ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

danielboon

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Norway notifies Russia’s Northern Fleet of Cold Response 2022 multinational exercise
The drills will involve units of the Norwegian armed forces and about 28 NATO member states and partner countries

MOSCOW, January 13. /TASS/. The Norwegian Armed Forces Command has notified Russia’s Northern Fleet of the Cold Response 2022 multinational exercise, the Fleet’s press office reported on Thursday.
"Chief of the Norwegian Joint Headquarters Lieutenant-General Yngve Odlo acquainted Northern Fleet Commander, Hero of Russia Admiral Alexander Moiseyev with the preliminary plans of the upcoming exercise of the armed forces of the Kingdom of Norway and some other member states of the North Atlantic alliance during a planned video conference today," the press office said.
The Norwegian general assured that the armed forces of Norway (a NATO member state) strictly complied with the Vienna document on confidence-building and security measures adopted at an OSCE (Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) forum in 2011 and favored the transparency of large military drills, the statement says.
"Admiral Alexander Moiseyev thanked the Norwegian commander for the information provided and wished Norwegian counterparts the safe implementation of their military maneuvers," the press office reported.

As the Norwegian side informed, the Cold Response 2022 maneuvers will take place in March-April. The exercise will be held in several stages, with some of the episodes to be practiced in the Norwegian Sea and also on the territory of northern and central Norway.
The drills will involve units of the Norwegian armed forces and about 28 NATO member states and partner countries numbering a total of around 40,000 personnel.
 

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I received a briefing this morning from @DeptofDefense on the situation in Ukraine and, without going into the classified details, I’ll just say this: it was disturbing. 1/6
Despite the fact that Putin has fabricated this entire crisis, the world is watching the U.S. response. If Russia can just invade, without significant costs, what does that say longterm to China or any other aggressor who may test Washington’s mettle? 2/6
No one wants war with Russia. But there have to be serious consequences if one nation plans to invade another. The costs must include stinging sanctions against Putin and his closest cronies, but that’s not enough. 3/6
We need to support the Ukrainian people’s fight against Russian forces and enable them to impose military costs, while ensuring we can resupply the Ukrainians in the event of a conflict. 4/6
I have no beef with the Russian people, but if their leader is going to precipitate unprovoked aggression and invade a neighbor, they should feel the pinch as well. 5/6
The Russian oligarchs that support Putin shouldn’t be able to spend their weekends shopping in Monaco and Paris — and the Administration should go further and signal our preparedness to impose costs that cut deeper into the bone to deter invasion. 6/6
We aren't beholden to Ukraine, but we have made "promises" to Taiwan, two totally different situations.
 

CaryC

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Just as a reminder:

Having Javalin capabilities to take on Russian tanks is great. So long as there is someone to fire them.

Russia knows about the Javalin's, so they are not going to drive their tanks in there first.

Carpet bombing, artillery barrage will be first. Everybody dead, then drive the tanks in, to take and hold ground.

Remember shock and awe in Iraq, a month of bombing, and then go in.

Air superiority is a real thing, and that is what Russia has.

And owning the night. So days without a full moon, would be best.

So says the armchair ......
 

CaryC

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We aren't beholden to Ukraine, but we have made "promises" to Taiwan, two totally different situations.
As said earlier spoken promises don't mean anything either. Written ones do. I don't know if there is a written one, just saying.

And with this admin, you must consider: Does the taking of Taiwan mean it is a massive invasion, or a minor incursion. Again just saying, what has been normal in the past is more in the Abby Normal range now.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
As said earlier spoken promises don't mean anything either. Written ones do. I don't know if there is a written one, just saying.

And with this admin, you must consider: Does the taking of Taiwan mean it is a massive invasion, or a minor incursion. Again just saying, what has been normal in the past is more in the Abby Normal range now.

and written promises do?
 

CaryC

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Below is a snippet from an article over at zerohedge. The majority of the article is about finances, but this part addresses the Biden speech concerning Russia, and thought it interesting enough to share.

To be fair, nobody is talking about supply chains, except in platitudes. (“Things will resolve themselves in H2, etc.”) As I have said before, market economists and politicians are like interior designers planning new bathroom layouts to zhuzh up an old house while having no idea of how plumbing works. Smelly things ‘just disappear’ and lovely perfumed things ‘appear’ – until their zhuzhing blocks the drains and toilet, which is where we are now.

The far more significant points raised by President Biden, however, were arguably over Russia-Ukraine. This did not even get an initial headline from Bloomberg – but, trust me, many headlines are likely to follow if one follows what was and wasn’t said, including that:

  • “My guess is he will move in. He has to do something,” for those thinking this was all a bluff.
  • Russia has “overwhelming military superiority,” for those thinking the Ukrainian army might put up a fight with the aid being delivered by the UK (not Germany; and as bureaucracy slows up the Baltic states’ request to ship some of their stock of US arms to Kyiv).
  • NATO is not yet aligned in terms of its response to a Russian invasion.
  • There won’t be a military response. US Secretary of State Blinken yesterday warned Ukraine of difficult days ahead, but that it “stands with them”. He didn’t add “Just much further away.”
  • If Russia invades, its banks will not be allowed to use US dollars – so SWIFT sanctions. However, such enormous “short-term market destabilisation” is reportedly not agreed to by the EU. Could Russian energy, food, and metals be exempt, or EU-Russia trade switch to EUR, and China-Russia trade to CNY? Again, hardly the stick it seems without full global agreement.
  • “It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up fighting about what to do and not do. If they actually do what they’re capable of doing…it’s going to be a disaster for Russia.” President Biden has infamously misspoken before: he immediately clarified he was talking about the difference between a cyberattack or grey-zone attack and a military move.
Such poor communication from central banks rightly roils markets: from presidents talking about war and SWIFT, this should be even more the case – if only the financial press could understand the gravity of what is implied. Or just pay attention to it. Indeed, in a much sharper comment Biden added if Russia invades Ukraine, it will be “the most consequential thing that has happened in the world, in terms of war and peace, since WW2.” (Unless he really did mean they can invade parts of it, and the West just argues for a few weeks then moves on, which some in Ukraine are apparently interpreting Biden to have meant, despite White House press office denials.) Might that warrant a financial press headline over talk of a Fed need to “recalibrate”? Bloomberg was *still* running with “CHOPPY: Stocks Drop; Selloff Puts Nasdaq into Correction” at time of writing.

Crucially, ominous threats without equally-ominous deterrence, and flubs and/or potential nudge-nudge-wink-winks, must be seen from the eyes of Putin when coming from an administration that: started super-tough on China, but shifted to trying to rebuild bridges when things got heated; pressurizes allies like Saudi Arabia while looking the other way on Iran, even as the UAE is attacked by Houthi drones; withdrew from Afghanistan in a humiliating manner; and is ignoring North Korea, which today stated it will restart nuclear and ICBM tests to develop the power “to fight the US”. As seasoned China-watcher Bill Bishop just tweeted: ‘Is there a “Minsky Moment” concept for geopolitics? Feels like much of DC in deep denial.’

All The President's Meh | ZeroHedge

Much more finanical stuff at link.
 

CaryC

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and written promises do?
Well me and mecoastie have been in friendly discussions about this, going back to the days of Baker and his "not one inch" statement. In those discussions mecoastie has said that verbal promises don't hold water so to speak.

Written promises, more importantly, guarantees, are something that can be taken to a world court, and is what Russia is seeking from the US/NATO.

However in all truth no they don't. The well documented Chamberlain non aggression peace accord with Hitler comes to mind. And the non-aggression pact with Russia.

Hitler never intended to abide by them.

But I suspect written guarantees is something Russia sees as being able to hold the US feet to the fire. Since the written ones would be something Russia could show the world that the US in not abiding by. Apart from a war/invasion.
 

Techwreck

Veteran Member
I have to wonder what information or photographs may have been shown to our envoys regarding the Biden crime family's Ukrainian or even Russian escapades.
Didn't the Mayor of Moscow's wife write a three million dollar check to Hunter during Obummer's reign?

Blinken's clueless fecklessness and Slo Joe's allowance for partial Russian insertion could certainly be ascribed to ineptitude given their past performance, but it makes me wonder to what degree the installed president is compromised.
 

northern watch

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Below is a snippet from an article over at zerohedge. The majority of the article is about finances, but this part addresses the Biden speech concerning Russia, and thought it interesting enough to share.

To be fair, nobody is talking about supply chains, except in platitudes. (“Things will resolve themselves in H2, etc.”) As I have said before, market economists and politicians are like interior designers planning new bathroom layouts to zhuzh up an old house while having no idea of how plumbing works. Smelly things ‘just disappear’ and lovely perfumed things ‘appear’ – until their zhuzhing blocks the drains and toilet, which is where we are now.

The far more significant points raised by President Biden, however, were arguably over Russia-Ukraine. This did not even get an initial headline from Bloomberg – but, trust me, many headlines are likely to follow if one follows what was and wasn’t said, including that:

  • “My guess is he will move in. He has to do something,” for those thinking this was all a bluff.
  • Russia has “overwhelming military superiority,” for those thinking the Ukrainian army might put up a fight with the aid being delivered by the UK (not Germany; and as bureaucracy slows up the Baltic states’ request to ship some of their stock of US arms to Kyiv).
  • NATO is not yet aligned in terms of its response to a Russian invasion.
  • There won’t be a military response. US Secretary of State Blinken yesterday warned Ukraine of difficult days ahead, but that it “stands with them”. He didn’t add “Just much further away.”
  • If Russia invades, its banks will not be allowed to use US dollars – so SWIFT sanctions. However, such enormous “short-term market destabilisation” is reportedly not agreed to by the EU. Could Russian energy, food, and metals be exempt, or EU-Russia trade switch to EUR, and China-Russia trade to CNY? Again, hardly the stick it seems without full global agreement.
  • “It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up fighting about what to do and not do. If they actually do what they’re capable of doing…it’s going to be a disaster for Russia.” President Biden has infamously misspoken before: he immediately clarified he was talking about the difference between a cyberattack or grey-zone attack and a military move.
Such poor communication from central banks rightly roils markets: from presidents talking about war and SWIFT, this should be even more the case – if only the financial press could understand the gravity of what is implied. Or just pay attention to it. Indeed, in a much sharper comment Biden added if Russia invades Ukraine, it will be “the most consequential thing that has happened in the world, in terms of war and peace, since WW2.” (Unless he really did mean they can invade parts of it, and the West just argues for a few weeks then moves on, which some in Ukraine are apparently interpreting Biden to have meant, despite White House press office denials.) Might that warrant a financial press headline over talk of a Fed need to “recalibrate”? Bloomberg was *still* running with “CHOPPY: Stocks Drop; Selloff Puts Nasdaq into Correction” at time of writing.

Crucially, ominous threats without equally-ominous deterrence, and flubs and/or potential nudge-nudge-wink-winks, must be seen from the eyes of Putin when coming from an administration that: started super-tough on China, but shifted to trying to rebuild bridges when things got heated; pressurizes allies like Saudi Arabia while looking the other way on Iran, even as the UAE is attacked by Houthi drones; withdrew from Afghanistan in a humiliating manner; and is ignoring North Korea, which today stated it will restart nuclear and ICBM tests to develop the power “to fight the US”. As seasoned China-watcher Bill Bishop just tweeted: ‘Is there a “Minsky Moment” concept for geopolitics? Feels like much of DC in deep denial.’

All The President's Meh | ZeroHedge

Much more finanical stuff at link.

Germany buys its gas from Russia using SWIFT, if that is cut off, expect the Germans to carry cash / gold to Russia
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
PS:

Hope you are staying safe Oreally. What with Biden saying minor incursion would not see a major retaliation. Seems to have thrown Ukraine under the bus.
Didnt Psaki issue a statement "correcting" this? I think this was a case of Joe being at the end of his talking meds and rambling. I am just glad he didnt threaten to take Putin behind the school.
 

CaryC

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Germany buys its gas from Russia using SWIFT, if that is cut off, expect the Germans to carry cash / gold to Russia
And according to the rest of the point is not a big deal since Russia has contingency plans already in place.

f Russia invades, its banks will not be allowed to use US dollars – so SWIFT sanctions. However, such enormous “short-term market destabilisation” is reportedly not agreed to by the EU. Could Russian energy, food, and metals be exempt, or EU-Russia trade switch to EUR, and China-Russia trade to CNY? Again, hardly the stick it seems without full global agreement.
 

CaryC

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Didnt Psaki issue a statement "correcting" this? I think this was a case of Joe being at the end of his talking meds and rambling. I am just glad he didnt threaten to take Putin behind the school.
Within minutes. That is telling in itself.

However it is thought that the slip by Biden is what the strategy behind the scenes are/is. And should never have been vocalized on live TV.

Some one up thread said that, or I read it somewhere.
 

CaryC

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White House scrambles to clean up Biden gaffe that appeared to signal green light for ‘minor incursion' by Russia into Ukraine

‘MINOR INCURSION’ — MAJOR GAFFE: In his marathon news conference yesterday, President Joe Biden started out sounding tough on Vladimir Putin should the Russian president order his troops into Ukraine. “He’s never seen sanctions like the ones I promised will be imposed if he moves,” Biden said.

But then, in the next breath, Biden inexplicably seemed to signal that sanctions might not be so bad if Russia doesn’t go too far. “It depends on what it does,” he said. “It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion, and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do.”

Biden went on to say that if “they actually do what they’re capable of doing … invade Ukraine,” it would be a “disaster for Russia” with the U.S. and its allies ready to impose “severe costs and significant harm on Russia and the Russian economy.”
But by then, the “minor incursion” exception had ricocheted around the world and shocked U.S. allies in Europe. CNN’s Matthew Chance, reporting from the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv, said that officials there were aghast that Biden seemed to be giving Putin the green light for his “preferred option,” a limited military action to open a land corridor through Ukraine.

BIDEN PREDICTS RUSSIA-UKRAINE CONFLICT: ‘MINOR INCURSION’ COULD DIVIDE WESTERN ALLIES

NO SUCH THING AS A ‘MINOR INCURSION’:
Alabama Rep. Mike Rogers, the top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, was quick to pounce on Biden’s blunder in a statement released last night.

“Let’s be clear, Mr. President: an invasion of another country is an invasion. There is no such thing as a ‘minor incursion’ into another country, especially when Russia already occupies large portions of Ukraine,” Rogers said. “The Biden response has been almost as incoherent and disjointed as the remarks we heard from President Biden tonight.”

“I am very concerned by the weak, incoherent message we just heard from [Biden] on Ukraine,” tweeted Sen. Jim Inhofe, ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee. “This administration must be clear that ANY Putin move into Ukraine is unacceptable, and we should do more to impose costs on him.”

“Biden’s remarks on [Russia’s] buildup near [Ukraine] tonight were nothing short of a disaster,” tweeted Texas Rep. Michael McCaul, ranking Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “He shared the potential disunity of Western nations on tough sanctions and clearly gave Vladimir [Putin] the green light to launch a ‘minor incursion.’’’

"Hedging on the punishment Putin would face for a ‘minor’ invasion of [Ukraine] is the opposite of deterrence and is wildly dangerous.”

ZELENSKY ’DIDN’T SHY AWAY FROM ASKING FOR MORE’ FROM US, SENATOR SAYS

CLEANING UP THE MESS:
Immediately following the conclusion of the nearly two-hour news conference, the White House went into frantic cleanup mode, with press secretary Jen Psaki forced to issue a statement about what the president meant to say.

“President Biden has been clear with the Russian president: If any Russian military forces move across the Ukrainian border, that’s a renewed invasion, and it will be met with a swift, severe, and united response from the United States and our allies,” Psaki said.

The statement didn’t reference the ‘minor incursion” comment directly but implied Biden was referring to something short of military action. “President Biden also knows from long experience that the Russians have an extensive playbook of aggression short of military action, including cyberattacks and paramilitary tactics,” the statement said. “And he affirmed today that those acts of Russian aggression will be met with a decisive, reciprocal, and united response.”

White House scrambles to clean up Biden gaffe that appeared to signal green light for ‘minor incursion' by Russia into Ukraine | Washington Examiner
 

Melodi

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Within minutes. That is telling in itself.

However it is thought that the slip by Biden is what the strategy behind the scenes are/is. And should never have been vocalized on live TV.

Some one up thread said that, or I read it somewhere.
That was me and I was just speculating, but I think it is highly likely (that Biden just let slip things said in private briefings).
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Good post, Cary.

A 'minor incursion' reminds me of 'minor surgery', which as far as I'm concerned is surgery that they're doing on someone else.

But it is an unequivocal fact that the Donbass is extremely pro-Russian and anti-Kyiv, much like the breakaway Georgian republics were in 2008. Reinforcing the Donbass military would, I think, pretty much be what Bai-Den was trying to say. He essentially ceded that area to Vladimir Putin.

That was me and I was just speculating, but I think it is highly likely (that Biden just let slip things said in private briefings).
It's not the first time that Bai-Den has let his alligator mouth overload his hummingbird ass, is it?
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And just for fun:

A Two-Front War With Russia? NATO Cannot Forget About Kaliningrad


The Kaliningrad Problem Most Security Experts Forget About Is Very Real: When discussing the precipitous security situation in Eastern Europe at present, it is easy to forget that a potential Russian invasion could be a two-front war.
On one front, an attack could come along NATO’s easternmost border, especially Poland’s border with Belarus, or at one of the Baltic States; on the other, NATO could experience an equally devastating offensive from virtually inside its own house, from the heavily armed oblast of Kaliningrad.

A Russian enclave located just above Poland and just under Lithuania, the threat from Kaliningrad is more easily overlooked than Russia proper. The former capital of the Prussian Empire, it is also culturally distinct from the rest of Russia; it is common for inhabitants to commute to Poland or Lithuania to buy otherwise unavailable European products. But that is a rather benign façade for the true role of the oblast. Of late, Kaliningrad increasingly resembles an island of nuclear weapons.

Kaliningrad is home to both Russian conventional forces and nuclear-capable Iskander-M (SS-26) ballistic missiles. What Poland and Lithuania need to do in terms of coping with a two-front war is suppress any offensive capabilities from Kaliningrad. In this situation, preparedness is everything. If Poland and Lithuania are not prepared to defend their borders with Kaliningrad as quickly as their borders with Belarus, they will be caught in a vice from Russian forces moving on multiple axes.

Without the Patriot missile system, Iskander missiles will be particularly difficult to suppress. Developed as part of Moscow’s push for the modernization of Russian armed forces, they are highly accurate along with being able to carry a nuclear warhead. It is speculated that they can travel over 500 kilometers, a range that would enable them to hit any desired target in both Poland and the Baltics.

The Iskanders are not the only threat from the oblast. A large contingent of Russian warships is stationed at Kaliningrad, and fighter jets capable of carrying air-launched cruise missiles (ACLMs) are also likely based there. The density of the concentration of this equipment speaks volumes about the preparedness of the Russian military to initiate an invasion of one or more NATO countries in the region, as well as the ease with which Western forces could be overwhelmed in that event.

At the same time, the weapons in Kaliningrad serve a much less strategic purpose than those inside Russia. Kaliningrad is so small that it would be somewhat impractical to mount a defense specifically to counter its weapons. What is equally true for both the eastern and western sides is that it is better to suppress those capabilities at the border rather than try to preemptively neutralize them inside Russia. It is paramount to avoid any situation that would cause decision-makers in the Russian military to conclude there is no other option than the nuclear one.

This makes it imperative that Poland and Lithuania acquire measures to counter these missiles as soon as possible. Poland is acquiring long-range Patriot missiles from the United States, the only system that can reasonably neutralize Iskanders. The first parts of the Patriot system were set to arrive in Poland in early 2021 and the next stages are scheduled to begin this year.

Poland has also purchased the formidable F-35 fighter jet from the United States in a bid to gain a sizable advantage over Russian aircraft. The F-35’s superior intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance capabilities and ability to remain nearly invisible to enemy radar while in operation have made it a highly sought-after fighter among U.S. allies.

Poland has also sought to acquire M1 Abrams tanks from the United States, which would increase existing deterrence against a Russian ground invasion, especially on the Poland-Belarus border. However, none of the F-35s on order by Warsaw are operational in Poland, and no Abrams tanks are scheduled to arrive there until later this year. Like the Patriot system, completion of the delivery needs to be prioritized in the face of the escalating Russian threat coming from both directions.

In the case of Lithuania, it would be a mistake not to equip them with the same missiles. In 2018 Vilnius asked the U.S. to permanently deploy both Patriot missiles and short-range Avenger missiles, but Lithuania and the other Baltic countries lack the ability to afford these expenditures and are reliant on the U.S. and NATO to fulfill these requests. Up to this point, the U.S. and NATO have been reluctant to deploy permanent forces in the Baltics out of concern it could be seen as an aggressive posture to Russia.

This is not to say the Baltics are unguarded. While the presence of NATO forces there has never been permanent, it has been consistent in the last few years. It describes its current enhanced forward presence in the region as consisting of “four multinational battalion-size battlegroups in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland, on a rotational basis.” These battlegroups are led by the United Kingdom, Canada, Germany, and the United States, respectively.

At the same time, Poland does not have the full components of the missiles it needs to have a chance of countering Iskanders, and none of the Baltic countries has received defensive weapons systems from NATO at all. This is a weakness to NATO as a whole, because while the most vulnerable countries on the frontline with Russia may not be able to afford cutting-edge weapons systems to counter an attack, every NATO country in Europe would suffer from the consequences of a successful Russian invasion.

A Two-Front War With Russia? NATO Cannot Forget About Kaliningrad | RealClearDefense
 

Sid Vicious

Veteran Member
The Ukrainian military isn't the same as in 2014. I wouldn't write them off quite yet. They have been training, expanding and digging in for this for years. I think the real worry will happen when Russia gets bogged down on their run to Kyiv. IMO they don't have the logistics to hold the capital and they run a serious risk of being enveloped and trapped. You also need to think of how the people will react on all sides. What if Russia loses this army and face on the world stage? How will their people react when they start getting notified that their family member died in a pointless war? Meanwhile Ukraine knows this is a fight for survival and their backs are up against the wall.

One thing the Ukrainians have been doing over the past couple of years is buying drones. It should be interesting to see if Russian doctrine falls apart. Drones have come a long way in the past few years. I could build my own swarm with basic AI enough to distinguish between trucks, tanks, cars and the different colors. One only needs some HE, basic drone parts, and a raspberry pi these days to build their own.
 

CaryC

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Poland has also sought to acquire M1 Abrams tanks from the United States, which would increase existing deterrence against a Russian ground invasion, especially on the Poland-Belarus border. However, none of the F-35s on order by Warsaw are operational in Poland, and no Abrams tanks are scheduled to arrive there until later this year. Like the Patriot system, completion of the delivery needs to be prioritized in the face of the escalating Russian threat coming from both directions.
If anyone is wondering, why is Russia doing this now? The above along with a weak President, who doesn't know what to say on live TV, may be the answer.

They have a small window within to act.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Ask the Sioux and the Cheyenne and the Cherokee and hundreds of other tribes how those written promises worked for them? Promises not worth the paper they were written on, and we have become much less honorable since.
Seeker, you just reminded me of that recent Land O' Lakes logo change. First thing I thought when I looked at it on a carton of butter was: Typical White Man Treatment Again - got rid of the Indian but kept the land.

And this from an easily-sunburned white boy.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Russia announces sweeping naval drills amid Ukraine tensions
Russia has announced sweeping naval drills in several parts of the world this month, and claims the West is plotting “provocations” in neighboring Ukraine where the Kremlin has been accused of planning aggressive military action
By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV Associated Press
20 January 2022, 10:35

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Diplomatic window narrows to resolve crisis in Ukraine

MOSCOW -- Russia on Thursday announced sweeping naval drills in several parts of the world this month, and claimed the West is plotting “provocations” in neighboring Ukraine where the Kremlin has been accused of planning aggressive military action.

Amid a buildup of an estimated 100,000 Russian troops near the border with Ukraine and massive joint war games with Belarus, the Defense Ministry said it will also conduct maneuvers involving the bulk of Russia’s naval potential.

“The drills are intended to practice navy and air force action to protect Russian national interests in the world’s oceans and to counter military threats to the Russian Federation,” the ministry said, adding that they will start this month and run through February.

It said the exercise will involve over 140 warships and more than 60 aircraft, and will be conducted in both littoral waters and more distant "operationally important” areas including the Mediterranean, northeastern Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean.

The ministry said several Russian warships are currently taking part in a joint exercise with China and Iran in the Gulf of Oman that began Tuesday and will last until the weekend.

U.S. President Joe Biden said Wednesday he thinks Russia will invade Ukraine and warned President Vladimir Putin that his country would pay a “dear price” in lives lost and a possible cutoff from the global banking system if it does.

Moscow has repeatedly denied having plans to launch an offensive. But it has sought a set of security guarantees from the West that would exclude NATO’s expansion to Ukraine and other ex-Soviet nations and the deployment of alliance weapons there.

Washington and its allies firmly rejected Moscow’s demands in security talks last week but kept the door open to possible further talks on arms control and confidence-building measures to reduce the potential for hostilities.

Amid the tensions, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken visited Ukraine Wednesday to reassure it of Western support and met with his British, French and German counterparts in Berlin on Thursday to discuss Ukraine and other security matters. Blinken is set to meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Geneva on Friday.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova alleged that Ukrainian and Western claims of an imminent Russian attack on Ukraine were a “cover for staging large-scale provocations of their own, including those of military character.”

“They may have extremely tragic consequences for the regional and global security,” Zakharova said.

She pointed to the delivery of weapons to Ukraine by British military transport planes in recent days, claiming that Ukraine perceives Western military assistance as a “carte blanche for a military operation in Donbas.”

Donbas, located in eastern Ukraine, is under control of Russia-backed separatists who have fought Ukrainian forces for nearly eight years, a conflict that has killed more than 14,000 people.

Ukraine said earlier this week that it has taken the delivery of anti-tank missiles from the U.K. It has rejected Moscow’s claims that it plans an offensive to reclaim control of separatist-held areas in the country’s eastern industrial heartland.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the U.S. threat to cut off Russia from the global banking system could encourage hawkish forces in Ukraine to use force to reclaim control of the rebel east.

“It may implant false hopes in the hotheads of some representatives of the Ukrainian leadership who may decide to quietly restart a civil war in their country,” Peskov said in a conference call with reporters.

In a move that further beefs up forces near Ukraine, Russia has sent an unspecified number of troops from its far east to its ally Belarus, which shares a border with Ukraine, for major war games that run through February 20. Ukrainian officials have said Moscow could use Belarusian territory to launch a potential multi-pronged invasion.

The head of the European Union’s executive arm, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen reiterated Thursday that the EU “will respond with massive economic and financial sanctions” if Russia invades Ukraine. “We hope an attack won’t happen, but if it does, we are prepared,” von der Leyen said during an online speech to the Davos business forum.

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Vanessa Gera in Warsaw, Poland, and Lorne Cook in Brussels, contributed to this report.

Russia announces sweeping naval drills amid Ukraine tensions - ABC News (go.com)
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Canada agency says Russian-backed actors targeting infrastructure
Reuters
January 20, 202210:07 AM EST
Last Updated 27 minutes ago

OTTAWA, January 20 2022 (Reuters) - Network operators of critical Canadian infrastructure should boost their defenses against Russian state-sponsored threats, Canada's signals intelligence agency said on Thursday.

The warning from the Communications Security Establishment (CSE) is the latest in a series of bulletins from Canada's two main spy agencies accusing Russian actors of trying to hack into sensitive computer systems.


"(CSE) encourages the Canadian cyber-security community —especially critical infrastructure network defenders — to bolster their awareness of and protection against Russian state-sponsored cyber threats," it said in a statement.

Russian actors and others are targeting critical infrastructure network operators as well as their operational and information technology, it added.

Operators should be prepared to isolate components and services that "would be considered attractive to a hostile threat actor to disrupt" and boost vigilance, CSE said.

Canada has had poor relations with Russia since the annexation of Crimea in 2014.

Ottawa fears armed conflict could break out in Ukraine and is working with allies to make clear to Russia that any further aggression towards Kiev is unacceptable, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Wednesday. read more

Reporting by David Ljunggren; Editing by Bernadette Baum

Canada agency says Russian-backed actors targeting infrastructure | Reuters
 

mecoastie

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The Ukrainian military isn't the same as in 2014. I wouldn't write them off quite yet. They have been training, expanding and digging in for this for years. I think the real worry will happen when Russia gets bogged down on their run to Kyiv. IMO they don't have the logistics to hold the capital and they run a serious risk of being enveloped and trapped. You also need to think of how the people will react on all sides. What if Russia loses this army and face on the world stage? How will their people react when they start getting notified that their family member died in a pointless war? Meanwhile Ukraine knows this is a fight for survival and their backs are up against the wall.

One thing the Ukrainians have been doing over the past couple of years is buying drones. It should be interesting to see if Russian doctrine falls apart. Drones have come a long way in the past few years. I could build my own swarm with basic AI enough to distinguish between trucks, tanks, cars and the different colors. One only needs some HE, basic drone parts, and a raspberry pi these days to build their own.
THis is why I dont see Russia waiting. With the UK, US and who knows who else dumping armaments into the Ukraine Putin, if he is going to, needs to move. The one huge benefit he has is air power. He will easily control the air unless NATO intervens. Controlling the air means victory.
 

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What a great interview, Savannah Guthrie didn't take any shit and watching VP Harris trying to maintain her composure was priceless...
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“If Russia takes aggressive action, it will be met with severe costs.” Watch @SavannahGuthrie’s full interview with @VP Kamala Harris on Russia-Ukraine tensions and voting rights legislation.
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1484213305208197124?cxt=HHwWiMC-veWI_pgpAAAA
 
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