CORONA Shocking New Study Reveals Covid ‘Vaccines’ Do Permanent Damage to 62% of Recipients

[inskanoot]

Have you considered a nattokinase supplement?

Dr Berg has some interesting info on baby aspirins.

View: https://youtu.be/-9NZSNWfOwo

The Doc suggested olive oil, turmeric, ginger, and green tea as possible alternatives to baby aspirin.

Risks vs benefits (baby aspirin);

Benefits: 17% lower risk of cardiovascular events

Risks: 47% higher risk of g.i. bleeding & 37% higher risk of intercranial hemorrhage.

 

[rondaben]

So you do point out that some of the injection doesn't stay at the injection site. Where does it go?
If it is happening to get into vascular cell walls, perhaps the immune response is not getting to it before the clotting process begins? This should be a study?
I am no scientist, just asking questions, cause something is going on. I know of many adverse reactions to the shot around me.
I did also stay at a Holiday Inn Express a few times in the past.

There was a Japanese study on the lipid nanoparticle distribution. Next biggest site was liver (which makes sense as that is where lipids would be broken down, and ovaries/testes (which also makes sense as these sites use lipids to form hormones). It was interesting that in order to find this they were injecting rats with almost twice the amount of vaccine as a human dose--not weight adjusted--in order to be able to find an of the lipid nanoparticle at all. Human dose is 30 micrograms; the rats were given 50 micrograms I believe--around 150x the human dose when wt adjusted.

 

[rondaben]

Covid manifests as a blood/circulatory disease. Any number of early articles pointed that out.

But apparently all of the early articles were wrong ... right??

No, they are correct. the VIRUS has does have effects on the vascular system as well as causing direct damage to the lungs. vaccine spike proteins, however, don't.

 

[rondaben]

Another article that speaks to this:

Autopsy Of Jabbed Patient Finds Viral RNA In Organs | NaturalHealth365

(NaturalHealth365) Shocking autopsy results of a COVID-vaxxed patient raises serious questions about what the injection does in the body.

www.naturalhealth365.com

And before everyone comes out of the woodwork dissing "natural health"---this is only a SUMMARY of a study PUBLISHED in The International Journal of Infectious Diseases, June 2021---so it CAME FROM a respected peer-reviewed MEDICAL JOURNAL.

86-year old man dies 4 weeks after mRNA shot – here is what the autopsy revealed

by: Sara Middleton, staff writer | August 15, 2021

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(NaturalHealth365) The COVID injection mandate for adults: what was once called a conspiracy is now poised to become a part of the “new normal.” Just this Wednesday, August 11, Governor Gavin Newsom announced that all teachers and staff at public and private schools in the state of California would be required to get the shot or face weekly COVID testing.


But as health officials around the country continue to impose new restrictions in an attempt to coerce people to get the jab, some researchers are doing their part to uncover the hidden impact of these experimental drugs.

New case study details death of older man one month after mRNA injection – here’s what the autopsy found

The June 2021 issue of the International Journal of Infectious Diseases published an article called “First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2.” The study’s co-authors, all based in Germany, discuss in great detail a case of an 86-year-old male resident of a retirement home who received one dose of the Pfizer shot.


The man’s past medical history included high blood pressure, chronic venous insufficiency, dementia, and prostate cancer. However, he was asymptomatic prior to getting the shot.


Two weeks following his injection, the man collapsed during breakfast. Three days later, he presented to the hospital with worsening diarrhea. The man’s health deteriorated, and sadly he died four weeks after the Pfizer jab.


Upon autopsy, the researchers discovered a number of details:

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• The man tested negative for SARS-CoV-2 when he arrived at the hospital and had no COVID symptoms nearly the entire time, but he tested positive the day before he died (the researchers believe he became infected by another patient in his shared hospital room)
• His cause of death was listed as acute bronchopneumonia and kidney failure, but these tissues did not have any “characteristic morphological features of COVID-19,” according to the researchers
• PCR testing revealed SARS-CoV-2 in almost all organs tested (including the heart, kidney, brain, trachea, and lungs), which the authors say is evidence that “first vaccination induces [a strong immune response] but not sterile immunity”

In case you were wondering, “sterile immunity” or “sterilizing immunity” means that the immunity conferred upon a person from a vaccine would completely prevent the vaccine’s target organism (in this case, SARS-CoV-2) from causing disease. Such injections would be, theoretically, “100%” effective.


However, for a vaccine to achieve sterile immunity, the injection would need to trigger the immune system to create proteins called neutralizing antibodies, which target and neutralize pathogens. According to The Lancet and other publications, the mRNA COVID shots have failed to demonstrate this level of effectiveness.


This should come as no surprise, as sadly, we continue to hear about breakthrough cases of COVID infections in fully jabbed individuals.

A call to all doctors and medical providers: KEEP QUESTIONING

The case study just described is one of many that we can expect to see published. Given the nature of observations made in this particular case, ALL doctors should be asking more questions.


Indeed, the case study’s authors agree: “Comprehensive analysis of autopsy data must be performed to provide more detailed insights into lethal adverse effects and any deaths associated with vaccination.”


Doctors should also not be afraid to ask questions – nor shunned for doing so.


This may feel difficult in the current environment we are living in, where “fact-checkers” resoundingly shut down “misinformation” and divisive, fear-based propaganda continues to omit the full truth of what is really going on (as much as we can fully know the truth at this time).


But the reality is, there are still many questions about COVID-19 to be addressed by Western medicine. Without our medical providers standing up for genuine scientific inquiry, public health – and informed consent – remain at risk.


Sources for this article include:


NIH.gov
Verywellhealth.com
TheLancet.com
ScientificAmerican.com
NPR.org

I'm not sure what we are supposed to take away from that article...

 

[rondaben]

I would suggest that you might wish to take the medical technical points that he/she makes, and cross-check them with other sources (plural) - counter-argue what you can, citing your sources - one by one, point by point - here, on this board.

It is the correct way that will ultimately guide us ALL towards the truth.


intothegoodnight

Thank you...I agree. Check everything.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

I was listening to one of Dr. John Campbell's videos and he made a passing mention that he was somewhat surprised that there was no recommendation to aspirate the needle when giving the vaccination. I wonder if at least some of bad reactions are a result of injecting into blood vessels. The CDC recommends not aspirating the needle so as to not increase pain for the patient. I think a little pain might be preferable to some of the reactions people that I know have experienced.

That could be. It's a best practice, and could be why issues have been seen in the AZ and J&J vaccines.

This is from the CDC. Is the CDC completely inept?

Do I have to aspirate before giving COVID-19 vaccine?

No. You should not aspirate before giving any vaccine, including COVID-19 vaccines. Aspiration can increase pain because of the combined effects of a longer needle-dwelling time in the tissues and shearing action (wiggling) of the needle. A discussion of vaccine administration best practices can be found in the “Vaccine Administration” chapter of Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases (Pink Book).

COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs for Healthcare Professionals

Information for Healthcare Providers, Pharmacists, and Other Vaccine Providers

www.cdc.gov

 

[rondaben]

This is from the CDC. Is the CDC completely inept?

Do I have to aspirate before giving COVID-19 vaccine?

No. You should not aspirate before giving any vaccine, including COVID-19 vaccines. Aspiration can increase pain because of the combined effects of a longer needle-dwelling time in the tissues and shearing action (wiggling) of the needle. A discussion of vaccine administration best practices can be found in the “Vaccine Administration” chapter of Epidemiology and Prevention of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases (Pink Book).

COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs for Healthcare Professionals

Information for Healthcare Providers, Pharmacists, and Other Vaccine Providers

www.cdc.gov

If you are giving an intramuscular injection you should ALWAYS aspirate to make sure your not in a blood vessel. Its just good practice.

That advice by the CDC was wrong IMO.

 

[Dozdoats]

See what you think of Dr. Cole (pathologist) ...

HEALTH - Blood damage from The Shot

VAXXED Patients' Blood Examined, Horrific Findings Revealed by German Physicians! (rumble.com) 13:14 min View: https://youtu.be/QJGc8wOUWk8

www.timebomb2000.com

 

[niceguy]

This is from the CDC. Is the CDC completely inept?

No - they're also corrupt.

 

[summerthyme]

If you are giving an intramuscular injection you should ALWAYS aspirate to make sure your not in a blood vessel. Its just good practice.

That advice by the CDC was wrong IMO.

Not their only wrong advice.

Summerthyme

 

[jaw1969]

Mis post

 

[jaw1969]

No, they are correct. the VIRUS has does have effects on the vascular system as well as causing direct damage to the lungs. vaccine spike proteins, however, don't.

Can you please link the study saying the spike protein in the vaccine do Not cause direct damage to the vascular system Thank you ..

 

[jaw1969]

There was a Japanese study on the lipid nanoparticle distribution. Next biggest site was liver (which makes sense as that is where lipids would be broken down, and ovaries/testes (which also makes sense as these sites use lipids to form hormones). It was interesting that in order to find this they were injecting rats with almost twice the amount of vaccine as a human dose--not weight adjusted--in order to be able to find an of the lipid nanoparticle at all. Human dose is 30 micrograms; the rats were given 50 micrograms I believe--around 150x the human dose when wt adjusted.

Link please to the study

 

[Murt]

Advanced CKD is usually silent until later stages. Particularly if the person has underlying diabetes or hypertension.

to my knowledge this individual had no history of any underlying issues---they say that they get a yearly "checkup/physical" and nothing has shown up in the past

 

[rondaben]

Can you please link the study saying the spike protein in the vaccine do Not cause direct damage to the vascular system Thank you ..

From earlier in this thread..

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

The first portion of the study discusses the effects of the viral spike protein on the endothelium--how when it attaches it sets of intracellular signaling that results in damage to the cell. That could easily cause activation of the coagulation process we see in the disease itself.

The comparison of the vaccine produced spike protein concluded "This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury."

Other important notes--there is no spike protein in the vaccine that could have this interaction in any event. When the mRNA results in the spike protein production in the cell those proteins are expressed on the surface of the cell where the immune systems can access them, form a response and develop immunity. It doesn't wander freely in the vascular space and therefore doesn't come into contact with the endothelium.

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine design enabled by prototype pathogen preparedness - Nature

mRNA-1273, an mRNA vaccine that encodes a stabilized prefusion-state severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike protein, elicits robust immune responses and protects mice against replication of SARS-CoV-2 in the upper and lower airways.

www.nature.com

These are links to the biodistribution studies. First, the european findings:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

The data starts on page 46...briefly summarizing:

At the injection site, peak tracing was in 6 hours after vaccination, dropping off over the next 1-2 weeks. This shows that the tracing stayed at the site of injection and gradually declined. Tracing in the liver peaked at 6hrs and was at background levels within 48hrs--likely showing clearance of the lipid nanoparticle as would be expected. The spleen had <1.1% uptake, Ovaries <0.1% uptake and adrenals <0.1% uptake.

The Japanese study is HERE:

Pfizer report_Japanese government.pdf

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccine (BNT162, PF-07302048) 2.6.4 薬物動態試験の概要文. マスキング箇所：調整中. TABLE OF CONTENTS LIST OF TABLES ......................................................................................................................................... 1 LIST OF FIGURES...

www.docdroid.net

You can translate, but the data tables are in English. For the biodistribution study it is on pg 16.

 

[jaw1969]

From earlier in this thread..

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCRESAHA.121.318902

The first portion of the study discusses the effects of the viral spike protein on the endothelium--how when it attaches it sets of intracellular signaling that results in damage to the cell. That could easily cause activation of the coagulation process we see in the disease itself.

The comparison of the vaccine produced spike protein concluded "This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury."

Other important notes--there is no spike protein in the vaccine that could have this interaction in any event. When the mRNA results in the spike protein production in the cell those proteins are expressed on the surface of the cell where the immune systems can access them, form a response and develop immunity. It doesn't wander freely in the vascular space and therefore doesn't come into contact with the endothelium.

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine design enabled by prototype pathogen preparedness - Nature

mRNA-1273, an mRNA vaccine that encodes a stabilized prefusion-state severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike protein, elicits robust immune responses and protects mice against replication of SARS-CoV-2 in the upper and lower airways.

www.nature.com

These are links to the biodistribution studies. First, the european findings:

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/assessment-report/comirnaty-epar-public-assessment-report_en.pdf

The data starts on page 46...briefly summarizing:

At the injection site, peak tracing was in 6 hours after vaccination, dropping off over the next 1-2 weeks. This shows that the tracing stayed at the site of injection and gradually declined. Tracing in the liver peaked at 6hrs and was at background levels within 48hrs--likely showing clearance of the lipid nanoparticle as would be expected. The spleen had <1.1% uptake, Ovaries <0.1% uptake and adrenals <0.1% uptake.

The Japanese study is HERE:

Pfizer report_Japanese government.pdf

SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccine (BNT162, PF-07302048) 2.6.4 薬物動態試験の概要文. マスキング箇所：調整中. TABLE OF CONTENTS LIST OF TABLES ......................................................................................................................................... 1 LIST OF FIGURES...

www.docdroid.net

You can translate, but the data tables are in English. For the biodistribution study it is on pg 16.

(THIS CONCLUSION SUGGEST) that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury. THEY ARE GUESSING This study doesn't test your original assertion that the spike protein from the vaccine does not cause damage It actually just says that antibodies protect from damage...
Your next article has nothing to do with humans It was only done in mice and a protected them for a day or two They didn't say anything about how long the study lasted or about any adverse effects to the spike protein produced by the vaccine.
Third article was on the same page it was only done in mice and they were challenged six and nine days after so it looks like to me that none of these studies say anything about if the spike protein developed in the vaccine is harmful in humans or mice for that matter... It says they're protected by the antibodies but it doesn't say anything about them being harmed by the spike protein produced by the vaccine. None of these studies has any information AT ALL on the spike proteins produced by the vaccine causing damage .

 

[Profit of Doom]

Anybody remember Andromeda’s mechanism of death?

Clotting. Massive, full body clotting in seconds. Unless your blood Ph was outside a very narrow “normal” range.
Drinking squeeze would protect you, as would incessant crying.

 

[rondaben]

See what you think of Dr. Cole (pathologist) ...

HEALTH - Blood damage from The Shot

VAXXED Patients' Blood Examined, Horrific Findings Revealed by German Physicians! (rumble.com) 13:14 min View: https://youtu.be/QJGc8wOUWk8

www.timebomb2000.com

I'll comment on the video at rumble since I think that is what you are referring to.

I'll only talk about what is on the video because I didn't see anything else there to look at--if there is I'd be more than happy to take a look at it.

In the runup to the images there is a discussion about "smears". The problem is that she is not reviewing or showing "smears". With peripheral smears we take a small drop of blood, put it on the slide and use a second slide to spread it into a "feathered edge" where the blood cells are in a single layer where they can be observed. once dried, the blood is fixed and stained to reveal the internal structures so they can be identified and manually counted in a "manual differential" where we count 100 cells and break them into their different kinds, any abnormal numbers/shapes, etc. A "smear" would look like this under the microscope:



Here you see the red blood cells. Those that look stacked and a bit like a chain of pearls is an example of Rouleaux that she will be talking about. The smaller blue specks are platelets involved in blood clotting. The large cell with a blue nucleus is a Neutrophil (White blood cell) that protects you from generally bacterial threats.

In the first picture shown you will see that the image does not look like that...it is because she is using a technique called darkfield microscopy. An example is here:



On the left you see Rouleaux again. Compare to the smear I posted first. The one on the right is a normal darkfield.

As you can see you don't see the detail that you do with a smear. You can't tell whether the cells are bigger or smaller than usual; you can't see if the amount of hemoglobin in the cell is normal, high, or low which would give indications to other disease states.

Another consideration is because darkfield microscopy is a "wet mount"--anticoagulated blood is mixed with either saline or albumin to keep it from drying out while you look at it. The anticoagulant--EDTA--as well as albumin if it was used can actually CAUSE rouleaux. To that end you can't rule out that what is seen isn't an error in testing and I tend to think that is more likely given the choice to use darkfield vs traditional peripheral smears.

Picture 2 on the video shows a "metallic sheen". It doesn't. Look at the image above from darkfield and you can see the similarity of rouleaux. I would tend to believe that the presentation of this on the video is a bit hysterical, but without any other information you don't know.

Picture 3 in the video shows a "tubular" structure. Most likely this is a fibrin strand from delay in processing blood after collection. You will see this on a daily basis in a lab--particularly in a patient who is difficult to draw blood from. It looks like THIS on a peripheral smear:



The blue streaks are fibrin strands. I didn't find a comparable picture as darkfield is usually not done for blood examination.

The "reporter" then does show an example of rouleaux--compare to my first smear image.

The next statement is COMPLETELY hyperbolic foolishness in her explanation of Rouleaux. Rouloux is caused by higher levels of protein in the blood. Thats it. It has no direct link to any specific process. Diseases that can cause that are vast in number. Inflammation of ANY kind results in an increase in what are called "acute phase" reactants. If this was taken after vaccination patient could be expected to have this because of a higher number of immunoglobulins due to the immune response to the vaccine. You can see the same with diseases like multiple myeloma, liver disease. You can see it in dehydration, diarrhea, irritable bowel, food allergies, stress, smoking, diabetes...all that rouleaux tells you is that there is some generalized process going on. It correlates to another test we can use called a ESR--erythrocyte sedimentation rate.

The assertion that the vaccine "changes the electron charge" is again, totally wrong. It is because of the proteins present that cause it. Another WILDLY incorrect statement is that this "is likely the beginning of thrombotic activity". There is NO connection between rouleaux and coagulation. Zero. Red cells have no coagulation activity. Show me clumping of platelets--which you can't do on darkfield--and you will have a better case. Stating that rouleaux is "rare" is laughable. It is a very common finding in the lab. Rouleaux does not result in "severe red cell damage". In fact, if you see a lot of it on a smear you can mix the blood 1:1 with normal saline and the rouleau simple goes away because you have changed the concentration of proteins that cause it.

As to the J&J vaccine under the darkfield. I have no idea or point of reference what she is seeing. I don't know if the vaccine was handled properly or not before it was tested.



Again, darkfield not likely to be the best choice to look at it. It is most likely crystalization of preservatives. Electron microscopy would tell you more.

 

[jaw1969]

I'll comment on the video at rumble since I think that is what you are referring to.

I'll only talk about what is on the video because I didn't see anything else there to look at--if there is I'd be more than happy to take a look at it.

In the runup to the images there is a discussion about "smears". The problem is that she is not reviewing or showing "smears". With peripheral smears we take a small drop of blood, put it on the slide and use a second slide to spread it into a "feathered edge" where the blood cells are in a single layer where they can be observed. once dried, the blood is fixed and stained to reveal the internal structures so they can be identified and manually counted in a "manual differential" where we count 100 cells and break them into their different kinds, any abnormal numbers/shapes, etc. A "smear" would look like this under the microscope:

View attachment 284612

Here you see the red blood cells. Those that look stacked and a bit like a chain of pearls is an example of Rouleaux that she will be talking about. The smaller blue specks are platelets involved in blood clotting. The large cell with a blue nucleus is a Neutrophil (White blood cell) that protects you from generally bacterial threats.

In the first picture shown you will see that the image does not look like that...it is because she is using a technique called darkfield microscopy. An example is here:

View attachment 284613

On the left you see Rouleaux again. Compare to the smear I posted first. The one on the right is a normal darkfield.

As you can see you don't see the detail that you do with a smear. You can't tell whether the cells are bigger or smaller than usual; you can't see if the amount of hemoglobin in the cell is normal, high, or low which would give indications to other disease states.

Another consideration is because darkfield microscopy is a "wet mount"--anticoagulated blood is mixed with either saline or albumin to keep it from drying out while you look at it. The anticoagulant--EDTA--as well as albumin if it was used can actually CAUSE rouleaux. To that end you can't rule out that what is seen isn't an error in testing and I tend to think that is more likely given the choice to use darkfield vs traditional peripheral smears.

Picture 2 on the video shows a "metallic sheen". It doesn't. Look at the image above from darkfield and you can see the similarity of rouleaux. I would tend to believe that the presentation of this on the video is a bit hysterical, but without any other information you don't know.

Picture 3 in the video shows a "tubular" structure. Most likely this is a fibrin strand from delay in processing blood after collection. You will see this on a daily basis in a lab--particularly in a patient who is difficult to draw blood from. It looks like THIS on a peripheral smear:

View attachment 284618

The blue streaks are fibrin strands. I didn't find a comparable picture as darkfield is usually not done for blood examination.

The "reporter" then does show an example of rouleaux--compare to my first smear image.

The next statement is COMPLETELY hyperbolic foolishness in her explanation of Rouleaux. Rouloux is caused by higher levels of protein in the blood. Thats it. It has no direct link to any specific process. Diseases that can cause that are vast in number. Inflammation of ANY kind results in an increase in what are called "acute phase" reactants. If this was taken after vaccination patient could be expected to have this because of a higher number of immunoglobulins due to the immune response to the vaccine. You can see the same with diseases like multiple myeloma, liver disease. You can see it in dehydration, diarrhea, irritable bowel, food allergies, stress, smoking, diabetes...all that rouleaux tells you is that there is some generalized process going on. It correlates to another test we can use called a ESR--erythrocyte sedimentation rate.

The assertion that the vaccine "changes the electron charge" is again, totally wrong. It is because of the proteins present that cause it. Another WILDLY incorrect statement is that this "is likely the beginning of thrombotic activity". There is NO connection between rouleaux and coagulation. Zero. Red cells have no coagulation activity. Show me clumping of platelets--which you can't do on darkfield--and you will have a better case. Stating that rouleaux is "rare" is laughable. It is a very common finding in the lab. Rouleaux does not result in "severe red cell damage". In fact, if you see a lot of it on a smear you can mix the blood 1:1 with normal saline and the rouleau simple goes away because you have changed the concentration of proteins that cause it.

As to the J&J vaccine under the darkfield. I have no idea or point of reference what she is seeing. I don't know if the vaccine was handled properly or not before it was tested.

View attachment 284623

Again, darkfield not likely to be the best choice to look at it. It is most likely crystalization of preservatives. Electron microscopy would tell you more.

Is there anyway that you may be able to show us healthy slides of blood that exhibits these same behaviors Thank you in advance. This is from Wikipedia
Conversely, the presence of rouleaux is a cause of disease because it will restrict the flow of blood throughout the body because capillaries can only accept free-flowing singular and independent red blood cells. The aggregations, also known as "clumping," form as an allergic reaction to certain antibiotics and not necessarily because of disease.

Conditions that cause rouleaux formation include infections, multiple myeloma, Waldenström's macroglobulinemia, inflammatory and connective tissue disorders, and cancers. It also occurs in diabetes mellitus and is one of the causative factors for microvascular occlusion in diabetic retinopathy.

 

[rondaben]

Is there anyway that you may be able to show us healthy slides of blood that exhibits these same behaviors Thank you in advance. This is from Wikipedia
Conversely, the presence of rouleaux is a cause of disease because it will restrict the flow of blood throughout the body because capillaries can only accept free-flowing singular and independent red blood cells. The aggregations, also known as "clumping," form as an allergic reaction to certain antibiotics and not necessarily because of disease.

Conditions that cause rouleaux formation include infections, multiple myeloma, Waldenström's macroglobulinemia, inflammatory and connective tissue disorders, and cancers. It also occurs in diabetes mellitus and is one of the causative factors for microvascular occlusion in diabetic retinopathy.

Sure, they look just like what I posted. Rouleaux isn't hallmark of any specific condition. Fibrin on a smear would cause us to recollect the specimen for retesting.

 

[jaw1969]

Sure, they look just like what I posted. Rouleaux isn't hallmark of any specific condition. Fibrin on a smear would cause us to recollect the specimen for retesting.

Ok thanks does Rouleaux cause a disease all on its own??

 

[rondaben]

Rouleaux is a finding, not a condition. The underlying proteins that cause rouleaux can be linked to disease.

 

[jaw1969]

Rouleaux is a finding, not a condition. The underlying proteins that cause rouleaux can be linked to disease.

Are you sure that's your answer???? And what are the underlying proteins up speak of called??

 

[blindhog]

In that video they state there are more than one Dr. finding this in the blood of the vaxxed. So wouldn't they know the proper blood slide procedure to really get this determination?
The one lady Dr. has been at it a lot of years, surely she knows the proper way?
Given that more than one Dr. has these concerns, would you conclude they all are making consistent mistakes on this?
Are they not in touch with lab tech peers?
Why would they raise such alarm?

 

[rondaben]

Are you sure that's your answer???? And what are the underlying proteins up speak of called??

There are multiple--those that are associated with inflammation, cancer, liver disease. Thats why it is nonspecific and requires further testing to figure our the cause.

 

[jaw1969]

There are multiple--those that are associated with inflammation, cancer, liver disease. Thats why it is nonspecific and requires further testing to figure our the cause.

Thanks

 

[rondaben]

In that video they state there are more than one Dr. finding this in the blood of the vaxxed. So wouldn't they know the proper blood slide procedure to really get this determination?
The one lady Dr. has been at it a lot of years, surely she knows the proper way?
Given that more than one Dr. has these concerns, would you conclude they all are making consistent mistakes on this?
Are they not in touch with lab tech peers?
Why would they raise such alarm?

Not necessarily. The nuts and bolts of how to perform testing isn't part of general medical education. This can be seen even in the US. There are levels of testing that can be certified. Waived are simple kit tests like strep and pregnancy tests. Pretty much anyone can do those. Then you have low, medium and High complexity testing. Doing peripheral smears, chemistry profiles, all of that are moderate complexity. In a clinical lab setting physicians have to receive additional training before they can oversee those testing procedures--unless they are a pathologist. As a trained medical technologist I can oversee a moderate or high complexity lab. Its about how tasks are siloed. Physicians are trained in what tests to order and interpretation of those results with with clinical input, but not to actually perform or formulate the results of the test.

From that video, I would be more likely to put the source of error on the layman reporter trying to interpret what a Dr. in a foreign language clip is trying to say. I think that the vast majority of scientist and studies we see contradict those findings.

 

[blindhog]

I hope it is nothing as both my children have been jabbed.

Although is the lab system here the same as in Germany and France? do the Dr.s get lab training also? Or do they have lab techs in the office with them?

 

[rondaben]

I hope it is nothing as both my children have been jabbed.

Although is the lab system here the same as in Germany and France? do the Dr.s get lab training also? Or do they have lab techs in the office with them?

Sorry, that I do not know.

 

[blindhog]

Sorry, that I do not know.

So it is possible that there is something going on with the blood........of the inoculated.....

 

[Dozdoats]

And/or the infected..... in some cases. LOTS more variables to be discovered yet. Blood types, etc.

 

[rondaben]

So it is possible that there is something going on with the blood........of the inoculated.....

There is always a possibility. Where the issue is that I see is there are assertions that something like rouleaux is an indication that something serious is being caused when that particular finding is so nonspecific. What would be interesting to see would be followup testing. Say you did a test for protein electrophoresis on those patients. It would break out the component proteins in the blood. Is it more due to immunoglobulins? That would make sense as the body is reacting to the vaccine and forming an immune response. Is it acute phase proteins related to the vaccine? Maybe as well, because of the way the body reacts to any "invader" causing inflammation. Because the claims were of multiple cases those would be my bet, unless it was due to testing error.

 

[wvstuck]

We typically look at something called VIrchows Triad when investigating clots.

1) venous stasis--prolonged sitting, airline flights, sedentary, sick in bed--all when you cant move around blood pools in the lower pressure veins and will clot.

2) Activation of blood coagulation--things like autoimmune diseases (antiphospolipid, Lupus...)

3) Venous damage--surgeries, trauma etc.

We do know that COVID has longer term effects and predisposes longer term to blood clots. Its not unusual to see patients with the virus having D-Dimer levels 30-50 times the upper limit of normal. The article I posted before shows the effect of VIRAL spike proteins in that process.

None of those applied in my case, it does appear to be improving, there is no longer bruising around the area and it is not as painful. They put me on Eliquis (5mg) First 7 days was two tabs twice daily, then 1 tab twice daily until gone, about 45 days.

 

[blindhog]

So if they did the slide correctly, the rouleaux is an abnormal condition. It will cause the blood to not flow into capillaries. Goes along with what Dr Hoffe is saying about the capillaries clotting.
So this can be serious.

 

[Mprepared]

None of those applied in my case, it does appear to be improving, there is no longer bruising around the area and it is not as painful. They put me on Eliquis (5mg) First 7 days was two tabs twice daily, then 1 tab twice daily until gone, about 45 days.

I have had pulmonary embolism twice and told it was from chickenpox virus and from an upper respiratory virus. I was also put on Eliquis, but put myself on baby aspirin 3-1/2 years now. I found a connection of people going to the emergency room with clotting and going back as far as I think 2 months, maybe longer and finding they had some kind of infection. Causes the blood to get thick. I am terrified of going off the aspirin until I can make sure inflammatory markers are normal and if I would lose weight it would sure help. I have been lazy in this.

 

[rondaben]

So if they did the slide correctly, the rouleaux is an abnormal condition. It will cause the blood to not flow into capillaries. Goes along with what Dr Hoffe is saying about the capillaries clotting.
So this can be serious.

Its a different mechanism. Rouleaux isn't a condition. The condition is elevated protein--the type/source of which requires additional testing. This protein can cause rouleaux or elevated sed rates in testing. This can also change the viscosity of the blood which could slow down flow in the capillaries, but this is not a clotting mechanism. You wouldn't see an elevated D-Dimer in that condition for example.

 

[rondaben]

I have had pulmonary embolism twice and told it was from chickenpox virus and from an upper respiratory virus. I was also put on Eliquis, but put myself on baby aspirin 3-1/2 years now. I found a connection of people going to the emergency room with clotting and going back as far as I think 2 months, maybe longer and finding they had some kind of infection. Causes the blood to get thick. I am terrified of going off the aspirin until I can make sure inflammatory markers are normal and if I would lose weight it would sure help. I have been lazy in this.

I would hope you would have had a coagulopathy panel done as well to make sure there were no autoimmune or deficiency in the coagulation system. Things like a Factor 5 Leiden deficiency can be commonly found after events like that.

With 2 PE's? I'd probably be on Eliquis or coumadin for life. Those are no jokes and tend to be cumulative.

 

[Mprepared]

I would hope you would have had a coagulopathy panel done as well to make sure there were no autoimmune or deficiency in the coagulation system. Things like a Factor 5 Leiden deficiency can be commonly found after events like that.

With 2 PE's? I'd probably be on Eliquis or coumadin for life. Those are no jokes and tend to be cumulative.

Yes, they ruled me out for Factor V and autoimmune, everything was ruled out.

 

[Countrymouse]

(THIS CONCLUSION SUGGEST) that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury. THEY ARE GUESSING This study doesn't test your original assertion that the spike protein from the vaccine does not cause damage It actually just says that antibodies protect from damage...
Your next article has nothing to do with humans It was only done in mice and a protected them for a day or two They didn't say anything about how long the study lasted or about any adverse effects to the spike protein produced by the vaccine.
Third article was on the same page it was only done in mice and they were challenged six and nine days after so it looks like to me that none of these studies say anything about if the spike protein developed in the vaccine is harmful in humans or mice for that matter... It says they're protected by the antibodies but it doesn't say anything about them being harmed by the spike protein produced by the vaccine. None of these studies has any information AT ALL on the spike proteins produced by the vaccine causing damage .

T;hank you very much for CLARIFYING those FACTS.

Until we see REAL studies--done by disinterested (i.e.--not paid by pharmaceutical, CDC, or medical personnel with a vested interest) scientists, I would rather put my faith in the man who CREATED the mRNA vaccine and is now PLEADING with others NOT to take it--Dr. Robert Malone. Surely, roudaben, you're not saying the man who CREATED this doesn't know what HE is talking about?

From an earlier thread here on TB2K about him--and sorry I can't find the link:

Information about the inventor of the mRNA technology used in certain COVID-19 vaccines was removed from the online encyclopedia site Wikipedia after he publicly warned against giving the experimental gene therapy vaccines to young people and that there was insufficient information about the injections to give informed consent.

Dr. Robert Malone, M.D., M.S., discovered RNA transfection and, while he was at the Salk Institute in San Diego in 1988, invented mRNA vaccines. His research was continued the next year at Vical, and between 1988 and 1989, Malone wrote the patent disclosures for mRNA vaccines.

On June 10, 2021, Dr. Malone joined biologist Bret Weinstein, Ph.D, on the Dark Horse Podcast, where Malone raised numerous safety concerns about the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, both of which use mRNA technology. He warned about future autoimmune issues caused by the spike proteins within the mRNA injections.
Malone also stated that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was aware that the spike proteins were “biologically active and could travel from the injection site and cause adverse events, and that the spike protein, if biologically active, is very dangerous.”

YouTube swiftly moved to censor clips from the three-hour podcast interview.

Then, appearing on Fox News’ Tucker Carlson Tonight some days later, Dr. Malone issued further warnings about the vaccines, the content of which is contrary to the mainstream media’s promotion of the injections. The mRNA inventor declared that there was still insufficient data for anyone to make an informed decision about receiving the vaccines.

Malone also warned against the injections being given to young people: “I have a bias that the benefits probably don’t outweigh the risks in that cohort. But, unfortunately, the risk-benefit analysis is not being done.”

Carlson described Malone as being perhaps “the single most qualified person on planet earth to discuss this subject” given his status as the inventor of the technology behind the injections now being rolled out, and in some cases mandated, to people across the globe.

 

[rondaben]

T;hank you very much for CLARIFYING those FACTS.

Until we see REAL studies--done by disinterested (i.e.--not paid by pharmaceutical, CDC, or medical personnel with a vested interest) scientists, I would rather put my faith in the man who CREATED the mRNA vaccine and is now PLEADING with others NOT to take it--Dr. Robert Malone. Surely, roudaben, you're not saying the man who CREATED this doesn't know what HE is talking about?

From an earlier thread here on TB2K about him--and sorry I can't find the link:

Information about the inventor of the mRNA technology used in certain COVID-19 vaccines was removed from the online encyclopedia site Wikipedia after he publicly warned against giving the experimental gene therapy vaccines to young people and that there was insufficient information about the injections to give informed consent.

Dr. Robert Malone, M.D., M.S., discovered RNA transfection and, while he was at the Salk Institute in San Diego in 1988, invented mRNA vaccines. His research was continued the next year at Vical, and between 1988 and 1989, Malone wrote the patent disclosures for mRNA vaccines.

On June 10, 2021, Dr. Malone joined biologist Bret Weinstein, Ph.D, on the Dark Horse Podcast, where Malone raised numerous safety concerns about the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines, both of which use mRNA technology. He warned about future autoimmune issues caused by the spike proteins within the mRNA injections.
Malone also stated that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was aware that the spike proteins were “biologically active and could travel from the injection site and cause adverse events, and that the spike protein, if biologically active, is very dangerous.”

YouTube swiftly moved to censor clips from the three-hour podcast interview.

Then, appearing on Fox News’ Tucker Carlson Tonight some days later, Dr. Malone issued further warnings about the vaccines, the content of which is contrary to the mainstream media’s promotion of the injections. The mRNA inventor declared that there was still insufficient data for anyone to make an informed decision about receiving the vaccines.

Malone also warned against the injections being given to young people: “I have a bias that the benefits probably don’t outweigh the risks in that cohort. But, unfortunately, the risk-benefit analysis is not being done.”

Carlson described Malone as being perhaps “the single most qualified person on planet earth to discuss this subject” given his status as the inventor of the technology behind the injections now being rolled out, and in some cases mandated, to people across the globe.

Unclear how many times this has to be posted.

Malone has done no work on the current vaccine nor does he note any difference in the mRNA spike protein and that of the native COVID-19 virus. Further, in his conclusions, he avoids a very interesting conclusion at the end of the research he cited in that tweet:

"This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury." So the research itself indicates that there is actually cyto-PROTECTIVE effects from the vaccine that prevent the underlying spike protein damage caused by the virus.

His claims to be the "inventor of the mRNA vaccine" have also been questioned by many. When pressed by one organization he reportedly responded stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented ... copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. They do not provide evidence of this so it can be discounted on that basis.

False: Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines.
It is Dr. Katalin Karikó and her collaborator Dr. Drew Weissman who are more commonly credited with laying the groundwork for mRNA vaccines.

www.logically.ai
On his website he maintains the claim and implies that he was the REAL founder but his research was largely stolen. His partner, on his website writes:

"I am in the unique position of being a witness to the events involved in how RNA vaccination was invented and developed, and how individuals at a research institution and a corporation conspired to strip a graduate student from the credit he deserved in inventing RNA and DNA vaccination/gene transfer back in 1988." It is pretty clear that the focus from the 17 page PDF shows that the focus of his work was the use of lipid nanoparticles to deliver mRNA, not directly on the use of mRNA to derive the protein components of a mRNA vaccine and consistent with helping to "create the technology platform.". There is a long discussion of abuse as a graduate student and how he consequently was diagnosed with PTSD by the university mental health clinic and never completed his PhD. There are claims of how influential his work was on the various technologies but only promises to provide evidence if requested. I can't imagine if they have hard evidence of their contribution leading to those patents that they would not have sought legal redress.

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...about+RNA+vaccination+generic+v5+June2021.pdf

He had as much to do with the development of the vaccine as Goodyear has to do with the development of the Corvette design and manufacture.