CORONA Shocking New Study Reveals Covid ‘Vaccines’ Do Permanent Damage to 62% of Recipients
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It's possible take the booster and find outSo 100,000,000 vaccinated in the US are permanently damaged but haven’t noticed. Got it.
Maybe y’all should tell them
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Can you talk about it? I’m interested for sure!
Absolutely not !!This is a unbelievably hot button
I'm like the FBI I trust in God and all others I polygraph
Tennessee gal
Veteran Member
Rondaben, may I ask coming from your prospective are there any illnesses that you would recommend someone not taking the vaccines.
Thanks for information you’re providing.
Thanks for information you’re providing.
You are quite welcome!
I would wouldn't take the J&J or AZ vaccine.
Prior severe allergic reaction to any vaccine or any components of the vaccine.
If you had COVID and got monoclonal antibodies--delay it for at least 90 days. Those antibodies will clear the spike proteins generated by the vaccine prior to you having a immune response.
Severe immunocompromised states can weigh the benefit of it--advanced HIV/transplant suppression/chemotherapy wouldn't get as much benefit--could still get the vaccine but if the condition was temporary would need a booster after done with the immunosuppressive therapy.
Other than that probably not.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
That is EXACTLY what I'm saying. The vaccine is lipid nanoparticles wrapped around mRNA. It doesn't change mMRNA existing in the cells in any way whatsoever. the vaccine mRNA is read, the Ribosome makes the S1 protein and it is done and making whatever else is in the queue. the vaccine is EXACTLY what your second sentence states--it is mRNA from outside the body containing the new protein manufacturing instructions. That is the reason it is in the lipoprotein nanoparticle--it protects/stabilizes the mRNA and helps it get into the cells without being broken down by the ribonuclease in the fluid around the cells or by any immune response. It is not a "naked" mRNA approach. The lipid "wrapper" isn't immunogenic. The time isn't indeterminate--it is a few days that the cells with the spike proteins (created by the mRNA) are around. The vaccine's only job is to make sufficient spike proteins on the surface of effected cells to illicit an immune response. Once that is done its job is complete. The 8-12 months that the effect lasts is because of the gradual loss of that immunity as it goes into a "sleep" state to be awakened if it is challenged either by booster or by infection with the actual pathogen--where production of the antibodies would ramp up again.
the vaccine mRNA is sythetically assembled, then cloned. The mRNA isn't derived from human or animal. Here is a better description of it:
Developing mRNA-vaccine technologies
mRNA vaccines combine desirable immunological properties with an outstanding safety profile and the unmet flexibility of genetic vaccines. Based on in situ protein expression, mRNA vaccines are capable of inducing a balanced immune response comprising ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
so, to answer the questions:
1. The mRNA is synthesized, then placed inside the lipid nanoparticles. It is not done using the virus, animals, or humans. The S1 protein has been sequenced for well over a year. You can actually look up the amino acid sequence for the parts of the virus.
2. Nope. And that is where we got the idea that the vaccine spike proteins were "toxic". The study shows that the spike protein on the virus itself has effects on endothelium. It is very important to realize a few things about that--first, the structure of the S1-S2 subunit on the virus is a FUNCTIONAL unit. When the S1 attaches to the ACE2 receptor it changes shape, bringing the virus into closer contact with the cell. The S2 unit then assists with the merging of the virus to the cell. (great illustrations HERE: the pics were to large to upload!)
Structural and functional properties of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein: potential antivirus drug development for COVID-19 - Acta Pharmacologica Sinica
Coronavirus disease 2019 is a newly emerging infectious disease currently spreading across the world. It is caused by a novel coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The spike (S) protein of SARS-CoV-2, which plays a key role in the receptor recognition and...www.nature.com
The second is knowing that for the spike protein to have any interaction it has to be present and able to attach.
Both of those are not true for the S1 protein created by the mRNA vaccine. The S1 produced by it remains attached locally to the cells where it is produced--not free floating like actual COVID virus. Second, there are 2 amino acid changes in the spike protein that prevent it from changing shape even if it did come into contact with the ACE2 receptor. The important part--imunnologically--is the binding region on the S1 protein. That is unchanged and allows for antibodies to be produced against it. Those antibodies are what confer protection from actual infection.
The AZ and J&J vaccines themselves do not have spike protein. They are DNA inside of a modified adenovirus. The adenovirus infects the cell, inserting the DNA into it--that then is transcribed into mRNA by the cell that then makes spike protein. After that it is the same action from an immune standpoint.
Ah, I see.
"-it is mRNA from outside the body containing the new protein manufacturing instructions. That is the reason it is in the lipoprotein nanoparticle- the vaccine mRNA is sythetically assembled, then cloned. The mRNA isn't derived from human or animal."
So then--in a sense--we ARE injecting the "Covid virus" - but only "in a sense" as we have "copied" it and are only injecting the mRNA which has been synthetically created in a lab ("artificial Rona", as it were) it into our bodies, to tell the cells to CREATE Covid-virus (using our own ribosomes to do it--just like the actual virus would if we caught it, as you explained above). THEN, our own immune system goes to work, fighting the "invader" Covid virus---which is being made by OUR OWN CELLS.
Regarding the Spike proteins and the SARS-2 receptors---yes, I remember reading about those in medical journals when I first began reading up on Covid early 2020 (I don't usually take as gospel the popular sites as I know the reporters writing those articles have little / no scientific knowledge and often get things wrong). I read up on, and remember seeing animations of, how the spike proteins actually "pull themselves in" close to the cells by means of the SARS 2 receptors. But please explain--when you say "The S1 produced by it remains attached locally to the cells where it is produced--not free floating like actual COVID virus."--are you saying the ONLY place in the body where the mRNA material enters the cells of the body is the INJECTION site? No where else in the body?
Secondly--as I am sure you already know---I'd have to find the original article where I read this (again a science / medical JOURNAL) -- but am I correct in remembering that the "lipo-protein nanoparticles" are from PLANT DNA, being injected directly into our bodies?
"mRNA from outside the body ... is in the lipoprotein nanoparticle--it protects/stabilizes the mRNA and helps it get into the cells without being broken down by the ribonuclease in the fluid around the cells or by any immune response. It is not a "naked" mRNA approach. The lipid "wrapper" isn't immunogenic."
So (essentially) we're introducing PLANT genetic material into our CELLS? (notice I did NOT say into OUR DNA, which is in the NUCLEUS, not the cell body). I just want to confirm that. I know we "take in" plant DNA when we EAT it--but that is entirely different because it goes into our digestive system, where the proteins that make up the plants are totally DIS-ASSEMBLED to their elemental components, and provided to our cells via the bloodstream, where they are taken up by the cells and "re-assembled" into the particular proteins the cells may need.
I also notice you did not respond--maybe you missed it?--to my question as to whether you personally, as a Medical Technician, have run lab tests to confirm the presence or absence of graphene oxide in the shot--or whether it is possible to detect the presence of this substance in the lab. What are you using as your basis for asserting there is "no" graphene oxide Pb (II) in the shot? Just the fact that it is not listed among the ingredients? i did find a highly interesting 2015 peer-reviewed study about the uses of Graphene oxide in nano-medical applications (such as this?)--but at that time there were unaswered questions regarding its level of toxicity: Current applications of graphene oxide in nanomedicine "Current Applications of Graphene Oxide in Nanomedicine."
Finally---I've seen these reports from more than one scientist / doctor--that they have studied human tissue / cells under the microscope since vaccination--and that each subsequent vaccination, or each subsequent examination over time--shows continuing and increasing inflammation and consequent damage to endothelial tissue, which they attribute to (even these modified) spike protein from the shot.
Are they all liars?
Are they all fools?
Are they all less knowledgeable--even though they are scientists and doctors with years of expertise?
Dr. Ryan Cole, Board-Certified Pathologist Mayo Clinic, CEO/Medical Dir of Cole Diagnostics
Dr. Luc Montagnier, Nobel Laureate Virologist in Israel
Dr. Barbel Gitala (or Ghitalla), physician in Germany
Dr. Axel Bolland, physician in Germany
Dr. Phillippe von Welbogen, Bio-Medical Specialist currently practicing in London
Dr. Heinrich Flechtner, licensed Hematologist / Oncologist, member of German Parliament
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at
GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
to name a few.
Are you actually saying ALL these doctors are "quacks"?
And if so--on what basis?
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Well at least there is that.
Two of my sons reacted severely to their MMR shots (and they were given to them as teenagers, for reasons I won't go in to here); even with fully adult & functioning immune systems had a severe reaction that took over six weeks to clear up.
I myself suffered a severe (anaphylactic shock) reaction that sent me to the ER some years ago; once stabilized the doctor told me my "system was shutting down"--so it was no small reaction.
Plus I have an auto-immune condition (anti-phospholipid antibody syndrome) and a genetic eye condition (Fuch's Corneal dystrophy and have had a retinal tear) that means I have to be careful what drugs I put in my system), so maybe that would "medically" excuse me.
BUT--I hear NOTHING from the government about ANY exemptions---NOT for medical reasons, NOT for religious reasons, and CERTAINLY not for freedom-of-will / liberty reasons.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
And that is exactly why I am (respectfully) presenting him with my questions.
I would hope that--should he encounter information that doesn't quite "add up" the way it should---that roundaben also would keep an "open mind" on the possibility that the "Voices in the wilderness" of many (before-Covid) highly-respected doctors, scientists, and researchers, from many countries, who are sounding the alarm on the ONE ACCEPTED TREATMENT for Covid-19 (all the other possible treatments having been hounded into silence by the MSM, social media corporations, and politicians---might actually be right.
Very few voices spoke up during the rise of the Nazi regime to speak the truth--but history has vindicated the few brave souls who did.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Maybe y’all should tell them
Guess you never heard of VAERS
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
There's a saying about the simple believing every word.
The only One whose word I trust implicitly sits enthroned in Heaven.
As far as the "simple...binary yes/no"---I wish it WAS that "simple"
but we are living in a world and a time when governments are actually saying:
"You MUST SUBMIT to this medical invasion being forced upon your body, or you will be PERSECUTED with:
- public exposure and denunciation (go without a mask in public and see how that ends up--video of police arresting / beating people)--our version of the 6-point star
- loss of freedom (as a member of the "public") to visit certain "public" areas w/o a vaccination "passport"
- loss of freedom to fly in an airplane
- loss of freedom to ride in a bus or mass-transit train
- loss of freedom to travel inter-state - now being floated
- loss of your job
- societal shunning / excommunication
- familial shunning / excommunication
- possible loss of your children (have heard some DFACS depts are telling foster parents or prospective adoptive parents they will lose their children if they refuse the vax)
- possible loss of your government benefits (including Social Security)-now being floated
- possible loss of access to your assets, even digitally - now being floated
It is becoming a choice between one's principles---
and one's ability to keep the freedoms promised all of us as citizens, and continue LIVING in this society
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
SmithJ
Veteran Member
I’m well aware of the minuscule number of serious events that occur
And I recall that everyone that took the vaccine would drop dead immediately
then it was that they would all drop dead in six weeks
then it was three to six months
and on and on
but it never happened and it won’t
just like the same people (mostly) said trump would be inaugurated January 20th…. But he wasn’t
then they said he was secretly inaugurated in March and was just letting Biden pretend so he was have more evidence
then it was June
then it was August
and finally when they had to face facts that Trump was not coming back, it became that it didn’t matter anyway because Trump was the devil for recommending people get vaccinated
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I personally don't call 500,000 people "miniscule".
I believe that's the number of adverse reactions that did not result in death; there is a large number of deaths as well but I will not quote the number as I do not remember it exactly.
Oh, and these are not your little "soreness", "burning at injection site", "redness"---no. These are things like strokes, anaphylactic shock, Bell's Palsy, onset of constant shaking / tremors in people with no history of epilepsy or Parkinson's, etc.
SOMEONE here on TB2K at some point told us how to plow through the endless sub-menus on VAERS to get to the Covid page--they do NOT make it easy to find--but I no longer have that page up on my computer.
Maybe someone who remembers how to get to that page can help SmithJ out?
John Green
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John Green
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Openvaers.com/COVID-data
Nope.
We have sequenced the entire genome of the virus. A way to look at it is like this:
This would represent the entire genetic code necessary to replicate an entire virus. The mRNA in the vaccine only codes for the spike protein and attachment protein, not for the entire virus. The mRNA blueprint is for a fragment of the viral protein--just like you would see in the previous killed virus or recombinant vaccine.
The biodistribution studies from Europe and Japan that were posted earlier show where the lipid nanoparticle--and obstensibly the mRNA, could end up. The uptake was far and away highest at the uptake site. The statement "locally attached" means that once the spike protein is produced it is anchored to the surface of the cell in which it was produced, not excreted into the extracellular fluid or circulation. Once produced, it stays put.
the lipid nanoparticles--these are not made of any genetic material. They are actually lipids and typically contain 4 components; positively charged lipids that bind to the mRNA; polyethylene glycol that stabilizes the nanoparticle; phospholipids and cholesterol. Here is more info on it:
Let’s talk about lipid nanoparticles - Nature Reviews Materials
Lipid nanoparticles have been developed as vehicles for small molecule delivery by the nanomedicine and materials communities and are now a key component of COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.
www.nature.com
Again, the only genetic material included is the mRNA blueprint for the S1 Spike protein.
I had answered the question in #146 on detecting graphene:
Yep, they are wrong. Generally speaking no, you would need electron microscopy to be able to see those. I think where it was likely introduced into the discussion was that it is being investigated as a delivery mechanism for medications and possibly mRNA therapies--but has never been used for this. There was a scientist in Spain from the University of Almeria I believe that started it with regards to this for the COVID vaccines. The sample he used was not traced and was supposedly supplied by a non-neutral third party--and he noted that “the microscopic study of the sample provides evidence of the probable presence of graphene derivatives.” However, the acknowledged that “microcopy doesn’t provide conclusive evidence” and that the “analyses in this report are from a single, limited sample.”
The University disavowed the claims and there haven't been any other more credible claims that I am aware of. A lot of alternative media picked it up and it was pretty widely disseminated however.
Most labs aren't going to have access to an electron microscope.
There has been research in using graphene oxide as a delivery vehicle, but it hasn't been approved for this.
As far as the list of folks. I don't have any reason to believe they are liars or fools. That doesn't preclude that they are incorrect in there assertions, particularly if those assertions are based on incorrect information. I've given information about where I think they are incorrect for at Cole, Gitala and Vanden bossche. The common thread is that there is no tangible evidence that they provide to back up their claims but instead use an "argument from authority" approach. When looking at hundreds/thousands of scientists working in the field provide a consistent counterpoint to their claims one has to believe either all of them are incorrect/complicit in a lie or that those making the extraordinary claims are incorrect for any number of possible reasons.
There probably isn't any need for exemptions until there is a mandate.
You have no ideaYou are only now coming to this conclusion ?
So disappointed.
Bogey
“Where liberty dwells, there is my country.”
In the US alone 6,018 deaths since December 2020 compared to 5006 deaths from all other vaccines combined since 1990, that's a fairly big dot. So for shits and giggles 31 years x 6018 = 189,348 or how about the adverse reactions, which would include heart attacks without death 464769 x 31 = 14,407,839. Holy sheet we talking some numbers now. The word miniscule doesn't come to mind.
Let's go a bit farther, can we assume unforeseen adverse reactions and deaths. Never mind, there has been no long term testing so forget that one. We just know it'll be ok.
VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 8/13/2021 – VAERS Analysis
All charts and tables below reflect the data release on 8/20/2021 from the VAERS website, which includes U.S. and foreign data, and is updated through: 8/13/2021
*Note that the total number of deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccines is greater than the number of deaths associated with all other vaccines combined since the year 1990.
Let's go a bit farther, can we assume unforeseen adverse reactions and deaths. Never mind, there has been no long term testing so forget that one. We just know it'll be ok.
VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 8/13/2021 – VAERS Analysis
All charts and tables below reflect the data release on 8/20/2021 from the VAERS website, which includes U.S. and foreign data, and is updated through: 8/13/2021
| High-Level Summary | COVID19 vaccines (Dec’2020 – present) | All other vaccines 1990-present | US Data Only COVID19 vaccines (Dec’2020 – present) | US Data Only All other vaccines 1990-present |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Number of Adverse Reactions | 595,622 | 814,322 | 464,769 | 714,030 |
| Number of Life-Threatening Events | 13,811 | 13,421 | 7,765 | 9,571 |
| Number of Hospitalizations | 54,142 | 77,834 | 27,440 | 37,712 |
| Number of Deaths | 13,068* | 8,871 | 6,018 | 5,006 |
| # of Permanent Disabilities after vaccination | 17,228 | 19,074 | 6,868 | 12,007 |
| Number of Office Visits | 98,760 | 42,270 | 92,567 | 40,995 |
| # of Emergency Room/Department Visits | 72,643 | 208,963 | 63,302 | 200,044 |
| # of Birth Defects after vaccination | 376 | 137 | 266 | 88 |
Samuel Adams
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actually you are wrong. As of yesterday 361.7 million doses. If you assume every single one of those 13068 deaths were caused by a vaccine (they weren't) that would be 13068/361,700,000 or 0.036%.
Mortality rate for the virus is 628,000/37,700,000 cases. 1.66 percent.
The virus is 47 times more likely to kill you.
Significant indeed.
Bogey
“Where liberty dwells, there is my country.”
Any information on the long term affects on the human body would be greatly appreciated.
Do you have a link please
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Tennessee gal
Veteran Member
Rondaben, Thank you for your response to my question.
I went septic last Fall from an infection after a knee replacement, and had 6 surgeries . From what I understand I have a suppressed immune system from my body fighting the infection. I’m living with a spacer and they don’t want to do surgery again unless they have to because I’m prone to infections . As my surgeon said, “ We don’t want to send you to the grave. I’ve read the vaccine will depress the immune system. It seems I would further weaken my ability to fight infections by taking the vaccine. I also had a blood clot that hit my eye a few years ago. Your opinion please.
I went septic last Fall from an infection after a knee replacement, and had 6 surgeries . From what I understand I have a suppressed immune system from my body fighting the infection. I’m living with a spacer and they don’t want to do surgery again unless they have to because I’m prone to infections . As my surgeon said, “ We don’t want to send you to the grave. I’ve read the vaccine will depress the immune system. It seems I would further weaken my ability to fight infections by taking the vaccine. I also had a blood clot that hit my eye a few years ago. Your opinion please.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
With only 1%-10% of cases reported.
I'm willing to accept the 10% figure if you wish.
If you're math challenged, that's 130,000 deaths.
Miniscule.
Your CDC says only 6% of all those deaths was FROM covid.
Once again, I'll do your math.
36,000.
That's miniscule.
A good flu season kills more people than that.
That is a pretty picture.
But, it's just theoretical.
THE VIRUS HAS NEVER BEEN ISOLATED!
Septic joints are a worse case scenario with knee replacements. REALLY difficult to to get them cleared up. Its not a bad idea to hold off until that is taken care of.
was the blood clot Central Retinal Vein Occlusion?
Sure it has. Order a culture of it or use the genome and build your own.
Tennessee gal
Veteran Member
Rondaben, they called it a branch retina occlusion. Oh, I nearly died from the septis. For several weeks I didn’t know I was in this world. I know I’m here today by the grace of God.
Babs
Veteran Member
I'll clarify for you my thoughts so there isn't any question about my stance on things vaccine related, then I'll answer your questions.
I believe the vaccine is effective. I believe that you have a right to take it or not, but I do take issue with falsehoods that serve to deceive people into making the decision to not take the vaccine for the wrong reason. I don't believe mandates are correct but I do believe they will happen and will likely have positive effects on the pandemic but at a cost of liberty that is too high to pay. I believe the government is general full of sh*t on most things and is filled with a bunch of sycophants trying to preserve their fiefdoms. I believe that the mass of healthcare workers do their jobs for the right reasons and really do try to help patients. I believe that the thought that they are shills, are making incorrect diagnoses for the purpose of "getting paid" makes one an assh*le with no understanding of what it is like taking care of these patients. I believe that if you make those same aspersions against administration and the pencil pushers in healthcare you are probably spot on. I believe we are going to have continued variants, that we are going to need ongoing boosters, that we are going to need to change the mRNA to adapt to viral changes in order to move this virus from a pandemic to an endemic like the other endemic coronaviruses we have that cause the cold.
Now, to your question.
The answer is more difficult and nuanced, so I'm sure it will be discounted on that basis. To make it simple, vaccines typically in the past have been made by injecting the antigen (the foreign part the immune system will attack and make antibodies to). The earliest were made by using weakened virus that was not able to cause severe disease before the disease could take hold. This was effective but dangerous--giving it to people who had poor immune systems could lead to full blown disease popping up. Then the move was made to kill the disease and break it down into its pieces that could still produce an immune response but eliminate the problems of disease in immunocompromised. This worked well overall, but had the limitation that it took massive infrastructure to make--you had to culture the virus into amounts needed, then process it. As technology evolved we then moved to recombinant vaccines. We had bacterial colonies that we genetically modified to produce the proteins continuously. Then it just became a matter of purification and you have a vaccine that is now 1 step removed from the infectious agent. The problem with this was the time it would take to produce new vaccines--you would have to genetically modify new bacteria to produce the new proteins for new viruses/variants--a process that would take many years with the resultant morbidity/mortality. You then get to the use of mRNA vaccines. These are not what you would classify as classic vaccines--they dont inject antigen--they teach YOUR cells how to make the antigen. The benefit is that it is rapidly adaptable. To address variants and new viruses you simply change the mRNA blueprint and you have the new vaccine. Sequencing of the original COVID strain took place in weeks--something that before could not have been done because technology had not evolved to that point.
So when you talk about this particular type of "vaccine", you are talking more about the use of mRNA in therapies.
To that end, they have been studied extensively. There are more than 140 clinical trials going on currently for mRNA therapies. The technologies used in those are the same; the only difference is the protein that the mRNA is coding for. Here is a timeline--i'll post the article that it comes from as it is a good summary. It has links to the images that may be easier to read.
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So if you look, we have been using mRNA in development of therapies and treatments for over 30 years. Its not a new technology, it is the first time that it has been used for this specific application. Treatments are going to be moving toward this in the future because it can give precision therapies. Diseases like cystic fibrosis--which results from a genetic mutation that does not allow for the production of a protein--is being treated by using mRNA to teach cells how to make that protein thereby "curing" the disease. The biggest research has been in cancer treatments--the idea is that we can take a biopsy of the cancer cells, identify proteins specific to that cancer, and develop "vaccines" that target the cancers and allow the immune system to actually fight it.
As far as animal research using this technology it goes back beyond the first mRNA trial therapies into the 1980s if not earlier. There has been animal testing for this vaccine--most of the studies cited were based on this.
mRNA-based therapeutics — developing a new class of drugs - Nature Reviews Drug Discovery
The therapeutic potential ofin vitro-transcribed mRNA (IVT mRNA) extends from prophylactic and therapeutic vaccines to applications such as protein replacement and genome engineering. In this Review, the authors describe the recent developments in the IVT mRNA field, discuss the class-specific...
Why do you keep calling it a pandemic??? If it were a pandemic, we would be seeing dead bodies in the streets of San Francisco and all the other cities where there are huge homeless populations.
I can't take anything you say seriously. I'm beginning to wonder if you actually work for either a vaccine manufacturer, or the government.
Close to the CRVO--usually effects peripheral vision instead of the central vision.
Both are usually related to diabetes, hypertension and/or smoking--at least those are common factors. I don't think that is a particular contraindication for a vaccine, but its worth considering. I'd be more concerned about the knee honestly, particularly if you take any anticoagulation.
all a pandemic means is that it is widespread around the world. Has nothing to do with severity.
SmithJ
Veteran Member
And the earth is flat too, right?
SmithJ
Veteran Member
Indeed