closer and easier, and UN doesn't have a large bankroll to keep things going, just a LOT of people that are hungry and can run fast.
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Yes, I was talking earlier about the SBX-1's whereabouts. If they need to crank that unit up to normal operating power, they will probably move it at least a few dozen miles from shore. That ship has the ability to pump out around 130,000 watts of power on frequencies that you really don't want to be near if on (near the same frequencies as old police radar units). It, and a small handful of other similarly equipped ships are the eyes and ears of the BMD (Ballistic Missile Defense) that we have, including THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) Missile/Anti-Missile system. My bet, if TPTB feel there is a real threat to CONUS (the Continental United States) they will move away from shore in the next week (if it hasn't already), and park it closer to 1/4 the way to NK off of the west coast. It's job is to track anything moving (incoming to here or other assets near it) and let the rest of the system know exact positioning of the inbound.
At last check it was still in port. If it moves, then I might raise my tension level up a bit. I'm not hearing anybody being pulled out of SK right now in large numbers, commercial or Military. Could something happen closer to the US, sure. I just don't see NK talking a long shot, when a cheap shot is a lot closer and easier, and UN doesn't have a large bankroll to keep things going, just a LOT of people that are hungry and can run fast.
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US STOCKS-Futures lower amid mounting tensions between U.S., N. Korea
Reuters
* Futures down: Dow 32 pts, S&P 9.25 pts, Nasdaq 32.75 pts
By Tanya Agrawal
August 9 2017 7:39AM ET (Reuters) - U.S. stock index futures were lower on Wednesday as investors moved away from risky assets following escalating tensions between North Korea and the United States.
* North Korea said it was considering firing missiles at Guam, a U.S.-held Pacific island, after President Donald Trump on Tuesday warned the nuclear-armed nation that it would face "fire and fury" if it threatened the United States
* Safe-haven assets gained. Gold rose 0.6 percent, while the Swiss franc was on track to post its biggest single day rise in about two-and-a-half years.
* U.S. stocks closed lower on Tuesday after Trump's comments sparked a late afternoon selling. The Dow industrials snapped a 9-day streak of closing records.
* The CBOE Volatility Index, the most widely followed barometer of expected near-term stock market volatility, closed at its highest in about a month.
* European shares were also lower following reports that a car had rammed a group of soldiers in Paris, injuring six.
* U.S. trading volume has been low with summer setting in and the U.S. Congress expected to be in recess until Sept. 5. The S&P hasn't moved more than 0.5 percent in one day since July and has fallen more than 1 percent only twice this year.
* Economic data expected on Wednesday includes worker productivity for the second quarter, which is expected to have increased at a 0.7 percent annual rate after remaining unchanged in the previous quarter. Labor cost for the quarter is also expected to have risen 1.2 percent.
* Shares of Dow component Walt Disney were down 3.77 percent in premarket trading after the company said it will stop providing new movies to Netflix starting in 2019 and launch its own streaming service. Netflix was down 4.01 percent.
* Travel website operator Priceline fell 7.03 percent, while travel-review website operator TripAdvisor was down 7.96 percent after both the companies issued disappointing forecasts.
Futures snapshot at 7:11 a.m. ET (1111 GMT):
* Dow e-minis were down 32 points, or 0.15 percent, with 30,045 contracts changing hands.
* S&P 500 e-minis were down 9.25 points, or 0.37 percent, with 232,205 contracts traded.
* Nasdaq 100 e-minis were down 32.75 points, or 0.55 percent, on volume of 38,103 contracts.
(Reporting by Tanya Agrawal; Editing by Sriraj Kalluvila)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-idUSKBN1AP1AB
Reuters
* Futures down: Dow 32 pts, S&P 9.25 pts, Nasdaq 32.75 pts
By Tanya Agrawal
August 9 2017 7:39AM ET (Reuters) - U.S. stock index futures were lower on Wednesday as investors moved away from risky assets following escalating tensions between North Korea and the United States.
* North Korea said it was considering firing missiles at Guam, a U.S.-held Pacific island, after President Donald Trump on Tuesday warned the nuclear-armed nation that it would face "fire and fury" if it threatened the United States
* Safe-haven assets gained. Gold rose 0.6 percent, while the Swiss franc was on track to post its biggest single day rise in about two-and-a-half years.
* U.S. stocks closed lower on Tuesday after Trump's comments sparked a late afternoon selling. The Dow industrials snapped a 9-day streak of closing records.
* The CBOE Volatility Index, the most widely followed barometer of expected near-term stock market volatility, closed at its highest in about a month.
* European shares were also lower following reports that a car had rammed a group of soldiers in Paris, injuring six.
* U.S. trading volume has been low with summer setting in and the U.S. Congress expected to be in recess until Sept. 5. The S&P hasn't moved more than 0.5 percent in one day since July and has fallen more than 1 percent only twice this year.
* Economic data expected on Wednesday includes worker productivity for the second quarter, which is expected to have increased at a 0.7 percent annual rate after remaining unchanged in the previous quarter. Labor cost for the quarter is also expected to have risen 1.2 percent.
* Shares of Dow component Walt Disney were down 3.77 percent in premarket trading after the company said it will stop providing new movies to Netflix starting in 2019 and launch its own streaming service. Netflix was down 4.01 percent.
* Travel website operator Priceline fell 7.03 percent, while travel-review website operator TripAdvisor was down 7.96 percent after both the companies issued disappointing forecasts.
Futures snapshot at 7:11 a.m. ET (1111 GMT):
* Dow e-minis were down 32 points, or 0.15 percent, with 30,045 contracts changing hands.
* S&P 500 e-minis were down 9.25 points, or 0.37 percent, with 232,205 contracts traded.
* Nasdaq 100 e-minis were down 32.75 points, or 0.55 percent, on volume of 38,103 contracts.
(Reporting by Tanya Agrawal; Editing by Sriraj Kalluvila)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-idUSKBN1AP1AB
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Barbara StarrVerified account @barbarastarrcnn · 2h2 hours ago
DOD personnel warned against travel to Russia - News - Stripes
DOD personnel warned against travel to Russia - News - Stripes
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Squawk Box EuropeVerified account @SquawkBoxEurope · 5h5 hours ago
European stocks open lower on North Korea tensions; Novo Nordisk reports
European stocks open lower on North Korea tensions; Novo Nordisk reports
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UK Defence JournalVerified account @UKDefJournal · 1h1 hour ago
US and Japanese forces collaborate for upcoming Northern Viper exercise
US and Japanese forces collaborate for upcoming Northern Viper exercise
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U.S. Pacific FleetVerified account @USPacificFleet · 23m23 minutes ago
#USSRonaldReagan returns to forward-deployed base in Yokosuka, #Japan, following patrol in @US7thFleet
#USSRonaldReagan returns to forward-deployed base in Yokosuka, #Japan, following patrol in @US7thFleet
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That's somewhat comforting, a CVN wouldn't be sitting in port if the balloon was about to go up.
Attachments
damn strange,this.
Trump comes out with the most bellicose statement re NKorea possible, almost inviting them to go first, and now this????
Hfcomms
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Nothing more than good cop/bad cop. Trump projects an aura of being out of control and shoots from the hip [a little Reganesque] and Tillerson retorts with no danger is imminent but Trump is only speaking in a language that the regime understands. I've got my problems with Trump at times but he is not as out of control with his verbiage as people ascribe to him.
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This seems to have been a very measured statement.
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Steve HermanVerified account @W7VOA 40m40 minutes ago
Fresh comment from @PressSec on "fire and fury."
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGzm5ubXUAAOo7I.jpg
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Steve HermanVerified account @W7VOA 40m40 minutes ago
Fresh comment from @PressSec on "fire and fury."
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGzm5ubXUAAOo7I.jpg
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NorthKoreaRealTime @BuckTurgidson79 · 1h1 hour ago
North Korea's #2 Top Official Cuts His Trip Short To Iran As The Crisis Between The U.S. And North Korea Intensifies
North Korea's #2 Top Official Cuts His Trip Short To Iran As The Crisis Between The U.S. And North Korea Intensifies
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NorthKoreaRealTime @BuckTurgidson79 · 1h1 hour ago
NorthKoreaRealTime Retweeted NorthKoreaRealTime
Earlier news reports said this was a 10-day visit but Kim Yong Nam returns home after only 4 days ...
NorthKoreaRealTime Retweeted NorthKoreaRealTime
Earlier news reports said this was a 10-day visit but Kim Yong Nam returns home after only 4 days ...
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NorthKoreaRealTimeþ @BuckTurgidson79 · 3h3 hours ago
Japanese fighters conduct air drills with U.S. bombers close to Korean peninsula
Japanese fighters conduct air drills with U.S. bombers close to Korean peninsula
mzkitty
I give up.
Not sure which NK thread to put these on:
Dr. Hellen Back @drhellenback 1m1 minute ago
#BREAKING #NorthKorea just replied to Trump's harsh words. "...dialogue will not work with you [POTUS]...only absolute force." #TrumpIsAJOKE
Melissa Mack @Mack4NY 3m3 minutes ago
Melissa Mack Retweeted The Associated Press
#NorthKorea also planning to complete a 'plan to attack #Guam' by mid-August. #breaking
The Associated PressVerified account @AP 12m12 minutes ago
BREAKING: North Korea says it will complete plan to attack waters near Guam by mid-August then wait for commander in chief's order.
The Associated PressVerified account @AP 14m14 minutes ago
BREAKING: North Korea's military calls Trump's threat a 'load of nonsense,' says 'only absolute force' can work on Trump.
Dr. Hellen Back @drhellenback 1m1 minute ago
#BREAKING #NorthKorea just replied to Trump's harsh words. "...dialogue will not work with you [POTUS]...only absolute force." #TrumpIsAJOKE
Melissa Mack @Mack4NY 3m3 minutes ago
Melissa Mack Retweeted The Associated Press
#NorthKorea also planning to complete a 'plan to attack #Guam' by mid-August. #breaking
The Associated PressVerified account @AP 12m12 minutes ago
BREAKING: North Korea says it will complete plan to attack waters near Guam by mid-August then wait for commander in chief's order.
The Associated PressVerified account @AP 14m14 minutes ago
BREAKING: North Korea's military calls Trump's threat a 'load of nonsense,' says 'only absolute force' can work on Trump.
Ordinary Girl
Veteran Member
What is the point of attacking water? I don't understand.
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It might be getting close to time to pack.
SS
he Intel Crab @IntelCrab
NEW: The Strategic Rocket Forces of #NorthKorea have issued a follow up statement to their earlier threats of a rocket attack on #Guam.
SS
he Intel Crab @IntelCrab
NEW: The Strategic Rocket Forces of #NorthKorea have issued a follow up statement to their earlier threats of a rocket attack on #Guam.
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Steve HermanVerified account @W7VOA 30m30 minutes ago
Steve Herman Retweeted Steve Herman
KCNA: #DPRK seriously examining "simultaneous fire" of four Hwasong-12 IRBMs towards #Guam.https://twitter.com/IntelCrab?lang=en
Steve Herman Retweeted Steve Herman
KCNA: #DPRK seriously examining "simultaneous fire" of four Hwasong-12 IRBMs towards #Guam.https://twitter.com/IntelCrab?lang=en
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The dead fish will wash up on shore and stink the place up?
onetimer
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If all 3 or 4 hit the same spot of water then I'd say it's to show their guidance system is ready.
Ordinary Girl
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That's about all I can think of. Pansy Assed Fat F**ker. All that is going to get him is a tactical nuke up his ass.
Countrymouse
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And they think JAPAN is going to be JUST OKEY DOKEY with KOREAN missiles FLYING OVER HIROSHIMA?!??!!!?
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Loup, thanks for the info on the SBX-1 radar.
This floating radar reminds me of the old Texas Towers of the 1960's, except available to move under it's own power. And it operates on X band? So it's a high PRF radar for fine tuning mid course/post boost guidance?
I certainly HOPE this radar gets cranked up waaaay offshore. That thing could microwave half of whatever port it's sitting in-like the Mig 25's radar-capable of killing a rabbit 1000 metres away sitting on the ground. Impressive!
What's your read on Korea, Loup? I'm hearing of a LOT of local moving around . I'm not in DC but have my ear to the ground pretty good. The island of Guam did several EAS tests on commercial radio last night-one station I was listening to generated EAS tones 3 times within an hour starting locally there at 0800.
This floating radar reminds me of the old Texas Towers of the 1960's, except available to move under it's own power. And it operates on X band? So it's a high PRF radar for fine tuning mid course/post boost guidance?
I certainly HOPE this radar gets cranked up waaaay offshore. That thing could microwave half of whatever port it's sitting in-like the Mig 25's radar-capable of killing a rabbit 1000 metres away sitting on the ground. Impressive!
What's your read on Korea, Loup? I'm hearing of a LOT of local moving around . I'm not in DC but have my ear to the ground pretty good. The island of Guam did several EAS tests on commercial radio last night-one station I was listening to generated EAS tones 3 times within an hour starting locally there at 0800.
AlfaMan
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The carrier in port means it's associated task force vessels are now free for "other operations".
Why use a meat cleaver when a good steak knife is just as effective? Think about that analogy.
This is pretty telling.
Why use a meat cleaver when a good steak knife is just as effective? Think about that analogy.
This is pretty telling.
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Strategic SentinelVerified account @StratSentinel · 1m1 minute ago
The DOD would deploy B-1Bs in a pre-emptive attack on North Korea if the commander-in-chief ordered such a strike
The DOD would deploy B-1Bs in a pre-emptive attack on North Korea if the commander-in-chief ordered such a strike
Notice they're talking about a conventional weapons only capability platform...
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http://www.38north.org/2017/08/rcarlin080817/
Door to Negotiations, or No?
BY: ROBERT CARLIN
AUGUST 8, 2017
COMMENTARY, FOREIGN AFFAIR
The reports came fast and furious from Manila the other day. Hello, sweetheart, give me rewrite! North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho says the North will never negotiate on nuclear or missiles! North Nixes Tillerson Talk Offer!
The stories were breathless, and they were wrong. Anyone familiar with the North’s statements knows that over the past month there has been a major shift in Pyongyang’s formulation about negotiating.
The real story starts with Kim Jong Un’s remarks on July 4, after the North’s first ICBM test-launch, Kim Jong Un introduced a new element to the North’s public position on the nuclear issue. He said:
[T]he DPRK would neither put its nukes and ballistic rockets on the table of negotiations in any case nor flinch even an inch from the road of bolstering the nuclear force chosen by itself unless the US hostile policy and nuclear threat to the DPRK are definitely terminated.
In the past month, that formulation has been repeated several times (at least five) in DPRK media. Significantly, it appeared in the August 7 Government statement responding to the recent UNSC sanctions. Government statements are not chopped liver. They are vetted, and possibly written, at the highest levels of the regime.
Kim’s formulation was somewhat vague in the original Korean—does the qualifier “unless” modify the entire sentence, or only the second half? Yet the question arises, why would Kim have even raised the image of the “table of negotiations”? It’s not normally part of the North’s public discussion. Previously, a couple of years ago, the routine formula in lower level media commentaries was that the nuclear deterrent was
…not a mere bargaining chip to put on the table for negotiations with the United States.
Then what about Ri Yong Ho’s remarks in Manila on August 7? Didn’t he say the North would “never” negotiate? The media rushed to report that. And here we have an interesting lesson. Ri would not on his own have altered a top-level formulation, certainly not one that had appeared in a Government statement the same day. Well then, what? Did he receive new instructions? Possible, but at the time I thought it unlikely.
In fact, when the North Korean English language text of Ri’s remarks finally became available, it was clear that he had used exactly the same formulation, almost word for word, as the one that has been in play for over a month. The same formulation. . . except it was now split into two sentences:
We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table. Neither shall we flinch even an inch from the road to bolstering up the nuclear forces chosen by ourselves, unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated.
So, what do we have? Sleight of hand, splitting the formulation, essentially putting nuclear and missiles off the table, while suggestinug a moratorium (that’s essentially what “flinching an inch from the road of bolstering” means) can be achieved? The August 7 KCNA English report on Ri’s remarks is of no help. It is a brief summary that wriggles around the question of what the foreign minister said, or meant to say, on the key formulation.
Luckily, we have the Korean version of Ri’s speech. And there the key formulation is exactly as it was originally minted—all one sentence. That odd English version? We can only assume it was an editing/printing mistake, probably not career enhancing.
Final point—isn’t the very broad language of the qualifying phrase (“unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated”) a mountain impossible to climb? Experience in past negotiations tells us that the North Koreans can use this sort of vague conditionality however it suits them. Sometimes it prevents progress, but sometimes it actually gives Pyongyang the maneuver room it needs to move ahead. How will we find out? One way seems obvious: go and talk to them.
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http://www.38north.org/2017/08/rcarlin080817/
Door to Negotiations, or No?
BY: ROBERT CARLIN
AUGUST 8, 2017
COMMENTARY, FOREIGN AFFAIR
The reports came fast and furious from Manila the other day. Hello, sweetheart, give me rewrite! North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho says the North will never negotiate on nuclear or missiles! North Nixes Tillerson Talk Offer!
The stories were breathless, and they were wrong. Anyone familiar with the North’s statements knows that over the past month there has been a major shift in Pyongyang’s formulation about negotiating.
The real story starts with Kim Jong Un’s remarks on July 4, after the North’s first ICBM test-launch, Kim Jong Un introduced a new element to the North’s public position on the nuclear issue. He said:
[T]he DPRK would neither put its nukes and ballistic rockets on the table of negotiations in any case nor flinch even an inch from the road of bolstering the nuclear force chosen by itself unless the US hostile policy and nuclear threat to the DPRK are definitely terminated.
In the past month, that formulation has been repeated several times (at least five) in DPRK media. Significantly, it appeared in the August 7 Government statement responding to the recent UNSC sanctions. Government statements are not chopped liver. They are vetted, and possibly written, at the highest levels of the regime.
Kim’s formulation was somewhat vague in the original Korean—does the qualifier “unless” modify the entire sentence, or only the second half? Yet the question arises, why would Kim have even raised the image of the “table of negotiations”? It’s not normally part of the North’s public discussion. Previously, a couple of years ago, the routine formula in lower level media commentaries was that the nuclear deterrent was
…not a mere bargaining chip to put on the table for negotiations with the United States.
Then what about Ri Yong Ho’s remarks in Manila on August 7? Didn’t he say the North would “never” negotiate? The media rushed to report that. And here we have an interesting lesson. Ri would not on his own have altered a top-level formulation, certainly not one that had appeared in a Government statement the same day. Well then, what? Did he receive new instructions? Possible, but at the time I thought it unlikely.
In fact, when the North Korean English language text of Ri’s remarks finally became available, it was clear that he had used exactly the same formulation, almost word for word, as the one that has been in play for over a month. The same formulation. . . except it was now split into two sentences:
We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table. Neither shall we flinch even an inch from the road to bolstering up the nuclear forces chosen by ourselves, unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated.
So, what do we have? Sleight of hand, splitting the formulation, essentially putting nuclear and missiles off the table, while suggestinug a moratorium (that’s essentially what “flinching an inch from the road of bolstering” means) can be achieved? The August 7 KCNA English report on Ri’s remarks is of no help. It is a brief summary that wriggles around the question of what the foreign minister said, or meant to say, on the key formulation.
Luckily, we have the Korean version of Ri’s speech. And there the key formulation is exactly as it was originally minted—all one sentence. That odd English version? We can only assume it was an editing/printing mistake, probably not career enhancing.
Final point—isn’t the very broad language of the qualifying phrase (“unless the hostile policy and nuclear threat of the U.S. against the D.P.R.K. are fundamentally eliminated”) a mountain impossible to climb? Experience in past negotiations tells us that the North Koreans can use this sort of vague conditionality however it suits them. Sometimes it prevents progress, but sometimes it actually gives Pyongyang the maneuver room it needs to move ahead. How will we find out? One way seems obvious: go and talk to them.
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CNN PoliticsVerified account @CNNPolitics · 1h1 hour ago
Hawaii is the first state to prepare for nuclear attack
Hawaii is the first state to prepare for nuclear attack
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We can also launch ICBM's with non nuclear warheads. I stil think that option is on the table.
Get on the hotline, warn China,and Russia. Then let loose with them.
That would be sure to make Lil Kim wet their pants.........
Get on the hotline, warn China,and Russia. Then let loose with them.
That would be sure to make Lil Kim wet their pants.........
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The Intel Crab @IntelCrab · 10m10 minutes ago
#Pentagon plan for pre-emptive strike on #NorthKorea would reportedly launch from base in #Guam.
#Pentagon plan for pre-emptive strike on #NorthKorea would reportedly launch from base in #Guam.