Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
sorry--i saw your answer to her and meant to go back up to her post.
CORONA Shocking New Study Reveals Covid ‘Vaccines’ Do Permanent Damage to 62% of Recipients
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sorry--i saw your answer to her and meant to go back up to her post.
summer-texan
Contributing Member
I did a fact check on this subject. Yes, it can form clots but it is very rare.
IMO, death from covid-19 is worse than a "very rare" clot issue.
IMO, death from covid-19 is worse than a "very rare" clot issue.
Which proves that it is very possible that you just play a medical professional and aren’t a real one. Every answer you’ve given can easily be crowdsourced from readily available forms of documentation on the internet.
Everyone should stick that in their pipe and puff on it a while. You purport to be someone with a license and code of medical ethics. As a matter of fact, check out the issues of ethics for medical professionals regarding social media. More specifically the issue of only using social media as a means if you are using confidential and individual/patient-specific communication and only in your specific area of expertise … and unless you are an actual MD you also need specific oversight in order to give such advice/opinion. If you are a PA then all states that I am aware of require MD oversight to maintain your licensure and ability to practice.
This is the internet. Everyone should question everything. If you can’t handle it you are in the wrong business. Medical professionals are no longer gods among men.
The other medical professionals on this site that I’ve had the pleasure of interacting with are in fact very professional in all of their communication. It is part of who they are. And how they share medical opinion also differs significantly from the way you do it. They appear to be extremely conscious of their responsibility and form and phrase their replies that way. Many will also say, “PM me” rather than answer on an open forum.
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And your not my doctor (or English teacher).
I'll make sure you get a full refund due to your dissatisfaction.
It's like you are almost threatening to Doxx me.. but you would do THAT would you.
That's for sure. Dictation software is quite helpful in that regard.
I told you guys a few days ago that I had this guy's number there's also at least two other people that are working with him on this forum Not all the time and not all ways under the same name.... Usually the people that are working with him are asking him some crazy medical advice on some unrelated issue and he has the medical answer right at his fingertips...
Hfcomms
EN66iq
And that is very hard for older people like us [mostly] to deal with. We were raised in an era where we respected authority. We always thought the police would deal straight, we thought that businesses were honest, that the government would give us a fair shake and when they said that Social Security and Medicare programs were safe we believed them. We believed them when they told us that they were going to take care of the veterans, ect.
We believed that banks and bankers had ethics, that lawyers were honest and worthy of trust and that the preacher was actually a man [not a woman] of God and was looking out for our souls and we trusted our doctor's advice and many treated that advice as unreproachable.
And now we find out over time that all of these things are dishonest and not worthy of trust whatsoever. One of the last professions that people trusted was the medical profession and over the last year and a half that has been given a fatal blow. The doctors now or the medical managers they work for are just as political and do what they are told as a typical politician is.
When it comes to most things but especially medical you are your best advocate and take whatever your doctor says with a large grain of salt and do your own research. There are still trustworthy doctors and people of all professions and disciplines but nobody should be automatically believed because of a title before or after their name anymore.
You are a regular Jim Comey alright.
Try reading on mercola.com Microbiologist Explains COVID jab. Might not be as rare as you have read.
No. Because it was done to me as one reason. And two, because of my own personal ethics. However, you will out yourself if you keep this up and I’m not being unkind by saying that, simply honest. The licensing agencies go to great lengths for whatever reason they choose.
As an example here in Florida, Sunbiz and the other professional licensing boards seem to take great delight in using social media and other similar resources to determine whether someone gets to renew their licensure and/or business license. I have no idea of your location and I’m not asking for it but since it isn’t a new practice I can be fairly certain that where you are located will do the same thing. For some reason government agencies are oh so good at finding out someone’s real identity.
ETA: That’s also how they find people that ”should” have a license to perform certain jobs.
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
I think "her" is a he, unless she's a "her" that has a wife, which of course is entirely possible now days, but I dont think that's the case here.
Yeah. I’ve been dealing with my parents for years on this issue. Give me a shot or pill doc, I just want to feel better. And the doctors were doing that hand over fist, many thinking they were obligated to make their patients feel better by whatever means necessary. When instead they should have required of them a change in lifestyle and habits. God only knows how much better off my mother would be without the three back surgeries and the one in her future because a screw is coming loose.
My father had his first heart attack at 48 due to some hereditary issues and due to some lifestyle/habits. You would have never known looking at him just how unhealthy he turned out to be. We were lucky it wasn’t a widow maker like it was for my father in law six months earlier. Had the doctors only sent him to a dietician then, or even an endocrinologist. Instead …
Never mind. Blathering it out isn’t helping anyone except for me to say I understand your post. When tricare squeezes them a little more each year? That is like adding insult to injury.
He is a he but has a her as a wife.
Who???? Is that supposed to be a insult .
Just looked him up.. Funny you would know who a washed up director of the FBI is from the Obama (spit) Years.
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
You're making me believe you less and less.
You've ignored my last 3-4 questions---very salient questions and pertinent to the topic--but once I pushed you for YOUR proof, and YOUR position (i.e.--do you work for a pharmaceutical company?)--crickets.
Now that others are asking you to give a professional opinion given today's farcical "approval" of this shot, and of the new Fuhrer's dictat (terms purposely mixed) that all private businesses should "mandate" this vaccine--
suddenly your comments are becoming less and less.......professional.
Now you're accusing a good member, well-respected for her sensible opinions, of contemplating an illegal act.
To which I just say: People always accuse others of the things they are or would do themselves.
Sorry I didn't serve you on demand.
I have posted study after study of proof. Nothing I post will be sufficient proof for you so why bother? No, I don't work for a pharmaceutical company and have never worked in pharma.
I'm ok with the approval of the vacc.
Countless times I've said I don't agree w mandates but they are coming.
I'm here in a personal capacity. You haven't signed up for telemed so my opinion is that. Like it or not, I don't care and that's your perogative.
Tennessee gal
Veteran Member
I’ve been reading TB since 1998 and a member since 2003. I love this place and our TB family. I’ve learned so much over the years here and being with those who are conservative, patriots who love this country.
Over the years when things seem to be going south at home or abroad we automatically feel the tension here on TB. We certainly have every right to be concerned now.
We have much in common, but like most families there are going to be disagreements .
I just wish we could step back for a moment when the discussion gets heated, regroup, and just explain why we disagree rather than start personal attacks We are better than that.
Love you all.
Over the years when things seem to be going south at home or abroad we automatically feel the tension here on TB. We certainly have every right to be concerned now.
We have much in common, but like most families there are going to be disagreements .
I just wish we could step back for a moment when the discussion gets heated, regroup, and just explain why we disagree rather than start personal attacks We are better than that.
Love you all.
Theophilus
Theophilus
T Gal.....you always offer a tender heart and wise wisdom. Thanks for the reminder of the essential and important human aspect of relating to each other.
It's uncanny.
Ok, guys... I was going to do by PM, but then you all ganged up. Saved me some typing.
At this point, you are ALL trolling rondaben. He's been very open about his experience, schooling and beliefs.
Either the readers here are independent adults who deserve ALL possible information on this subject, or we risk turning into a conservative echo chamber the likes of the NY Times comment section. No fact allowed unless it fits the narrative.
CM, you don't have the right to demand personal answers to every question. Rondaben has a knack for explaining complex subjects quite clearly even for those who don't have the educational background to grasp it easily. He's been amazingly generous with his time, and *the truth as he perceives it*.
You are all now going to give him space, and if you can't handle the stress of reading his stuff, put him on ignore!
BTW, in the interests of honesty, I don't agree with him at all, and suspect he's not being honest about how voluntary he considers the vaccine.
And if the disease had straight up 10% mortality across the board *and the vaccine worked*, I might agree with him.
But the concerted drive to drive him off the board is disturbing as hell.
Summerthyme (or are we that far down the path to Civil War 2?)
At this point, you are ALL trolling rondaben. He's been very open about his experience, schooling and beliefs.
Either the readers here are independent adults who deserve ALL possible information on this subject, or we risk turning into a conservative echo chamber the likes of the NY Times comment section. No fact allowed unless it fits the narrative.
CM, you don't have the right to demand personal answers to every question. Rondaben has a knack for explaining complex subjects quite clearly even for those who don't have the educational background to grasp it easily. He's been amazingly generous with his time, and *the truth as he perceives it*.
You are all now going to give him space, and if you can't handle the stress of reading his stuff, put him on ignore!
BTW, in the interests of honesty, I don't agree with him at all, and suspect he's not being honest about how voluntary he considers the vaccine.
And if the disease had straight up 10% mortality across the board *and the vaccine worked*, I might agree with him.
But the concerted drive to drive him off the board is disturbing as hell.
Summerthyme (or are we that far down the path to Civil War 2?)
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Thank you Summerthyme...
As to the vaccine and how voluntary I consider it.
I think we will get to the point where this is endemic one way or the other--with or without the vaccine. After all, we survived as a species for quite a long time before vaccines were ever used. I think that the vaccine gives us a least painful path to that point rather than ongoing infection/disease/death/morbidity to get to that point. I believe that it should be voluntary as the ones who will pay that price--to a point--are the ones making the decision--but they unfortunately others will pay a price for that choice as well. Having that freedom isn't comfortable or easy but overall it is better than any forced mandates.
That said, you likely won't be left with that decision. Neither party can stand to give up the opportunity to consolidate power and authority.
I don't think anyone here is an enemy because you don't want it. I honestly do think that is your choice--just as it was mine to take the vaccine. We do what we can with the information we have. My entire goal here has been to provide information to make an informed decision--not to make the decision that I made and will make again once boosters are available.
I do wish we had the resources to meet the need we are facing dealing with it.
You do see the start of disdain from many in the medical field towards those who choose not to be vaccinated. That is absolutely true. That is counterproductive.
I've thrown bombs in these discussion as well. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I'd say they weren't on purpose but we all know that would be a lie. The frustration on this side of the argument is the same as it is on your side of the argument. We could agree that the real enemy in this are the politicians who don't give a damn about you OR me, or the decisions they are forcing us to make.
If you ask me a medical question I'll give you the best answer that I know. As was noted, I don't know you, I haven't examined you. It is information, not treatment. If you take it that way, then you made the decision to do so. I'll continue to provide the information as I understand it. I do it as much for me and my family as I do for you and yours. But that to is left up to you to decide if I'm a shill or troll or whatever. I'll keep doing me, you keep doing you.
As to the vaccine and how voluntary I consider it.
I think we will get to the point where this is endemic one way or the other--with or without the vaccine. After all, we survived as a species for quite a long time before vaccines were ever used. I think that the vaccine gives us a least painful path to that point rather than ongoing infection/disease/death/morbidity to get to that point. I believe that it should be voluntary as the ones who will pay that price--to a point--are the ones making the decision--but they unfortunately others will pay a price for that choice as well. Having that freedom isn't comfortable or easy but overall it is better than any forced mandates.
That said, you likely won't be left with that decision. Neither party can stand to give up the opportunity to consolidate power and authority.
I don't think anyone here is an enemy because you don't want it. I honestly do think that is your choice--just as it was mine to take the vaccine. We do what we can with the information we have. My entire goal here has been to provide information to make an informed decision--not to make the decision that I made and will make again once boosters are available.
I do wish we had the resources to meet the need we are facing dealing with it.
You do see the start of disdain from many in the medical field towards those who choose not to be vaccinated. That is absolutely true. That is counterproductive.
I've thrown bombs in these discussion as well. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I'd say they weren't on purpose but we all know that would be a lie. The frustration on this side of the argument is the same as it is on your side of the argument. We could agree that the real enemy in this are the politicians who don't give a damn about you OR me, or the decisions they are forcing us to make.
If you ask me a medical question I'll give you the best answer that I know. As was noted, I don't know you, I haven't examined you. It is information, not treatment. If you take it that way, then you made the decision to do so. I'll continue to provide the information as I understand it. I do it as much for me and my family as I do for you and yours. But that to is left up to you to decide if I'm a shill or troll or whatever. I'll keep doing me, you keep doing you.
I’ll put them on ignore. He has definitely trigged my suspicions. I also don’t believe his protestations about voluntary vaccinations. Hopefully he’ll put me on ignore as well because in all honesty I don’t trust him on a subject that is becoming socially and financially weaponized both by the government and by private industry.
One last comment...rondaben has, like the vast majority of medicos, "normalcy bias" towards the catastrophic outcomes. Think about it! Aside from "the worried well", people don't go to doctors for a mild case. Rondaben has seen a lot of bad pneumonias... he hasn't seen the millions of people who had loss of taste and smell and fatigue for 3 days as their only symptoms. He apparently hasn't seen the scene many of us have observed or experienced, where a case which is displaying more serious symptoms (but not yet where the hospital will do anything! )... high fever, severe headache, severe bronchial congestion, but little sign of pneumonia- begin improving within 3 hours of their first dose of ivermectin.
The closest analogy I can use is the case of a young farm vet whose wife was expecting. They wanted a home birth. EVERYONE in the medical community was appalled! (His older brother was a well known surgeon in town). It turned out that few of the vets had ever seen a normal, uncomplicated calving, foaling or whelping, and they literally had internalized the false "truth" that "every birth needs assistance". And the human doctors just KNEW both mother and baby would die if they dared try to give birth mire than 100 feet from an operating suite.
He knew we'd had home births, so we ended up giving him reference material as well as "bootleg" advice on human oxytocin dosages in case of emergency. And they went on to have four healthy babies in uncomplicated home births.
But none of the medicos have changed their minds!
Summerthyme
The closest analogy I can use is the case of a young farm vet whose wife was expecting. They wanted a home birth. EVERYONE in the medical community was appalled! (His older brother was a well known surgeon in town). It turned out that few of the vets had ever seen a normal, uncomplicated calving, foaling or whelping, and they literally had internalized the false "truth" that "every birth needs assistance". And the human doctors just KNEW both mother and baby would die if they dared try to give birth mire than 100 feet from an operating suite.
He knew we'd had home births, so we ended up giving him reference material as well as "bootleg" advice on human oxytocin dosages in case of emergency. And they went on to have four healthy babies in uncomplicated home births.
But none of the medicos have changed their minds!
Summerthyme
Hfcomms
EN66iq
When we don’t have all the answers we tend to mold and fill in the blanks with our life experiences. Rondaben‘s background is allopathic western medicine so it’s natural that his advice is going to gravitate in that direction same as a holistic practitioner is going to eschew most chemical medicines and is going to fill in the blanks with various herbals and natural medicines. Both sides of ‘medicine’ in this case may have some commonality but are going to have diametrically opposite views on many issues.
We all do the same thing. I’m more middle of the road although lean towards the organic and holistic approach. I don’t trust big medicine, big pharma whatsoever but if I had a cardiac incident or major trauma I’d go the rondaben route before the natural medicine. There is room for both as long as it isn’t coerced.
We all do the same thing. I’m more middle of the road although lean towards the organic and holistic approach. I don’t trust big medicine, big pharma whatsoever but if I had a cardiac incident or major trauma I’d go the rondaben route before the natural medicine. There is room for both as long as it isn’t coerced.
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
summerthyme is right.... ignore is the best option. Long drawn out arguments never change the minds of people who are hardened in their stance.
I was put on ignore by quite a few people at the beginning of Covid (in the main Covid thread), simply because I believed that the damage to the economy was going to be far worse than the deaths from Covid. I wish I would have been right on that.
I will never take the jab, it will only be mandatory if you play along nicely and crave stuff.
See, I don't need all of societies perks, I don't need to fly, I don't need to buy useless junk, I don't need an expensive car on credit, worse comes to worse I don't need money, the things I can grow and produce will allow me to barter. I learned too late in life (but I learned) that the need for stuff to prove status is all a lie. Basic shelter, clothing, food and clean water are essentials, everything else is a want more than a need.
Watching the sunrise, or seeing a seed you planted pop out of the ground, harvesting the fruits of your labor, having time to just sit on a swing with the one person you've spent your life with, just taking it all in.... Way better than any TV series or Facebook post.
If you start now, no matter your status in life, you can create a world where they can't take away your happiness and purpose. "They" only control those that have a desire to keep stuff.
Side Note: "Your not my patient" should start with You're (drives me crazy)
I was put on ignore by quite a few people at the beginning of Covid (in the main Covid thread), simply because I believed that the damage to the economy was going to be far worse than the deaths from Covid. I wish I would have been right on that.
I will never take the jab, it will only be mandatory if you play along nicely and crave stuff.
See, I don't need all of societies perks, I don't need to fly, I don't need to buy useless junk, I don't need an expensive car on credit, worse comes to worse I don't need money, the things I can grow and produce will allow me to barter. I learned too late in life (but I learned) that the need for stuff to prove status is all a lie. Basic shelter, clothing, food and clean water are essentials, everything else is a want more than a need.
Watching the sunrise, or seeing a seed you planted pop out of the ground, harvesting the fruits of your labor, having time to just sit on a swing with the one person you've spent your life with, just taking it all in.... Way better than any TV series or Facebook post.
If you start now, no matter your status in life, you can create a world where they can't take away your happiness and purpose. "They" only control those that have a desire to keep stuff.
Side Note: "Your not my patient" should start with You're (drives me crazy)
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Fenwick Babbitt
Veteran Member
death from covid-19 is just as "very rare" as the clotting issue, unless you are 80 years old and 100lbs overweight
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Funny that you should mention that. Now that you make me consider that subject, I haven’t had a single cold, despite having elementary school children around on weekends for years ever since I started taking vitamin D3 in combination with vitamin K2 maybe about 5-7 years ago. Nor flu either, despite not taking any flu shots for many decades.
sorry for the wait...
bw
Fringe Ranger
My wife just reported that an old friend of hers died of WuFlu. Age 75, seemingly quite fit. This is the first person who's died who I actually have met, far as I know. First one. I remain somewhat underwhelmed by the pandemic.
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Fenwick Babbitt
Veteran Member
There was a study done after thousands of early deaths in Italy and they discovered that over 90% of those who died from covid were vitamin D deficient.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Watch this, then check out the videos under that.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
That has been my experience as well. God has blessed me with very good health over the years but I try to do my part too. All the things we know how to do like eating right, getting enough sleep and exercise but also a basic supplementation program like liquid minerals, D3, Vitamin C, and with the Covid adding the Zinc and Quercetin. With the overly processed foods and lack of mineralization in the soils with environmental toxins your body needs all the help it can get to be able to fight off bugs and ailments.
True statement but not known by the VAST majority. Most Normies are totally unaware of how powerful a high blood serum blood level is at preventing all types of illness and disease.
And most of the most do NOT care to learn.