CORONA Shocking New Study Reveals Covid ‘Vaccines’ Do Permanent Damage to 62% of Recipients

Hi-D

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Crown royal instead of rum and you might convert me to a ivermectin believer!
First, I thank you for your time and input. You save me a lot of time.

I am a natural immunity kind of guy, my whole life. Work out most everyday of my life. Had covid back in may and it was not fun but not what I would call life threatening for me. The duration and lack of what to expect was the worst part. (I still rode my bike or hiked the first 5 days) That being said, wouldn't it be better if I was exposed every few months rather than not for a extended period of time? Just wondering what your thoughts are.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
First, I thank you for your time and input. You save me a lot of time.

I am a natural immunity kind of guy, my whole life. Work out most everyday of my life. Had covid back in may and it was not fun but not what I would call life threatening for me. The duration and lack of what to expect was the worst part. (I still rode my bike or hiked the first 5 days) That being said, wouldn't it be better if I was exposed every few months rather than not for a extended period of time? Just wondering what your thoughts are.
You should have a higher titer of antibodies over the next several months and be pretty good. As those drop off you will likely get a booster either from reinvention, or as is being recommended by vaccine booster. I'm glad you had a mild case. The big question is would your next exposed cause a worse disease vs getting the boost via vaccine.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Medicine is typically governed by the preponderance of evidence, and if they want to be taken seriously they need to bring forth that evidence that shows that the consensus theory is incorrect. That's how it works.

Except the doctors that attempt to do that are shunned, blackballed and some of them have lost their jobs. With corporate medicine as you well know you follow the protocols or they toss you to the wolves. As a doctor or PA how much latitude do you have to go outside the normal protocols and use medications that might help your patients for things other than originally intended for?

Medicine used to be an 'art' and little in the way of totally settled science as knowledge increases so does our understanding of how the various systems work. In medicine today as in most professional disciplines there is incredible pressure to conform and little tolerance towards those not 'woke' in whatever the official narrative of anything is.
 

Hi-D

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You should have a higher titer of antibodies over the next several months and be pretty good. As those drop off you will likely get a booster either from reinvention, or as is being recommended by vaccine booster. I'm glad you had a mild case. The big question is would your next exposed cause a worse disease vs getting the boost via vaccine.
I said from the get go I would take the hit three times before I decide to get any vax. With any luck I will never know if I had it again or not. We do not do much masking here and never had. 50/50 people I know had it most were not tested mostly because a member in a family was. I know several people who did die but they were on the verge to die. 3 in one family native American. Thanks for the reply. I assume you are saying that it might be better to be exposed every few months but I assume you know what assuming means.
 

rondaben

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Except the doctors that attempt to do that are shunned, blackballed and some of them have lost their jobs. With corporate medicine as you well know you follow the protocols or they toss you to the wolves. As a doctor or PA how much latitude do you have to go outside the normal protocols and use medications that might help your patients for things other than originally intended for?

Medicine used to be an 'art' and little in the way of totally settled science as knowledge increases so does our understanding of how the various systems work. In medicine today as in most professional disciplines there is incredible pressure to conform and little tolerance towards those not 'woke' in whatever the official narrative of anything is.
Certainly true. There is a dichotomy between practice via algorithm vs practice via experience. I'm blessed enough to work with 2 of the latter who are interested in teaching that art.
 

MinnesotaSmith

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Related, and BIG:


The Vaccinated are Dying

"Contra the attempts of the media to invert statistical reality, 95.87 percent of the people now dying of Covid are vaccinated. Remember, there are no official or reliable statistics recording or reporting this data in the United States, but the same is not true in other countries.

In Israel, the most-vaccinated country in the world, where the third shot is already being given, 232 of the 242 people who died of Covid in July and August were vaccinated. So pay zero attention to the scare stories, or the ludicrous reports that 90 percent of the people dying of Covid are unvaccinated.

It’s not a question of not trusting the US statistics because there are no comprehensive US statistics. It’s literally a comparison between the monthly reports published by a centralized Ministry of Health and hearsay from biased and unreliable anecdotal sources.

The corrupt doctors in the USA are flat-out lying with their “estimates” about the percentage of unvaccinated among the hospitalized. Just to put this on the record for future reference:

The T cells generated by the vaccines are holding up amazingly well, with 99% of the hospitalizations being among unvaccinated adults in the US,” Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease physician at UCSF, wrote in a tweet Wednesday. Estimates for the percent of unvaccinated people accounting for COVID-19 hospitalizations vary, but generally fall between 95% and 99%."

Posted on August 22, 2021 by VD
 

rondaben

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I said from the get go I would take the hit three times before I decide to get any vax. With any luck I will never know if I had it again or not. We do not do much masking here and never had. 50/50 people I know had it most were not tested mostly because a member in a family was. I know several people who did die but they were on the verge to die. 3 in one family native American. Thanks for the reply. I assume you are saying that it might be better to be exposed every few months but I assume you know what assuming means.
Recommendation would be vaccine booster at least 90 days after symptoms cleared up. Seeing a big bump in antibody titer with that which should give pretty good protection.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Certainly true. There is a dichotomy between practice via algorithm vs practice via experience. I'm blessed enough to work with 2 of the latter who are interested in teaching that art.

So your affiliated with more of a private practice than corporate? If so than that is probably the best place to be. I could never live with my conscience if I was a doctor and thought I could do something to help when the established guidelines don't work but wasn't allowed to.
 

jaw1969

Senior Member
Recommendation would be vaccine booster at least 90 days after symptoms cleared up. Seeing a big bump in antibody titer with that which should give pretty good protection.
All modern medicines up until about 3 months ago would have said you would have been perfectly fine with your immunity that you already had and required no vaccinations so I'd go with the 90 plus years of vaccination you know protocol Don't get a booster or a vaccination I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV but I did stay in a Holiday inn once.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Except the doctors that attempt to do that are shunned, blackballed and some of them have lost their jobs. With corporate medicine as you well know you follow the protocols or they toss you to the wolves. As a doctor or PA how much latitude do you have to go outside the normal protocols and use medications that might help your patients for things other than originally intended for?

Medicine used to be an 'art' and little in the way of totally settled science as knowledge increases so does our understanding of how the various systems work. In medicine today as in most professional disciplines there is incredible pressure to conform and little tolerance towards those not 'woke' in whatever the official narrative of anything is.


Odd that you keep DEMANDING those sounding the alarm give "their" proof, but I notice you did not answer my challenge to produce YOUR proof.

I also notice you have not yet responded to my inquiry as to whether you work for a private doctor / lab, or for one of the MANUFACTURERS of these shots.

I know you know--and as a Medical / Laboratory Professional you should be outraged by this situation--that today's "approval" of the Pfizer shot means NOTHING, as NONE of the normal protocols for "approval" of a new drug have been followed here. (you haven't responded to my comments to that effect earlier, either).

Minnesota Smith on the thread discussing the "approval" said it best:

Pretend approved. Still won't have all the rigorous animal & double-blind studies, the well-defined control groups, the 6-10+ YEARS of tracking results, etc. Calling it "approved" will be comparable to defining pi = 3.

One easy prediction: this will either end up as the most harmful fauxine -- or its backers paid the largest bribes of the three fauxine manufacturers.

One last thought--

does it not trouble you AT ALL, that now that this "false approval" has been given, Biden has ASKED companies to MANDATE the vaccine?

So the choice now becomes---take the shot (which COULD harm you physically or even kill you, and even if it doesn't it forces you to VIOLATE YOUR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS)

or lose your means of livelihood, and..................lose your home? lose your car? possibly lose your children? (I can easily see DFACS next deciding that parents who refuse the shot or to let their kids have it must have their children taken away from them) .......lose your LIFE? (starvation / exposure is not a pleasant way to die).

Already the govt has MANDATED that all US military personnel MUST take the shot or be dishonorably discharged. This does not just apply to NEW sign-ups (as it should, so people KNOW what they're getting in to) but to ALL those currently serving in the Armed Forces.

This condition did not exist when they signed up---and they can't just opt-out--they can't say, "I don't want the shot, so I'm giving up on my military career"--they have made sure that unless you submit / comply, the entire rest of your life is ruined.

Biden has already made the shot mandatory for all Federal government employees.

BUT--today (I believe) -- Jen Psaki was asked if this MANDATE applies to WHITE HOUSE STAFF, like herself and other high-level members of the Washington ELITE--

and her answer?

"No. We have FREEDOM OF CHOICE regarding that."


The reporter then asked if they would extend that "freedom of choice" to others, such as the military and Federal employees, etc.--and was told a flat "No."

Rondaben--even if you have convinced yourself that this shot is the most wonderful thing since sliced bread, to the point that you won't even examine or question the so-called "science" behind it for yourself because you believe in it religiously and implicitly---

how can you not see there is something seriously wrong with a government that says this shot "is mandatory for thee but not for me?"
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
Medicine is now governed by a preponderance of POLITICS.
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rondaben

Veteran Member
So your affiliated with more of a private practice than corporate? If so than that is probably the best place to be. I could never live with my conscience if I was a doctor and thought I could do something to help when the established guidelines don't work but wasn't allowed to.
Yes, private practice. Way less politics.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
All modern medicines up until about 3 months ago would have said you would have been perfectly fine with your immunity that you already had and required no vaccinations so I'd go with the 90 plus years of vaccination you know protocol Don't get a booster or a vaccination I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV but I did stay in a Holiday inn once.

Show us your permanent immunity to the common cold caused by other coronaviruses.

I'll wait.
 

aznurse

Veteran Member
You have to ask, why isn't the information that is coming out from other countries regarding this virus being broadcast in the news? Because it is a massive coverup, as we know what would happen if the masses were able to see and hear this information. It sheds light on the risk of the experimental drug and that then would allow people to determine if the risk is worth taking. What you do not hear from the official narrative is that this drug potentially only mitigates symptoms, but the masses are led to believe that it protects others, in other words stops the spread. Slightly different note, people today cannot understand how Nazi Germany happened. What we are seeing today are the actions that were used by Nazi Germany to control the german population. The "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" should be required reading!
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
You have to ask, why isn't the information that is coming out from other countries regarding this virus being broadcast in the news? Because it is a massive coverup, as we know what would happen if the masses were able to see and hear this information. It sheds light on the risk of the experimental drug and that then would allow people to determine if the risk is worth taking. What you do not hear from the official narrative is that this drug potentially only mitigates symptoms, but the masses are led to believe that it protects others, in other words stops the spread. Slightly different note, people today cannot understand how Nazi Germany happened. What we are seeing today are the actions that were used by Nazi Germany to control the german population. The "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" should be required reading!
It is a fantastic read!
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
May I "verbalize" my observations? Of course I can. :-) Here we are, a group of strangers who have differing opinions about almost everything. It seems we're good with that UNTIL someone comes along with a different opinion.

While I may not agree with some posters of all different topics, I do not find it to be "my job" to pile on and tell them how wrong they are. Why is this community piling on when there is an opinion...particularly about cv and the jab...that differs?

I remember rondaben from another forum and always appreciated the insight that was given about several things. It is no different here. It helps to learn from others, whether we agree with their stance on something or not. There are things to learn from everyone. We talk about the "tolerant left" (sarcasm) but here we are doing the same thing. It doesn't make sense to me. I say, "Lighten up."
 

Babs

Veteran Member
May I "verbalize" my observations? Of course I can. :-) Here we are, a group of strangers who have differing opinions about almost everything. It seems we're good with that UNTIL someone comes along with a different opinion.

While I may not agree with some posters of all different topics, I do not find it to be "my job" to pile on and tell them how wrong they are. Why is this community piling on when there is an opinion...particularly about cv and the jab...that differs?

I remember rondaben from another forum and always appreciated the insight that was given about several things. It is no different here. It helps to learn from others, whether we agree with their stance on something or not. There are things to learn from everyone. We talk about the "tolerant left" (sarcasm) but here we are doing the same thing. It doesn't make sense to me. I say, "Lighten up."

I think at this point in time, honesty is more important than opinion. Honesty is SEVERELY lacking in this topic. We're all getting really tired of "science" that doesn't make sense. We're all getting tired of being gaslighted by the gov't, the media, and we won't tolerate it on the forum.
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
I think at this point in time, honesty is more important than opinion. Honesty is SEVERELY lacking in this topic. We're all getting really tired of "science" that doesn't make sense. We're all getting tired of being gaslighted by the gov't, the media, and we won't tolerate it on the forum.
I'll certainly agree with all of that, Babs.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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May I "verbalize" my observations? Of course I can. :-) Here we are, a group of strangers who have differing opinions about almost everything. It seems we're good with that UNTIL someone comes along with a different opinion.

While I may not agree with some posters of all different topics, I do not find it to be "my job" to pile on and tell them how wrong they are. Why is this community piling on when there is an opinion...particularly about cv and the jab...that differs?

I remember rondaben from another forum and always appreciated the insight that was given about several things. It is no different here. It helps to learn from others, whether we agree with their stance on something or not. There are things to learn from everyone. We talk about the "tolerant left" (sarcasm) but here we are doing the same thing. It doesn't make sense to me. I say, "Lighten up."

While I agree I suggest you tell Ronda the same thing. They’ve got an extremely thin skin and can’t seem to accept that MD or PA or whatever they are that their medical opinion is not agreed with In a variety of areas by a variety of people. Since they aren’t hands on with anyone here, they aren’t even qualified to dish the way they do.

There are other medical professionals on this board that say “here is my opinion” based on my ______ years of experience in ________ field. I haven’t seen you professionally so keep that in mind if you do consider my opinion as an option.”

Ronda is not forming their medical opinions in that format. Quite frankly they are not acting like a medical professional at all, or at least not one that wants to keep their license in the wild and wooly world in which we all live. I highly doubt that any employer would be particularly attracted to a medical professional who responded to people the way they have.

Just sayin’.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Recommendation would be vaccine booster at least 90 days after symptoms cleared up. Seeing a big bump in antibody titer with that which should give pretty good protection.

There is that word “should” again.

The vaccine should work.
The vaccine should work against variants.
The booster for the vaccine should work.
The vaccine should be safe except for those it isn’t.
If we just get to XX% of vaccinated people we should conquer the virus.
Wearing masks should protect you from the virus.
Wearing masks should protect you from passing the virus to someone else.
You should be okay if you are sick and we send you back to your nursing home.
Having COVID-19 once should offer protection.

I think “should” is another overused assumption by politicians and the medical establishment. They should know what they are doing but apparently don’t because they’ve moved the benchmarks and goalposts so many times that they are no longer even on the playing field
 
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Kathy in FL

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Your not my patient.

No one here is and giving out medical advice and opinion as a medical professional is irresponsible. If you want to do it for individuals then take it to a PM. It isn’t any less questionable but at least your butt will be semi-covered in the event you screw up and your advice causes harm to that individual. You have no idea who you might be speaking to on the other side of the computer screen. You have no way to determine if they are being completely honest about symptoms or anything else for that matter.
 

aznurse

Veteran Member
Mercola.com today has a very enlightening article on the efficacy of masks/handwashing. What I like about these articles is that you have science and links to backup on what is being reported. Given the official narrative, I find this information to be valuable to offset the propaganda.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
No one here is and giving out medical advice and opinion as a medical professional is irresponsible. If you want to do it for individuals then take it to a PM. It isn’t any less questionable but at least your butt will be semi-covered in the event you screw up and your advice causes harm to that individual. You have no idea who you might be speaking to on the other side of the computer screen. You have no way to determine if they are being completely honest about symptoms or anything else for that matter.

People ask for an opinion and I give it. If you don't like it I really don't care. If admins want me to form my response in the form of a haiku then that's fine. Otherwise I'm on an open forum and will conduct myself the way I please as long as it doesn't violate the board rules.

Deal with it.
 
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